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post #301 of 6610
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Originally Posted by swgiust View Post

Question on HDMI set up with a Dish 622. If I use the HDMI cable from Dish
to TV, does the 622 scale everything to 1080i, thus rendering the scaler in
the TV useless?

Is there a setting on the 622 so that HD comes across 1080i but standard
TV comes in 480i?

Most TV's will not do anything to a 1080i signal (other than convert to 1080p)
were the same TV will scale a 480i signal.

Not if you have it set to 720P.

Once you get your aspect ratio correct, 16:9, 4:3(1) or 4:3(2), try using the 720P output from the 622 and compare between that and 1080I. I found the 720P to be better for my 61" Pro units. I still personally believe the JVCs do a better job of scaling than they do de-interlacing.

I use an Audio Authority video matrix switching system and most of the other displays in my home are 768P, so the 720P setting on the 622 mates perfectly with those.

Chris

Chris
post #302 of 6610
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Originally Posted by double View Post

it seems that last years pro model is a better built tv. it is definately better looking physically, especially the goofy looking foot the fh/fn sits on. but looks aside, the old pro is as epensive as the new fh/fn. why? i know the major difference is 1080p input and iris. being that mainstream 1080p sources are a good ways off, most of my viewing is with broadcast tv. i do not want to sell my pro and get the fh if it is not a tremendous difference. i love my pro model. can you get a fh/fn calibrated to the d65 spec that the pro model was shipped with? any input would be greatly appreciated. also, are there any rumors for a new pro model with these same upgrades. also what is this fc model i cannot find anything on it and it is not listed on there website.

Thanks in advance.

Bump
post #303 of 6610
Double, please forgive me but if you're happy with the PRO and you've had it likely less than a year, I see little to no reason to sell it and buy the 97. As you mentioned, the 1080p input is not that big a deal right now, and the importance of the dynamic iris is questionable. So sticking with what you have and enjoying it makes sense to me.
post #304 of 6610
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Originally Posted by PuckDaddy View Post

and why would I wait for the FH model if I didn't need that particular control ?

From what I understand the only other differences between the FH and the FN are that the FH has the gold plated connectors and an all black bezel. The silver bezel on the FN is the only thing that I don't like about the 56FN97 that I just got yesterday. It is fairly thin from the front so it isn't that noticeable but I think I might try to paint over it with some black paint. I'm thinking about trying some of that new Krylon paint for plastic in a flat black. Other than that, I've been very happy with my purchase. I haven't found anything else that I don't like yet. Even the menu isn't too bad once you get used to it.
post #305 of 6610
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Originally Posted by Al-berta View Post

Anybody able to measure the size of the base on their 61" set? Last year's was approx 35" x 16".

Is it the same?

Anybody?? I have a swivel stand that the FH96 fits on and need to know dimensions in order to modify it and fit a 61FN/FH97.

Thanks,
post #306 of 6610
For anyone interested, TT has the 70FH97 available for shipping as of today.
post #307 of 6610
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Originally Posted by Al-berta View Post

Anybody?? I have a swivel stand that the FH96 fits on and need to know dimensions in order to modify it and fit a 61FN/FH97.

Thanks,

The base of the 61FN97 is 33 1/4 wide & approximately 16" deep (It's approximate becase the base isn't square on the back and I can't get to the side very well for an accurate measurment).
post #308 of 6610
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Originally Posted by Nom de QWERTY View Post

The base of the 61FN97 is 33 1/4 wide & approximately 16" deep (It's approximate becase the base isn't square on the back and I can't get to the side very well for an accurate measurment).

Thanks!! Its actually the same width, but possibly a little deeper than the FH96 and the stand should work. Fantastic.
post #309 of 6610
Taking another look at it, the base bows very slightly out on the sides (maybe 1/4" on each side). I'd be very surprised if that was enough to mean anything, but thought you should know.
post #310 of 6610
Pulled the trigger today on the 61FN97 at my local BestBuy here in New Orleans,

they were able to order it, and allowed me to take advantage of the 36 months no interest and the 10% off.

