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Is there a big difference in sound quality between the 1700 and the 2700?
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It was brand new. It said "A" stock and everything is in english and all. Wouldn't know why it would not be intended for sale here. Think if I called them they would upgrade me to the 3800? I know its wishfull thinking. I guess I'll have to get this fixed and sell it and then buy that one.
post #3453 of 5350
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Originally Posted by GCanada View Post

It was brand new. It said "A" stock and everything is in english and all. Wouldn't know why it would not be intended for sale here. Think if I called them they would upgrade me to the 3800? I know its wishfull thinking. I guess I'll have to get this fixed and sell it and then buy that one.

I don't think so. No Yamaha upgrade/trade in program that I am aware of. It may well be US stock. But there are TONS of consumer electronics sold online in the US that are not US warranty units. Happens all the time. And new or not, Yamaha can refuse to repair under warranty any/all Yamaha branded products that were not purchased through an authorized Yamaha retailer/reseller. I'm not saying they will take this route with your item, I'm just stating what any manufacturer can do with sales of it's products through un-authorized sources.

Though, you may want to hold off till you get your firmware update before you make any decisions. But I still have serious doughts as to what you are being sent by Yamaha in regards to firmware. It just seems quite *fishy* to me.
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Originally Posted by LJ25 View Post

Is there a big difference in sound quality between the 1700 and the 2700?

I have never heard the 1700. But I'd bet they are identical (or damn close) in terms of sound/fidelity as the only real difference between them in regards to audio is the 2700 has 10 more watts per amp. They even have the same number of DSP programs.

Few other differences (not audio related) the 2700 has over the 1700:
- USB port
- one more HDMI input
- ABT upscaling
post #3455 of 5350
Ya we shall see about that firmware update. I tried searching there site last night and other places and didnt see anything about a firmware update. Funny thing is our electric went out for awhile and then came back. Turned everything on and I'll be damned the satelite is working via hdmi. Almost tempted to try the hd dvd player to see how that goes.

EDIT: A2 HD-DVD is running right now. Anyone think the hdmi could have problems when it runs hot? Since we all know this thing isnt the coolest running machine.
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Originally Posted by GCanada View Post

Ya we shall see about that firmware update. I tried searching there site last night and other places and didnt see anything about a firmware update. Funny thing is our electric went out for awhile and then came back. Turned everything on and I'll be damned the satelite is working via hdmi. Almost tempted to try the hd dvd player to see how that goes.

Yes, as I stated prior, there is nothing on the official Yamaha site about any new(er) or updated firmware for the 2700. The firmware for the 2700 is the same today as it was the day they shipped their first production unit.

Even if you were being offered some sort of firmware update or reload of the basic factory firmware from Yamaha, I find it *highly* unlikely they would send it via post office when it could simply be downloaded or emailed.

It just doesn't make sense.

Why not email that Yamaha contact back asking for an update on when and what they mailed to you? "What exactly are you sending me?"
post #3457 of 5350
I just sent him an email asking what exactly was he sending me and if it could just be sent via email. I'll post up a reply when I get one.

On another note you think the problems are all just heat related? If so why would this cause the hdmi to act up but no other inputs. The dvd player play'd for 50 minutes flawlessly. The video started cutting in and out after that. I then turned off the receiver for a few seconds. I pulled the end out of the dvd player and put it into the sat box. Turn'd on the receiver and the sat box. Now the sat is playing flawlessly. Think its just time to send it back.
post #3458 of 5350
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Originally Posted by GCanada View Post

I just sent him an email asking what exactly was he sending me and if it could just be sent via email. I'll post up a reply when I get one.

On another note you think the problems are all just heat related? If so why would this cause the hdmi to act up but no other inputs. The dvd player play'd for 50 minutes flawlessly. The video started cutting in and out after that. I then turned off the receiver for a few seconds. I pulled the end out of the dvd player and put it into the sat box. Turn'd on the receiver and the sat box. Now the sat is playing flawlessly. Think its just time to send it back.

