AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › Plasma Flat Panel Displays › Hitachi FLICKER Issue...Good/Bad News
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Hitachi FLICKER Issue...Good/Bad News - Page 2

post #31 of 2570
How widespread is this issue really? I'm curious. How many own this set and have absolutely no problems whatsoever, but never visit chat boards and state so.

Most of the time you hear more of the problems rather than the good. Most defect rates on electronics are 3 - 5 %. Is it "possible" you guys are falling into that percent rather than it being an epidemic? If it was an epidemic, wouldn't there be an official statement/recall/fix out there?

I'm also going based on recent complaints about the Xbox 360 and how its "defective", yet I've had one since launch with no problems as like 95-97% of the other owners.

Comments?
post #32 of 2570
Quote:
Originally Posted by metalsaber View Post

How widespread is this issue really? I'm curious. How many own this set and have absolutely no problems whatsoever, but never visit chat boards and state so.

Most of the time you hear more of the problems rather than the good. Most defect rates on electronics are 3 - 5 %. Is it "possible" you guys are falling into that percent rather than it being an epidemic? If it was an epidemic, wouldn't there be an official statement/recall/fix out there?

I'm also going based on recent complaints about the Xbox 360 and how its "defective", yet I've had one since launch with no problems as like 95-97% of the other owners.

Comments?

I think someone (who is experiencing flicker) should create a poll to see how many readers here have no flicker(or not anymore after contrast adjustment).

I have had absolutely no problems with my 42HDX62A after 60 hours of watching. It is a beautiful set and am 99% keeping it after the 30 days expire. These flicker stories do not bother me. I think all plasmas have their "flicker" issue albeit in a different way shape or form. Plus get this...the flicker happens only in certani scenes so i dunno what this brouhaha is all about.
post #33 of 2570
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by metalsaber View Post

How widespread is this issue really? I'm curious. How many own this set and have absolutely no problems whatsoever, but never visit chat boards and state so.

Most of the time you hear more of the problems rather than the good. Most defect rates on electronics are 3 - 5 %. Is it "possible" you guys are falling into that percent rather than it being an epidemic? If it was an epidemic, wouldn't there be an official statement/recall/fix out there?

I'm also going based on recent complaints about the Xbox 360 and how its "defective", yet I've had one since launch with no problems as like 95-97% of the other owners.

Comments?

Well, this might be the rub: maybe guys who don't visit boards, in other words perhaps casual viewers as opposed to hobbyist or enthusiasts, don't really care that much about a slight, perceived flicker. Hard to say I guess. Trust me, I come from the audiophile world where enthusiasts will fight to the death over perceived differences in how cables sound, so...I think people, for the most part, in a forum like this, are just more demanding of their equipment.

CD
post #34 of 2570
Quote:
Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Well, this might be the rub: maybe guys who don't visit boards, in other words perhaps casual viewers as opposed to hobbyist or enthusiasts, don't really care that much about a slight, perceived flicker. Hard to say I guess. Trust me, I come from the audiophile world where enthusiasts will fight to the death over perceived differences in how cables sound, so...I think people, for the most part, in a forum like this, are just more demanding of their equipment.

CD

'

I am more demanding on equipment when i spend 5k on a TV. 6 months ago I didnt know what HDMI was. Now I am totally caught up on all that stuff, but dont consider myself hardcore......(or....with 4 TVs in the house, maybe I am?). I just want what anyone wants, a flicker free tv.

Remeber, this is a model that just came out in the last couple months - I got mine 3 weeks ago & it was the first the store got. So with time, they may hear more....

I too thought the flicker was just on the 69 series, but I have the 79 and I have it too.


What I did this afternoon with my settings that did seem to almost shutdown the flicker all together. Its still there, but not as obvious, in case I have an Audiophile visit today

contrast - 51%
colour - 53%
brightness - 59%

dark enhancement - low (to compensate for the higher brightness)

I am thinking more brightness, than contrast affects (?).
post #35 of 2570
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by puchall1 View Post

'

I am more demanding on equipment when i spend 5k on a TV

That's kind of where I am on my 42HDS69 right now. It's in the Living Room, up above the fireplace; the flicker is much more noticeable on DVD than STB. In a year, this set will only be used for STB and maybe the most casual DVD viewing, as my wife and I plan to construct a dedicated HT (I was hoping to do it for this Fall, but we just made the decision it would either cost us a ton of money to get it up in a hurry, or we could take a year and try to do as much DIY as we can). For the 2k I spent on this set, and the general state of flat panels these days (I'm convinced you have to give up SOMETHING for the convenience of hanging the thing on the wall...lol), I think I'm willing to hold on to this set. Now, when I have to pick out a 10k projector, that's when the real hand-wringing starts.