If any one is on the fence about this TV move quick because tomorrow is the last day on the 36 months no interest special.
post #311 of 6610
Our 70FH97 is on it's way.....we're excited!
post #312 of 6610
Last night I watched "The Sentinel" on my FN97 with the settings that were posted earlier in this thread. I have a Panasonic DVD S97 upscaling DVD player, and I must say that I am very impressed. The picture looked almost like HD. It was better than I could have expected. It was also the first time that I have been able to enjoy my very highly rated DVD player that I purchased almost a year ago.

So far I am all smiles. I have to admit though that SSE is quite prevalent on this set. I am going to download "Get Gray" and try to tweak that calibration even more.

I am ordering the HD-A1 HD DVD player so I can truly experience HD on this set.
post #313 of 6610
I'll join the ranks of owners sometime next week, been waiting 7 days on my pre-order so far. Very anxious, hoping I don't get green lines or something.

Anyway, please post descriptions of how to get to the service menu and specific settings that allowed for improved black levels. Thanks.
post #314 of 6610
Hi everyone,

Before I start to comment on my new 56FN97, I would just like to thank you all for sharing on this thread. I found the information very helpful.

Now for my critique: BB setup my unit a few days ago.

1) The fan is noisy and can be heard only when the TV is playing at low volumes. So most of the time, you will not hear it. On the other hand, it is annoying just knowing it is there.
2) In High Definition the PQ is great and I love the set when HDTV signals are being pumped through it.
3) Standard Definition (SD) signals are, at least from my perspective, barely acceptible. I believe this is due to the technology and screen size, and probably would be a problem with any HDTV projection set.
4) The colors in HDTV are fantastic.
5) Size definitely matters. I'm not sure I like the size of this set. Part of me loves the large screen, another part of me wants to see more of the picture at the same time. This is one of the reasons I might send this unit back. I think I would be happier with a small unit if I am able to get a comprable PQ. If any of you have ideas about this, please comment.
6) Moving from one input to another is slow as reported. This is another negative from my perspective.
7) The SSE or SDE, depending on how you see it is very noticable to me. Our sitting area is about 11.5 feet from the TV and it is more noticeable than I would like. I moved the couch back a foot to see if it help and I would say, "not really".
8) Sound is great on the unit. Love it.
9) Menu's - Barely acceptable
10) TV - Controller - Barely acceptable

I really want to like this unit. If I had one function I would like manufacturers to build into there HDTV's it would be this: It would be great, if technically possible, to be able to select the size of the image you want to watch on the screen. For example, I would like to be able to select a 50" image rather than the 55" image that is standard. I don't know if this can or can not be easily done with the technology. I do know that if it could be I would have no reason to want to take this unit back for a 50" SRVX.

I watched the opening game on Thursday night (dolphins - steelers). The images were great when you shown relatively static scenes that the camera could easily focus on. Examples, faces, helmets, uniforms when players were in the huddle. Moving images, such as runs and other plays, were distracting for me. Just was not a clear for me and with the size of the image at 55"'s it was extremely distracting. That's just my personal opinion. My son thought having a HDTV was awesome. So, there you have it, some people are more particular than others...

Please feel free to make suggestions and/or comments.

That's about it for now. Thanks again for those of you who have posted.

GL
post #315 of 6610
I believe that SD is pretty awesome on this set. Much better than the other TV's at my local store with a coaxial analog SD feed. Digital SD is OK. I was looking at it at first with my DVD player before I set it up properly, and I was not so impressed. The internal JVC scaling is pretty lackluster.

I need to get an HD DVD player so I can decide weather or not to keep this set, or trade up to the 831 Mitsu.
post #316 of 6610
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Originally Posted by cmeyer911 View Post

I'll join the ranks of owners sometime next week, been waiting 7 days on my pre-order so far. Very anxious, hoping I don't get green lines or something.