Quite possible as many have reported heat related HDMI issues. Any chance of temporarily puting a very small desk top fan near the 2700? Gently blowing air over the top of the unit?
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Originally Posted by GCanada View Post

On another note you think the problems are all just heat related? If so why would this cause the hdmi to act up but no other inputs. The dvd player play'd for 50 minutes flawlessly. The video started cutting in and out after that. I then turned off the receiver for a few seconds. I pulled the end out of the dvd player and put it into the sat box. Turn'd on the receiver and the sat box. Now the sat is playing flawlessly. Think its just time to send it back.

Isn't it true that you have established that (1) sat communicates correctly everytime with the 2700 thro' HDMI but (2) DVD player (is that the HD A2?) does not? If true, then you need to eliminate the DVD player as a problem. If it's the HD A-2 that you are referring to as the DVD, you need to establish that it's not a problem with the communication between the two, before you change out your receiver. I wouldn't assume that the 3800 will work either. IMHO, 3800 is not going to get you anything usable other than the selectable sub crossover. The HDMI 1.3 has no practical use currently as far as I know. There is an advantage to waiting too, not only for the tech. stabilization but also for price. Just one year ago people were salivating at buying the 2700 at $200 under MSRP, now it can be had for 1/2 price and it will be technologically adequate, again IMHO, for many years to come. (I bought a 5 year warranty for $60.00 from Yamaha when I registered it).

Edit: As Toby remarked that upgrade sounds fishy. Sometimes CSR's will confuse model nos. and send you an update for another model (happened with my Tosh. Gigabeat player). If there is one I wouldn't install it unless I knew it addresses a problem that I'm having.
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Originally Posted by mits7372 View Post

Isn't it true that you have established that (1) sat communicates correctly everytime with the 2700 thro' HDMI but (2) DVD player (is that the HD A2?) does not? If true, then you need to eliminate the DVD player as a problem. If it's the HD A-2 that you are referring to as the DVD, you need to establish that it's not a problem with the communication between the two, before you change out your receiver. I wouldn't assume that the 3800 will work either. IMHO, 3800 is not going to get you anything usable other than the selectable sub crossover. The HDMI 1.3 has no practical use currently as far as I know. There is an advantage to waiting too, not only for the tech. stabilization but also for price. Just one year ago people were salivating at buying the 2700 at $200 under MSRP, now it can be had for 1/2 price and it will be technologically adequate, again IMHO, for many years to come. (I bought a 5 year warranty for $60.00 from Yamaha when I registered it).

Edit: As Toby remarked that upgrade sounds fishy. Sometimes CSR's will confuse model nos. and send you an update for another model (happened with my Tosh. Gigabeat player). If there is one I wouldn't install it unless I knew it addresses a problem that I'm having.

The 3800 has over the 2700:
- one additional HDMI input
- HDMI 1.3 compatability (so they say)
- upscaling to 1080p
- HD surround processing (Dolby Digital Plus, DTS HD Master Audio, Dolby True HD, Neural Surround THX)

What is "selectable sub crossover" that you are refering to in the 3800? The 2700 has sub crossover settings.

I think you are correct on the CSR, assuming that is even where the problem exists.
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I sent the firmware update for the HDMI fallout. I said in case that you need it.

That is what was just sent to me in an email. I'm going to get a laptop cooling pad and see if that may help. Just seems weird how both work but then at some point the video cuts out.
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Just got home from work. G/F was watching tv and it was fine till I got home. I just put a huge fan blowing directly on it so we shall see if that will bring the video back.
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Originally Posted by toby10 View Post

What is "selectable sub crossover" that you are refering to in the 3800? The 2700 has sub crossover settings.

The 2700 does? I did a comparo on the yamaha site and it said something about the 3800 having 9 band settings. I assumed the 3800 had more bass management controls. I don't know much about this since I don't have a sub yet and I haven't read the manual through.

