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post #31 of 219
I do agree that the PS3 has the potential to be a hit "Gaming console" Whether that translates into gamers buying alot of BD movies is the question...
post #32 of 219
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Originally Posted by tintin1001
I wonder what it was Asus produced then?

200k fluff?

Or maybe someone isn´t telling everything?



http://www.digitimes.com/systems/a20060719PB202.html

Move this to PS3 thread please
Who knows, but when you've got the president of Sony saying they're not manufacturing PS3's, well, seems like he'd be telling the truth. What would he gain from claiming they aren't being made?
post #33 of 219
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Originally Posted by suprmallet
If you read the rest of the article, Hirai says he expects the PS3 to sell as well as the PS2, and that it will capture 60% of the market. So I don't think it's in response to a decrease in demand, as right now, we can't really gauge if there's a decrease in demand. If they're only talking about 700,000 through the new year, I have no doubt they will fly off the shelves.
The article you are referring to:

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In response to Yankee Group's prediction that the PS3 will come out as the top console by 2011, Hirai was pleased with the report, but did comment on the forecasted drop in PlayStation market share. The research firm said that the PS3 would capture 44 percent of the market, down from the PS2's estimated 60 percent, as the Xbox 360 is predicted to eat up a larger piece of the pie in the next generation.
(as well as an article on WSJ) suggest otherwise:

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...608110359/1013
post #34 of 219
As was the case with the 360, all the analysts can do is conjecture. There really is no way to gauge whether or not interest in the system has declined until the hardcore fans have bought theirs, and it's time for J6P to decide between a PS3, 360, and Wii.
post #35 of 219
Or J6P might very well be content with his old PS2.

:)
post #36 of 219
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Originally Posted by suprmallet
Hirai stated, "We haven't started manufacturing [the PS3] yet. Some of our ops guys were actually just in China, and also in Japan just reviewing the [production] lines and everything else. But they are, again, preparing as we speak to get the manufacturing going. We've not announced and we haven't set really a specific date to say, 'As of this day we're going to start manufacturing.'"

"Since we're going with three territories, we haven't really come up with an allocation just yet," he said. "But even if you do the simple math you're talking about less than 700,000 units per territory, per major territory between launch and the end of the year. So even if there was some fluctuation--you give Japan more, you give the US more, what have you--you're going to end up with some shortages."
Yeah, that really doesn't answer my question.

It's quite possible a majority of the components are already done.
post #37 of 219
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Originally Posted by Dave Mack
Or J6P might very well be content with his old PS2.

:)
That is quite true, especially since Sony has said they plan on keeping up support for the PS2 through 2008, which includes PS2 versions of PS3 games.

Even without that, though, you've still got stuff like God of War II coming out on PS2 (no PS3 version will be made) in 2007, so we're still seeing premiere stuff on PS2 after the launch of PS3. Of course, any PS2 game will play on the PS3, but it does argue that people may stick with the PS2 longer than Sony wants them to. I'm not getting rid of mine anytime soon.
post #38 of 219
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Originally Posted by Mark0
The article you are referring to:



(as well as an article on WSJ) suggest otherwise:

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...608110359/1013

Maybe I missed it but where does it say there is decreased demand?
post #39 of 219
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Originally Posted by Mark0
The article you are referring to:



(as well as an article on WSJ) suggest otherwise:

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...608110359/1013

Maybe I missed it but where does it say there is decreased demand?
post #40 of 219
Did you notice how he cleverly halved the shipping numbers from previous statements?

From E3:
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2 million to ship worldwide during the launch window. 4 million by end of calendar year 2006
http://www.joystiq.com/media/2006/05/DSC_2461.JPG

From the interview:
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I think that we've always talked about shipping 2 million units worldwide within the calendar year
Considering they haven't started production yet and discovered where the bottlenecks and problems are, I would probably halve the number again. I suspect shelves will be pretty empty come christmas.
post #41 of 219
Riiiiidge Racerrrrr!..........er, sorry. :)
post #42 of 219
Hit his weak spot for maximum damage!!

