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post #3091 of 5350
WOW. So Ive been reading through these network problem questions, but hadn't gotten around to trying this stuff myself with my new 2700. I have just spent about 3 hours playing with it and thought Id share my story/thoughts and hopefully it can help someone else out in the future setting this up for the first time.

This is most definitely NOT the most user friendly/streamlined way to do things, but you can make it work. To start with, my goal is to simply play music from my laptop to my receiver from playlists, be able to change songs with the push of a button without seeing it on screen, while enjoying Nintendo Wii or regular TV of some kind during a party showing on my TV screen instead of the receiver GUI.

The equipment, I have a DSL line directly behind the TV, sent to a Linksys WRT54G wireless router. Connected to the router by hardwire are my 360, PS3 and 2700 Receiver, and my laptop is wireless (although to make it work, I had to hardwire it, I'll explain more in a moment...).

The user manual for the 2700 is worthless, but the one nugget they do give you is you need to have Windows Media Connect 2.0 installed to make your PC a "server". Simply sharing folders on your PC or Laptop wont do it(although you still have to do this). My search for Windows Media Connect 2.0 showed that the it's no longer offered but that its functionality is now built in with Windows Media Player 11.0. So download WMP 11.0 if you dont have it. My receiver settings were simply DHCP On, and the IP/Gateway and all that good stuff was automatically filled in so I didnt have to change anything. What did take me forever to figure out is how to get the receiver into PC/Music Cast mode. You have to push the little record button in the bottom left corner, THEN push Net/USB and it will switch the receiver to PC/MusicCast mode. Then, to scroll through the menus, the remote has to be set to source, then if you press menu it will bring up the PC/MusicCast menus. (Wow was that exhausting). Another key point, you have to allow media sharing through Windows Media Player 11.0! I did this, and even though nothing was in the list for "Share media to......", this allowed my receiver to see my PC.

Now, when my laptop was setup wireless, I did see my home network as a PC/MusicCast Server, however I couldnt get anything to show up for the life of me. I dont know enough about wireless settings so I said to hell with it. I connected my laptop with a wire to the router, and all of a sudden my playlists and songs started showing up under my server name. One key is, for whatever reason to get everything to show up the first time I HAD to have Windows Media Player open. However, I did notice later that when I shut down WMP, I was still able to scroll through all of my folders and songs as if the connection stays even when you close WMP. Even changing the receiver to a different mode, then back to PC/MusicCast didnt break the connection, so to be honest Im still not sure if I actually have to have WMP opened or not to use it. Im guessing the answer is yes, the first time you connect or reconnect your PC to the network and receiver, but it could be that after you allow sharing through WMP you no longer have to have it open for any reason. Needless to say, after doing all this, I can simply rest my laptop in my audio rack, start playing songs on a playlist, and then simply hit the "Next" button (directly above Play in the DVD control section of the remote) and it will go to the next song in the list, or to a random song if thats how you setup your receiver.

Lots of rambling here, but to summarize:
1. You have to share folders with your music both in your normal PC windows explorer, as well as media sharing in Windows Media Player 11.0.
2. Receiver has to be set properly into PC/MusicCast mode (duh, but it wasnt as intuitive as one would think!)
3. Receiver has to be properly connected to network (DHCP On, and your router should do the rest assuming you are allowing enough DHCP users).
4. I could not get my receiver to recognize my files with wireless connection (network settings, router settings, antivirus software, I have no clue!)

Sorry for the long post, I know most of the experts around here will have no problem with this stuff, however for a lot of new receiver owners like myself this stuff can be a little daunting so hopefully this might help someone.
post #3092 of 5350
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Originally Posted by jarcher View Post

Hi All...

I would like to pass control commands to my 2700 without gluing an IR emitter head on the front of the unit. I see there is some kind of IR input on the back, but the manual is not very helpful.

Is it possible to go directly from my IR Blaster to this input with a cable?

I was wading through old posts and noticed this one. Yes, there are IR ports (in and out) in the back. You may be able to try a 1/4" mono cable between your IR output device (for the IR Blaster) and the back of the Yamaha. That might eliminate the need to place the IR emitter onto the receiver.

Fortunately, there are also lots of IR options that are fairly inexpensive to implement. Just Google "IR emitter" for sources.
post #3093 of 5350
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Originally Posted by BqWUDUDj View Post

On home networks, MAC filtering applies only to the wireless domain and wouldn't come into play with a 2700.

Disagree with this one. My D-Link home router allows for filtering of both wired and wireless MAC addresses, which is why I asked the question.
post #3094 of 5350
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Originally Posted by BMarczak View Post

Disagree with this one. My D-Link home router allows for filtering of both wired and wireless MAC addresses, which is why I asked the question.