I haven't experimented with any of the surround modes available through the decoder settings (like Neural etc.) Are there any here that are better than 7ch. stereo for music? I don't have XM, except for the XM that DTV broadcasts.
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Originally Posted by mits7372 View Post

The 2700 does? I did a comparo on the yamaha site and it said something about the 3800 having 9 band settings. I assumed the 3800 had more bass management controls. I don't know much about this since I don't have a sub yet and I haven't read the manual through.

I haven't experimented with any of the surround modes available through the decoder settings (like Neural etc.) Are there any here that are better than 7ch. stereo for music? I don't have XM, except for the XM that DTV broadcasts.

The 2700 has 9 preset sub crossover settings. Now maybe the 3800 has more as well as more PEQ frequency settings, quite possible.

DSP modes are very subjective. Personally, I do not like Neural Surround as it takes std. 2 ch stereo and downmixes it to 7 ch "surround simulation". When it comes to music I much prefer regular 2 ch or 7 ch (with enhancer if mp3 source). It has all kinds of music DSP modes to tinker with, give them a listen.

Some non-DSP things you can play with from your remote is to go back and forth between "stereo" and "straight" modes. Both sound good, they simply sound different.

Mits, if you have high speed internet and a simple router (and hopefully relatively close to your 2700) I *highly* recommend you try the internet radio feature. Even if it means temporarily running an RJ45 cable across the floor just to see if you like it. If it is to your liking we'll figure out SOME way of making it permanent for ya.

Some of the feeds sound very good and the variety & selection will blow you away.
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Well since I work nights I dont see yesterday mail till today. I got a envelope from yamaha and low and behold its a firmware update on a flash drive. It says to upload on your computer and then hook it up via the network port. Only problem the letter says it is a fix for the browsing through the windows media player 11. The letter was from Chuck Hill, Supervisor of customer service department. Different person than what I was talking to via email.
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I have a problem connecting my RX-V2700 with my Sony Bravia LCD: both are connected via a HDMI-cable, but when trying to update the HDMI-components connect to the Sony LCD, I get the message that there is no HDMI-device connected. Anyone a clue what's wrong ?

Thanks
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Originally Posted by GCanada View Post

Well since I work nights I dont see yesterday mail till today. I got a envelope from yamaha and low and behold its a firmware update on a flash drive. It says to upload on your computer and then hook it up via the network port. Only problem the letter says it is a fix for the browsing through the windows media player 11. The letter was from Chuck Hill, Supervisor of customer service department. Different person than what I was talking to via email.

That won't be of any help to you.
post #3468 of 5350
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Originally Posted by morriske View Post

I have a problem connecting my RX-V2700 with my Sony Bravia LCD: both are connected via a HDMI-cable, but when trying to update the HDMI-components connect to the Sony LCD, I get the message that there is no HDMI-device connected. Anyone a clue what's wrong ?

Thanks

Could you give more details?
- What device is connected to the 2700 and how is it connected to the 2700?
- If device is connected to the 2700 not via HDMI, did you turn on upscaling to output via HDMI?
- Have you ever had any device connected directly to the Bravia via HDMI successfully?
- Have you checked Bravia HDMI settings?
- Does Bravia have multiple HDMI inputs? Are you sure you are selecting the correct Bravia HDMI input?
post #3469 of 5350
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Originally Posted by GCanada View Post

Well since I work nights I dont see yesterday mail till today. I got a envelope from yamaha and low and behold its a firmware update on a flash drive. It says to upload on your computer and then hook it up via the network port. Only problem the letter says it is a fix for the browsing through the windows media player 11. The letter was from Chuck Hill, Supervisor of customer service department. Different person than what I was talking to via email.

On a flash drive? What doc. did you get with this. I mean is there a readme that gives you the firmware version, and problems fixed?
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Originally Posted by toby10 View Post


Mits, if you have high speed internet and a simple router (and hopefully relatively close to your 2700) I *highly* recommend you try the internet radio feature. Even if it means temporarily running an RJ45 cable across the floor just to see if you like it. If it is to your liking we'll figure out SOME way of making it permanent for ya.

Some of the feeds sound very good and the variety & selection will blow you away.