:D
post #43 of 219
wow if this is true that they havent started production there will in no way be two million units at launch. Cut that numbher in half to 1 mill worldwide. This could be a giant disaster for sony unless they somehow sidestep what happened to the 360 and have a steady supply of ps3's after launch. Also sony has stated that they dont plan on using air frieght for the3 ps3 like ms used for the 360. Sheesh, how could sony do this.
post #44 of 219
People would buy a ton of PS3s even if they were HD-DVD players.
post #45 of 219
One of MS's main problems was that the region encoding setup made it so they couldn't easily switch it after manufacturing. When they quite incorrectly guessed the demand in Japan, they had no way to move those units to other regions.

My understanding is that the PS3 does not have the same issue. If units are not selling in a particular region, they can conceivably be moved elsewhere.
post #46 of 219
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Originally Posted by Raistlin_HT
One of MS's main problems was that the region encoding setup made it so they couldn't easily switch it after manufacturing. When they quite incorrectly guessed the demand in Japan, they had no way to move those units to other regions.

My understanding is that the PS3 does not have the same issue. If units are not selling in a particular region, they can conceivably be moved elsewhere.
Yea, it's region-free for games.

I think the gist of this article is that final assembly hasn't started. We shouldn't be terribly surprised since the HDMI 1.3 transmitter chips haven't even been produced yet. But the RSX, Cell, and Blu-Ray pickups have been in production for a while now.
post #47 of 219
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Originally Posted by TwinTurboJosh
Yea, it's region-free for games.
Yep ... and the BluRay region control is likely handled in firmware, so it can be easily modified.

With that in mind, even with the same amount of (or possibly even less) units available at launch - they may be able to still better handle demand than MS did.

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I think the gist of this article is that final assembly hasn't started. We shouldn't be terribly surprised since the HDMI 1.3 transmitter chips haven't even been produced yet. But the RSX, Cell, and Blu-Ray pickups have been in production for a while now.
That's what I would guess as well.
post #48 of 219
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Originally Posted by Mdrforce
The hardcore PS3 fans, you know the ones that camp outside for 3 days will pay whatever price. There is no doubt in mind that the PS3 will sellout in the first few minutes it's released. Just remember how the 360 did when it first came out the gate. IMHO, the real battle is with the regular consumers. Will Sony be able to move their system with them. I know people now who will not purchase the 360 due to it's price. Wait until they see the PS3's price. Sony is coming out at a time where our economy is not the best. So I think it will be real interesting. The nintendo Wii is going to put a damper on things also with it's price point being so good. The biggest factor is going to be when customers see that the graphics are really no better than the 360. So then you start asking yourself what are you paying for?? I assume they will probably think to themselves we have blue-ray, but oh the surprise they get when they see it looks no better than a super-bit movie at this current time.

I totally agree with you. I have no doubt that all of the available PS3 will disappear at launch. The hardcore fans will see to that. But it is the average consumer is the key to ongoing sales. Think about it, there are people out there who currently think the premium 360 console is too expensive. These are the folks who hear the price point of the PS3 and begin to fear they are being priced out of the console market. If you feel like this, you are probably thinking about leaving the console gaming market or looking for a cheaper alternative. That is why I think Nintendo is poised to sell some systems. I'm not a Nintendo fan, but they have publicly stated that their goal is too produce a gaming system...they are not looking to produce a system to become the center piece of your entertainment system. Nintendo's philosophy is going to appeal to potential PS3 customers who may feel that Sony's primary interest with their latest systerm is focused soley on Blue Ray rather than games.

I don't know if this is feasible to suggest, but if I were Microsoft I would cut the price of the 360 the day Sony launches their system. I would not only cut the price of the 360, but I would initiate a new marketing campaign which focuses on the price disparity of the two systems and actively promote their 2nd generation games (ala Halo 3). The marketing campaing portray Sony as the company that is out of touch with the average gamer as evidenced by their "outrageously high" price for their console.
post #49 of 219
While cutting the 360 price would certainly help sales ... it is certainly too early for MS to be able to really cut it down to a mainstream price-point.