Yup, wireless cards have MAC addresses thus cna be filtered using comm devices that allow for MAC addr filtering.
post #3095 of 5350
Well tried the setup with my buddies WRT54gx2 200 SRX and have the same problems. I never got anywhere with the IP address. After trying several different hookups including replacing the ethernet wiring the 2700 just doesn't recognize the DHCP server. The wrt54gx2 has an option to check the wiring connection and it stated all was hooked up at 100 mps full duplex but still nothing on the IP table. This has been quite a disappointing system after having several issues with the HDMI number one port that was finally replaced to this problem I've just about had it and will not buy another Yamaha product again. I spend several hours on the phone, mostly one hold, to try and get support, without any answers except "send it in for service"and after sending several emails and getting back generic answers I've given up on that avenue also. Thanks guys for all the input and support, but it looks like the final problem is another internal issue with the 2700.
post #3096 of 5350
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Originally Posted by Spiderr View Post

...Thanks guys for all the input and support, but it looks like the final problem is another internal issue with the 2700.

If your problem with the network connnection is the inability of the 2700 to use the DHCP in the Linksys router, then you might want to assign a static IP address to the 2700. As you know, most home wireless routers handle a range such as .10-.50 or .10-.100. If you assign the static IP address on the 2700 to be an address above or below that range, such as 192.168.0.110 (above the DHCP address range), it should work.
post #3097 of 5350
Does the Yamaha 2700 passthrough 1080p24 from a ps3 via HDMI?
post #3098 of 5350
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Originally Posted by wallinski72 View Post

Does the Yamaha 2700 passthrough 1080p24 from a ps3 via HDMI?

With firmware 1.90, it does.
post #3099 of 5350
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Originally Posted by Woof Woof View Post

With firmware 1.90, it does.

Is that PS3 FW or Yamaha FW?
post #3100 of 5350
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Is that PS3 FW or Yamaha FW?

PS3 FW.

1.90 added the option to force 1080p/24 through the receiver to the HDTV. Previously, the PS3 would not receive the handshake it expected from the projector (because the Yamaha was in the way). Now you can cram it down the Yammy!
post #3101 of 5350
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Originally Posted by jhstn58 View Post

Now you can cram it down the Yammy!

I crammed my yammy once. Never gonna do that again..
post #3102 of 5350
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Originally Posted by Woof Woof View Post

With firmware 1.90, it does.

Lovely, thank's for answering.

I already own the 2700 but I have been looking at a 1080p projector and wanted to make sure there were no issues.
post #3103 of 5350
Hi all,

I'm new to posting on the site and this is a bit off topic but I need some advice on connecting my Paradigm reference speakers up properly to my Yamaha RXV-2700. Normally this kind of thing is a no-brainer for me but I recently bought a set of Paradigm Studio Speakers and bi-wired them up to the RXV-2700 but when I went through the auto configuration it told me that I had a number of speakers hooked up in reverse. Through various wiring configuations I was able to get the AMP to finally get through the auto configuration successfully although some of my speakers were technically now wired with the wrong polarity.

My question is whom do I trust...............the RXV-2700's Autoconfiguration routine or Paradigms speaker connection diagrams and my own know how? Will there be any long term damage to the speakers if I leave them hooked up in this configuration to keep the AMP happy so to speak?

Any suggestions??
post #3104 of 5350
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Originally Posted by kylnor View Post

Hi all,

I'm new to posting on the site and this is a bit off topic but I need some advice on connecting my Paradigm reference speakers up properly to my Yamaha RXV-2700. Normally this kind of thing is a no-brainer for me but I recently bought a set of Paradigm Studio Speakers and bi-wired them up to the RXV-2700 but when I went through the auto configuration it told me that I had a number of speakers hooked up in reverse. Through various wiring configuations I was able to get the AMP to finally get through the auto configuration successfully although some of my speakers were technically now wired with the wrong polarity.

My question is whom do I trust...............the RXV-2700's Autoconfiguration routine or Paradigms speaker connection diagrams and my own know how? Will there be any long term damage to the speakers if I leave them hooked up in this configuration to keep the AMP happy so to speak?

Any suggestions??

Ignore the polarity feedback from the 27. It's ability to correctly identify your speaker polarity is worthless. It's a mystery to me why they bothered to include this in their package.
post #3105 of 5350
Is it just me or does the 27 volume control seem a bit buggy?

When I go to change the volume, it moves slowly or not at all and then seems to jump resulting in a very non-linear change. This makes volume adjustments tricky since there's no visual indication available, at least one you can read. It appears to work, it's just not a very smooth progression.