CD
post #36 of 2570
Now that i better understand this flicker you are referring to, i dont think we have this on either of our display sets. I would have noticed it by now. One is playing a dvd and the other is getting a satelite hd feed.
post #37 of 2570
Quote:
Originally Posted by NemesisCBR View Post

Now that i better understand this flicker you are referring to, i dont think we have this on either of our display sets. I would have noticed it by now. One is playing a dvd and the other is getting a satelite hd feed.

I hope I'm in the same boat. I played some Dark scenes just to see and didn't notice anything unusual.
post #38 of 2570
Quote:
Originally Posted by NemesisCBR View Post

Now that i better understand this flicker you are referring to, i dont think we have this on either of our display sets. I would have noticed it by now. One is playing a dvd and the other is getting a satelite hd feed.


Just curious..... what TV? What firmware version.....how many hours are on those TV's?

What are your settings? These TVs are programmed in Torch mode, meaning the contrast is set to 100% out of the box. Most people will cut that in half to stop burnin.

Also, lets put these showroom TVs out of the bright lights......into a dark basement like mine, I bet you'll see different.

Also, thats another thing people wonder, does it go away with time? We wonder
post #39 of 2570
Quote:
Originally Posted by puchall1 View Post

Also, thats another thing people wonder, does it go away with time? We wonder

Thats what I don't understand , people who have had last years models must have experienced the flicker issue but don't leave any feedback as to what happened after time, did it go away? did it go away and come back? or did it just fade where it's almost not noticable anymore? did they do something to fix this or are they just living with it. Answers to these question would be very helpful to a lot of people yet none are fothcoming.
post #40 of 2570
Based on CDLehner's problem, its a drastically noticeable flicker. I go back to work on wednesday and i will turn down the sets contrast and stare at it for a while. They are in torch mode but i have turned down the contrast pretty low, however only briefly and noticed nothing. The original 'flicker' i thought was associated with our display is not the problem you guys are having. I notice up close that the pixels dont stay dark or black but rather shift between colors in a dark shade. Not something i see from viewing distance but its not visible on the other brands like on this hitachi.

Our 55" HDS has the lights above it turned off and we're going to do a similar setup throughout the rest of our displays, hopefully enogh to make a difference.
post #41 of 2570
What is latest firmware version ?

I have 55hdt79 with v110.0001 loaded.

I have tech coming tommorow to check this out......
post #42 of 2570
Thread Starter 
Guys, I know this thread is going on ad nauseam and has become somewhat of an AVS joke, but I will continue to post to the thread if I think I have any information that can help others. That being said, I did my first calibration last night; I always start with Avia, as I find DVE to be more thorough, but also more daunting. Worked at night, with very little to no ambient light, setting up my Night mode levels. I'll post them in a minute, but first let me share a few observations:

- The first thing I couldn't help but notice, and it wasn't the first time, but on my set, flicker absolutely does not occur when the picture is paused; the image is steady, even on test patterns that displayed the blackest blacks. Now, what I did notice...entirely by accident...is this: on my DVD player, if you press pause, a white pause symbol comes up on the screen and then goes away after about 5 seconds. OK...so I had a completely black screen, I pressed pause, which put the WHITE pause symbol in the image, and then, when it passed, you could see the still dark image, steadily, shift degrees of darkness. Let me elaborate:

The image was entirely black, I pressed pause...which created an image of all black, with a white pause symbol in the upper right-hand corner of the panel. When the pause went away, and the white was eliminated from the image, the panel, UNIFORMLY, shifted its Contrast down; the whole panel went dark, darker, darker still, like 4 Contrast level shifts down , to account for the absence of the white in the image. IMO this has got to be by design, as it was too uniform to be a defect, and it makes sense as either an Auto Contrast feature, which I have heard this set may have, or as an inherent function of the ALiS panels (Alternate Lighting of Surfaces).

