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post #5161 of 5236
10/13/12 at 9:59am
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Originally Posted by HTaddiction View Post

Hitting info on ps3 shows 7.1 channel audio being sent, but signal input on the 2700 comes up as 5.1. Surround backs receive no sound unless I engage Pro Logic or other SB decoders. Is the 2700 limited to 5.1 discrete mpcm no matter the source? Seems I should be getting 7.1 discrete channels.....any owners out there available to help

Check the PS3 audio output settings to make sure 7.1 is enabled as an option. The PS3 info showing 7.1 may only mean it's reading the 7.1 track, rather than actually outputting 7.1.
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post #5162 of 5236
10/13/12 at 11:19am
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

Check the PS3 audio output settings to make sure 7.1 is enabled as an option. The PS3 info showing 7.1 may only mean it's reading the 7.1 track, rather than actually outputting 7.1.

Thank you....Problem solved. I had the audio multi-output engaged on the slim which down mixed the 7.1 to 5.1. I shoulda figured it was something simple rolleyes.gif
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post #5163 of 5236
10/31/12 at 11:30am
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Originally Posted by jgyenese View Post


Here are the specifics...


Follow the directions to install Device Installer, Lantronix redirector and the adapter, and assign the adapter an IP address as appropriate for your network. The redirector will give Receiver Manager access to the adapter by creating a virtual com port, but it won't be able to talk to the receiver because the adapter settings must match the receiver serial port setting. This is done in the Device Server configuration utility by clicking on "Web Configuration" in the redirector configuration tool.


In Device Server configuration, click "Serial Settings" under Channel 1 on the left hand side. Adjust settings like this:

Protocol: RS232

Baud Rate: 9600

Flow Control: CTS/RTS (Hardware)

Data Bits: 8

Parity: None

Stop Bits: 1

Enable Packing: Unchecked

All Flush Mode items = No

Click OK


Click "Connection" under Channel 1 on the left side and adjust settings like this:

Protocol: TCP

Accept Incoming: Yes

Password Required: No

Active Connect: With Start Character

Start Character: 0D

Modem Mode: None

MDM esc pass thru: Yes

Leave all others at default and click OK.


Click Cofigurable Pins on left side and set pins like this:

CP 0: Flow Control out (CTS)

CP 1: General Purpos I/O (Input, Low)

CP2: Flow Control In (RTS)

Click OK.


Click Apply Settings on left side, wait several seconds for device to restart and give receiver manager a try.


There, wasn't that easy?

My remote for the 1700 has half died and i can no longer access the menu with the remote and i have not found a way to access it using the buttons on the receiver itself either. I'm now stuck with a 7.1 receiver that only does 2 channels, so brought the Lantronix RS232 ethernet adapter to use the GUI on the PC. The 232 is plugged directly into the 1700 and i have run a cat6 cable from the adapter to my wireless router. Installed all of the software and set all of the settings as above however when i open up the Lantronix Device installer i get a message "No serial ports were found on this pc" It then shows up with a wireless network icon then the X-port03/04 icon. If i double click on that the device details tab comes up with all data ok. If i then click on the web configuration tab it starts searching then stalls out and stops progress.

Any idea how to fix this, ant help appreciated.
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post #5164 of 5236
12/13/12 at 8:34pm
How "hard" is the crossover setting in the 2700 supposed to be? The manual says "all frequencies below the selected frequency will be sent to the subwoofer or to the speakers set to 'Large'". But this definitely doesn't seem to be the case.

I have the crossover set to 80hz. I have the fronts set to "small". I have all EQ and Tone Control flat. I have the "bass out" set to "subwoofer". Mode is "straight". But with my subwoofer muted, I still hear tones from the fronts down to the 40hz tone on the HSU test mp3. Even with the crossover set at the highest, 200hz, my fronts don't go silent until the 53hz tone.

I did a full factory reset to make sure there were no weird settings I was overlooking somewhere, then set everything back to the settings above and there's no change.

There were two posts back in 2009 from a guy in this thread with the same issue but it doesn't look like he ever got an answer.
Edited by curttard - 12/13/12 at 11:47pm
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post #5165 of 5236
12/14/12 at 5:53am
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Originally Posted by curttard View Post

How "hard" is the crossover setting in the 2700 supposed to be? The manual says "all frequencies below the selected frequency will be sent to the subwoofer or to the speakers set to 'Large'". But this definitely doesn't seem to be the case...

From the specs near the back of the manual, the filter slope is 12dB/octave for the main speakers. So one octave below the crossover (40Hz for an 80Hz crossover) the signal sent to the mains is reduced by 12dB.

This is why a lot of people set their crossover too low --- they mistakenly think it should be set to the bottom of the frequency range quoted for their main speakers, but they really need to set it significantly higher to avoid a hole in the bass.
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post #5166 of 5236
12/14/12 at 5:59am
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Originally Posted by ls1lj View Post

My remote for the 1700 has half died and i can no longer access the menu with the remote and i have not found a way to access it using the buttons on the receiver itself either. I'm now stuck with a 7.1 receiver that only does 2 channels, so brought the Lantronix RS232 ethernet adapter to use the GUI on the PC.

