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post #5701 of 6814
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

I wasn't looking for an Audiophile magazine review.

Let's not forget amps that cost less than $7,000, cannot provide that last bit of control and air.
Admit it, you want that control and air don't you, don't you tongue.gif

[Power of Suggestion]
Must Have ATI Signature Amp...
[/Power of Suggestion]

Or perhaps, we should just get hypnotized, replacing costly amplifier power with the "power of suggestion" smile.gif

- Rich

You think that Signature amp, which has the same exact power rating as the regular AT3000 amps, will provide that last bit of control, speed, and air?

My amp already provides all that. I can really feel the air expand when my amp is playing. biggrin.gif
post #5702 of 6814
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Originally Posted by shawn784 View Post

you think that xpa-2 should be a good match for the studio2?

I do and any good amp with those specs. Make sure it's stable down to 2ohm loads. The issue with the Studio and Salon models is the load it puts and some amps are more capable than others in handling that.
post #5703 of 6814
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Originally Posted by shawn784 View Post

you think that xpa-2 should be a good match for the studio2?

Shawn,
Let's get down to basics here.
1. What is your budget for an amplifier?
2. Contact Dennis as someone else suggested and see if he can accommodate you on a tweeter.
3. Subtract the tweeter price from your amp budget.
4. Forget the Outlaw monoblocks. Sorry Rich, just MO.
5. Are you a real man or do you have to take your SO's opinion into consideration?
6. How big is your listening room?
7. Do you have acoustic treatments?
8. Subtract acoustic treatments from your amp budget.
9. What pre-amp, source(s) do you have? Are you a Vinylite? CD? Hi-Rez?
10. Do you have a glass coffee table in your listening room?
11. Leave the grills on, buy everything else and then get a new tweeter at tax time.
12.What's the capitol of South Dakota?
post #5704 of 6814
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

Shawn,
4. Forget the Outlaw monoblocks. Sorry Rich, just MO.

That OK biggrin.gif

I think the XPA-2 should do a good job.

- Rich
post #5705 of 6814
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

Shawn,
Let's get down to basics here.
1. What is your budget for an amplifier?
2. Contact Dennis as someone else suggested and see if he can accommodate you on a tweeter.
3. Subtract the tweeter price from your amp budget.
4. Forget the Outlaw monoblocks. Sorry Rich, just MO.
5. Are you a real man or do you have to take your SO's opinion into consideration?
6. How big is your listening room?
7. Do you have acoustic treatments?
8. Subtract acoustic treatments from your amp budget.
9. What pre-amp, source(s) do you have? Are you a Vinylite? CD? Hi-Rez?
10. Do you have a glass coffee table in your listening room?
11. Leave the grills on, buy everything else and then get a new tweeter at tax time.
12.What's the capitol of South Dakota?

1. was around 1-2k ended up ordering xpa-2 for starters. can add another and monoblock them if its not enough power.
2. where is dennis contact info?
5. haha real man
6. 15x20x9
7. room was somewhat sound dampened when building but no acoustic treatments
8. was just using an onkyo NR1010. should i get a stand alone preamp? also have blu ray player, popcorn hour c200, ps4
12. Pierre
post #5706 of 6814
i am getting ready to order some rca cables and speaker wire. what is the best connection type to use with the studio 2 and xpa-2? bare wire, banana, spade etc.? which one is best?
post #5707 of 6814
Jeez, I can see this one needs powdering and a fresh Pamper. smile.gif

Good answer on #12 though, or did you use The Google?

Speaker cable terminations are user's choice, just get good ones and don't spend a lot.
Again with the interconnects, don't spend a lot, don't buy Monster, Monoprice, Bluejeans cables are your friend.

Dennis is DSonic.
post #5708 of 6814
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

Jeez, I can see this one needs powdering and a fresh Pamper. smile.gif

Good answer on #12 though, or did you use The Google?

Speaker cable terminations are user's choice, just get good ones and don't spend a lot.
Again with the interconnects, don't spend a lot, don't buy Monster, Monoprice, Bluejeans cables are your friend.

Dennis is DSonic.

had to use google. rolleyes.gif
yeah i am getting bluejeans cable

thinking about just bare wire to eliminate any more connections. just one straight path.
post #5709 of 6814
also i will be ordering a revel voice2 center shortly as i have located a used one. which emotiva amplifier do you think i should use to power the center? i was thinking about the xpa-1l as its the closest to the xpa-2 i am ordering.

my 4 surrounds are all in wall and will be the last items changed in the system. i could just keep them powered off the nr1010 for now unless its a consensus that i power all surrounds and the center off off a xpa-5? then if i get an xpa-5 there is little reason to have the nr1010 as i will not be using the amplifier section at all and should of just opted for a preamp/processor.

