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post #181 of 329
Hi Krisjones and all,

I purchased a 532H on saturday. I also notice an horizontal white line sometimes. When I turn on the tv, I have the white screen with the olevia logo, then a black screen, thenk for a second, the white line appears and then goes black again and finally the tuner or dvd screeen with the image. Can you guys check and tell me if you have the same when you turn on the tv? Thanks in advance.

I don't notice any bluring but I do notice Jumpy / motion weirdness only when watching TV (specially analog tv) Sometimes it appears that when you're watching commercials, when one is ending a ghost image stays for a second while the new commercial starts. Sometimes i see the white line for a fraction of a second. Also, with a hdtv channel (only with one) I see a jumpy horizontal white line, the rest of HDTV channels are great. And without this problem, SDTV is quite good as well.

I don't see any blurryness or jumpy motion while watching dvd 480p, so my problems are only watching tv. I tried also to upgrate dvd player to 1080i, and then using componet cables i see a white area on the top part of the screen.

My firmware is:
A30-2.A19.A10.A01.A19


My last question is, is this problem hardware or firmware related? If it's hardware, is it that I god a bad units, so I should return it and get another 532h, or is it that all 532h units are bad, so I should ged a different not ATI processor tv?

Thanks in advance
post #182 of 329
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by dcmix5 View Post

I will only use this 532H as a gaming monitor, both PC and Xbox 360.

Does anyone have any pics of this TV running as a monitor? Would this make a good monitor at all?

Running it at native 1366x768 I was unabe to detect any ghosting ( VGA ) same goes for xbox 360 as long as you have the resultion set to 1080i or 720p ( I recommend 1080i ).
post #183 of 329
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by goldenita View Post

Hi Krisjones and all,

I purchased a 532H on saturday. I also notice an horizontal white line sometimes. When I turn on the tv, I have the white screen with the olevia logo, then a black screen, thenk for a second, the white line appears and then goes black again and finally the tuner or dvd screeen with the image. Can you guys check and tell me if you have the same when you turn on the tv? Thanks in advance.

I have noticed that sometimes after the olevia logo there would be a split second of "junk" ( don't know a better term ). It clears the buffer quickly and is gone.

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I don't notice any bluring but I do notice Jumpy / motion weirdness only when watching TV (specially analog tv) Sometimes it appears that when you're watching commercials, when one is ending a ghost image stays for a second while the new commercial starts. Sometimes i see the white line for a fraction of a second. Also, with a hdtv channel (only with one) I see a jumpy horizontal white line, the rest of HDTV channels are great. And without this problem, SDTV is quite good as well.

The dark image retention is the ghosting that I'm referring to. The noise line you see on the top of some HDTV channels is poorly encoded CC information, turn off "big picture"/cropping and it should go away.

Quote:


I don't see any blurryness or jumpy motion while watching dvd 480p, so my problems are only watching tv. I tried also to upgrate dvd player to 1080i, and then using componet cables i see a white area on the top part of the screen.

Hmmm can't help you there as I don't quite understand the comment. You are the only one who can decide if those problems are livable or not. I don't know if swapping the unit will result in a reduction in your problems.
post #184 of 329
That sounds good then.

I am going from a 21" Gateway at 1680x1050.
post #185 of 329
Eric,

Thanks for the fast answers.

So the white junk screen after the logo is normal, right?

Also, do you know if the problem is software or hardware related, and does it affect all 532h or only some bad units?

Thanks a lot
post #186 of 329
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Originally Posted by rhiohki View Post

Any decent scaler will work fine. I would look into a processor that does de-interlacing as well as scaling. You could always go with the older Focus or Key digital scalers or going with the higher end scalers like Lumagen or Pixelmagic. I say, price-match the 532H for the BF if you can, and use the money to get a nice scaler.

Reason being is that a good quality processor will most likely do a better job than using that saved money on a bigger LCD.

So your advice is to buy $1000+ scaler in addition to $400 tv instead of just buying a $500 tv that is also bigger.
Sweet!!
post #187 of 329
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Originally Posted by vladgur View Post

So your advice is to buy $1000+ scaler in addition to $400 tv instead of just buying a $500 tv that is also bigger.
Sweet!!

