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post #241 of 5350
I've got kind of a naive question. I just got a large 1080p HDTV. And still have an older non-progressive DVD player. I know the newer progressive DVD players would give better quality from standard DVD's. I don't want to buy a new DVD player, if I can help it, until the HD format wars are sorted out.
So, is there any benefit in running the 480i output of the old DVD player into the RXV2700 and letting it convert to 480p or higher? Or should I let the TV do it? Or should I just bite the bullet and buy an Oppo DVD player?

PS: My RXV2700 shipped yesterday from Tweeter in Atlanta.
post #242 of 5350
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post

most likely this would be true as the M4 is a dedicated, or "separate", 2-channel amp.

yes, you can connect the Yamaha RX-V2700 FRONT pre-out's (2 front pre-amplifier channels) directly to your M4 amp inputs, the M4 output's then connect directly to your two front speakers. The RX-V2700 CENTER and SURROUND speaker outputs can then be connected directly to your center and surround speakers.

This is how I use my system. I use an RX-V1600 along with an NAD C272 amp (150W X 2). I have the NAD amp powering my two front speakers, with three of the Yamaha amp's powering my center, and two rear surrounds. It sounds great, especially hen listening to 2-channel music.

Thank-you, that helps very much.

Tom
post #243 of 5350
I just replaced my 8 year old Yamaha RX-V2092 with the new 2700. It really sounds great. I did notice one problem with the hdmi connectors. The hdmi cable fits very loose in the output hdmi connector. In fact it will fall out easily. Has anyone here experienced this problem? I expect a snug fit here. I still need to learn how to operate this beast. My old 2092 is for sale if anyone is interested.
post #244 of 5350
Just pulled the trigger on the 2700, will be here on Friday.
It will be driving a 5.1 set of 750 MK II THX SELECT System.

Hooking up to the Oppo 970 to do the DVD playing - HDMI to the Yamaha, then HDMI to the JVC HD-61FN97 for viewing.

Also will be running the DirectTv HD-DVR (HS-20S) through the Yamaha as well.

Cant wait for the reciever!

Wooooo Hooooooo!

HR
post #245 of 5350
Which connection will give me the best sound from my Panasonic S97 DVD player to the RX-V2700, digital optical cable, coaxial cable or 6 multi-channel audio cables?
post #246 of 5350
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Originally Posted by SirJohnFalstaff View Post

Which connection will give me the best sound from my Panasonic S97 DVD player to the RX-V2700, digital optical cable, coaxial cable or 6 multi-channel audio cables?

I use a combination of both-- digital optical connection, and 6 discrete multi-channel inputs on my sony DVP NS90V DVD/DVD-A/SACD player. This way you can get the best of both worlds. When listening to most CD's (PCM stereo), or watching DVD movies, it's coming through the digital audio connection. However, when you switch the Yamaha to "Multi-channel" it will enable the 6 multi-channel inputs for playing SACD's, etc.,...
post #247 of 5350
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Originally Posted by SirJohnFalstaff View Post

Which connection will give me the best sound from my Panasonic S97 DVD player to the RX-V2700, digital optical cable, coaxial cable or 6 multi-channel audio cables?

I have S97 and RX-V1600 and use the digital connections only:
- coaxial cable for CD (it's accepted that coaxial is better than optical)
- HDMI cable for both DVD-Video and DVD-Audio

I guess that there is no differense between coaxial and HDMI as regards sound quality but separate connection through coaxial cable give me chance to use Pure Direct (it doesn't matter for RX-V2700) and to set different presets for CD and DVD playback.
post #248 of 5350
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post

I use a combination of both-- digital optical connection, and 6 discrete multi-channel inputs on my sony DVP NS90V DVD/DVD-A/SACD player. This way you can get the best of both worlds. When listening to most CD's (PCM stereo), or watching DVD movies, it's coming through the digital audio connection. However, when you switch the Yamaha to "Multi-channel" it will enable the 6 multi-channel inputs for playing SACD's, etc.,...