any advice?
post #5710 of 6814
i ordered the rca cables and 100 feet of the 10 guage wire. i assume that 10 guage wire should be fine from the xpa-2 to the studio2?
post #5711 of 6814
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Originally Posted by shawn784 View Post

1. was around 1-2k ended up ordering xpa-2 for starters. can add another and monoblock them if its not enough power.
2. where is dennis contact info?
5. haha real man
6. 15x20x9
7. room was somewhat sound dampened when building but no acoustic treatments
8. was just using an onkyo NR1010. should i get a stand alone preamp? also have blu ray player, popcorn hour c200, ps4
12. Pierre


Dennis Deacon owns D-sonic he's a class D amplifier manufacturer and also an authorized Revel dealer. He's much more than a manufacturer/dealer you can find out a lot with a quick search.


http://www.d-sonic.net/
Edited by comfynumb - 12/12/13 at 4:34am
post #5712 of 6814
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Originally Posted by shawn784 View Post

i ordered the rca cables and 100 feet of the 10 guage wire. i assume that 10 guage wire should be fine from the xpa-2 to the studio2?



Yes, according to the Revel manual 10 gage is recommended up to 30' I believe
Edited by comfynumb - 12/12/13 at 4:27am
post #5713 of 6814
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Originally Posted by shawn784 View Post

i am getting ready to order some rca cables and speaker wire. what is the best connection type to use with the studio 2 and xpa-2? bare wire, banana, spade etc.? which one is best?

No bananas as the rear door won't close. Use spades or bare wire.
post #5714 of 6814
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Originally Posted by Thxtheater View Post

No bananas as the rear door won't close. Use spades or bare wire.

FWIW, I took the doors off.

I use 10ga cable with no terminations.
They barely fit on my Emo amp post holes but fit easily on the Revels.
I would recommend terminating the amp side at least with spades.
post #5715 of 6814
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

FWIW, I took the doors off.

I use 10ga cable with no terminations.
They barely fit on my Emo amp post holes but fit easily on the Revels.
I would recommend terminating the amp side at least with spades.


Good point bare wires on the back of an amp scare me. Big spades on the back of my Sunfire were also tricky to put on. I debated different connections and finally went to all banana plugs.
post #5716 of 6814
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Originally Posted by shawn784 View Post

also i will be ordering a revel voice2 center shortly as i have located a used one. which emotiva amplifier do you think i should use to power the center? i was thinking about the xpa-1l as its the closest to the xpa-2 i am ordering.

my 4 surrounds are all in wall and will be the last items changed in the system. i could just keep them powered off the nr1010 for now unless its a consensus that i power all surrounds and the center off off a xpa-5? then if i get an xpa-5 there is little reason to have the nr1010 as i will not be using the amplifier section at all and should of just opted for a preamp/processor.

any advice?

Are you waiting for the Emo XMC-1? If not, I think the Umc-200 / xda-2 will make a huge difference when it comes to music.

For movies, until you replace those in-walls, there isn't much to say about them.
post #5717 of 6814
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Originally Posted by shawn784 View Post

had to use google. rolleyes.gif
yeah i am getting bluejeans cable

thinking about just bare wire to eliminate any more connections. just one straight path.

Yeah, bare wire is probably the best.
post #5718 of 6814
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Originally Posted by lsdec View Post

Are you waiting for the Emo XMC-1? If not, I think the Umc-200 / xda-2 will make a huge difference when it comes to music.

For movies, until you replace those in-walls, there isn't much to say about them.

I think EMO amps are okay, but I am not sold on their pre-pros. Heard way too many issues.

I would just get a pre-pro from Marantz, Integra, or just use his current AVR as a pre-pro.
post #5719 of 6814
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

I think EMO amps are okay, but I am not sold on their pre-pros. Heard way too many issues.

I would just get a pre-pro from Marantz, Integra, or just use his current AVR as a pre-pro.

The UMC-1 had numerous issues reported. The UMC-200 has issues reported. Denon has had issues reported. Onkyo has had severe issues reported. Integra has had issues reported. Not all issues affect all users.
I owned UMC-1 and now UMC-200. I was satisfied with the UMC-1 because I apparently got one without issues and I do not use room EQ systems. I have owned Denon 4310 and 4311 and currently the 4520. The UMC-200 has better SQ that the 4310 and 4311 IMO.
The 4520 and the UMC-200 both sound excellent with pros and cons for each.
The issues with EMO have not killed the units like those in Onkyo, Integra and some Denons.
I think they all have issues. One just has to determine if the issue will be acceptable.
post #5720 of 6814
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Originally Posted by MUDCAT45 View Post

The UMC-1 had numerous issues reported. The UMC-200 has issues reported. Denon has had issues reported. Onkyo has had severe issues reported. Integra has had issues reported. Not all issues affect all users.
I owned UMC-1 and now UMC-200. I was satisfied with the UMC-1 because I apparently got one without issues and I do not use room EQ systems. I have owned Denon 4310 and 4311 and currently the 4520. The UMC-200 has better SQ that the 4310 and 4311 IMO.
The 4520 and the UMC-200 both sound excellent with pros and cons for each.
The issues with EMO have not killed the units like those in Onkyo, Integra and some Denons.
I think they all have issues. One just has to determine if the issue will be acceptable.

