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post #661 of 6314
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Possible, but I need to see that be demonstrated first.

Are you telling us that you are getting on a plane to CEDIA? Go see Josh in person?

StooMonster
post #662 of 6314
So is the VP50 still on schedule for release this month?
post #663 of 6314
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Sounds like this could make my 2 month old Oppo 970H obsolete long before its expected time.

I was just wondering about that. I would prefer an (unfortunately 480p-only) Oppo 971 for its lack of HDCP, but wouldn't its Faroudja deinterlacing alter even a 480p output enough that the original interlaced fields were pretty much unrecoverable?

I guess I am unsure what exactly PReP would do. For film material, it could just undo the reverse telecine if that was done well, but I'm not sure what the point would be, since then it would just redo it. For video or mixed video/film material, I could see recovering the original 480i fields from a 480p signal if the source device just did a simple weave or something, but if the source had tried to do motion-adaptive deinterlacing or any other serious processing (like a 971 does), then the original fields would be lost, right?
post #664 of 6314
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Originally Posted by Gary Murrell View Post

you know what now that you mention it, that girl does look Korean

oops


Hmmmm, that sounds like something PeeWee would have said in Porky's.....
post #665 of 6314
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Originally Posted by sidb View Post

I guess I am unsure what exactly PReP would do. For film material, it could just undo the reverse telecine if that was done well, but I'm not sure what the point would be, since then it would just redo it. For video or mixed video/film material, I could see recovering the original 480i fields from a 480p signal if the source device just did a simple weave or something, but if the source had tried to do motion-adaptive deinterlacing or any other serious processing (like a 971 does), then the original fields would be lost, right?

After bob, or after weave, or after motion adaptive de-interlacing you would expect that each progressive frame has either all original odd lines with even lines created/obtained from somewhere, or all original even lines with odd lines created/obtained from somewhere. Provided that the PReP processor can identify the original lines each time (helped by identifying a cadence that goes: odd even odd even) surprisingly good extraction of original interlaced fields can be accomplished.

More sophisticated processing including diagonal processing during the first de-interlacing can result in "original" lines being altered and then extracting back the original interlaced fields in a subsequent PReP process will not be entirely successful.

Inverse telecine'd de-interlaced material, if perfectly done from source with perfect 3-2 cadence, will re-interlace perfectly. If there was a glitch such as a bad edit, resulting in the first de-interlacing doing fallback on motion adaptiveness or something else, then the need for PReP to identify original versus created scan lines in the received (first de-interlaced) material surfaces again.
post #666 of 6314
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Originally Posted by StooMonster View Post

Are you telling us that you are getting on a plane to CEDIA? Go see Josh in person?


Sorry, but no...
What I meant was the possiblity of re-interlacing 480p by the VP50 and therefore making 480i HDMI players obsolete.
Great...if it can be done in a way that makes it indistinguishable from 480i.
post #667 of 6314
In the announcement here on the VP50 at CEDIA, there's a picture of it:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=724331

What's the smaller box on top of it and is that a different remote?

TIA.

- Gerry
post #668 of 6314
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Originally Posted by GerryWaz View Post

is that a different remote?

- Gerry

I saw that too and got pretty excited. Went to the DVO website and checked the new owners manual for the VP50. Alas, it's showing the same remote as the VP30.

Looking at the picture again it looks like they may have been using a universal remote.

Mike
post #669 of 6314
That box is likely the video source for the unit and the remote is probably for that.

All I can say at this point is that HD-DL is all that was promised and more...
post #670 of 6314
Wonder if the THX logo will be on the front panel, and on the silver bezel?

StooMonster
post #671 of 6314
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Originally Posted by oferlaor View Post

All I can say at this point is that HD-DL is all that was promised and more...

No more combing in your torture tests?
post #672 of 6314
The smaller box is a HDMI switcher DVDO is selling which most likely is made by Radiient.
post #673 of 6314
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Originally Posted by GerryWaz View Post

In the announcement here on the VP50 at CEDIA, there's a picture of it:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=724331

What's the smaller box on top of it and is that a different remote?

TIA.

- Gerry

That remote looks identical to the Oppo 970 remote, maybe they were using an Oppo hooked up to the VP50.
post #674 of 6314
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Originally Posted by oferlaor View Post


All I can say at this point is that HD-DL is all that was promised and more...


that is a understatement of epic porportions

-Gary
post #675 of 6314
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

That remote looks identical to the Oppo 970 remote, maybe they were using an Oppo hooked up to the VP50.

Thats their new 4 hdmi switch box.

Daniel.
post #676 of 6314
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

Thats their new 4 hdmi switch box.

Daniel.

I know, I was referring to the remote off to the right in the pic GerryWaz asked about.

A 4 port HDMI box would hardly need a remote with that many buttons.