Remember, MS hopes to actually make money this gen ... not lose another 4 billion.
post #50 of 219
I would love to see Microsoft promote Halo 3 when the PS3 comes out, considering Halo 3 isn't coming out until 2007.
post #51 of 219
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Originally Posted by suprmallet
If you read the rest of the article, Hirai says he expects the PS3 to sell as well as the PS2, and that it will capture 60% of the market. So I don't think it's in response to a decrease in demand, as right now, we can't really gauge if there's a decrease in demand. If they're only talking about 700,000 through the new year, I have no doubt they will fly off the shelves.
Sony says a lot of things that don't pan out.
post #52 of 219
I didn't say I believed him. Somebody asked if production hasn't started due to lowered expectations. I was showing that Sony's expectations are as high as can be.
post #53 of 219
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Originally Posted by Bill C.
Riiiiidge Racerrrrr!..........er, sorry. :)
XBOX 360 launch title, right?
post #54 of 219
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Originally Posted by Traylorc
But it is the average consumer is the key to ongoing sales.
And these "average" consumers picked the PS2 over the XBOX, evethough Microsoft burned through 5 billion dollars in marketing and keeping the price the same as the PS2.

The average consumer will see a PS3 with a Blu-Ray player and a harddrive and think, "It´s a Playstation!", "It can play the new things", "Wow harddrive just like the XBOX". Sure he wont buy them at first chance since it´s expensive, but as the big brands show up with the games and price gets reduced he will buy it.. again...

There is noway around this, Sony did it with the PS1,PS2 and why shouldn´t they do it with the PS3?
post #55 of 219
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Originally Posted by tintin1001
There is noway around this, Sony did it with the PS1,PS2 and why shouldn´t they do it with the PS3?
Because Sony is entering the market late this time around competing with Nintendo's Wii and Microsoft with an established X-Box 360 console. Not to forget the changed versions of statements, specs and delays accompanied with the PS3 in addition to the stuttering start of Blu-ray. The price is another factor. All the eggs are in one basket for Sony and the basket doesn't seem strong enough to carry the burden so far. The situation this time is different compared to PS and PS 2.
post #56 of 219
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Originally Posted by tintin1001
XBOX 360 launch title, right?
Watch this year's Sony press conference from E3 :)
post #57 of 219
I wonder if there are secret meetings between the HD and Blu-Ray camps to end the format war. This could be another reason for the production delay. Sony may be rethinking things after the mess with the Blu-Ray launch.
post #58 of 219
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Originally Posted by Kosty
The 2 million available at launch was to be split 3 ways between US Europe and Japan. Thats 700,000-800,000 or so for the US market through XMAS.
Heck, I am not even interested in game consoles, but maybe I will be one of those folks camped outside wherever you buy the things to score one. Who mentioned eBay gouger? :D
post #59 of 219
2 Million worldwide and falling.......

500k for North America and falling.....

And the Hype gets shredded ever more.
post #60 of 219
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Originally Posted by tintin1001
There is noway around this, Sony did it with the PS1,PS2 and why shouldn´t they do it with the PS3?
I think the PS3 is the "new Xbox". In the current generation, the PS2 came out first and established a foothold, and the Xbox came later and tried to muscle in. The Xbox was big and clunky, with a controller which was so unwieldy that people compared it to holding a football.

In the next generation, Xbox 360 came out first and established a foothold. The new design is smaller and sleeker than the previous generation. PS3 is coming out later and will have to muscle in. The PS3 is big (even bigger than the original Xbox!) and many have been sour on the design, pointing out that it looks like a hibachi or Foreman grill. The PS3 controller removed a popular feature (rumble) and introduces motion sensing, which is perceived as being a ripoff of the Wii and seemed to be clunky in demonstrations given so far. Finally there's the "Xbox live factor"; Microsoft has established a good reputation with their online service, creating something which integrates well across all games and allows you to download demos and even whole games. It remains to be seen whether Sony can create an online service which is worthy competition.
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