Receiver Manager for the 1700 works over RS-232, so you don't need an ethernet to serial adapter you just need a serial port on your PC (and a serial cable to the receiver). If your PC has no serial port, the device you want is a USB to serial adapter that will effectively add a serial port that Receiver Manager can use.
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post #5167 of 5236
12/14/12 at 7:51am
So there's no way to stop the fronts from putting out bass? It seems like it's muddying things up having the fronts and the sub do all that 80-60 together.
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post #5168 of 5236
12/14/12 at 9:29am
There's no setting that uses a sharp cutoff for the main speakers, but I think you need the gradual cutoff to make them blend well with the sub. You should also make sure that the sub and mains are in phase at the crossover frequency.
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post #5169 of 5236
12/16/12 at 9:54am
Thanks.

Anyone have an opinion on whether these YPAO mics can be trusted, or whether it'll be some lousy knockoff that will give me poor results? My RX-V2700 was a donation from a friend and I don't have the mic, but would love to have it calibrate the EQ (from what I've read it's a bit iffy on most things, but good on the EQ?).

Edit: Nevermind, just realized the mics are model specific, so those would be a crapshoot. Found the right part at Best Buy Part Store, although $30 for a one-time use is kind of annoying.
Edited by curttard - 12/16/12 at 10:25am
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post #5170 of 5236
12/17/12 at 12:51pm
Hello Fellow Yamaha RX-1700/2700 owners.

I have had the 2700 for quite a few years, not really using it to its full capabilities but I do use the extra zones.

Anyways back to my question.

I am having trouble with the LFE out, my sub does not detect any signal from the receiver.

A little back story, I had an amp go out in the sub and through trial and tribulations I messed with a bunch of the settings related to the sub in the reciever with the tech support guy at eD and I think instead of trying to get everything back to normal through the menus I was just wanting to do a factory reset on the unit or at least blow out the custom speaker options and such.

has anyone had trouble with their LFE on these units?

PS. I tested the sub by plugging my phone directly into it and it gets a signal just fine that way.
Edited by maxpower2078 - 12/17/12 at 12:57pm
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post #5171 of 5236
12/18/12 at 7:08am
Do you have the front speakers set as SMALL? If not, nothing goes to the sub unless you play something with a dedicated LFE track.
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post #5172 of 5236
12/18/12 at 1:21pm
That is good to know, I will change that. I did get a signal when I cranked the LFE up 10db but doesn't seem as loud as it should be comparing it to before with the old AMP. They are rated at the same wattage.

The other thing is I am getting a lot of feedback that I don't think I should so I have to figure that out too. I have used the RCA that is going through the wall and a different one connected a few feet away
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post #5173 of 5236
12/19/12 at 8:22am
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Originally Posted by maxpower2078 View Post

That is good to know, I will change that. I did get a signal when I cranked the LFE up 10db but doesn't seem as loud as it should be comparing it to before with the old AMP. They are rated at the same wattage.
The other thing is I am getting a lot of feedback that I don't think I should so I have to figure that out too. I have used the RCA that is going through the wall and a different one connected a few feet away

As far as the hum, it is probably a ground loop. I am not using the same power cord as before but I have a feeling it was a cheaper cord without a ground or the sub connection didn't have a ground on it and the new one does. Either way, I need to figure that part out but that's not the Receivers fault
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post #5174 of 5236
12/20/12 at 3:20pm
Okay, got my YPAO mic today. As everyone else has noted, it's a bit goofy with some settings; it set my fronts to Large and the crossover to 200hz and was way off on the distance of my L surround and Sub.

So, when I correct these settings manually, do I need to re-run YPAO with Distance and Size un-checked? Will it take my new manual settings into account and make different corrections? Or do I run YPAO, let it do it's thing, make my manual changes and then leave it alone?

I notice most people say it sets the sub level too low; with the volume on my sub itself at -13db, YPAO set the sub level at 0 and honestly if anything it might sound a bit loud. Unusual? I wouldn't have said I prefer lower bass as a rule by any means.
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post #5175 of 5236
12/23/12 at 9:38pm
Also, the receiver shuts off at random points when I'm watching movies with the volume pretty cranked. When I turn it back on I get the "check sp wires" message. All wires are secure. Is this just an overload protection thing and I just have to turn it down? Is there any way to shake the house and not have it shut off?
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post #5176 of 5236
12/24/12 at 2:17am
Curttard,
Is it in a well ventilated area? Try placing a fan near it to see if heat is the issue? What db level of volume is displayed when it happens?
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post #5177 of 5236
12/24/12 at 8:59am
Ventilation is not great. The cabinet is closed in the front but the back is open. I want to say volume was at +4db or possibly as high as +7.
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post #5178 of 5236
12/24/12 at 11:43am
Well, I'd try some temporary and simple ventilation and cooling (small fan) methods as a fist step in diagnostics.
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post #5179 of 5236
12/27/12 at 10:03am
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Originally Posted by curttard View Post