The Y automatically searches and finds these stations? I know I can buy 250 ft of terminated ethernet cable from Lowes for about $40 (I think). My cable modem is in an upstairs room above the garage. However, I recently had a new mini split heat pump put in, and they created a pathway down to the crawl space from behind the kneewall attic, so if I really really wanted to I could find a way. What distance will my cable modem-router support ? What's available by way of stations?
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Originally Posted by mits7372 View Post

The Y automatically searches and finds these stations? I know I can buy 250 ft of terminated ethernet cable from Lowes for about $40 (I think). My cable modem is in an upstairs room above the garage. However, I recently had a new mini split heat pump put in, and they created a pathway down to the crawl space from behind the kneewall attic, so if I really really wanted to I could find a way. What distance will my cable modem-router support ? What's available by way of stations?

Well, for starters I'd look for 250' ethernet cable from monoprice.com. I'd bet Lowes is a LOT more than 40.00 for 250 feet. I returned my 100 foot ethernet cable to Lowes in favor of monoprice's 100 foot for about 75% less money.

The (approximate) 2,000 internet radio stations are pre-set into the Yamaha and updated (additions, deletions) via the Yamaha server. When you connect to the internet radio section within Net/USB you are actually connecting to the Yamaha online server.

I don't think 250 feet is too far for ethernet. Though, at that length, you may want to consider Cat6 over Cat5 (better shielding, higher mhz rating) for not much more money. You may also need a cheap ethernet hub ($ 20.00 at Best Buy, probably $ 5.00 at monoprice) to connect multiple (up to four) ethernet devices to your cable modem's one ethernet port. Unless your cable modem has two ethernet outs.
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Originally Posted by toby10 View Post

You may also need a cheap ethernet hub ($ 20.00 at Best Buy, probably $ 5.00 at monoprice) to connect multiple (up to four) ethernet devices to your cable modem's one ethernet port. Unless your cable modem has two ethernet outs.

Won't need hub, have the router with empty ports. So how much do you think you have in it (just for the cable)? I am not anxious to crawl into the knee wall attic, not much space there, to run cable. Also, if the cable is not terminated, I wouldn't know how to splice and attach connectors. If it is terminated, I have to get the right length. There is a wireless Linksys bridge. The older model (used) is still on sale at Amazon for $45, the replacement is $89. From reading the reviews by customers, not altogether sure if it's fast enough.
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Originally Posted by mits7372 View Post

Won't need hub, have the router with empty ports. So how much do you think you have in it (just for the cable)? I am not anxious to crawl into the knee wall attic, not much space there, to run cable. Also, if the cable is not terminated, I wouldn't know how to splice and attach connectors. If it is terminated, I have to get the right length. There is a wireless Linksys bridge. The older model (used) is still on sale at Amazon for $45, the replacement is $89. From reading the reviews by customers, not altogether sure if it's fast enough.

monoprice.com, RJ45, 350 mhz, Cat5e, black, terminated:

100 foot = $ 11.78
50 foot = $ 6.38

Looks like 100' is as long as they go without having to get into bulk cable. You could do 2x100 ft and 1x50 ft and use the RJ45 couplers they sell for 0.45 cents each. These same couplers sell for OVER 6.00 each at Radio Shack, Lowes, Best Buy, etc....

Lowes shows 250 ft, Cat5e terminated at 49.97 which isn't too bad. You may want to go this route (no couplers, single wire). Bit more money but you won't have shipping costs and can be easily returned. This is what I did to just "try" the internet radio to see if I would like it, then returned the Lowes cable in favor of monoprice (which is black also, Lowes is grey). I just ran the original cable right over the floor, down the stairs, etc... to try it for a week before actually installing 100 foot Cat5e cable (it's a project). But I was hooked and had to have it!

Wireless may work fine for you, or it could be an absolute nightmare! Ya don't know until you try it. I always avoid wireless when possible (security settings, mac filtering, WEP, WPA, slower connections, possible audio drops) but then others swear they have no troubles. It's just not my thing.

Even if you did a wireless bridge, you would also need a wireless access point for the bridge to talk to. Do you have a Linksys (or like) wireless router? Or just a cable modem?

