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post #5671 of 6860
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

I would never pay that kind of money for a replacement tweeter. I'd look on eBay or scour the internet and find one. Or find out who makes the tweeters for Revel and contact them, if possible. I'm assuming Revel doesn't make their own tweeters. I wouldn't think you need to replace both if the replacement is the exact same one.
You're not going to get around buying a tweeter through Revel or a dealer, unless you buy a speaker with the tweeter already in it.
post #5672 of 6860
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

You're not going to get around buying a tweeter through Revel or a dealer, unless you buy a speaker with the tweeter already in it.



Probably not, but I'd at least try to get it cheaper than 6 bills. Maybe not possible but I'd give it a shot. Maybe a damaged center speaker or surround on eBay, if time is not a factor.
post #5673 of 6860
Shawn,

If the dents are sharp like from a screwdriver or ballpoint pen I doubt you will be able to repair the dome. If they are soft dents like those made from a finger tip, you stand a good chance.

The safest way I can think of is to use vacuum. It might be difficult to find a small vacuum pump with the right suction cup interface. The auto stores have valve lappers for around $8-10 that are lock on to the outside face of a valve for lapping them into the cylinder head seat. You can wet the suction cup, push it all the way onto the tweeter cone and possibly pull it out to the correct shape. They do lock on with plenty of vacuum grip. You will have to carefully lift the edge of the suction cup to break the vacuum seal when you are done or you will pull the dome right off of the driver. I would apply the pulling force slowly and carefully.

I do not know if you can get the suction cup through the waveguide. I do not know if the two guide wires are molded in or snap in. The techs at Revel might help you there.

If you want to test it before you do this, you could run a test CD with high frequency sweep tones. If they are soft dents, the driver is probably OK.

D
post #5674 of 6860
It's been a while since I demoed the F206 and F208. I left away feeling that the F206 might be better for me. I want to eventually go with DSX or NEO X so I think F206's are the option for me over the F208's due to space and cost. I have a HGS-18 so have more bass isn't much concern is that's mainly what the F208 will provide.

Thoughts? Anyone here using DSX or NEO X with their Revel's?
post #5675 of 6860
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Originally Posted by truwarrior22 View Post

It's been a while since I demoed the F206 and F208. I left away feeling that the F206 might be better for me. I want to eventually go with DSX or NEO X so I think F206's are the option for me over the F208's due to space and cost. I have a HGS-18 so have more bass isn't much concern is that's mainly what the F208 will provide.

I agree that if you use great subs, you don't need to get towers with bigger bass.
post #5676 of 6860
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

I agree that if you use great subs, you don't need to get towers with bigger bass.

True, so I got that covered, just hate starting over again. lol I have a whole 7 channel Def Tech setup and curious again now lol Think I might wait to find the first pair of F206's used so I can resell them if I enjoy the Def Tech more..
post #5677 of 6860
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Originally Posted by truwarrior22 View Post

True, so I got that covered, just hate starting over again. lol I have a whole 7 channel Def Tech setup and curious again now lol Think I might wait to find the first pair of F206's used so I can resell them if I enjoy the Def Tech more..



Dump the DT's and come over to the dark side biggrin.gif
Seriously I'm sure the DT's sound good but I think if you go with the Performa3 line you would be selling the DT's wink.gif
post #5678 of 6860
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Originally Posted by truwarrior22 View Post

True, so I got that covered, just hate starting over again. lol I have a whole 7 channel Def Tech setup and curious again now lol Think I might wait to find the first pair of F206's used so I can resell them if I enjoy the Def Tech more..

You know I've been there, done it. biggrin.gif

Had BP7000SC for fronts, CLR3000 center, BP7001SC surrounds, SM450 rears, Trinity sub.

I still think DT sound great as long as you cut back the bass and just let some great subs play the bass. I think the issue is that people feel they have to let the towers play a lot of bass since the towers have built-in subs. Just let the external dedicated subs handle the deep bass. Leave the built-in subs alone. biggrin.gif
post #5679 of 6860
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

I would never pay that kind of money for a replacement tweeter. I'd look on eBay or scour the internet and find one. Or find out who makes the tweeters for Revel and contact them, if possible. I'm assuming Revel doesn't make their own tweeters. I wouldn't think you need to replace both if the replacement is the exact same one.

i cant find any manufacturer info for the tweeter. i know the original ultima was made by scanspeak but revel told me over the phone the ultima 2 was different.
post #5680 of 6860
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Originally Posted by dsonic View Post

Shawn,

If the dents are sharp like from a screwdriver or ballpoint pen I doubt you will be able to repair the dome. If they are soft dents like those made from a finger tip, you stand a good chance.