What kind of issues were reported for the Denon?

The ones I've heard about the EMO are like units not powering up at all, Surround sound cutting in-and-out or not locking in signal. I didn't mull over the EMO threads, so I don't know all of the issues, but it seems like the issues are a lot more for the EMO than any Denon.

And as far as SQ goes, I don't think the EMO pre-pros sound better than any $500 AVR I've heard.
post #5721 of 6814
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

What kind of issues were reported for the Denon?

The ones I've heard about the EMO are like units not powering up at all, Surround sound cutting in-and-out or not locking in signal. I didn't mull over the EMO threads, so I don't know all of the issues, but it seems like the issues are a lot more for the EMO than any Denon.

And as far as SQ goes, I don't think the EMO pre-pros sound better than any $500 AVR I've heard.

I have had the 4520 only a few days. It has started doing strange things. Switching between sources and volume is lost. When initially turned on there is no volume and no OSD to show volume. Also menu OSD will not display. Requires off/on to operate.

And I do not think any multi thousand $ AVR or pre/pro beats the UMC-200 for sq. Of course I am not influenced by $$ spent on equipment.
post #5722 of 6814
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Originally Posted by MUDCAT45 View Post

I have had the 4520 only a few days. It has started doing strange things. Switching between sources and volume is lost. When initially turned on there is no volume and no OSD to show volume. Also menu OSD will not display. Requires off/on to operate.

And I do not think any multi thousand $ AVR or pre/pro beats the UMC-200 for sq. Of course I am not influenced by $$ spent on equipment.

Seems like a defective 4520. Was it brand new?

Or was it REFURBISHED?

Multi thousand?

I think a four hundred dollar Denon AVR sounds better than any EMO UMC when I use Dynamic EQ on the $400 AVR.

But I guess we could be debating subjective opinions all day long and not get anywhere.
Edited by AcuDefTechGuy - 12/12/13 at 11:54am
post #5723 of 6814
I'd do a factory reset and if that didn't do it take it back to my dealer for an exchange. It sounds like a bad AVR which happens.
post #5724 of 6814
Denon 4310 which I have has Network card and HD radio common issues to my knowledge.
Edited by jima4a - 12/12/13 at 1:54pm
post #5725 of 6814
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Seems like a defective 4520. Was it brand new?

Or was it REFURBISHED?

Multi thousand?

I think a four hundred dollar Denon AVR sounds better than any EMO UMC when I use Dynamic EQ on the $400 AVR.

But I guess we could be debating subjective opinions all day long and not get anywhere.

It would be a senseless debate with no winner. smile.gif

Since the $400 AVR has a mucked version of audyssey I would still have to disagree all day on the SQ. Unless I liked the boominess of DEQ.
post #5726 of 6814
No boominess with XT32, DEQ engaged and the RLO set to 5db (for music) on my 8801. It's unbelievable for movies and quite good for music. I do understand everyone's tastes are different but if I thought for a second my setup was lacking I'd pull the plug and start over.
post #5727 of 6814
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Originally Posted by MUDCAT45 View Post

It would be a senseless debate with no winner. smile.gif

Since the $400 AVR has a mucked version of audyssey I would still have to disagree all day on the SQ. Unless I liked the boominess of DEQ.

Yeah, it depends on the speakers and especially subwoofers you own.

Electronics can only do so much.

If you have boomy speakers and boomy subs, nothing can really help.

Can't expect miracles. biggrin.gif
post #5728 of 6814
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

For value, EMO XPA-2 or a pair of Outlaw M2200 mono blocks.
I have heard the Outlaw M2200's with my Salons and they drove them just fine and sounded really good.***h

A better idea would be to find some used NHT A1's.

The Outlaw amp is a poor stepchild of the A1, probably made in the same factory. Unlike NHT, Outlaw was too cheap, lazy, callous, or some combination thereof to spring for electrical safety testing from an OSHA-approved national testing lab ("NRTL"). So better to find a used original than a new knockoff, IMO.
post #5729 of 6814
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Yeah, it depends on the speakers and especially subwoofers you own.

Electronics can only do so much.

If you have boomy speakers and boomy subs, nothing can really help.

Can't expect miracles. biggrin.gif

I am not lacking in the speaker and sub dept. However if I feed trash in I get trash out. Any speaker/sub can sound bad with a bad feed. OTH some never notice because they want their system for max bass regardless of quality.
post #5730 of 6814

Ok Revel experts. I would appreciate any opinions.

 

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