In any case, after basic calibration, here are the settings I settled on for the moment:

(I was actually NEVER able to make the white bars disappear in the Avia Contrast test, even maxed out at 100%, so Contrast was set at my discretion and I settled at)
Contrast 50%
Brightness 53%
Color 29%
Tint 2 steps down towards red
Sharpness 30%
Color Temp STD
Black Enhancement Low
Contrast Mode Normal (has anyone found any situation where Dynamic looks good?)
Noise Reduction Off (I can see no noticeable difference in any mode other than High, and that seems to soften the picture a bit to me)

After dialing in, my wife and I watched a smattering of movies: Fifth Element, Seven, Forrest Gump, West Wing; the PQ ranged from very good to great, depending on the title and pressing. Early on I had some of the most pronounced flicker, with Contrast set too low, but since I've dialed the set in, with Contrast and Brightness at a more reasonable setting for normal viewing, the set has looked nothing short of amazing and I can only notice a slight "flicker" or wavering of blacks in the toughest of scenes (saw just a little waver during certain dark scenes in Seven, of which there are many; my wife, who could always see them before, when it was really pronounced, cannot even see the small ones now). And I've always had more trouble seeing the issue on my STB, which is native 1080i, which means it looks even better to me than my 480p DVD.

I'm going to register the issue with Hitachi, just in case I ever need to remedy it in the future. I'll upgrade my firmware, just for good measure (I'm currently at v0110.001), but I think I'm done solving this mystery. Please, feel free to e-mail me and I'll offer my help in any way I can.

CD
post #43 of 2570
Using the quick calibration DVD from CC, my settings are very similar:
Contrast 56
Brightness 58
Sharpness 30
Color 30
Tint 2 Steps up
Color Temp Normal
Black Enhancement Low
Contrast Mode Normal

I'm not noticing any flicker now.
post #44 of 2570
Quote:
Originally Posted by metalsaber View Post

Using the quick calibration DVD from CC, my settings are very similar:
Contrast 56
Brightness 58
Sharpness 30
Color 30
Tint 2 Steps up
Color Temp Normal
Black Enhancement Low
Contrast Mode Normal

I'm not noticing any flicker now.

I had my settings like this, it was better for flicker issue........but again all these settings (especially low black enhancemnt) are just masking the problem. I saw flicker on Bourne Supremecy no problems.......I have a tech coming tommorrow, I see what he says....
post #45 of 2570


Damn, I think they think I am nuts. I showed LOTHR, The Grudge, King Kong, Friday Night Lights.....

Maybe this is a breakin thing, they said they see it, but it wasnt doing the same amount as when I had the saleman over.

One tech mentioned its probably the lamp (?) in the back or something.

They also said they havent had any complaints ...... ?

Anyway, they said they will contact Hitachi etc. I am sure they got in the van and just laughed like Monkeys.

I think I am going to check myself into the nut- house.

post #46 of 2570
Quote:
Originally Posted by puchall1 View Post

I had my settings like this, it was better for flicker issue........but again all these settings (especially low black enhancemnt) are just masking the problem. I saw flicker on Bourne Supremecy no problems.......I have a tech coming tommorrow, I see what he says....

So when you saw flicker while watching Bourne Supremecy, you had the settings about what I stated above?

If so, then sounds like a problem. Star Wars Ep. III Mustafar looked awesome with no flicker. That was pretty dark along with bright spots.
post #47 of 2570
Quote:
Originally Posted by metalsaber View Post

How widespread is this issue really? I'm curious. How many own this set and have absolutely no problems whatsoever, but never visit chat boards and state so.

Most of the time you hear more of the problems rather than the good. Most defect rates on electronics are 3 - 5 %. Is it "possible" you guys are falling into that percent rather than it being an epidemic? If it was an epidemic, wouldn't there be an official statement/recall/fix out there?

I'm also going based on recent complaints about the Xbox 360 and how its "defective", yet I've had one since launch with no problems as like 95-97% of the other owners.

Comments?

Your assuming that its a defect? What I know from reading this board for quite awhile, its a feature what some members say. Some call it the "Dynamic Contrast Feature". Thats why this will effect more than your 3-5 percent. Also CD wrote from your owners manual about bright spots I suggest you look at your manual. Also what I've read from here that the effect will be more or less pronounced from panel to panel. If you dig in the archives its all here to find out all about it. Of course these are my opinions, and trying to fiqure this out like the rest of you.

