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post #31 of 329
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The effect can be further reduced by turning sharpness down to 0. The effect is still there, but it is no longer exagerated by shapening a messed up image. It's shame since a small amount of sharpening can improve the static images on such a high resolution screen.

It still needs to be fixed by syntax, this is a just a work around for a bug in the firmware. It's still very obvious that the software in this display is blending several frames together in an attempt to reduce noise.
post #32 of 329
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Originally Posted by snowmoon View Post

It's still very obvious that the software in this display is blending several frames together in an attempt to reduce noise.


Well, a temporal noise filter would look at several frames to find out what is noise. Maybe there is some issue with this implementation handling motion. ...or maybe it's something totally different.

I don't know if the problem came from ATI (even though Syntax is ultimately responsible) but I wouldn't be surprised. In the computer realm, it has always seemed like ATI made decent hardware, but their software/driver support left a lot to be desired.

Add me to the list of people holding off on buying this TV, pending this issue. Thanks, Eric, for working to get a fix for this.

Pete
post #33 of 329
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I have not heard from syntax. I sent an email expressing my concerns and linking to this thread. I will post any relevant reply that I receive from syntax.
post #34 of 329
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Still no responce at all from Syntax. No email no phone call no nothing. This is a bad thing.

I would like to believe that they are doing somthing, but for now I just don't know.
post #35 of 329
I posted an initial review of the 532H in the New Syntax Olevia thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post8277841

Basically, with my set-up, I'm not seeing any noticable ghosting issues (my cable box is outputting at 720p). But it seems pretty clear from snowmoon and others that it is a real problem. Fortunately, I can't see it on my set-up.
post #36 of 329
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Originally Posted by learninghd View Post

I posted an initial review of the 532H in the New Syntax Olevia thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post8277841

Basically, with my set-up, I'm not seeing any noticable ghosting issues (my cable box is outputting at 720p). But it seems pretty clear from snowman and others that it is a real problem. Fortunately, I can't see it on my set-up.

Set your cable box to output either 480i or 480p and you will see what we are talking about. In your current setup, you are working around the problem by having the cable box do the scaling/processing instead of the ATI chip in the Syntax.
post #37 of 329
Flatliner, yes you're right. I definitely am not disputing the ghosting issue, just wanted to offer a possible way around it for those with a STB or DVD upscaler that can do a better job than the ATI chip. And I don't want Syntax to think they don't need to solve this - most people will be affected by it, and the fact I'm using a work around isn't an excuse for an obvious bug.
post #38 of 329
snowmoon - Do you think your problem might be only with your set and not endemic to the firmware of your model? It is curious that learninghd is not able to see this issue with his set. Just a thought.

Good luck with your problem. Syntax seems to have an interest in finding a fix.
post #39 of 329
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Originally Posted by stephenC View Post

snowmoon - Do you think your problem might be only with your set and not endemic to the firmware of your model? It is curious that learninghd is not able to see this issue with his set. Just a thought.

Good luck with your problem. Syntax seems to have an interest in finding a fix.

Sending the unit upscaled video will, to some extent, work around the issue but is not a fix. Anyone who uses a SD/progressive scan DVD player will have this problem and it will be worse for those that actually want to use features like a little sharpening or have disks that are not reference quality.

Even using the unit's OWN internal ATSC/NTSC tuner will show off the bug for content that is 480i/p.
post #40 of 329
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Ok,

Here is part of a message received from someone in the know.

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"I would be suprised if it couldn't be fixed in firmware."

Based on my tests, I believe this to be true.
post #41 of 329
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Originally Posted by learninghd View Post

Flatliner, yes you're right. I definitely am not disputing the ghosting issue, just wanted to offer a possible way around it for those with a STB or DVD upscaler that can do a better job than the ATI chip. And I don't want Syntax to think they don't need to solve this - most people will be affected by it, and the fact I'm using a work around isn't an excuse for an obvious bug.