You'd think that if you were using six multi-channel inputs that would produce a better sound? One coaxial cable for each channel should pass a better signal than just one coaxial for all six. I know that isn't how it works, but you'd think it would.

Does anyone know if this would work with HD sound if you don't have HDMI 1.3?
post #249 of 5350
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Originally Posted by SirJohnFalstaff View Post

You'd think that if you were using six multi-channel inputs that would produce a better sound? One coaxial cable for each channel should pass a better signal than just one coaxial for all six. I know that isn't how it works, but you'd think it would.

Does anyone know if this would work with HD sound if you don't have HDMI 1.3?

that's not the reason John.

SACDs and DVD-As require you to have discrete analog outputs to your processor, unless you are running iLink, denonLink, or anything similar that will pass DSD (for SACDs) or DVD-A signals thru a single wire for the processor to decode.

Whichever sounds best depends on the DACs on either your destination or your source.

Example:
If you have a Panasonic S97, then chances are the Yamaha 2700 will have better DACs. So if you could pass DSD via iLink to the 2700 (which you cant), then I would let it do that, or if you want to listen to CDs, then I would let the 2700 decode it.

However, if you have a player like a Denon 3910 (which I have) or SP1000, etc, then you want to take advantages of their internal DACs as they are much better than the dacs in the 2700....so whether SACD, CD, etc, I let the 3910 do all the processing, and pass it to the 2700 via discrete 2 or 6 channel analog as an EXT IN.


Finally, for movies, I recommend you just use the Digi Coax or Optical cable from your S97 to the 2700, as then you can apply all the goodies like CinemaDSP, etc, to your signal.
post #250 of 5350
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Originally Posted by ssabripo View Post

that's not the reason John.

SACDs and DVD-As require you to have discrete analog outputs to your processor, unless you are running iLink, denonLink, or anything similar that will pass DSD (for SACDs) or DVD-A signals thru a single wire for the processor to decode.

Whichever sounds best depends on the DACs on either your destination or your source.

Example:
If you have a Panasonic S97, then chances are the Yamaha 2700 will have better DACs. So if you could pass DSD via iLink to the 2700 (which you cant), then I would let it do that, or if you want to listen to CDs, then I would let the 2700 decode it.

However, if you have a player like a Denon 3910 (which I have) or SP1000, etc, then you want to take advantages of their internal DACs as they are much better than the dacs in the 2700....so whether SACD, CD, etc, I let the 3910 do all the processing, and pass it to the 2700 via discrete 2 or 6 channel analog as an EXT IN.


Finally, for movies, I recommend you just use the Digi Coax or Optical cable from your S97 to the 2700, as then you can apply all the goodies like CinemaDSP, etc, to your signal.

Cool. I'll just stick with my good old digital coax cable and be happy.

I saw the 2700 yesterday at A&B here in Calgary. She sure looks beautiful. I wish I didn't have to wait until January to bring one home.
post #251 of 5350
Can somebody explain how switching between the net and usb functions works in the RX-V2700?

In the much-lower-end RX-N600 one can switch between the net and usb only by going to the OSD menu. This is not convenient if one does not want to switch-on TV but just listen to the music. Is this done in the same way in the RX-V2700 or one can switch between the net/usb functions just by pressing on the remote?
post #252 of 5350
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Originally Posted by SNick View Post

it's accepted that coaxial is better than optical.
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I may experiment switching my digital-optical connection to a digital-coax connection, just to see if there are noticeable differences in sound characteristics.
post #253 of 5350
Wow, the excitement kills me. Owners must be totally enjoying their new toy to where they can't let go even for a few minutes to update everyone about the pros and cons.