Does anyone else experience this?
post #3106 of 5350
Seems to work ok for me. There is a delay from the time I push the button until the time the volume starts changing.
post #3107 of 5350
hi,
has any one here compared the yammy 2700 to the onkyo 805?
if so what are your thoughts please..
i bought the 805 however i have always been a yammy person and would like to know what you all think before my 30 days as i am still considering the 2700.

please any feedback would help.
post #3108 of 5350
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Originally Posted by amiles46 View Post

Is it just me or does the 27 volume control seem a bit buggy?

When I go to change the volume, it moves slowly or not at all and then seems to jump resulting in a very non-linear change. This makes volume adjustments tricky since there's no visual indication available, at least one you can read. It appears to work, it's just not a very smooth progression.

Does anyone else experience this?

If I try to control the volume on my 1700 with the remote that came with my DVR I get the behavior you describe. If I use the 1700's remote or my Harmony remote, the volume change is very consistent.

As a side note, the 1700 displays the volume change on the front of the unit and I thought the 2700 did the same. Is your unit too far away to read?
post #3109 of 5350
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Originally Posted by amiles46 View Post

Is it just me or does the 27 volume control seem a bit buggy?

When I go to change the volume, it moves slowly or not at all and then seems to jump resulting in a very non-linear change. This makes volume adjustments tricky since there's no visual indication available, at least one you can read. It appears to work, it's just not a very smooth progression.

Does anyone else experience this?


I got my 2700 a couple weeks ago and mine has the exact same volume behavior. It is irritating. I too would like to know if that is by design or not. Whether or not you can see the volume indicator does not matter. It just starts changing really slowly at first. But then it changes fast if you hold the button for more than a couple seconds.
post #3110 of 5350
Agreed about the volume thing, there is a delay which is slightly annoying but also I too think it seems to be a little non-linear at first, but then steadies. Overall though I love so much about the receiver that I dont let this bother me.
post #3111 of 5350
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Originally Posted by amiles46 View Post

Ignore the polarity feedback from the 27. It's ability to correctly identify your speaker polarity is worthless. It's a mystery to me why they bothered to include this in their package.

The funny thing is that the AMP properly identify's the bi-wired surround rears (Studio 20's) and one ADP but the front's, center and other ADP are reversed. Any particular reason why my speakers would be that different then others or why half of the speakers seem ok while the other half aren't?
post #3112 of 5350
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Originally Posted by kylnor View Post

The funny thing is that the AMP properly identify's the bi-wired surround rears (Studio 20's) and one ADP but the front's, center and other ADP are reversed. Any particular reason why my speakers would be that different then others or why half of the speakers seem ok while the other half aren't?

I'm from the old school where you had to do everything manually to get things right.

Checking polarity is simple if you can see the low freq driver on the speaker in question and it is a conventional voice coil speaker.

Just take a flashlight battery (AAA, AA , C, D it doesn't matter) and briefly touch the bare speaker leads that normally connect to the amp to the battery. The positive terminal on the battery should go to the positive lead on the speaker, the negative terminal to the negative lead. When the circuit is completed the low freq driver will move forward. Just check each speaker to ensure they all move forward when connection to the battery is made. If they don't, something is reversed. Just reverse the wires on that speaker and you are in business. Obviously if you get the connections wrong the results will be misleading.

You may want to track down why it's different but it's not necessary. Most all speakers today are set up to drive the cone forward when positive voltage is applied to the positive speaker terminal. There are exceptions I'm told but I've never encounter one in the 35 years I've been doing this.

The 27 is an outstanding product and I'm very pleased with it. But the YPAO function is limited in it's capability. The fact that it reports polarity issues will have no effect on how it completes the test and the resulting setup. Curiously in my setup run the YPAO reported four reversed speakers and one correct. I would have expected it to just report the one inconsistent speaker as reversed since absolute polarity doesn't mean anything. Anyway you cut it the report was in error as all speakers were, and are correctly phased.
post #3113 of 5350
The volume thing is by design. I've had several pieces that work this way. When you hold the volume control down, it increases or decreases at a faster rate compared to the initial rate.
post #3114 of 5350
divio,

thanks for all the input just plugged in yam to router and turned on dhcp and then set up internet radio and it sounds great took about 3 minutes. now i just have to set up pc. thanks all for the help.
post #3115 of 5350
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Originally Posted by amiles46 View Post

I'm from the old school where you had to do everything manually to get things right.

Checking polarity is simple if you can see the low freq driver on the speaker in question and it is a conventional voice coil speaker.

Just take a flashlight battery (AAA, AA , C, D it doesn't matter) and briefly touch the bare speaker leads that normally connect to the amp to the battery. The positive terminal on the battery should go to the positive lead on the speaker, the negative terminal to the negative lead. When the circuit is completed the low freq driver will move forward. Just check each speaker to ensure they all move forward when connection to the battery is made. If they don't, something is reversed. Just reverse the wires on that speaker and you are in business. Obviously if you get the connections wrong the results will be misleading.