Which bigger $500 TV are you talking about?

Thanks
Mike
post #188 of 329
Quote:
Originally Posted by vladgur View Post

So your advice is to buy $1000+ scaler in addition to $400 tv instead of just buying a $500 tv that is also bigger.
Sweet!!


His answer was aimed at -my- specific question, and noone else's. I fully understood his answer, and acted on it, and found a $195 converter that converts ALL input sources to anything I want up to 1080i. And Considering my 32" tv was $369 and this scaler is 195, I paid $564.00 total for a T.V. that now handles every single resolution I input into it beautifully.

At any rate, his advice was sound and if acted upon with decent researching, you'll come out on top.
post #189 of 329
Hi Evil Dementia,

Which converter did you find? Would it fix SDTV ghosting problem if I use it with an indoor antenna for OTA signals?

Thanks.
post #190 of 329
I am interested in the converter you bought too.
post #191 of 329
Is there anyone tried to connect the NTSC analog signal cable to 532H? How's the PQ? Also get ghosting? Since the analog NTSC cable is the only signal source I have besides the OTA HDTV, I really care about this. Many thanks for any reply!
post #192 of 329
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Originally Posted by glfng View Post

Hi Evil Dementia,

Which converter did you find? Would it fix SDTV ghosting problem if I use it with an indoor antenna for OTA signals?

Thanks.

This particular model is firmware upgradeable btw.

http://www.keydigital.com/IndividualPages/KD-DH12.pdf

Some technical info at http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/KD-DH12.htm as well as plentiful other sites online.

It's not a new model , but it gets the job done on Standard Definition Cable signals and makes it look a hell of a lot better than it used to, lol. I spend most of my time on this set gaming or watching DVD's, but this new upconversion leaves me happy in cable too. I also have my old vcr hooked into it in case I ever wanna go old school and play some old high school memories or something.

It retailed brand new in 2003, but it's by no means ugly. Retailers who still sell it list it at 1,500-2,500 $$$ atm, but scouring Ebay you'll find around one or two per week that have been picked up at estate sells for excellent prices.

Currently I've got this 532H TV hooked up in my bedroom where I don't have the Digital cable box so I've got the Cable wire running straight into the converter. Up-Converting all SD channels into 720P, and no ghosting on my tv model anymore thank god.

I've also got my VCR hooked into the DH12 converter.

DH12 runs into my TV via Ultra THX series Monster Component Cables.

Xbox 360 takes care of my upconversion of DVD's to 720P via its VGA hook-up straight into my TV. I also use this VGA cable straight into my TV for games at 720P or 1080i.
post #193 of 329
Thanks Evil Dementia for quick response. Looks like this will solve my problem. I'll check it out.
post #194 of 329
I have a 532h. How do you adjust between 480p and 1080i? Is it through the disc player for a DVD or the TV itself?
post #195 of 329
Wow, up until today I was dead set on getting one of the Syntax models, but not anymore. I will be willing to spend a couple hundred extra and get a piece of mind (and a good picture for my 480p wii).
post #196 of 329
KrisJones,

I have an upconverter DVD player.

Any of you know if there is a way to access the service menu? Maybe we can find something there of some help.

I called olevia tech service and they told me they┬┤re not aware of any problem with this model and to return the tv.

Snowmoon, did you have any technical people from olevia taking a look at your tv?
post #197 of 329
Lots of LCD's use the Xilleon, are there reports of the same 480 ghosting with other brands?
post #198 of 329
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeSM View Post

Which bigger $500 TV are you talking about?

Thanks
Mike

It is my understanding that the 37inch Olevia model that Microcenter will have on sale this Friday for $499 will not have the issues present in a 32inch model here.
I couldnt find completed ebay sales for less than 400 on the key digital scaler, i might be searching for a wrong keyword.
post #199 of 329
Quote:
Originally Posted by vladgur View Post

It is my understanding that the 37inch Olevia model that Microcenter will have on sale this Friday for $499 will not have the issues present in a 32inch model here.
I couldnt find completed ebay sales for less than 400 on the key digital scaler, i might be searching for a wrong keyword.