Okay, got my YPAO mic today. As everyone else has noted, it's a bit goofy with some settings; it set my fronts to Large and the crossover to 200hz and was way off on the distance of my L surround and Sub.
So, when I correct these settings manually, do I need to re-run YPAO with Distance and Size un-checked? Will it take my new manual settings into account and make different corrections? Or do I run YPAO, let it do it's thing, make my manual changes and then leave it alone?
I notice most people say it sets the sub level too low; with the volume on my sub itself at -13db, YPAO set the sub level at 0 and honestly if anything it might sound a bit loud. Unusual? I wouldn't have said I prefer lower bass as a rule by any means.

I used my YPAO and mine did the same as yours. My crossover was set at 200. I changed it to 160. What did you change yours to?

I have small set for both fronts and surrounds, large for center channel.

I also had to update the distance, but it wasn't that far off.
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post #5180 of 5236
12/30/12 at 11:54am
Hi i can't seem to find the official RX-V1600 thread so I am posting here in hopes some of you may be familiar with it. My question Is when I use the ypao auto calibration and it sets all speaker levels when I go back and check the levels manually with my spl meter all speakers read 70db. In the manual it says when setting levels manually set them to 75db which is what I want. What i have been doing is resetting them to 75 with my meter but I would like to know why the auto calibration sets them to 70 db? Also is there anything wrong with having all the speakers at positive db values like +6.0 db?
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post #5181 of 5236
12/30/12 at 12:05pm
When you check levels manually with the test tones, the master volume control makes a difference. Are you testing with the volume at 0.0dB ?

In the end it's fine as long as the speakers are all balanced, the absolute volume doesn't matter on the 1600. You can raise the levels if you want so that 0.0dB on the master volume gives you 75dB on the meter, but the meter (and the YPAO mic) could be inaccurate by a few dB anyway so who's to say which is correct?
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post #5182 of 5236
12/30/12 at 12:16pm
Yes when i go to the test tones to check manually the receiver automatically is at 0 unless i change it. My spl meter says all the speakers are pretty much exactly 70 db. Would my meter be exactly 5 db off?
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post #5183 of 5236
12/30/12 at 6:27pm
Uncalibrated meters or mics can easily be off by a couple of dBs. If the YPAO mic reads high and your meter reads low, the combined error could be 5dB. But actually I'm not sure that YPAO on the older models even attempts to set reference level at 0 dB, it may only be designed to equalize all speakers.

On my RX-V1800 (which I set up manually because I didn't like the YPAO result) I ended up with 75dB from the test tones at -3dB on the master volume (at least according to my Radio Shack meter), and I had no real reason to change it.
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post #5184 of 5236
12/30/12 at 6:39pm
What are you guys setting your crossover to? The auto set mine to 200, which is too high. I changed it to 160 and it sounds much better. I'm just curious what you guys set yours to.

Thanks!
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post #5185 of 5236
12/30/12 at 7:31pm
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Originally Posted by SwitchbladeHD View Post

What are you guys setting your crossover to? The auto set mine to 200, which is too high. I changed it to 160 and it sounds much better. I'm just curious what you guys set yours to.

It all depends on what speakers you've got. The 1700 and 2700 only support a single global crossover, so the smallest speaker (typically the surrounds, not the fronts) will determine where you should set the crossover. What do you have?
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post #5186 of 5236
12/31/12 at 6:56pm
are HDMI ports interchangable between Yamaha AVRs?

I've been reading about the RX-V2700 heat issues which ruins the HDMI ports
can the RX-V465 (even though it has 4 ports and is mounted in the case horizontalley compared to verticalley on the 2700) HDMI ports be swaped into a RX-V2700?
Thanks STB
Edited by stevethebrain - 12/31/12 at 7:05pm
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post #5187 of 5236
12/31/12 at 7:09pm
No, the 465 and 2700 are very different designs and the circuit boads are not interchangable.
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post #5188 of 5236
12/31/12 at 7:19pm
I was thinking the ports just plug into the main broad.

so when the 2700 overheats it not only ruins the port but the intire main broad?

actualley the inputs are OK it's the one output that is fualty. the rest of the unit is said to be functionale.

Doe's Yamaha sell internal parts like the HDMI port to regular people?


is it possiable to use the 465 as a preamp then connect it into the 2700 and use the 2700s amps for the speakers?
Thanks STB
Edited by stevethebrain - 12/31/12 at 7:29pm
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post #5189 of 5236
12/31/12 at 9:25pm
I'm not sure which part has failed, but the HDMI connectors that you see on the back are soldered onto one of the circuit boards, they don't just plug in. Here's a link to the service manual for the 2700, if that helps.

And the 465 doesn't have pre-amp outputs.
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post #5190 of 5236
1/1/13 at 5:36am
Install simple & inexpensive cooling solutions to prevent overheating, HDMI or otherwise.
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