The safest way I can think of is to use vacuum. It might be difficult to find a small vacuum pump with the right suction cup interface. The auto stores have valve lappers for around $8-10 that are lock on to the outside face of a valve for lapping them into the cylinder head seat. You can wet the suction cup, push it all the way onto the tweeter cone and possibly pull it out to the correct shape. They do lock on with plenty of vacuum grip. You will have to carefully lift the edge of the suction cup to break the vacuum seal when you are done or you will pull the dome right off of the driver. I would apply the pulling force slowly and carefully.

I do not know if you can get the suction cup through the waveguide. I do not know if the two guide wires are molded in or snap in. The techs at Revel might help you there.

If you want to test it before you do this, you could run a test CD with high frequency sweep tones. If they are soft dents, the driver is probably OK.

D

yeah i may try this but am afraid of damaging it further. revel told me that the wires are just plug/unplug and no soldering involved for the tweeter.
post #5681 of 6860
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Probably not, but I'd at least try to get it cheaper than 6 bills. Maybe not possible but I'd give it a shot. Maybe a damaged center speaker or surround on eBay, if time is not a factor.

if anyone here has an extra tweeter new or used i would buy it from them.
post #5682 of 6860
Also what size amplifier is recommended to power the studio2? i would like to have a 3 channel amplifier but two or mono will work. i posted this elsewhere but i do not buy into the high end amplifier argument. i will be happy with an amplifier along the lines of emotiva or similar. just something that provides good clean power.

i have found no power handling specs for the studio 2

would the xpa-2 from emotiva be strong enough to drive these speakers and high levels? i see the studio 2 are 6ohm speakers does that mean this amplifier will be providing around 400 watts at 6 ohm?

any suggestions on an amplifier from about 500-1500 to power the studio 2 pair and also to power a center channel in the future?

thanks for the replies.
post #5683 of 6860
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Originally Posted by shawn784 View Post

Also what size amplifier is recommended to power the studio2? i would like to have a 3 channel amplifier but two or mono will work. i posted this elsewhere but i do not buy into the high end amplifier argument. i will be happy with an amplifier along the lines of emotiva or similar. just something that provides good clean power.

i have found no power handling specs for the studio 2

would the xpa-2 from emotiva be strong enough to drive these speakers and high levels? i see the studio 2 are 6ohm speakers does that mean this amplifier will be providing around 400 watts at 6 ohm?

any suggestions on an amplifier from about 500-1500 to power the studio 2 pair and also to power a center channel in the future?

thanks for the replies.

EMO is fine.

But keeping it in the "family" with a $300 Harman Crown XLS 1500 (300 watts per channel at 8 ohms, 525 watts per channel at 4 ohms) stereo amp would be just fine too.

A Harman International amp engineer wearing a Mark Levinson shirt will tell you that the Crown amps sound as good as Mark Levinson & Lexicon amps. biggrin.gif
post #5684 of 6860
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

EMO is fine.

But keeping it in the "family" with a $300 Harman Crown XLS 1500 (300 watts per channel at 8 ohms, 525 watts per channel at 4 ohms) stereo amp would be just fine too.

A Harman International amp engineer wearing a Mark Levinson shirt will tell you that the Crown amps sound as good as Mark Levinson & Lexicon amps. biggrin.gif

but what size amplifier is the best match for the studio 2?

i dont want the amplifier to have to work very hard.

what size amp are most people pairing with the studio 2?
post #5685 of 6860
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Originally Posted by shawn784 View Post

i cant find any manufacturer info for the tweeter. i know the original ultima was made by scanspeak but revel told me over the phone the ultima 2 was different.