I believe that model has no tuner in it, so it's no apples/apples...

Thanks,
Mike
post #200 of 329
Quote:
Originally Posted by KrisJones View Post

I have a 532h. How do you adjust between 480p and 1080i? Is it through the disc player for a DVD or the TV itself?

If it is a non-upscaling DVD player, then it should already come out at 480p. If it is an upscaling DVD player, then you can set it on the DVD player.

So, KrisJones, if you've had your 532H and played DVDs, you are experiencing no ghosting problems from your DVD's? Do you know if your DVD player an upscaling model?

How about OTA programming? Have you viewed any channels from rabbit ears attached to your 532H?
post #201 of 329
Ok...I read through this entire thread, and I have to ask something:
I understand that this website is populated with mostly A/V enthusiasts, and it has been my experience in the past that certain flaws, features, and nuances of some products are unnoticable to the typical consumer (for example; I don't see rainbow effects on a Samsung DLP TV unless I REALLY try). Is this the case with this TV? I would really like to purchase the 532h tomorrow (well...technically today...in a few hours), but this thread as me scared now, and is making me want to stretch my budget to the breaking point to get the 542i JUST to avoid this "motion blur" problem. But then again, this IS AVSForum, and perhaps the flaw will only really bug a videophile in search of a pristine picture. What really worries me though, is that snowmoon claims that his wife is irritated by the picture quality. Now...I'm not sexist or anything, but most women I know would be happy watching a 13" TV/VCR combo with tinfoil on the rabbit ears, but perhaps his wife has been trained to be a bit of a videophile as well.

I would be using this TV for watching:
  • HD OTA content
  • SD basic cable
  • DVD's thru an older non progressive player that doesn't upscale on it's own
  • video games (PS2, XBOX, GameCube...soon to be Wii)

I am also concerned about lag for gaming, since playing video games would be a large part of this TV's duty. I have gathered that lag for LCD is not as bad as it is for DLP...can anyone confirm this, or has anyone played 480i/p games on this TV?

Thanks,
-Scot
post #202 of 329
Thread Starter 
With so many options out there including the 42" Syntax and the 3XX series Olevia's I don't understand why people would take a chance on this sight-unseen.

Even without the possibility of trouble from this flaw, it has also been reported that the video lag is ~80ms ( someone did guitar hero testing ). While this might be acceptable for some, gamers might have trouble with "twitch" games.

I understand that this is a "real steal" today, but unless you are going to use it exclusivly as a HDTV monitor ( HD or PC sources only ) I really don't see how it's worth the risk.
post #203 of 329
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Originally Posted by snowmoon View Post

Even without the possibility of trouble from this flaw, it has also been reported that the video lag is ~80ms ( someone did guitar hero testing ). While this might be acceptable for some, gamers might have trouble with "twitch" games.

hmm.... 80ms lag... I don't really know what would be considered an acceptable lag. I assume 80ms is too slow? Does the 542i (also a "real steal" this morning) suffer from the same excessive lag? If the 542i has less lag AND is devoid of the whole motion blur/ghosting issue, then that just may be enough to push me over the edge and say "heck with it...I'll eat ramen for the next month" and buy the more expensive TV.
post #204 of 329
I have recommended 532H to couple of co-workers after reading about the upcoming MC deal. After reading this thread, now I am sure that I am going to look bad! I am really looking forward to Sytax Olevia to get a fix for this.
post #205 of 329
Me and a friend bought the 32" W3213s today at BB with prior knowledge of the ATI Xilleon chipset from this thread, we were doing research before buying.

So, once we got back and tried out our TV's with Super Smash Bros on gamecube with Component, no issues at all there while on 480i. The same goes for FFX, tested on both Composite and S-video ports. I haven't been able to test it on the wii yet, I left my controller at someone's house.

I'm getting the feeling that the ghosting issue perhaps applies to a specific target of ATi Xilleon TV's, most likely the Olevia's.
post #206 of 329
I bought the 32" Olevia 532h from Microcenter on BF WITH prior knowledge of the 480 problems people are reporting.

