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post #61 of 183
Thread Starter 
I just read the mounting instructions for the Rhino Mounts, and it says that the mount must be attached to wood studs, not metal, or damage to your tv may occur. I have a steel stud home, so I can't follow the manufacturers recomendation here, so if something happened, they would say it is my fault.

Not that following the manufactures recomendation has done me much good lately.
post #62 of 183
Wow! It's not hard to imagine a small child sitting in front of a large plasma display watching Sesame Street or Baby Einstein and then all the sudden BANG!! Glass shoots out everywhere and the toddler looks up just in time to have a 150lb Glass faced Plasma display come crashing down on him or her. This makes me sick to think even about it.
post #63 of 183
A few are right you do need some legal help. And it shouldn't cost you anouther $1000 to do so.

You could use a Pre Paid Legal plan.

i use my lawfirm all the time in these kinds of situations, one example if you would like to know would be a sound system that i tried to warranty they had no problem warrantying it but i waited over 2 months and had called and visited them many times all they would say is it isn't done yet, i called my lawfirm they fire off a letter to them and a few days later the store calls back with my upgraded sound system ready for pick up.

this is just a suggestion, im not saying you won't get the same results, but its worth a try instead of being out $1000

take care hope all goes well

email me if you are interested and ill give you information, it won't let me post links i don't know why.


~Nick
post #64 of 183
Free,

As far as the steel stud issue. I know its a pain but if you really want it in that spot you need to cut the drywall along the stud, making yourself a big enough hole to get 2x4 or 2x6, depending on the stud in your wall (interior/exterior). I used two 3 foot lengths of fir that i carefully slid through the holes in the wall, then pop them into the stud at the correct hight, depending on the mounting on the wall mount of course. You will most likely want to add a couple screws just to hold the wood steady in the stud (even though it aint gunna slid anywhere) Leave a good six inches of wood both above the top and below the bottom screw. Then patch the wall and mount er up. The one regret about choosing my apartment was the steel studs cause wall mounting anything but pictures is a pain...

This worked for my 42" and i can hang off the stand (250lbs) and it aint going nowhere.....

Theres my 2 cents
post #65 of 183
I have hung many 42" plasma through the steal studs and actually a few times just into drywall with no stud using Toggle Bolts CLICK HERE. 2 on each end, and 2 in the center for a total of 6. Not everything in life comes with a warranty but a job well done is a job well done !!

Disclaimer: Always mount at your own risk. I know I can make this work, but every situation requires thought and on board trouble shooting! When in dought contact a custom installer.
post #66 of 183
Thread Starter 
I have a plasma hung from steel studs. My point was that the Rhino mount $10,000 waranty would be no good for me if something happened, due to the manufacturers disclaimer.

I will definately be hanging my plasma instead of putting it on a glass stand, that you can be sure of.
post #67 of 183
The one thing left out of the "glass as load bearing material" discussion is the surface area the load is spread across. Consider wood - it makes an excellent load bearing material, but if you apply enough weight (or enough force) to a single point, you can cause it to fail catastrophically.

Tempered glass such as that used in the stand pictured in the OP may make a decent load bearing material - when the load is evenly distributed across the entire surface area, or at least a large portion of the surface area, such as with a CRT type TV, because the weight is distributed across a larger surface area. On the other hand, a panel TV, because of it's profile, focuses all the weight on a smaller concentrated area of the surface

Frankly, I'd be concerned about putting a panel display on a glass surface, regardless of it's stated load bearing value. I'd need to see some data from the manufacturer citing that they've thoroughly tested it in that sort of situation. To really reassure me, they'd almost have to have tested it with my exact make/model of panel TV, or at least a load that is exactly equivalent to it.
post #68 of 183
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Originally Posted by LoadStar View Post

Tempered glass such as that used in the stand pictured in the OP may make a decent load bearing material - when the load is evenly distributed across the entire surface area, or at least a large portion of the surface area, such as with a CRT type TV, because the weight is distributed across a larger surface area. On the other hand, a panel TV, because of it's profile, focuses all the weight on a smaller concentrated area of the surface

That's exactly what I was thinking - and based on my calculations using a top surface area of about 7.8 sqft, it only comes out to about 32lbs/sqft of weight tolerance for the tempered glass.