Now I will be like Kramer and shut-up starting "NOW".
post #48 of 2570
Anyone else have any more flicker news? upgrades, setup fixes etc?
post #49 of 2570
post #50 of 2570
Quote:
One tech mentioned its probably the lamp (?) in the back or something.

If he was referring to a lamp, as in room-lighting lamps (plasmas have no backlight like LCDs), then this may not be as far-fetched as it sounds.

If you're using fluorescent lighting or dimmers in your viewing area, that could be contributing to your sensation of flicker or general difficulty or eye fatigue in watching the picture.

The flicker on current fluorescent bulbs is supposed to be of such high frequency that the human eye shouldn't be able to detect it. But I still find it more fatiguing to my own eyes than incandescent lighting. Wish there were some other options for 6500k background lighting that had no flicker at all.

Dimmers also work by rapidly cycling a light on and off (at 60Hz?). So I wouldn't recommend using them for TV viewing either.

You really need some sort of ambient or background lighting though, both to reduce eye strain and help with the sense of depth on the display. Natural daylight works well of course. In terms of artificial lighting, incandescents (sans dimmers) are probably gonna be among the easiest on the eyes flicker-wise, but they may negatively effect your perception of the color on the display to a degree.

"Reveal" bulbs and others like them (ie the incandescent bulbs that look sort of blue) will give you slightly whiter lighting than regular incandescents, but they seem to burn much hotter than regular incandescents and fluorescents, so I wouldn't advise sticking one behind a plasma (or near any flammable objects or curtains), because of the additional heat it would generate, not to mention the increased fire hazard.

Might see if anyone else has other ideas on this subject in the Bias Lighting thread.
post #51 of 2570
Quote:
Originally Posted by ADU View Post

My 2c on the subject fwiw

So what in a nutshell are you saying, crank the contrast for the flicker? What are your easy suggestions......for tweaking. Is this flicker here to stay?

Hitachi 55hdt79 BTw.

post #52 of 2570
Quote:
Originally Posted by ADU View Post

If he was referring to a lamp, as in room-lighting lamps (plasmas have no backlight like LCDs), then this may not be as far-fetched as it sounds.

If you're using fluorescent lighting or dimmers in your viewing area, that could be contributing to your sensation of flicker or general difficulty or eye fatigue in watching the picture.

The flicker on current fluorescent bulbs is supposed to be of such high frequency that the human eye shouldn't be able to detect it. But I still find it more fatiguing to my own eyes than incandescent lighting. Wish there were some other options for 6500k background lighting that had no flicker at all.

Dimmers also work by rapidly cycling a light on and off (at 60Hz?). So I wouldn't recommend using them for TV viewing either.

You really need some sort of ambient or background lighting though, both to reduce eye strain and help with the sense of depth on the display. Natural daylight works well of course. In terms of artificial lighting, incandescents (sans dimmers) are probably gonna be among the easiest on the eyes flicker-wise, but they may negatively effect your perception of the color on the display to a degree.

"Reveal" bulbs and others like them (ie the incandescent bulbs that look sort of blue) will give you slightly whiter lighting than regular incandescents, but they seem to burn much hotter than regular incandescents and fluorescents, so I wouldn't advise sticking one behind a plasma (or near any flammable objects or curtains), because of the additional heat it would generate, not to mention the increased fire hazard.

Might see if anyone else has other ideas on this subject in the Bias Lighting thread.

I've read your posts and I couldn't even come close talking technical with you. But I have some questions for you. I had a plasma for three months and had issues of floating blacks or false contour. My plasma was a two piece with a media center. When at the service center, I had to show them what was going on they had the same tv in their showroom. We tested a total of three media centers on there display. Two of them had the "floating blacks and third did not. This tells me the problem is in the electronics. What gives, do you have an idea? Also what do you do, you seem to have alot of knowledge. And you seem very reasonable.

Also is "flicker" different than "floating blacks" or "false contour". And what about Dynamic contrast? Any ideas?
post #53 of 2570
Quote:
Originally Posted by puchall1 View Post

So what in a nutshell are you saying, crank the contrast for the flicker? What are your easy suggestions......for tweaking. Is this flicker here to stay?