I've been lurking here for some time (and learning a lot), so I was a bit frightened of the things I read in this thread. However after comparing olevia 532h and the olevia 337h (the 37" that was also on sale) I concluded that the picture quality on the 532H was clearly superior. The 337h was so bad that I honestly hope that the floor model was defective, otherwise microcenter is going to have a lot of returns....alas if you were able to adjust the settings on the TV's at microcenter I would've been able to find out for sure, but thats another tangent....

So after waiting in line for hours I bit the bullet and got the 532H (it was so CHEAP!). I figure if it was terrible I'd just take it back and exchange it for either the 337H (if I could get them to honor the rebate) or just go with the Winbook 37" for 799.99 (A KILLER DEAL if you have the money. Outstanding picture).

First Impressions of the Olevia 532H:

Pros: Very attractive design overall. All black and the speakers are on the bottom which I personally like. The remote is actually pretty good overall and the buttons even light up orange which I love. Some reviews have expressed displeasure with the menu system, and while not perfect I have not found it to be hard to navigate at all. Pretty straightfoward and simple to get into the settings and make adjustments IMO.

As for the picture, I have to say that I'm pretty impressed. No, its not a Pioneer elite plasma, or even one of the best LCD displays out there, but for the price I paid I really feel like I came away a big, BIG winner. The Mavs VS. Spurs game looked incredible in HD (go mavs!) and SD looks adequate in my opinion. SD is not very pretty on virtually all the LCDs I've seen and this is no different. Its a bit blurry on some SD channels, but its by no means unwatchable. And its supposed to look bad; its Standard definition There are also a good amount of aspect ratio's to choose from as well.

The only game system I've played on it is PS2 so obviously it could be better. PS2 looks about like what you'd expect (decent, not great) from a 480 source. But I played it just fine with no problems. I'm sure xbox and xbox360 will look even better. i didn't notice any blurring or ghosting either.

Cons:
Well theres no printed manual (only PDF's on the included disk) which isn't a big deal to me anyways honestly. A little blue light is on while the TV is powered off which is a little annoying to me. Blacks could be better, but I've seen much worse on budget LCD's. If the screen quickly pans over say a whole crowd of thousands of people in the stands of a game, you get the usual LCD blur that is associated with LCDs but that is to be expected from my experience.

Overall:
I'm very happy with my purchase thus far. Granted its only been a day, but initial impressions are good. I'd say that if I bought this for list price at 699 I would be satisfied, but for what I paid I am EXTREMELY satisfied. I got the extended warranty since it was so cheap for protection as well, just in case. I have DirectTV HD so I haven't messed with the tuner yet so I cant offer any review on that. But I have to say that the blurring on 480 isn't noticeable to me (or any of my friends) on this set. Maybe the firmware has been upgraded in time for xmas?

-BT
post #207 of 329
I bought the 532h as well, and I'm having a hard time finding the right settings. I currently have a SD DirecTv DVR, and the channels don't look that great on the widescreen. What setting should I choose? Aspect, Panaromic, zoom 1, full screen?

Any other tips would really help.
post #208 of 329
I picked up a 532H on Friday at Microcenter. Tested via VGA (it takes a full 1366x768) and component from PS2 for a 480i source. I also didn't notice any blurring/ghosting on games or DVDs played through the PS2.

Firmware version is A30-2.A19.A10.A01.A19
post #209 of 329
I just picked up a 532H yesterday. So far no major problems, fortunately. Got a bit scared after reading this forum. My only problem so far is trying to get my RCA universal remote to work with the TV. It seems like others have had such problems from other forums I've looked at, but I was wondering if anyone here has experienced the same thing and if they've figured out any solutions.

Thanks
post #210 of 329
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Originally Posted by horatiub View Post

I bought the 532h as well, and I'm having a hard time finding the right settings. I currently have a SD DirecTv DVR, and the channels don't look that great on the widescreen. What setting should I choose? Aspect, Panaromic, zoom 1, full screen?

Any other tips would really help.

you should use the one that looks best to you. Aspect probably looks the best if you dont mind the black bars on the side.
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