Because the bottom of the plasma stand is nowhere near taking up the entire surface area of the top of the glass (I couldn't find the size of the TV's stand), it's entirely possible that it exceeded the maximum weight based on the utilized surface area.

N.
post #69 of 183
You guys need to be thinking in pounds per square inch (or centimeter), not by the foot, when the base is a concern.

Is the base hollow, or is it "solid"? Is weight transferance occurring just along the outside edge of the stand, (maybe even just a couple of rubber nubs), or is it the complete surface area of the base? All of these factors mean the difference between 90 pounds per square foot, and 1000 pounds per square inch of calculated load.

BTW, I've got a 3 year old that just loves to whack things. My wife and I decided early on that when we get around to getting an HDTV that we will be buying wood fixtures. There's a place out here called Dane Decor that carries such items (as well as those glass fixtures). I will probably be getting one of those laminate units as they are extremely heavy and look pretty nice for the money. They even have heavy cabinet tops that are suitable for hanging flatscreens. Considering the "whacker" child, this is looking like the best option,

Fred
post #70 of 183
You guys realize we're getting this thread into mathematical equations and physics that would make Kevin Federline's head explode?
post #71 of 183
Personally, I never considered a glass top because I'm paranoid, apparently justifiably.

I have my 40" LCD wall mounted, but I have a vintage open reel tape deck weighing in excess of 50 pounds, plus a receiver, cable box, DVR, DVD, and other assorted stuff.

Even though the load ratings of the glass tops should have been well in excess of what I was loading, I was still concerned with accidents happening.

I ended up with a Salamander 65" wide wood stand and I'm satisfied.

Regards,

Lee Herman
post #72 of 183
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Originally Posted by MrRoboto4L View Post

I love threads like these...

suddenly everyone has a BS in Material Science...


Bummer about the stand, man.


I do have a BS in Material Science.

Check out:

http://wilsonglass.com/Strength.htm

especially page 2.
post #73 of 183
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Originally Posted by jrbd90 View Post

I do have a BS in Material Science.

Check out:

http://wilsonglass.com/Strength.htm

especially page 2.




That is just incredible like in P T Barnum's circus act
post #74 of 183
Thread Starter 
Well..... I finally heard from the online distributor Threshold Concepts, and indirectly through them Avdeco. Here is the response I got.

Since AVDECO is temporarily closed due to organization restructuring (they claim they will be back with a new distributor towards end of this year), I forwarded your e-mail to their previous Marketing Manager, Paul.

Following is his reply after reading your letter:

Hi James,

I offered to send him a replacement glass from a unit that I had set aside which is in Texas...let him know that I will contact you next time I go to Texas and send it to him. It should be in about a month or two.

Since Avdeco is no longer in business (I am currently working with a different company) that is the best that I can do.

-paul


So the best answer I can give you is that Paul will call me next time he is in Texas, and we will arrange to ship you the replacement glass then.

Regards,

Sales Dept.
Threshold Concepts, Inc.
post #75 of 183
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Originally Posted by tvbug View Post



That is just incredible like in P T Barnum's circus act

They dont have me on that glass, 6'2" 285lbs...haha
post #76 of 183
Did they mention Paul lives in Maine, and will not be in Texas until some random 2019 convention? If I were you, I would definately keep on them, or you may never see the glass. As far as the stand, if it was mine, as soon as I got the glass it would have a nice little for sale sign on it. I definately would not trust it with another TV display.
post #77 of 183
That page (wilsonglass) shows exactly what MPF was saying. Tempered glass is VERY strong, if there are NO imperfections. Also usually the imperfections do not come with the manufacturing process. Any TINY scratch, or chip can SERIOUSLY impact the loading capability of the glass. So yes glass is very strong but any damage can cause a catastrophic failure. You won't have that with wood or steel. For those matierals it takes much more damage to cause a catastrophic failure. So if there are children in the home, I wouldn't recommend it. Toddlers espically lean on, climb, and run in to furnature. If you don't have children around with proper care I don't see why a glass top stand would be a problem.