Hitachi 55hdt79 BTw.


Based on your other posts I'm assuming you're referring to the fluctuating or floating blacks. I think CDLehner's probably pretty close to the mark in his last post.
Quote:
Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

The image was entirely black, I pressed pause...which created an image of all black, with a white pause symbol in the upper right-hand corner of the panel. When the pause went away, and the white was eliminated from the image, the panel, UNIFORMLY, shifted its Contrast down; the whole panel went dark, darker, darker still, like 4 Contrast level shifts down , to account for the absence of the white in the image. IMO this has got to be by design, as it was too uniform to be a defect, and it makes sense as either an Auto Contrast feature, which I have heard this set may have, or as an inherent function of the ALiS panels (Alternate Lighting of Surfaces).

The contrast fluctuations are the most pronounced by far on my 42HDS69 with the Dynamic Contrast Mode. So first thing I'd do is set that to Normal (if it isn't already). With the Normal Contrast Mode setting I get only minor changes in the black levels, and can only see them with relatively low or no ambient light. Being sort of new to the plasma game, I can't really be certain if these minor fluctuations are by design or not, but as CD mentions, they seem to act is if they are. It looks like they may be intended to elevate the blacks slightly as the average picture level goes up to make shadow detail more discernible, sort of mimicking the behavior of a CRT.

The problem I think many users are having, is that they're trying to watch their displays in ambient surroundings that are too dark. With a decent amount of background illumination, the fluctuations become all but invisible on my 42HDS69, and probably work more as they were intended. So my first couple of recommendations are:

1. SET THE CONTRAST MODE TO NORMAL RATHER THAN DYNAMIC.
2. INCREASE YOUR BACKGROUND ILLUMINATION.

(Try to keep as much ambient or direct light from hitting the screen as possible though, because that will just wash out the contrast.)

My guess is that doing those two things will cure the problem for most people, and it will also improve the sense of depth in the picture.

In terms of Contrast, I'd say just set that to a level that's comfortable for your eyes, given the ambient light in your particular viewing environment.

I'd probably turn off the Black Enhancement, on the outside chance that may contribute to the problem on some displays as well. All those settings really seem to do on the 42HDS69 is crush the black detail. And you can probably get about the same effect by simply lowering Brightness, if you want a little more color depth. (I've been tending to run it a little below THX Optimizer/DVE spec. But not too much.)

That leaves the Day/Night settings. On the 42HDS69, the Day-Normal and Night settings appear to be almost identical (if the other controls are set the same). The Day-Normal setting seems to have a little more edge-enhancement, but that's about it. The Day-Dynamic setting has more enhanced contrast, and it also seems to have the deepest black level, so black level fluctuations may be more noticeable in this mode than the other two. I think the Day-Dynamic setting was intended primarily for Showroom use. It's contrast enhancement may help on some darker scenes though, so it may be worth trying once your background lighting is set to a reasonable level. YMMV.

The only display I can really speak for is the HDS69 btw. So it's quite possible some of this may work differently on the HDT79.

Final note: Don't get the Contrast Modes and Day/Night modes above confused, since they use similar terms (Dynamic and Normal). The Day-Dynamic setting is possibly worth considering, but I would avoid the Dynamic Contrast Mode (which is lower down in the video settings menu). I haven't noticed any pronounced fluctuations in contrast, just some minor "CRT-like" flotation of the blacks since turning the Dynamic Contrast Mode off (ie setting Contrast Mode to Normal), and increasing background lighting. Hopefully that's clear.
post #54 of 2570
Quote:
Originally Posted by ADU View Post


Final note: Don't get the Contrast Modes and Day/Night modes above confused, since they use similar terms (Dynamic and Normal). The Day-Dynamic setting is worth considering IMO, but I would avoid the Dynamic Contrast Mode (which is lower down in the video settings menu). I haven't noticed any flickering in the blacks, just minor CRT-like flotation since turning the Dynamic Contrast Mode off (ie setting Contrast Mode to Normal). Hopefully that's clear.

Adu by default the settings for Day/Dynamic has dynamic contrast enabled, although you can change the settings for all three modes to customize however you like.

Good informative posts by the way.
post #55 of 2570
Quote:


Adu by default the settings for Day/Dynamic has dynamic contrast enabled, although you can change the settings for all three modes to customize however you like.