You may want to track down why it's different but it's not necessary. Most all speakers today are set up to drive the cone forward when positive voltage is applied to the positive speaker terminal. There are exceptions I'm told but I've never encounter one in the 35 years I've been doing this.

The 27 is an outstanding product and I'm very pleased with it. But the YPAO function is limited in it's capability. The fact that it reports polarity issues will have no effect on how it completes the test and the resulting setup. Curiously in my setup run the YPAO reported four reversed speakers and one correct. I would have expected it to just report the one inconsistent speaker as reversed since absolute polarity doesn't mean anything. Anyway you cut it the report was in error as all speakers were, and are correctly phased.

Thanks amiles46,

I checked everything over as we discussed and I did have the wiring right as I orginally thought. I guess the AMP will have to deal with a few speakers reversed then. The only anomally during the test was that I couldn't get my midrange speaker on my fronts/mains to articulate the same way the bass speakers did. Funny thing is that I was able to do that with my center channel speaker. It could just be the configuration though since they sound great and if the midrange wasn't working I think things would be very noticable.

Thanks again.
post #3116 of 5350
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Originally Posted by kylnor View Post

Thanks amiles46,

The only anomally during the test was that I couldn't get my midrange speaker on my fronts/mains to articulate the same way the bass speakers did.
Thanks again.

Glad things worked out for you. I'm not sure what you meant by the above but... the battery check is only good for low freq voice coil drivers.

Most mid range and virtually all tweeters are driven through filter networks and the signal passes through a capacitor on the way to the speaker. This capacitor blocks DC current so the battery current cannot drive the voice coil with a DC current. Low frequency drivers are connected directly to the input wiring so the DC current from the battery will force the coil to move in one direction or another depending upon the polarity.

Anyway, it sounds like your problem is resolved. Enjoy the Yam. It's a great product.
post #3117 of 5350
Can anyone tell me:
Is the upscaled 4x3 image better?
HDMI aspect ratio: through, 16x9 normal, smart zoom. What is the diference?(page 90 manual V2700)
Thanks.
post #3118 of 5350
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Originally Posted by cappyxavs View Post

hi,
has any one here compared the yammy 2700 to the onkyo 805?
if so what are your thoughts please..
i bought the 805 however i have always been a yammy person and would like to know what you all think before my 30 days as i am still considering the 2700.

please any feedback would help.

Those were the two I considered. I finally decided on the 2700 for several reaons:
  1. more digital audio ports
  2. video to zone 2
  3. a great online review
  4. weight of the unit
  5. concerns about 'popping' sounds on the 805

In my case, since the unit will go on a glass shelf, weight is a big deal. That plus a late discovery the 805 had plenty of complaints about 'popping' helped me decide on the 2700. Sure it doesn't have TrueHD, but that's not really necessary as long as the Blu-Ray / HD DVD player can pass 8 channel PCM.

Now that I have the 2700 I honestly think the improvement (over my old Sony) is amazing. Sure TrueHD might bring a little more sound quality. But I just made the audio equivalent to jump from SD to HD in sound quality.

But if I didn't need to worry about the weight, the 805 would have been first on my list.
post #3119 of 5350
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Originally Posted by wim06 View Post

Can anyone tell me:
Is the upscaled 4x3 image better?
HDMI aspect ratio: through, 16x9 normal, smart zoom. What is the diference?(page 90 manual V2700)
Thanks.

It all comes down to personal preference and the other equipment you have in the chain. In my case our SXRD Sony does significantly better at scaling and up-conversion than any of our other equipment (with the exception of our Oppo 981 DVD player). Other than the Oppo, I let the Sony handle it all. The RX-V2700 is so..so at up converting. Not bad but nothing to write home about.

One other thing, I simply can't tolerate distorted video so we use absolutely no resizing, stretching, or any other variance to the original format provided. I know that isn't a common viewpoint, but one of those "personal preferences" I mentioned.

Play with it and go with what you like. That's the beauty in having all those options.
post #3120 of 5350
I will be possibly buying a new 2700 shortly since is on clearance at Magnolia for 1199.00... What i am curious about however is, i have an old Pioneer Elite DV-38A Progressive Scan component output that will be going to a new Samsung DLP that i wish to buy as well.. will the 2700 upconvert better or should i use the Sammy's upconverterfor my old Pioneer? I have heard both ways would lokk better than what i have now .. but i would assume the Sammy woulld be better based on what the previous post said about the 2700 scalers.. thanks
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