Yes, your right and in fact I had not noticed the issue for what it was until Snowmoon brought it up in the Original thread. At that time, I had only seen it with my old non-upscaling DVD Player. I was also using a STB, the SA 8300 PVR and I also had that set to output 720P. I have since returned my STB and am now at the mercy of the 532H's ATI chips processing for over the air and QAM tuner cable channels as well as my old DVD player. So now I see the issue with everything I watch.
post #42 of 329
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Originally Posted by snowmoon View Post

Ok,

Here is part of a message received from someone in the know.

"I would be suprised if it couldn't be fixed in firmware."

Based on my tests, I believe this to be true.


So, does this person in the know think it will be fixed. And with any haste?
post #43 of 329
hey, for anyone who knows this, does the 480 issue make xbox\\ps2\\gamecube games look blurry\\ghosting\ rails on the images or is it JUST FOR tv\\cable signals in 480 and dvd players w\\ sd or progressive scan?
post #44 of 329
i read every post from the other thread, so this question is more of not knowing about av stuff, not not reading posts...


is the issue only with the composite inputs (i think thats red\\green\\blue) component (yellow) or is it ANY input w\\ 480 display? thanks!
post #45 of 329
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Originally Posted by malibuxboy View Post

i read every post from the other thread, so this question is more of not knowing about av stuff, not not reading posts...

is the issue only with the composite inputs (i think thats red\\green\\blue) component (yellow) or is it ANY input w\\ 480 display? thanks!

Snowmoon's first post said, "What I am seeing affects all inputs of 480p/i sources no matter how clean or input ( tried component and s-video )" and then post #26 says, "I can now confirm that the effect is not limited to analog sources. I have a Sony DVR and got a HDMI cable..."
post #46 of 329
ok so its all 480. thats fine. what about vide4o game systems?
post #47 of 329
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Originally Posted by malibuxboy View Post

ok so its all 480. thats fine. what about vide4o game systems?

Unless the system runs at HD resolutions ( Xbox 360 ) you will more than likely run into this problem ( as well as lag ).


If people want this fixed quicker, call support once a week and keep your reference #'s open until they release a new firmware. One person is a nag, 2 is annoying, 20 is something to deal with. Syntax should know that this affects more than just me.
post #48 of 329
This lack of handling this situation is giving me some concerns about purchasing a Syntax model.

This is especially true of the Signature (7) series ... I had considered purchasing one after only a few reviews. Now I'm concerned if any issues pop up, they will not be handled.

This is very disappointing.
post #49 of 329
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Originally Posted by Raistlin_HT View Post

This lack of handling this situation is giving me some concerns about purchasing a Syntax model.

This is especially true of the Signature (7) series ... I had considered purchasing one after only a few reviews. Now I'm concerned if any issues pop up, they will not be handled.

This is very disappointing.

The 532 and the 527 are different models than every other model they make. While I would recommend people not buy the 532 and 527 right now, I would not take this current delay as indicative of their entire line.

It still throws a great HD picture, customer support picks up in under 2 minutes, and this model JUST came out support didn't even have a test model to see what I was talking about. It's not like they can pull new firmware out of their a$$. Previious models have had several new firmware releases come out for them, I have no doubt that this will get put on the bug list and fixed as well.

I have started watching DVD's on my xbox scaled to 1080i and this works 95% of the time producing a very nice picture ( video and mixed DVD's don't look so hot). My DTV tuner ( Sony DVR ) is set to 1080i and that workaround will tide me over until a real fix is availible.

It is still a bug, a nasty one too, but I still believe in the company as a whole.
post #50 of 329
can anyone confirm issues with video game systems not including xbox 360?
post #51 of 329
well while mine waits in datavision's warehouse (probably)... does anyone know if I display all video via Media Center PC (tuner + dvds + videos) that there won't be a problem with this progressive scanning issue? I would use the built in tuner but the fact that there's no digital output is slightly annoying.

