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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

Oh, no wonder, ATI amps tongue.gif

Just having some fun smile.gif

- Rich
I was going to infer the ATI/ Levinson relation. wink.gif

But I went the politically correct route instead. biggrin.gif
post #4922 of 6814
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Originally Posted by Thxtheater View Post

But man, salons and Levinson vs. iPod Hi-Fi. Hmmm. smile.gif

Yeah, not quite in the same galaxy, is it? biggrin.gif
post #4923 of 6814
Just a self-indulgent, fanboy post here.
The more I listen to my system the more I love it.

No regrets on the Studio2s.

Mulling over selling my Emo XPA-1Ls and getting the Gen2 XPA-1s.
Not sure why as the 1Ls drive the speakers just fine.

The male "More Power" syndrome no doubt.
post #4924 of 6814
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

Just a self-indulgent, fanboy post here.
The more I listen to my system the more I love it.

No regrets on the Studio2s.

Mulling over selling my Emo XPA-1Ls and getting the Gen2 XPA-1s.
Not sure why as the 1Ls drive the speakers just fine.

The male "More Power" syndrome no doubt.



Nothing wrong with this post and I fully understand. There's nothing like a little more headroom Milt.
post #4925 of 6814
True, but I like the smaller form factor of the 1Ls, one of the main reasons I bought them.
Plus the XPA-1s are gonna be 60 watts class A, i.e., H-O-T.

A couple friends were over last weekend for a listen and one of them commented that the Studio2s were not as large as he thought they'd be.
I think the slim profile keeps them from having an imposing presence.
post #4926 of 6814
You would be in class A most of the time then.
post #4927 of 6814
Certainly not the bargain that the Emo's are, but I love the Halo A51 with my Salons.
Are the XPA-1 gen 2 mono blocks available ?

I did not see them in the Emo site.

- Rich
post #4928 of 6814
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

Just a self-indulgent, fanboy post here.
The more I listen to my system the more I love it.

No regrets on the Studio2s.

Mulling over selling my Emo XPA-1Ls and getting the Gen2 XPA-1s.
Not sure why as the 1Ls drive the speakers just fine.

The male "More Power" syndrome no doubt.

Hey Milt,

Do you notice any difference between the XPA-1Ls in pure Class A mode vs. Class AB running the Studio2s? I haven't had a chance to sample a pure Class A amp and I'm curious if you notice any difference at all.

Thanks,
Theo
post #4929 of 6814
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

Certainly not the bargain that the Emo's are, but I love the Halo A51 with my Salons.
Are the XPA-1 gen 2 mono blocks available ?

I did not see them in the Emo site.

- Rich

Rich,

I didn't see them either. Looks like they just released the Gen2 XPA-3. Now the 2, 3, and 5 are all Gen2.
post #4930 of 6814
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Originally Posted by Thxtheater View Post

Rich,

I didn't see them either. Looks like they just released the Gen2 XPA-3. Now the 2, 3, and 5 are all Gen2.

Milt, to my post about Class A. My understanding is that you have a choice of running the XPA-1L in either Class A up to the first 35 watts then Class A/B or to simply run the amps in Class A/B all the time. I'm curious if you notice any difference if you run it in the Class A mode vs. just keeping it in Class A/B all the time.

Thanks,
Theo
post #4931 of 6814
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Originally Posted by Thxtheater View Post

Milt, to my post about Class A. My understanding is that you have a choice of running the XPA-1L in either Class A up to the first 35 watts then Class A/B or to simply run the amps in Class A/B all the time. I'm curious if you notice any difference if you run it in the Class A mode vs. just keeping it in Class A/B all the time.

Thanks,
Theo

Me too. Inquiring minds want to know smile.gif

- Rich
post #4932 of 6814
Class A vs. Class A/B.

Couldn't really say as I haven't left the amps in A\B mode and listened for more than a few minutes when I first got them.
As close as I can say is that I can't tell if or when they've switched from Class A to A/B when exceeding 35 watts.
I can say they draw significantly more amps and watts at idle in A than in A/B. Can't remember exactly but class A was like 3+ amps and 200+ watts from the wall.

There are so many factors with the main one being, imo, what type of music is being played and how good the recording\mastering etc.