Anyway, please post descriptions of how to get to the service menu and specific settings that allowed for improved black levels. Thanks.

Search this thread and you will find it
post #317 of 6610
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1) The fan is noisy

As it is with many other sets.
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3) Standard Definition (SD) signals are, at least from my perspective, barely acceptible.

and your source is??? If it isn't using the internal tuner with either cable and/or a OTA antenna, please do so and report back. If it is with a STB, especially satellite, no wonder.
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6) Moving from one input to another is slow as reported.

Well known. A learning remote will allow direct input access.
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7) The SSE or SDE, depending on how you see it is very noticable to me.

Started with last years 1080 models.
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9) Menu's - Barely acceptable
10) TV - Controller - Barely acceptable

Very well known including all published reviews. At least with the remote, most any learning remotes will solve that problem.

PS;welcome to the forums.
post #318 of 6610
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I need to get an HD DVD player so I can decide weather or not to keep this set, or trade up to the 831 Mitsu.

Based only on that??
post #319 of 6610
Bruce,

I have no other way to view HD content here on a US Base in Japan. This is basically my only option at this point. If it doesn't knock my socks off, I will take it back (I have a 90 day money back guarntee). I really want to fall in love with this TV becasue the price was awesome. Just figure $400 below what BB is selling them for and I got a stand. SSE is getting pretty annoying, that is why I am eyeballing the Mitsu with the new screen. I just moved my couch back about 5 feet and am going to watch a movie.

I do think that JVC is making great strides and is doing a good job in order to stay relevant in a very competitive market.
post #320 of 6610
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I have no other way to view HD content here on a US Base in Japan.

Sorry, I didn't see where you were. There is no OTA HD is Japan (of all places)??
Have you looked at the 732 and the 831? Is there really a difference between sets with that 'better' screen?
post #321 of 6610
Could others please post their settings as I would like some suggestions. Currently I am using the settings that aohurst suggested (pg 6, post 170).

I am also having trouble setting up my PC to the HDMI so that I can get full resolution. How did others set this up? Any suggestions would be helpful.

I'm still trying to make sure everything works correct as I have full intentions on returning this set to BB should something go wrong in the first 30 days.

Thanks
post #322 of 6610
[quote=1GreenLantern]Hi everyone,

Before I start to comment on my new 56FN97, I would just like to thank you all for sharing on this thread. I found the information very helpful.



I have been looking at all sets in many stores as of late. The settings out
of the box are horrible at best. I watched a couple of DLP's in Sears and
my eye's nearly bled . I adjusted the settings on one, just toned down the
brightness and it looked 100% better. I also watched a SXRD in dynamic mode,
instantly gave me a headache. Switched to movie and pulled the settings down
again, and again, major picture improvement. We all follow this thread because
we either have or want these TV's. Helping each other max out the picture
is our combined goal. I am not trying to convince you to like a TV you don't, but
I really believe that proper settings are mandatory, not an option, with these
big HDTV's.
post #323 of 6610
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Originally Posted by 1GreenLantern View Post

Hi everyone,


7) The SSE or SDE, depending on how you see it is very noticable to me. Our sitting area is about 11.5 feet from the TV and it is more noticeable than I would like. I moved the couch back a foot to see if it help and I would say, "not really".
GL

Now, I thought I read somewhere either on these forums or on the web, that one of the improvements o the FH97's will have over the FH 96's is reduced SSE....can anyone comment on that if they've seen both in good viewing environments?

Thanks
post #324 of 6610
[quote=swgiust]
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Originally Posted by 1GreenLantern View Post

Hi everyone,

Before I start to comment on my new 56FN97, I would just like to thank you all for sharing on this thread. I found the information very helpful.



