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post #3781 of 6610
3/15/07 at 10:21am
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Originally Posted by A.VOID View Post

FWIW to others >>> When I checked my RGB settings (drive center position) in the service menu, I noticed my screen was off center by 3 clicks to the left. You could see "non-picture" color bands in the upper right corner. Everyone may want to check this out. Since I just replaced my old HD projection behemoth, I was used to looking at that convergence stuff regularly. I had very slight out of covergence (~1 pixel) on the left/ right outside border boxes. It was within the service menu acceptable levels and I don't see any issues. Center boxes were dead on from the factory. IMPRESSIVE after my installation.

I do know how to get into the service menu, but can you explain in more details on how to adjust RGB settings and convergence? 1 pixel is very small. I don't see how I can see that little difference.
Thx.
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post #3782 of 6610
3/15/07 at 11:31am
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Originally Posted by hschen View Post

I do know how to get into the service menu, but can you explain in more details on how to adjust RGB settings and convergence? 1 pixel is very small. I don't see how I can see that little difference.
Thx.


Once in the service menu, select #9 (it's not a listed option)

You will get a black and white checkerboard screen with a red crosshair. Beneath it is an "R" for Red convergence. By clicking up, down, left, right, you will change the red convergence. I assure you, you will see the red come out from the black boxes. Once you change/ adjust the Red, then click "Display" and you will be able to change the Blue Convergence. Click "Displacy" again and you will be able to see the "RGB" for the Drive mapping. You can adjust the screen from here.
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post #3783 of 6610
3/15/07 at 11:56am
Has anyone noticed a Faded area or burn in the middle of the screen when the TV is off? It is about the size of a softball.
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post #3784 of 6610
3/15/07 at 11:57am
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Originally Posted by A.VOID View Post

I didn't know that about the optical for OTA only. I haven't read up on the audio stuff yet. That being the case, how could I use the TV as my center channel?

I've only noticed lag one time so far (I think it was UHD), however I wondered about the potentail for lag issue. I already knew about the time it takes to switch channels in native from my other TV set. I assumed the JVC had better conversion than the DTV STB. I'll try it at 1080i to see how things run.

I'm considering the XBOX360 HD-DVD, but I'm wondering how much we actually lose when the signal goes to 1080i and then gets upconverted to 1080p. Sounds like no real noticeable difference. I don't care a whole lot about the technical crap, but I'm curious as I consider the unit.

Thanks for all the input!

FWIW: I picked up one of the extended warranties from Tapeworks. Looks like a safe offer that will pay for itself.

in processing a 1080i signal the JVC is just deinterlacing the image. this is just what a "progressive scan" DVD player does since AFAIK DVD's do not output a native 480p image. bottom line a 1080i image over XBox should look great-the JVC does a very clean job of deinterlacing.

the way to use the JVC's spkrs. as a center ch would be to run an audio cable from the center ch pre-out on your A/V receiver to the center ch input on the JVC. remember if you use the TV's spkrs as a center ch you're also using the TV's amps.
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post #3785 of 6610
3/15/07 at 12:24pm
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Originally Posted by HDntheCity View Post

just a reminder-the JVC's optical output only works with the digital OTA tuner.

It works with all the internal tuners, digital and analog, OTA and cable.
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post #3786 of 6610
3/15/07 at 1:01pm
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Originally Posted by locomo View Post

It works with all the internal tuners, digital and analog, OTA and cable.

I agree, It works
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post #3787 of 6610
3/15/07 at 1:15pm
oops, I was imprecise.

the main point tho is it will NOT work as a digital audio pass-thru.
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post #3788 of 6610
3/15/07 at 2:27pm
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Originally Posted by JeffreyP View Post

Hi z3scott

I actually has everything turn off - so that lead me to thinking it must be the DVD player - So I verified the setting using another DVD player.
The difference is quite astounding using standard mode:

1st DVD player - the brightness = +4, picture(contrast) = -15
2nd DVD player - brightness = -28, picture = +2

So now which setting should I use for my cable TV viewing? - off course whichever look best to Jeffrey

One more thing I notice is that the TV(56hn97) actually keeps its setting for each device (1st dvd in hdmi1, 2nd dvd in video1 (component)), however, the TV use the 1st dvd setting for cable (regular tv input).