Jeff
post #78 of 183
And, we learn again, warranties (or small claims cases, for that matter) are only as good as the company that offers them staying in business. That problem has happened to me on a somewhat less dramatic scale.

Someone saying that they are "out of business" does not necessarily mean that the corporation has been dissolved. You could still pursue a claim on the assets. One clue is that the website is still up and presumably someone is paying the hosting bill.
post #79 of 183
One time we were taking glass shelves from cabinets at school and dumping them in the trash.

We threw them in the dumpster, and they all fit in except this one that a bunch of kids were trying to jam into the dumpster. Well, eventually the glass got stressed out and exploded all over the place.

I guess it must have had some lateral force on it, because the pieces went everywhere.
post #80 of 183
Wow

Was it live or Memorex?

Just kidding. Sorry to hear.
post #81 of 183
Seems completely reasonable to me. It is advertised as a TV stand, and they even gave a weight limit.

Seems to me they designed it to be USED as a TV stand.

-Larry

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Originally Posted by kraemer View Post

While I am extremely sympathetic towards your plight, I cant understand why you would put a plasma, or anything even remotely heavy on what is essentially a glass table. No matter what its rated, any sort of collision or dropped object can trigger a shatter when its under a heavy load. Glass+heavy objects=bad idea.
post #82 of 183
I had a glass shelved rack about 20 years ago, and when I got it home and started to assemble it, there was a tiny scratch on one of the shelves in one corner. I called the store it came from and they said "Don't worry, it's no big deal!". Well, I was kind of paranoid, and I put it at the bottom, with only a 24 tape case of blank cassettes on it. It was scratched through the box, the paper wrap and the plactic wrap it was cocooned in for shipping. It was maybe 3/8" long, and was barely feelable with a fingernail.

About 3 months later, I was playing music really loud, and was dubbing a CD to cassette. I had the door open and was getting ready to record, and I heard a "tink" and that grinding sound that glass has when it's being cracked or scratched. About two seconds later, POW, the shelf did the same thing as the one this thread is about, it let go, just on a much smaller scale. I actually saw the corner crack and it spread across the whole shelf, and the glass went everywhere! It was in my hair (I had a full head then), my dogs who were sleeping on the floor had it on them, and basically, it was all over. I got a couple of tiny cuts and pokes from the glass when I cleaned it all up, the dogs were fine.

I even found a couple of pieces inside my reciever years later, and it was on the top shelf!

I called a place that would make a replacement shelf and they wanted about what the whole rack cost for the one shelf, so I called a plastics place, and they said $20, so I went over to get it. Turned out the owner of it was a friend of mine I had lost touch with when they moved out of town about 15 years before. I ended up getting it made out of 1/2" black Lexan for 10 bucks. To make it a shelf that would hold weight without sagging, I bought some stainless steel shelf hangers that are shaped like a [_] and had them welded by a friend into an X shape and then it was bolted onto the bottom with small countersunk bolts. It still is in the living room, holding a cassette deck and CD rack since then.

When I bought a new glass shelved rack for the new set up, I checked the shelves carefully, and the heaviest thing on them weighs 32 pounds even thoough they are rated for 75.

You don't even want to think about busting one of those big beer mugs. That glass is deadly, and even after I spent most of an hour vaccuuming all over, one of my dogs found a piece to step on after I left for work. It looked like a bad horror movie the next morning. Blood all over the place. My dog was ok, a trip to the vet and he just basically glued the cut on her pad shut, and then put a little booty on it for a couple of days. I had tiny cuts all over my arms and neck from being hit with the shards from it when I tried to catch it when I dropped it in the sink, and slammed it down on the counter instead..
post #83 of 183
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Originally Posted by wojtek View Post

How many of these are TEMPERED glass?

BDI & Bello, two respected manufacturers make tempered glass plasma stands
post #84 of 183
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Originally Posted by howe View Post

...was your stand manufactured in China? Such goods are notorious for defects, cutting corners, misrepresenting specifications, poor quality control, etc...

Administrative Contact: Choo, Chong

post #85 of 183
I'm guessing that those two components on the second shelf were pumping out some serious heat. Which equals repetitious expansion-contraction in the shelf above as it heats-cools, day after day after day.