The original Ultima tweeter was aluminum yours are Be. After looking into this a little more your in a tough spot. Listen to the other guys over me and dsonic is an authorized Revel dealer, I would reach out to him. Someone has one somewhere for you, if you can place a wanted ad in the classifieds I'd do that too. Can you post a pic of the teeeter?
Edited by comfynumb - 12/10/13 at 11:02am
post #5686 of 6860
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Originally Posted by shawn784 View Post

but what size amplifier is the best match for the studio 2?

i dont want the amplifier to have to work very hard.

what size amp are most people pairing with the studio 2?

200-300 WPC into 8 ohms.

I use a 300WPC into 8 ohms amp for my Salon2.

Stereophile: Studio2 sensitivity is 89dB(B)/2.83V/m. Impedance ranges between 4 and 6 ohms for much of the audio band, with a minimum value of 3.6 ohms at 338Hz. There is a demanding combination of 5.5 ohms and –44° electrical phase angle at 23Hz.

If your total PEAK volume in 2.0 Direct mode (no subwoofers) is 105dB from just 2 speakers and your listening distance is 10ft (3m), then it would require 180W into 8 ohms and 360W into 4 ohms.

As you can see, the $300 Harman Crown amp can output 300W into 8 ohms and 525W into 4 ohms, which is more than enough if your peak volume is 105dB and distance is 10ft.

If your distance is 12ft (3.6m), then it would require 259W into 8 ohms & 518W into 4 ohms. The $300 Crown amp is still good here.

So the question is, what is your total PEAK volume and how far do you listen?
Edited by AcuDefTechGuy - 12/10/13 at 11:05am
post #5687 of 6860
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

200-300 WPC into 8 ohms.

I use a 300WPC into 8 ohms amp for my Salon2.

i would think both studio 2 and salon 2 can handle more power than that.

what is your listening level? i dont listen extremely loud usually, but may on occasion turn it up.
post #5688 of 6860
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Originally Posted by shawn784 View Post

i would think both studio 2 and salon 2 can handle more power than that.

what is your listening level? i dont listen extremely loud usually, but may on occasion turn it up.

My peak SPL in 2.0 Pure Direct mode is 94dBC. This translates into about 85dBA (OSHA levels).

However, I usually listen in 2.1 mode, not 2.0 mode. So my subs add extra SPL.

Thus, in 2.1 mode, my total peak SPL from 2 speakers + 7 subs is 107dBC, but my speakers alone is only 88dBC.

My calculation above is for a total peak of 105dB in 2.0 mode, which is 11dB LOUDER than my peak SPL, which would be extremely loud to me. eek.gif
post #5689 of 6860
^^^
Yeah that's crazy loud. The first time I played the movie super 8 it almost ejected people off of my couch biggrin.gif
post #5690 of 6860
I like to take care of my expensive pretty toys. So I don't ever "push" my speakers or amps to their limits. biggrin.gif

If I want to do that, I would just get some ugly loud high efficient speakers. biggrin.gif
post #5691 of 6860
I hear that, I've never had my setup near full volume. A lot of people play movies at reference but I'm more comfortable in the -10 to -6 range.
post #5692 of 6860
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

My peak SPL in 2.0 Pure Direct mode is 94dBC. This translates into about 85dBA (OSHA levels).

However, I usually listen in 2.1 mode, not 2.0 mode. So my subs add extra SPL.

Thus, in 2.1 mode, my total peak SPL from 2 speakers + 7 subs is 107dBC, but my speakers alone is only 88dBC.

My calculation above is for a total peak of 105dB in 2.0 mode, which is 11dB LOUDER than my peak SPL, which would be extremely loud to me. eek.gif

so you are able to reach reference level with ease with the amplifier you have then?

i want to have reference power and a little above and still have headroom. i rarely listen to anything at reference as i usually watch movies etc. at -10 to -15 and run the subs 3 or 4 db hot but would like to know the ability is there.

do you think the xpa-2 from emotiva would be good or should i go for dual xpa-1?
post #5693 of 6860
For value, EMO XPA-2 or a pair of Outlaw M2200 mono blocks.
I have heard the Outlaw M2200's with my Salons and they drove them just fine and sounded really good.
You can get good deals on alleged B-Stock. wink.gif

ACTG mentioned the phase angle and I am uncertain how the crown handle high phase angles.
No matter what type of amp you have, a 45 degree phase angle requires significantly more powered be dissipated by your amp.