I believe that any well-designed, operating to spec amp will not make a large difference PROVIDED it has enough power in all that entails to drive a particular speaker at a real world SPLs.

For the first couple of months I had my current system, I would perk up when something I was listening to had a "flaw", thinking crap my system is lacking here.
I learned that the system was only revealing the source, warts and all.
Put on a better recording and voila, all better.

I really doubt that I will sell my current amps and buy the XPA-1s.
There are other things I could spend my money on that will yield a better return and more powerful amps would be at or near the bottom of that list.
But then again if people only bought what they needed, we wouldn't be having this conversation and AVS forum wouldn't exist wink.gif

As far as the Gen 2 XPA-1, it's been announced and there are pics of it on the Emotiva forum.
I haven't seen or heard of a release date but I don't follow it that close.
They'll likely announce when the container ship sets sail.
Edited by Milt99 - 9/21/13 at 3:20pm
post #4933 of 6814
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

Class A vs. Class A/B.

Couldn't really say as I haven't left the amps in A\B mode and listened for more than a few minutes when I first got them.
As close as I can say is that I can't tell if or when they've switched from Class A to A/B when exceeding 35 watts.
I can say they draw significantly more amps and watts at idle in A than in A/B. Can't remember exactly but class A was like 3+ amps and 200+ watts from the wall.

There are so many factors with the main one being, imo, what type of music is being played and how good the recording\mastering etc.

I believe that any well-designed, operating to spec amp will not make a large difference PROVIDED it has enough power in all that entails to drive a particular speaker at a real world SPLs.

For the first couple of months I had my current system, I would perk up when something I was listening to had a "flaw", thinking crap my system is lacking here.
I learned that the system was only revealing the source, warts and all.
Put on a better recording and voila, all better.

I really doubt that I will sell my current amps and buy the XPA-1s.
There are other things I could spend my money on that will yield a better return and more powerful amps would be at or near the bottom of that list.
But then again if people only bought what they needed, we wouldn't be having this conversation and AVS forum wouldn't exist wink.gif

As far as the Gen 2 XPA-1, it's been announced and there are pics of it on the Emotiva forum.
I haven't seen or heard of a release date but I don't follow it that close.
They'll likely announce when the container ship sets sail.



Very good post and a lot of truths in there. Any good amp should just amplify without adding any color or whatever, much more important IMO is what is up and down stream. Not to say our amps are not important, they are. Even a good pro amp will do a good job, they're just fugly.
post #4934 of 6814
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

a good pro amp will do a good job, they're just fugly.
And many times loud(fans).
I have a pro-amp driving my subs in the theater room and with the low noise floor in there, the fan noise sticks out and I replaced them with uber quiet ones.
As long as there is fan-driven air moving through a duct, there's noise.
I should be looking at a quiet amp(s) to drive the subs.
post #4935 of 6814
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

And many times loud(fans).
I have a pro-amp driving my subs in the theater room and with the low noise floor in there, the fan noise sticks out and I replaced them with uber quiet ones.
As long as there is fan-driven air moving through a duct, there's noise.
I should be looking at a quiet amp(s) to drive the subs.



Gotcha, if I asked before I apologize but what kind of subs Milt?
post #4936 of 6814
Milt...just go to the XPR-1s and be done with it. You won't regret it. wink.gif
post #4937 of 6814
SVS CS-Ultras. !2" cylinder subs.
They're an older model. I'm sure they don't make'em any longer I think they've gone to a 13" driver.

Esox50,
I knew you or one of the other XPR guys would chime in:)

Not a bad idea, I've heard the XPR-1s, very nice.
Right now, my system sounds beautiful and I need to allocate my meager funds elsewhere.
post #4938 of 6814
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

SVS CS-Ultras. !2" cylinder subs.
They're an older model. I'm sure they don't make'em any longer I think they've gone to a 13" driver.

Esox50,
I knew you or one of the other XPR guys would chime in:)

Not a bad idea, I've heard the XPR-1s, very nice.
Right now, my system sounds beautiful and I need to allocate my meager funds elsewhere.



Good brand and I bet they sound good.
post #4939 of 6814
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

Certainly not the bargain that the Emo's are, but I love the Halo A51 with my Salons.
Are the XPA-1 gen 2 mono blocks available ?