I was just thinking about 2700's networking capability. Is this feature going to make Sonos obsolete?
post #254 of 5350
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Originally Posted by isomdh View Post

Wow, the excitement kills me. Owners must be totally enjoying their new toy to where they can't let go even for a few minutes to update everyone about the pros and cons.

that's because they're constantly starting new threads on the same subject- ie.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=734121
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=735308
post #255 of 5350
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Originally Posted by isomdh View Post

Wow, the excitement kills me. Owners must be totally enjoying their new toy to where they can't let go even for a few minutes to update everyone about the pros and cons.

I was just thinking about 2700's networking capability. Is this feature going to make Sonos obsolete?

Ok, I'll jump in. I've had the 2700 for a week, and I'm still experimenting, so this will be a VERY short opinion.
Video: The only video source I have going through the 2700 at the moment is a Denon 2930CI player via HDMI, and then to my Sony LCD via HDMI. As HDMI on the 2700 is pass through, I can't comment yet on it's conversion capabilities (but the picture quality from the Denon is terrific).
Audio: I have a pair of Mirage Omnisat v2 floorstanders, which sound really nice with the 2700. But just yesterday, I decided to try my old pair of Mirage M760's that I bought back in 1989, and always loved.
Well, all I can say is.......I'm a happy camper! The M760's STILL sound as good today as when I bought them 17 years ago. Fed by the 2700, there's isn't a thing I can think of that I'm dissatisfied with. And that's in a room with serious space limitations which prevent proper placement of the speakers (too close together and too close to the wall behind them).
I'm building a new house which will have a nice, big "great room". Speaker placement will be pretty easy. I was thinking of new speakers, but considering how good everything sounds now, I'm not sure I'll do that.
But anyway, the 2700 so far is terrific. Music and movies both sound great, and it has enough options/goodies to keep me playing for quite a while.
I can't answer about the networking, as I haven't tried that.

Jack
post #256 of 5350
Got my V2700 yesterday from my local Best Buy / Magnolia store. For the most part I'm pleased, but I had issues going from HDMI out to my Toshiba 57H83 DVI in (which has HDCP). I have a firmware hacked OPPO 970HD that disables the HDCP and it passes thru the V2700 with no issues. I tried my Comcast cable box DVI and it won't sync. My MCE2K5 HTPC passes thru. The thing that disturbs me the most is the V2700's menus won't display/sync on the HMDI output. Note: the unhacked OPPO firmware wouldn't sync going straight to the DVI port nor would the Comcast cable box, so I'm not suprised it didn't work on the V2700.

Connecting to my home network was easy, but accessing my large library of MP3's is painful. I found no way to quickly scroll through my 600 artists, and when you select an artist it doesn't show the albums, just all the song titles of the albums combined.

It appears that the 1/2/3 HDMI and 1/2/3 components are shared with the coax and optical assignments. Which was a hassle to connect my Xbox and Xbox 360 via component and optical in. I had to use an optical splitter and connected it to the CD optical in.
post #257 of 5350
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Originally Posted by philtor View Post

Got my V2700 yesterday from my local Best Buy / Magnolia store. For the most part I'm pleased, but I had issues going from HDMI out to my Toshiba 57H83 DVI in (which has HDCP). I have a firmware hacked OPPO 970HD that disables the HDCP and it passes thru the V2700 with no issues. I tried my Comcast cable box DVI and it won't sync. My MCE2K5 HTPC passes thru. The thing that disturbs me the most is the V2700's menus won't display/sync on the HMDI output. Note: the unhacked OPPO firmware wouldn't sync going straight to the DVI port nor would the Comcast cable box, so I'm not suprised it didn't work on the V2700.

Hmmmmm......
My 2700 is connected via HDMI to my tv, and I get the menu no problem.
post #258 of 5350
can you navigate the music folders from the front panel alone, not needing the tv on?
post #259 of 5350
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Originally Posted by philtor View Post

Connecting to my home network was easy, but accessing my large library of MP3's is painful. I found no way to quickly scroll through my 600 artists, and when you select an artist it doesn't show the albums, just all the song titles of the albums combined.