Also, do you guys think that outputting via Component out wouldn't be too bad?
post #52 of 329
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Originally Posted by snowmoon View Post

The 532 and the 527 are different models than every other model they make. While I would recommend people not buy the 532 and 527 right now, I would not take this current delay as indicative of their entire line.

I'm aware they use different processors ... but my issue is deeper than that. What if there is a problem? How will it be handled?

You yourself said,

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Still no responce at all from Syntax. No email no phone call no nothing. This is a bad thing.

I would like to believe that they are doing somthing, but for now I just don't know.

Why are you now defending their handling of this?
post #53 of 329
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Originally Posted by Raistlin_HT View Post

I'm aware they use different processors ... but my issue is deeper than that. What if there is a problem? How will it be handled?

My testing shows the panel to be excellent and capable of artifact free rendering. Most problems reported in previous generation models were addressed in firmware. The model is new enough that support does not even have a 532H yet. They offered to replace my model, but based on my information it won't help ( and I have 0 defect panel ).

I'll give them more time.

I just wish they were better with the followup on the support calls.
post #54 of 329
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Originally Posted by snowmoon View Post

My testing shows the panel to be excellent and capable of artifact free rendering. Most problems reported in previous generation models were addressed in firmware. The model is new enough that support does not even have a 532H yet. They offered to replace my model, but based on my information it won't help ( and I have 0 defect panel ).

I'll give them more time.

I just wish they were better with the followup on the support calls.

Okay, in that case ... I'll give it some time. I did not have a previous gen model, so I wasn't aware they had made fixes in the past.


Your statement regarding followup support scared me a bit
post #55 of 329
I would just like to confirm that the 480i issue is NOT present on the 427 version as it is with the 527v. I would assume the same goes for the 532H, but obviously that's only a guess. I'm not sure how different the 4 and 5 series are (I heard not much at all) [EDIT]. The image quality is fantastic.
post #56 of 329
I can confirm the 427V 27 inch from Office Depot which I purchased yesterday has this same defect. The store display a 32 inch model also has this problem (they had a DVD player hooked up and I assumed the bad PQ was due to the player since it was a small portable one). And yes, turning sharpness down helps and setting input source to 1080i on upconverting DVD solves the problem for DVD playback. HD sources seem to look fine. Other than this defect PQ is very good.
post #57 of 329
?? I set my input to 480i and checked both sd and hd channels...according to all these posts no matter what input was used, there was an issue. was this only with peripherals? if so, then I have no tested that, but a post stated that the issue was present with all over the air hd channels because the person didnt have a satellite\\set top box. I didn't have this problem. just reporting what I see.
post #58 of 329
480i and 480p

if this is only a dvd player\\video game systems etc. issue, then i cant confirm anything. but if the issue is WITH ANY INPUT TRANSMITTING 480I OR 480P I DO NOT HAVE THIS PROBLEM THAT EVERYONE IS REPORTING.
post #59 of 329
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Originally Posted by malibuxboy View Post

480i and 480p

if this is only a dvd player\\video game systems etc. issue, then i cant confirm anything. but if the issue is WITH ANY INPUT TRANSMITTING 480I OR 480P I DO NOT HAVE THIS PROBLEM THAT EVERYONE IS REPORTING.

You have the 427? Can someone confirm that this has the same ATI chipset/software as the 527/532?

Please try turning up your sharpness all the way and try one of the DVD's I have used like 'Finding Nemo' and 'The Muppet Movie'. Low contrast sources will sow it more than high contrast sources.

Count yourself lucky if you can't see the problem.
post #60 of 329
i dont have either one of those dvds...any other suggestions? i can run the final fantasy 7 movie is that would expose the flaws...other than that i dont have any animated flicks. but at 480i\\p my cable looks perfect, whether its component input or composite. have not checked hdmi yet but will receive cables from monoprice soon.
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