I did not see them in the Emo site.

- Rich

I would be happy with the Halo too.

If you want power, might as well keep it in the Harman family and get a $600 2,400Watts-4 ohms-bridged Harman Crown XLS 2500 amp that is both quiet and cool. But you don't. biggrin.gif

I've driven the Salon2 w/ dual Crown XLS 2500 before. Never even heard any fan noise or any kind of noise from 1 ft away.
Edited by AcuDefTechGuy - 9/22/13 at 7:45pm
post #4940 of 6814
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

Class A vs. Class A/B.

Couldn't really say as I haven't left the amps in A\B mode and listened for more than a few minutes when I first got them.
As close as I can say is that I can't tell if or when they've switched from Class A to A/B when exceeding 35 watts.
I can say they draw significantly more amps and watts at idle in A than in A/B. Can't remember exactly but class A was like 3+ amps and 200+ watts from the wall.

There are so many factors with the main one being, imo, what type of music is being played and how good the recording\mastering etc.

I believe that any well-designed, operating to spec amp will not make a large difference PROVIDED it has enough power in all that entails to drive a particular speaker at a real world SPLs.

For the first couple of months I had my current system, I would perk up when something I was listening to had a "flaw", thinking crap my system is lacking here.
I learned that the system was only revealing the source, warts and all.
Put on a better recording and voila, all better.

I really doubt that I will sell my current amps and buy the XPA-1s.
There are other things I could spend my money on that will yield a better return and more powerful amps would be at or near the bottom of that list.
But then again if people only bought what they needed, we wouldn't be having this conversation and AVS forum wouldn't exist wink.gif

As far as the Gen 2 XPA-1, it's been announced and there are pics of it on the Emotiva forum.
I haven't seen or heard of a release date but I don't follow it that close.
They'll likely announce when the container ship sets sail.

Hey Milt I don't suppose you'd mind doing some anecdotal listening? Would you mind listening with the amp in class A turned on and then again with it turned off. I'm darn curious if you can hear any differences between the two modes. I know that the class a mode transitions to class AB. I'm not concerned about that. I'm more curious about the differences between the modes (if any).

I know it may cost you a few more pennies to do that But think of it as a contribution to your Revel brethren. smile.gif
post #4941 of 6814
It wouldn't cost me a cent actually, I leave them on all the time.
Probably foolish but....
post #4942 of 6814
Hey guys, a good friend of mine auditioned the F208 against the B&W CM10 and liked the F208 a bit better. I am not looking for B&W vs. Revel opinions but rather can you tell me more about the F208 and how it compares to the F206 and the rest of the Revel lineup. My friend is looking to start with two channel as the foundation and eventually build a home theater. Thanks for your help.
post #4943 of 6814
Well the F208 is the top dog in the Performa3 lineup. The Performa3 is the younger brother of the Ultima2 line and bigger brother to the Concerta2 line. The new F208 is so good it's been compared to the Studio2s in terms of sound quality and even besting it,some say, in fit and finish at roughly a quarter of the price. If your friend likes the F208 then it is one heck of a speaker set to build upon. As far as how it stacks against the F206, they should be very similar sounding, but the F208 will dig deeper than the F206 when run full range. If he/she has a good sub, the difference will be moot since he/she should be running them small and crossing the lower frequencies to the sub.
post #4944 of 6814
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post


Yes, welcome to the Revel Yo-Yo Ma Plays Ennio Morricone club. wink.gifbiggrin.gif


Thanks. It's a great club to be in. biggrin.gif

I've been listening to this CD non-stop since I've bought it. Makes me rather unproductive I must say.
post #4945 of 6814
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Originally Posted by duc135 View Post

Thanks. It's a great club to be in. biggrin.gif

I've been listening to this CD non-stop since I've bought it. Makes me rather unproductive I must say.

Ha ha. Welcome to the club. I'm listening to it right now. Bliss. Just bliss.
post #4946 of 6814
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Originally Posted by BVLDARI View Post

Hey guys, a good friend of mine auditioned the F208 against the B&W CM10 and liked the F208 a bit better. I am not looking for B&W vs. Revel opinions but rather can you tell me more about the F208 and how it compares to the F206 and the rest of the Revel lineup. My friend is looking to start with two channel as the foundation and eventually build a home theater. Thanks for your help.