I have been looking at all sets in many stores as of late. The settings out
of the box are horrible at best. I watched a couple of DLP's in Sears and
my eye's nearly bled . I adjusted the settings on one, just toned down the
brightness and it looked 100% better. I also watched a SXRD in dynamic mode,
instantly gave me a headache. Switched to movie and pulled the settings down
again, and again, major picture improvement. We all follow this thread because
we either have or want these TV's. Helping each other max out the picture
is our combined goal. I am not trying to convince you to like a TV you don't, but
I really believe that proper settings are mandatory, not an option, with these
big HDTV's.

Could not say it any better...excellent reply!
post #325 of 6610
Which 1080p signals are compatible with these units? 1080p24? 1080p60?
post #326 of 6610
I am looking at Black Hawk Down, my favorite movie for obvious reasons

The picture really looks geat. It looks alot like the theater.
post #327 of 6610
Hello, All
I work at BB in Elizabethtown, KY
I've (We've) got some of the newer sets displayed like this:
Top Right, JVC 1080 56"
Top Left, Sony 60" A2000
Bottom Left, Samsung HLS-6187w
Bottom Right, 60" XBR1

Of course, with the signal quality, meaningful comparisons are difficult. But I've noticed the following:
JVC: Best detail of all the sets. Very sharp image. Moderate SSE, Greenish hue. Could be because it's got the component input and the others are coax.
A2000: Nice, seems to have more accurate colors than the JVC, not quite as detailed.
Samsung: It's in the most difficult position to view, but is seems to have a nice compromise of the problems in other sets. The tuner takes the longest to kick in. Since I've owned an HLS set, I know it looked worlds better at home connected to Comcast's HDMI.
XBR1: Good detail, pretty good image. Purplish blacks.

Unfortunately, the material played does't give me any kind of idea of black levels. Since I've never seen an hdmi repeater, which would be required to be objective, I can't make really good comparisons. I just know that the JVC keeps catching my eye for some reason; perhaps it's just the brightness or detail. I'll see if I can come up with some component cables, but I can't hook them up to the Samsung because I think it's a defective set. It looks horrible with component, much worse than the coax. I know it looked fantastic at home (returned it to CC after getting the job at BB in anticipation of buying it at employee price).
Sorry I can't give much better info, but you can always come in for yourself and see! I only work part time so I don't have a great deal of time to adjust the sets; so most of them are out of the box settings. I really wish we had the resources to put good signals on them, but alas, we just don't.
post #328 of 6610
Thread Starter 
(in my humble opinion)

What is HDTV all about? Football.

Just finished watching The Ohio State University Buckeyes trash their nearest competetor, Texas Longhorns on my HD-56FN97. Signal is from Time Warner South Carolina with the SA Explorer 8300HD DVR over HDMI.

PQ was VERY good, including camera pans. Now the carrier is ABC HD, and althougth they and ESPN are the same Corp. there is a world of difference between their signals. While Jumping back and forth with the ESPN game with South Carolina, the differences were dramatic. Although ABC and ESPN both transmitt in 720P, I have to wonder if some of the difference is possibly the ESPN cameras (Anyone on the inside know for sure?)

I think this set is a keeper.
post #329 of 6610
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What is HDTV all about? Football.

Whats' that?? How about the other 8 months of the year?
post #330 of 6610
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Could be because it's got the component input and the others are coax.

That kinda defeats your observations since all the sets aren't getting the same signal.
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The tuner takes the longest to kick in.

As in changing channels??
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Since I've never seen an hdmi repeater

It would be called a HDMI DA (distribution amp).
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I really wish we had the resources to put good signals on them,

They are called antennas. You know, those metal devices that are put up on roofs as most had in theb 60's and 70's before cable TV was available most everywhere. And what most stores had to demo the TV's before cable.

No one had a problem displaying off air stations on TV's 20 or 30 years ago, but now, all of a sudden there is some kind of a problem. There is plenty of HD material on your local PBS affilate with almost no commercials.
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