Just looked again, maybe he was referring to the little flat piece sitting on top of the switcher, doesn't look like a remote unless it's laying face down.
post #677 of 6314
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Originally Posted by Gary Murrell View Post

that is a understatement of epic porportions

-Gary

Care to elaborate...
post #678 of 6314
He can't, DVDO has the NSA watching all his communications very closely.
post #679 of 6314
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

I know, I was referring to the remote off to the right in the pic GerryWaz asked about.

A 4 port HDMI box would hardly need a remote with that many buttons.

Just looked again, maybe he was referring to the little flat piece sitting on top of the switcher, doesn't look like a remote unless it's laying face down.

Thats the place that holds the remote for it

http://gallery.avsforum.com/data/509/CIMG2412.JPG

Daniel.
post #680 of 6314
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

Thats the place that holds the remote for it

http://gallery.avsforum.com/data/509/CIMG2412.JPG

Daniel.

Okay, that's why it looked strange, but why have a remote holder on the very device you'd want to control, presumably at a distance, right on the device, wouldn't you just use the actual buttons on the device itself?

Maybe there are no buttons, ala the Zektor component switcher I've used.
post #681 of 6314
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

Okay, that's why it looked strange, but why have a remote holder on the very device you'd want to control, presumably at a distance, right on the device, wouldn't you just use the actual buttons on the device itself?

Maybe there are no buttons, ala the Zektor component switcher I've used.

It comes with two remotes (pro and consumer). You can use one and store one on the unit. It looks like the remotes still function when docked, allowing you to customize the buttons on the surface of the unit. Not necessary, but kind of neat.

- Collin
post #682 of 6314
Okay, so it's like a removable interface, that is kinda cool.
post #683 of 6314
no I don't care to

I have been using the VP50 for a while now in my personal reference HT setup, I can only call it reference because of the VP50 now, and that is no exageration

let me tell you something guys, you can dream of this thing all you want, but when you get your hands on it, it will surpass all thoughts or dreams you ever had

I have been viewing HD-DVD's deinterlaced 1080i to 1080p on my CRT pj for a while now and my jaw has to be lifted up to be able to recover from the most amazing picture I have ever seen

the 1080i deinterlacing is perfect and I give it that remark without hesitation or regard at all, I just finished viewing the Firewall HD-DVD, words cannot describe the image quality

my setup is as follows:

VP50 feeding a NEC 1352 CRT PJ via HDMI setup for 2.40:1 on a 2.40:1 Draper Cineperm screen, my output resolution is 1920x800p, eactly the resolution that 2.40:1 HDTV movies have no scaling involved for 2.40:1 1080i HD movies from any source, the VP50 is handling all my sources including SDI DVD, HD-DVD, D-VHS and BR upcoming

something else that needs to be mentioned, the SDI DVD performance is improved over the VP30 with 102 card, and it pleases me very much, DVD which became enjoyable with the VP30 just went a step further on the VP50

I have been wanting to blather on about this bad boy forever, I could write for hours upon hours

I must simply say this:

Thanks a million to DVDO, I would NOT have my current setup and picture quality without the VP50 in my system, no question about it, it is the centerpiece that ties everything together giving me the most amazing film reproduction that I have ever seen, true 1080i to 1080p is not something to be taken lightly, those who are picky like me demand the best and the VP50 is it

I can answer questions

Thanks a bunch guys

-Gary
post #684 of 6314
Goodluck with that post 11a...
post #685 of 6314
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Originally Posted by Gary Murrell View Post

no I don't care to

those who are picky like me demand the best and the VP50 is it

I can answer questions

Thanks a bunch guys

-Gary

So I gather that the VP50 should start shipping this Week?

Thanks,

Royd
post #686 of 6314
I doubt that is the kind of question he can answer.


I would like to know how it would improve an HD A1 feeding a SimC3x.

warren
post #687 of 6314
yes I would say it might improve 1080i material with the Sim, I am not sure what quality processing the Sim has though

the VP50 is the best 1080i to 1080p scaled to XXX(in your case 720p) that is available

Royd you would need to ask DVDO that

-Gary
post #688 of 6314
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Originally Posted by Gary Murrell View Post

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the SDI DVD performance is improved over the VP30 with 102 card, and it pleases me very much, DVD which became enjoyable with the VP30 just went a step further on the VP50

-Gary

Gary,

Thanks for the preview. Do you know if 480i over HDMI input showed similar improvements?

I'm eager to see the new HD deinterlacer for my 1080i sources but any improvement to DVD will also be very welcome - NR? - if you can say?

Thanks,
Mike
post #689 of 6314
Mike

sorry, I don't use 480i over HDMI only SDI, but it won't make a difference in that regard, 480i via anything was slightly improved

also there is a negative sharpness control which works wonders in sucking EE out of DVD's and HD for that matter (which is a very rare case)

-Gary
post #690 of 6314
Gary, I don't see any mention of what framerate you are sending from the VP50.

I have been using the VP50 with the HD-A1 and the Marantz VP11S1. I currently feed 1080p48 from VP50 to VP11S1.
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