If they are serious about a two channel system and two channel meaning purist with no-sub, then I'd strongly suggest the 208 if budget allows. There's something magical about a truly full-range speaker running in all its glory.
post #4947 of 6814
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Originally Posted by duc135 View Post

Thanks. It's a great club to be in. biggrin.gif

I've been listening to this CD non-stop since I've bought it. Makes me rather unproductive I must say.

I'm listening to it right now at work (in the hospital) on repeat mode via Bluetooth/iPhone. biggrin.gif

It's THERAPEUTIC. biggrin.gif

It sooths, calms, and inspires me. smile.gif
post #4948 of 6814
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Originally Posted by BVLDARI View Post

Hey guys, a good friend of mine auditioned the F208 against the B&W CM10 and liked the F208 a bit better. I am not looking for B&W vs. Revel opinions but rather can you tell me more about the F208 and how it compares to the F206 and the rest of the Revel lineup. My friend is looking to start with two channel as the foundation and eventually build a home theater. Thanks for your help.

So you own the B&W 802D2, and your buddy prefers Revel over B&W? Ouch. How does that feel? wink.gifbiggrin.gif

Well, I respect everyone's opinions as always.

It's no surprise that some guys PREFER towers over bookshelf/subs and vice versa.

I actually prefer bookshelf + lots of subs. eek.gifbiggrin.gif

Like the Revel bookshelf.

So I think get the smaller Revel and allocate the budget for subs.

You knew there would be multiple differing and opposing opinions, right? biggrin.gif

Of course, if his budget were bigger or unlimited, I'd say get seven Revel Salon2s + seven Rhythm2 subs. biggrin.gif
post #4949 of 6814
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

So you own the B&W 802D2, and your buddy prefers Revel over B&W? Ouch. How does that feel? wink.gifbiggrin.gif

Well, I respect everyone's opinions as always.

It's no surprise that some guys PREFER towers over bookshelf/subs and vice versa.

I actually prefer bookshelf + lots of subs. eek.gifbiggrin.gif

Like the Revel bookshelf.

So I think get the smaller Revel and allocate the budget for subs.

You knew there would be multiple differing and opposing opinions, right? biggrin.gif

Of course, if his budget were bigger or unlimited, I'd say get seven Revel Salon2s + seven Rhythm2 subs. biggrin.gif

LOL, it's actually a female friend of mine smile.gif – probably one of the few that enjoys this hobby.

And it feels great because everyone is free to make their decisions and if that's what they like then that's all that matters. I also happened to love Revels but love the B&Ws a little bit more. Furthermore, if I was ever fortunate enough to be able to build a second system it will very likely be a Revel system.

Since I am not familiar with the Revel line as much as I am with B&W I was hoping that people can chime in with the differences. My understanding is that my friends speaker budget is no larger than the F208s cost. I am struggling with suggesting the F206 and a sub or get F208 w/o a sub and add that later. For music I love listening to pure 2.0 but also really enjoy the flexibility you get with having a sub that you can crank up if you want.

So any opinions between the revel line of speakers would be appreciated. Thanks.
post #4950 of 6814
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Originally Posted by duc135 View Post

Well the F208 is the top dog in the Performa3 lineup. The Performa3 is the younger brother of the Ultima2 line and bigger brother to the Concerta2 line. The new F208 is so good it's been compared to the Studio2s in terms of sound quality and even besting it,some say, in fit and finish at roughly a quarter of the price. If your friend likes the F208 then it is one heck of a speaker set to build upon. As far as how it stacks against the F206, they should be very similar sounding, but the F208 will dig deeper than the F206 when run full range. If he/she has a good sub, the difference will be moot since he/she should be running them small and crossing the lower frequencies to the sub.

Interesting observation and good to know.
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Originally Posted by Thxtheater View Post

If they are serious about a two channel system and two channel meaning purist with no-sub, then I'd strongly suggest the 208 if budget allows. There's something magical about a truly full-range speaker running in all its glory.

I don't disagree. But if one has a limited budget, I wonder if getting a pair of F206 AND a sub would be a better long term play...
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