New DVDO iScan VP50 - Page 4

Thank you very much for your analysis and response Madshi - My only goal is to have everything looks as good as CSI Miami or that new Hitachi 1080 Plasma Commercial with the White Leopard (Amazing) when my Sharp is doing dot-by-dot mode. Don't know if others have seen this commercial done by a famous French Director but I've never seen such clarity that Hitachi would make my Sharp look so great.

May be looking to upgrade after all. Thanks again.

Well, every fixed-pixel display (LCD, DLP, LCoS, Plasma) does, because this is a progressive display technology by definition. It may not accept 1080p, but it has to convert 1080i to 1080p internally to display anything.

Just like I said it doesn't (I do own it and know for sure). It MUST be fed 1080p and will not accept, convert, or scale any other signal because it has no internal scaler. You should have read the ink before posting.

It is possible to have 1:1 and still have overscan.

I have the HL-S5088W RP from Samsung. By default it has overscan w/o 1:1. You can go into the service menu and turn digital overscan off. At this point you are 1:1 but you still have overscan due to the bezel around the screen.

Digital overscan is fake overscan. This is done by cropping the outer portion of the image and then resizing it up. This is often done to remove garbage near the edges of the image.

Josh,
Unless the vp50 is able to force the sky box to transmit sd signals at 576i through hdmi its not going to be of much use to us in the uk,I know that we can recieve this signal through component but sky intend to cut off this output before very long.Will you do something to sort this out for us very soon?

Josh,

This sounds like an outstanding product. I know I am getting ahead of myself, but are there plans to release a VP40 with simplified connections and lower MSRP similar to the VP20/VP30 relationship? My guess is based on the VP20 schedule that a VP40 wouldn't be released until May/June of 2007. You guys have to recoup your investment costs!

Since you understandably probably won't answer my question I will provide some customer feedback. I am a member of your target market for the VP20. I want to improve the picture of SD, but I am not a "tweaker". I would prefer to plug in my cable box(soon to be series 3 TiVo) and DVD player both connected via HDMI and "go." I do, however, have a Samsung 1080P LCD so I could take advantage of, and am interested in, the 1080i de-interlacing available in the VP50, but I don't need all the custom settings and analog inputs.

The question for someone in my shoes("middle market" as you refer to us in your VP20 press release ) is whether 1080i de-interlacing is worth the price difference between the VP20 and VP50($1300 MSRP difference). In my situation I can't justify that cost difference, but if there were a VP40 with fewer custom settings and analog inputs for say $2499 MSRP then the equation changes and I would probably splurge for the VP40.

Isn't economics great?

Josh:I gather it won't support 1080/24PsF output upon release (since there has been no response to my questions), but is it possible that 1080/24PsF output will be added shortly after release?

I for one have been looking forward to seeing Dale's HD-DL in action.

Josh: what's the code name of this one Josh if SD-DL was ABT102?

I am really looking forward to seeing edge adaptive processing for smooth diagonal edges on 1080i material as well as 480i/576i where ABT102 is excellent.

Why do we need a good 1080p processor when we have 1080p displays?
I've had Pioneer's new 1080p plasma since the day it was available, this is considered to have state-of-the-art 1080i deinterlacing as far as displays go. But with all these things it's the cadence detection that lets them down (for none AV-mensa people: this tells the deinterlacer that signal is 'film source' or 'video source').

To be fair it does okay with 480i and 1080i/60 that have easily recognisable 3:2 pulldown patterns -- but where 1080p displays are weak is 576i and 1080i/50 and difficult to detect 2:2 pulldown patterns.

ABT102 aced 576i cadence detection, and I am confident that it's bigger brother will do the same with 1080i/50.


I am sure there will be other great features added, such as: HD-SDI, EDID edit, reinterlace (de-bob), and possible features such as noise reduction.

I very much look forward to DVDO iScan VP50.

StooMonster

How can you tell if your particular display supports 1:1 pixel mapping? I have the new Sony 70XBR2 on pre-order. Can you tell if this set has 1:1 by looking at the menu options available, or does anyone know about Sony SXRD's in general with respect to this issue?

Blue,

You need to feed in a test pattern to verify 1:1 mapping.

Looks like great tech, but $3000 is getting a bit steep for my blood. HD is an expensive hobby. Obviously the price leaving a $500 gap for the VP40 to fit in. But my HD+ was half VP50, and the iScan Pro half that.

I guess what I am asking regarding 1080/24PsF output support, is it relatively easy to add given the design of the VP50, or are there hardware or other system constraints that make adding this output format difficult and/or impossible.

We need to get, um, a couple of engineering samples...

Uzun I am sure DVDO will strive and work to provide 1080 24p on the VP50

what display device wants this anyway? there aren't many are there ?

-Gary

How about an optional HD-SDI Output... that would seal the deal for me

testing anything like this Josh?

I think they provide 1080 24p, but not 1080/24PsF. The Qualia 004 only accepts 1080/24PsF, 1080/60P and 1080/50p. 1080/24PsF provides smoother playback for film sources than 1080/60P does, with a 48hz rather than 60hz on screen refresh rate.

My question doesn't involve output of 1080 24P but 1080/24PsF, which I sort of think they will provide unless there's some hardware or system issue that makes implementing it difficult.

Gino you can't beat DVDO's HDMI output, just get a HDMI to HD-SDI converter

Josh did mentioned a HD-SDI input

Uzun me stupid, please explain to me what the difference is between 1080/24p and 1080/24PsF?

-Gary

Your brand is VRS though right? Like Gennum VXP and Realta HQV -- it's Anchor Bay Technology VRS.

So, we can talk about VRS vs VXP vs HQV etc.

StooMonster

See here:

http://www.anchorbaytech.com/news/VRS-launch.html

VRS stands for "Video Reference Series".

Like HQV means "Hollywood Quality Videoprocessing" and VXP means "Visual Excellence Processing", VRS does indeed mean "Video Reference Series".

So, as above, in discussion it's HQV vs VXP vs VRS then.

StooMonster

Josh said above that VP50 (and I believe VP30 and VP20) will soon have EDID edit capabilities so that we can force interlaced signals over HDMI.

In Sky HD's case we know that this works (you're all welcome BTW ) but if it doesn't Dale Adams has dicussed his "reinterlace" algorithm in other forums/posts, this algorithm extracts an SD interlaced signal from a deinterlaced one. i.e. it extracts the original 480i from 480p (or 576i from 576p) so that VRS can deinterlace it "properly".

Either or both of these should solve the forced progressive SD over HDMI issue with Sky HD, HD DVD, BluRay, etc. If we don't see them in first version of VP50 software, I am hoping that we'll see them in later versions.

StooMonster

An HD-SDI output would not be able to pass any HDCP-encrypted HDMI input signals.

I have a conference call with the folks at DVDO at 1pm today to work out prebuy specials. Stay tuned!

That prebuy special should also include the option of an upgrade from other DVDO product.

Benoit

Read post 96. Maybe you should reconsider that.