What types of music genre's would be of interest to you? I'll do a quick check on the 2700's internet radio offerings in such genre's to give you an idea of just how many stations are listed.
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I havent had a chance to check out the flash drive yet. I did how ever just enjoy an entire movie on HD-DVD with flawless play. I took my floor fan and laid it on its side blowing on the 2700. Heat seems to be the problem causer. Its not in a cabinet though. It has a glass shelf that I can stack my hands on top of each other for top clearence and nothing on the sides. I wouldnt mind getting fans for it if there was a quiter set up. I'd hate to see how this performs in a cabinet environment.
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I have a laptop cooler attached with velcro on the shelf above my 2700 blowing down. It seems to help with cooling. I have the cooler connected through my bell 9200 usb for power.
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Originally Posted by zehnd View Post

I have a laptop cooler attached with velcro on the shelf above my 2700 blowing down. It seems to help with cooling. I have the cooler connected through my bell 9200 usb for power.

I have a similar cooling system, but mine is two pc fans connected to the wire shelf BELOW the 2700 blowing air UP through the bottom of 2700 and exhausting out the top.

I was warned against doing exactly what you are doing (blowing air down into unit) in this very forum. But if it is working for ya, all is good.
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Originally Posted by GCanada View Post

I havent had a chance to check out the flash drive yet. I did how ever just enjoy an entire movie on HD-DVD with flawless play. I took my floor fan and laid it on its side blowing on the 2700. Heat seems to be the problem causer. Its not in a cabinet though. It has a glass shelf that I can stack my hands on top of each other for top clearence and nothing on the sides. I wouldnt mind getting fans for it if there was a quiter set up. I'd hate to see how this performs in a cabinet environment.

I have both a 2700 and a Denon 4806CI and both units run hot as hell EVEN in the open air!

I have tried and quite satisfied with this unit:

http://www.smarthome.com/8734f1.html
Keep in mind, you want to pull hot air AWAY from the unit NOT toward it!
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Originally Posted by toby10 View Post

I don't think 250 feet is too far for ethernet. Though, at that length, you may want to consider Cat6 over Cat5 (better shielding, higher mhz rating) for not much more money. You may also need a cheap ethernet hub ($ 20.00 at Best Buy, probably $ 5.00 at monoprice) to connect multiple (up to four) ethernet devices to your cable modem's one ethernet port. Unless your cable modem has two ethernet outs.


The ethernet standard for maximum cable length is 100 meters (330 ft.).
Cat5 cable should be fine as it good for up to 100Mbit (which should be fine for your receiver). Cat6 is good for up to 1000 Mbit (1 Gigabyte) which is more that you need. Especially since you are limited by your cable modem or DSL connection. By the way, this ethernet cable is UTP (unshielded twisted pair) so their is no shielding. Just an FYI. No being a smarta** but I do computer networks for a living.
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Originally Posted by indyfred View Post

The ethernet standard for maximum cable length is 100 meters (330 ft.).
Cat5 cable should be fine as it good for up to 100Mbit (which should be fine for your receiver). Cat6 is good for up to 1000 Mbit (1 Gigabyte) which is more that you need. Especially since you are limited by your cable modem or DSL connection. By the way, this ethernet cable is UTP (unshielded twisted pair) so their is no shielding. Just an FYI. No being a smarta** but I do computer networks for a living.

On the contrary, it's good to know.
post #3480 of 5350
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Originally Posted by GCanada View Post

I did how ever just enjoy an entire movie on HD-DVD with flawless play. I took my floor fan and laid it on its side blowing on the 2700. Heat seems to be the problem causer.

I don't think you have proven it's heat until you've shown that different HD movies will die out on you when the fan is not on and won't when it is. I think HD players have been known to be fickle with certain DVD's. I don't have an HD player. My 2700 is on the bottom row of an open shelf but it only has 3-4" clearance above it. I will keep closer tabs on it this weekend, but I haven't noticed any excessive heat. again that could depend on what's playing..
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