So there is no fast scroll? Hows is this compared to Ipod connectivity and its scrolling?
post #260 of 5350
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Originally Posted by philtor View Post

Connecting to my home network was easy, but accessing my large library of MP3's is painful. I found no way to quickly scroll through my 600 artists, and when you select an artist it doesn't show the albums, just all the song titles of the albums combined.

You might check out eddielives post on this. He seems to have it easy.
post #261 of 5350
Is the 2700 able to power speakers with an impedance of 6 Ohms? Of the speakers I want, the center and surrounds are 6 Ohms, which they say are also 8 Ohm compatible, and the fronts are 8 Ohms.
post #262 of 5350
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Originally Posted by Darthfunk View Post

So there is no fast scroll? Hows is this compared to Ipod connectivity and its scrolling?

As far as I see there is no fast scroll, and I find it to be very slow scrolling through the artist.

I am getting the IPOD dock today - I hope it has better navigation.

I haven't tried it via the front panel yet, but it might be quicker to use the knob to scroll.
post #263 of 5350
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Originally Posted by philtor View Post

It appears that the 1/2/3 HDMI and 1/2/3 components are shared with the coax and optical assignments. Which was a hassle to connect my Xbox and Xbox 360 via component and optical in. I had to use an optical splitter and connected it to the CD optical in.

To me, it looks like you can assign each input individually.

post #264 of 5350
Thanks for posting the interface Rob, now I'm salivating

Though when I pull up a diagram of the V2700's backpanel to compare the I/Os to the interface you posted it is rather confusing.
post #265 of 5350
Why would anyone want to route their video through their amp? My plasma is used as a "monitor" only. The DirecTV signal is plugged directly into the TV. Why go through the receiver first? This sounds like a waste. Only the audio signal should go into a receiver.
post #266 of 5350
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Originally Posted by kmccorma View Post

Why would anyone want to route their video through their amp? My plasma is used as a "monitor" only. The DirecTV signal is plugged directly into the TV. Why go through the receiver first? This sounds like a waste. Only the audio signal should go into a receiver.

Well, my TV has 1 DVI and 2 component inputs. I have an OPPO 970HD DVD player, Sony 5 Disc DVD player, Xbox , Xbox 360, PS2, Comcast cable box, HTPC, and VCR. I need the V2700 to manage my devices.
post #267 of 5350
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Originally Posted by kmccorma View Post

Why would anyone want to route their video through their amp? My plasma is used as a "monitor" only. The DirecTV signal is plugged directly into the TV. Why go through the receiver first?


Does DTV output 1080i? Does your display upscale? If not, that's a very vgood reason to, imo.
post #268 of 5350
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Originally Posted by Halco View Post

I just replaced my 8 year old Yamaha RX-V2092 with the new 2700. It really sounds great. I did notice one problem with the hdmi connectors. The hdmi cable fits very loose in the output hdmi connector. In fact it will fall out easily. Has anyone here experienced this problem? I expect a snug fit here. I still need to learn how to operate this beast. My old 2092 is for sale if anyone is interested.



That's one of the few problems with HDMI, they pull out easily. Use
some type of tape or other fastening device if it gives you too much
problem.
post #269 of 5350
The 2700 has an internal electronic 6 or 8 ohm setting. My old rx-v1 has an external 4/8 switch.

I'm not sure which sounds better as i am running a set of polk LSI's which are 4 ohm.

The protection circuit seems to trip more on the 2700 at 6 ohms.

I am still demo'ing the new 2700 vs an older flagship rx-v1.

I passed my video thru just to see and quickly went back to my thinking. Video to the TV sound to the reciever.

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post #270 of 5350
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Originally Posted by kmccorma View Post

Why would anyone want to route their video through their amp?

for many reasons, one of which is for switching from device-to-device. Also, depending on your HDTV's built-in features (ie. up-scaling or no up-scaling, etc.,..) you can take advantage of the Yamaha's video processing capabilities for enhancement, etc.,...
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