The Parasound amps produce are high class-a bias and the measure very cleanly with little IM distortion (less ringing).
Can you hear that? Probably not but I am not sure.
I am extremely pleased with the A51 driving my Revels.

- Rich
post #5694 of 6860
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Originally Posted by shawn784 View Post

so you are able to reach reference level with ease with the amplifier you have then?

i want to have reference power and a little above and still have headroom. i rarely listen to anything at reference as i usually watch movies etc. at -10 to -15 and run the subs 3 or 4 db hot but would like to know the ability is there.

do you think the xpa-2 from emotiva would be good or should i go for dual xpa-1?

Yes. My ATI AT3005 amp never breaks a sweat.

When HTM reviewed & tested the Salon2/ Voice2/ Gem2 system, they used a 150WPC x 5Ch ATI amp and everything sounded fabulous without any hint of strain.

I think any good 200-300 WPC amp will do just fine.

But if you are inexorably worried about having enough power, nothing anyone says will ease your mind until you get 500-1000 WPC.
Edited by AcuDefTechGuy - 12/11/13 at 7:39am
post #5695 of 6860
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

For value, EMO XPA-2 or a pair of Outlaw M2200 mono blocks.
I have heard the Outlaw M2200's with my Salons and they drove them just fine and sounded really good.
You can get good deals on alleged B-Stock. wink.gif

ACTG mentioned the phase angle and I am uncertain how the crown handle high phase angles.
No matter what type of amp you have, a 45 degree phase angle requires significantly more powered be dissipated by your amp.

The Parasound amps produce are high class-a bias and the measure very cleanly with little IM distortion (less ringing).
Can you hear that? Probably not but I am not sure.
I am extremely pleased with the A51 driving my Revels.

- Rich

went ahead and ordered a new xpa-2. was looking for a used one but could not find a gen 2 for sale anywhere. hoping that it will power the pair well.
post #5696 of 6860
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Originally Posted by shawn784 View Post

went ahead and ordered a new xpa-2. was looking for a used one but could not find a gen 2 for sale anywhere. hoping that it will power the pair well.

Great.
Please post your impressions.

- Rich
post #5697 of 6860
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Originally Posted by shawn784 View Post

i would think both studio 2 and salon 2 can handle more power than that.

what is your listening level? i dont listen extremely loud usually, but may on occasion turn it up.

The speakers open up nicely with an amp that is a minimum of 250wpc. At 500 or 600wpc that goes close to 1000wpc into 4phms the control and bass is amazing at all volume levels. As you give them more power they really tighten up the control from top to bottom.
post #5698 of 6860
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Originally Posted by Thxtheater View Post

The speakers open up nicely with an amp that is a minimum of 250wpc. At 500 or 600wpc that goes close to 1000wpc into 4phms the control and bass is amazing at all volume levels. As you give them more power they really tighten up the control from top to bottom.

you think that xpa-2 should be a good match for the studio2?
post #5699 of 6860
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

Great.
Please post your impressions.

- Rich

You mean how chocolaty, sweet, and airy the treble sounds, how fast and tight the bass sounds, how refined and exquisite the midrange sounds, and how the soundstage just opens up and infinitely expands as you feed it more clean high current power? biggrin.gif

Yeah, I don't know about the EMO, but my ATI does all that and more. wink.gif
Edited by AcuDefTechGuy - 12/11/13 at 11:38am
post #5700 of 6860
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

You mean how chocolaty, sweet, and airy the treble sounds, how fast and tight the bass sounds, how refined and exquisite the midrange sounds, and how the soundstage just opens up and infinitely expands as you feed it more clean high current power? biggrin.gif

Yeah, I don't know about the EMO, but my ATI does all that and more. wink.gif

I wasn't looking for an Audiophile magazine review.

Let's not forget amps that cost less than $7,000, cannot provide that last bit of control and air.
Admit it, you want that control and air don't you, don't you tongue.gif

[Power of Suggestion]
Must Have ATI Signature Amp...
[/Power of Suggestion]

Or perhaps, we should just get hypnotized, replacing costly amplifier power with the "power of suggestion" smile.gif

- Rich
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