That's what I was going to say. If you check your settings after changing the tv to "day" mode, the dynamic contrast will be on and your contrast setting will probably be significantly lower than night setting. I have a two year old Hitachi EDTV (not an ALIS panel) which does the same thing as your panels, but the problem was eliminated early on by just changing the tv from "day" to "night" setting.
post #56 of 2570
I've notice "flicker" when I had Dynamic Contrast enabled. When i say flicker, I mean distorted pixelation thats bad. When I have DC set to normal, the only thing I notice sometimes is a slight shift in contrast. Such as a real dark scene starts out black, but if a little light is added to the scene, the contrast appears to automatically adjust, which seems odd, but might be a feature.
post #57 of 2570
Quote:
Originally Posted by metalsaber View Post

I've notice "flicker" when I had Dynamic Contrast enabled. When i say flicker, I mean distorted pixelation thats bad. When I have DC set to normal, the only thing I notice sometimes is a slight shift in contrast. Such as a real dark scene starts out black, but if a little light is added to the scene, the contrast appears to automatically adjust, which seems odd, but might be a feature.


That change of contrast or brightness in dark scenes is the flicker everyone keeps mentioning. Sometimes it is rapid as if it can't make up it's mind or in a scene that is constantly changing brigtness levels. I'm seeing it or noticing it more and more and I'm not liking it. I may be calling Hitachi soon to see if a firmware update will eventually take care of that.
post #58 of 2570
So, I have my 42HDT79 sitting in my room (still in the box) because i'm away until tomorrow but I decided to email Hitachi anyways to let them know about the flickering issue everyone has been complaining about. I provided them with both this threaded discussion about the flickering and the official thread. Hopefully, they'll read what everyone has to say about this and try to fix the issue. Since my set was delivered while I was away, I haven't had the chance to test the flickering issue but I think they should still start working on a fix for the customers who have complained so far.

I also think it will be more effective if everyone with this issue emailed them, it is one thing to call and have them tell you to turn off your contrast and black level but it's another to bombard them with emails about this issue. Eventually, they will forward it to the appropriate people and including this forum will help speed up their responds time (i'm sure they don't want the bad publicity.

So everyone email them (even if you don't see the flickering).
post #59 of 2570
I'll probably email them tonight. Its not deal breaking, but if they can fix it, then this TV would be absolutely perfect.
post #60 of 2570
Quote:
Originally Posted by benso37 View Post

So, I have my 42HDT79 sitting in my room (still in the box) because i'm away until tomorrow but I decided to email Hitachi anyways to let them know about the flickering issue everyone has been complaining about. I provided them with both this threaded discussion about the flickering and the official thread. Hopefully, they'll read what everyone has to say about this and try to fix the issue. Since my set was delivered while I was away, I haven't had the chance to test the flickering issue but I think they should still start working on a fix for the customers who have complained so far.

I also think it will be more effective if everyone with this issue emailed them, it is one thing to call and have them tell you to turn off your contrast and black level but it's another to bombard them with emails about this issue. Eventually, they will forward it to the appropriate people and including this forum will help speed up their responds time (i'm sure they don't want the bad publicity.

So everyone email them (even if you don't see the flickering).

Just thought I'd chime in on this one too. I have a 55HDT79 with about 60-70 hours on it. Like most others, I see the flicker. Spiking up the contrast to 50+ does make a huge improvement. I can still see it on dark films like V for Vendetta, but my wife no longer notices it on regular TV viewing at night. I sent an email off to Hitachi about it and got the standard response about firmware version and dynamic contrast. I wrote back to them again asking for additional fix options, and got what seemed to be a form letter saying my issue was very complicated and could have many potential fixes, so please call them directly. Will get to that next week probably to see what they have to say.

BTW- I work at a company that makes front projectors. Our control systems guy assures me that the flicker is clearly a software issue. The gamma is being stepped up or down based on the brightness of the scene. It is a way of cheating and getting greater bit-depth and deeper blacks. Most (all?) panels do it, but obviously some do it better than others. Hitachi should be able to address this with a firmware update. I'm sure some of us would be okay with slightly less inky blacks in exchange for a stable picture. Just my two cents.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Plasma Flat Panel Displays
AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › Plasma Flat Panel Displays › Hitachi FLICKER Issue...Good/Bad News