Couple that with all the "per square inch" weight centered in the middle of the shelf, add in a possible flaw or damage when assembling, and I'm not surprised at all that this happened.

After all, the whack of a spark plug tip onto a car's side window will get you inside in under a second flat. Tempered glass does not behave well when a concentrated stress is applied. Those people pictured above are spread out all over that glass sheet. Have them all stand on each other's shoulders and then take the picture instead -- I bet they'd all be face down, on the ground!
post #86 of 183
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Originally Posted by BK EH View Post

I'm guessing that those two components on the second shelf were pumping out some serious heat. Which equals repetitious expansion-contraction in the shelf above as it heats-cools, day after day after day.

Something I had not thought about. Very good point.
post #87 of 183
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Originally Posted by BK EH View Post

Those people pictured above are spread out all over that glass sheet. Have them all stand on each other's shoulders and then take the picture instead -- I bet they'd all be face down, on the ground!

Yeah, the thinnest girls are in the center and the two heavies are on the woodblocks at the sides.



So its a sham
post #88 of 183
i've had an old shower door explode on my head. What an experience. One moment carrying it down stairs, the next moment... nothing in my hands. little squares of glass everywhere.
must have caught the corner on the stone step.

wendek
post #89 of 183
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Originally Posted by Free View Post

Well..... I finally heard from the online distributor Threshold Concepts, and indirectly through them Avdeco. Here is the response I got.

Since AVDECO is temporarily closed due to organization restructuring (they claim they will be back with a new distributor towards end of this year), I forwarded your e-mail to their previous Marketing Manager, Paul.

Following is his reply after reading your letter:

Hi James,

I offered to send him a replacement glass from a unit that I had set aside which is in Texas...let him know that I will contact you next time I go to Texas and send it to him. It should be in about a month or two.

Since Avdeco is no longer in business (I am currently working with a different company) that is the best that I can do.

-paul


So the best answer I can give you is that Paul will call me next time he is in Texas, and we will arrange to ship you the replacement glass then.

Regards,

Sales Dept.
Threshold Concepts, Inc.

Funny, Avdeco seems to have been in business in Jan 2006:
http://www.cinenow.com/uk/reports-sub-14471.html

And, if you call the old Avdeco USA number (909) 605-5757, you are given a new phone number, (213) 944-9711. That phone number is answered by someone who says "This is Paul".

Something smells, and it ain't me...

I found a reference (at, of all places, the USDA!?!):

AVDECO, Inc. dba West Coast Trading Co.
1590 S. Milliken Avenue, Unit C
Ontario, California 91761
Mr. Chong H. Choo, President
Contact:
Mr. Chong Choo
Telephone:
(909) 605-5775

That lead me to what I think may be the parent of Avdeco:

http://www.westcoasttrading.net/company/

And, surprise, surprise a WHOIS of westcoasttrading.net gives:

Registrant:
Chong Choo
1590 S. Milliken Ave
Unit C
Ontario, California 91761
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: WESTCOASTTRADING.NET
Created on: 24-Nov-04
Expires on: 24-Nov-06
Last Updated on: 24-Nov-04

Administrative Contact:
Choo, Chong paul@avdecoinc.com
1590 S. Milliken Ave
Unit C
Ontario, California 91761
United States
9096055757 Fax -- 9096055858

Technical Contact:
Choo, Chong paul@avdecoinc.com
1590 S. Milliken Ave
Unit C
Ontario, California 91761
United States
9096055757 Fax -- 9096055858

So, no real help here - we're back we started, other than it sure looks like it would be pretty easy for "Paul" (could Paul be AKA Chong Choo?) to dissolve Avdeco USA and pop-up as another legal entity. That's an old trick of the Asian importers - sell product for a few years, then dissolve the US legal entity so all the warranty & support issues go away, and pop-up with a new US business under a new legal entity. I used to see this all the time with the cheap PC clone makers.

It does look like a lot of 'net companies that used to sell Avdeco no longer have them listed on their web site.
post #90 of 183
Thread Starter 
Hmmmm.... you actually got an answer when you called? Did you just hang up, or did you ask him what happened to my stand, and why he hasn't returned my calls.
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