JeffreyP

Good observations. You might try calibrating your dvd player of choice using the theater mode (6500K) and set your cable box by eye using the standard mode. Then just flip when viewing one source or the other.
Scott
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post #3789 of 6610
3/15/07 at 2:37pm
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Originally Posted by A.VOID View Post


I'm considering the XBOX360 HD-DVD, but I'm wondering how much we actually lose when the signal goes to 1080i and then gets upconverted to 1080p. Sounds like no real noticeable difference. I don't care a whole lot about the technical crap, but I'm curious as I consider the unit.

Thanks for all the input!

As noted the Xbox add-on does a great job with the JVC. I bought one for my son at Xmas and got to play with it. Unfortunately I didn't have my XA1 Tosh HD player yet so I can't offer direct comparison but I wouldn't hesitate to suggest the xbox hd if one already had the box or was buying it anyway. You won't achieve the benefits of True Audio nor upscaling sd (if they matter to you) via the current xbox but it's pq is outstanding.
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post #3790 of 6610
3/15/07 at 3:30pm
Just to confirm what I think I read somewhere, does the 70FH97 from Costco only have 1 RF jack? I have OTA and cable, so that would kinda suck, but the Costco deal is a sweet one.

EDIT: I forgot I guess I can splurge for the $2/mo. cablecard. . . .
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post #3791 of 6610
3/15/07 at 6:44pm
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Originally Posted by A.VOID View Post

Once in the service menu, select #9 (it's not a listed option)

You will get a black and white checkerboard screen with a red crosshair. Beneath it is an "R" for Red convergence. By clicking up, down, left, right, you will change the red convergence. I assure you, you will see the red come out from the black boxes. Once you change/ adjust the Red, then click "Display" and you will be able to change the Blue Convergence. Click "Displacy" again and you will be able to see the "RGB" for the Drive mapping. You can adjust the screen from here.

Thank you. I will try it tonight.
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post #3792 of 6610
3/15/07 at 11:06pm
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Originally Posted by ideadirect View Post

Yeah, I noticed too. I took too long to research and the 2999 w/stand disappeared. I though I missed out. It then showed up on their site without a stand for 2999. There was a drop down to also purchase the 61" or 57".

Then the 70" version with no stand was removed from the drop down and for a couple days, only the 61" and 57" were available. Then all of a sudden, the 70" with stand showed up again for the same $2999. They also have the 61" with no stand for $2799. Also, the shipping is $165 for the 61" and only $99 for the 70" with stand.

So the total price for the 61" with no stand is $2964 and the 70" with stand is $3098. Can't see why anyone would get the 61".

Unfortunately for me, when the 70" with stand disappeared from Costco, I thought I missed out and ordered one from Amazon for $2999 and free shipping and no tax. I then ordered a better stand as I wasn't crazy about the JVC stand.

In case you can't tell... I've been researching tv's for quite some time and especially checking on pricing of this 70" JVC. The Costco deal is one of the best out there and you get the great Costco return policy and service. (by the way, for electronics, they now have a 90 day return policy as opposed to their generous lifetime policy for other merchandise. Still much better than others 14-30 day policies)

When the 70" with stand disappeared off the website I ran right up to Costco and bought one at the warehouse. I was afraid I was going to miss out.
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post #3793 of 6610
3/16/07 at 12:10am
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Originally Posted by ideadirect View Post


Unfortunately for me, when the 70" with stand disappeared from Costco, I thought I missed out and ordered one from Amazon for $2999 and free shipping and no tax. I then ordered a better stand as I wasn't crazy about the JVC stand.

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Which stand did you order?

I should have qualified that statement... I personally like this stand better:
http://www.afwonline.com/ic280frm.as...FurnType=HMENT
This is totally subjective and others may hate this stand and love the JVC one.

It fits perfectly in my theater spot and I just wasn't crazy about the square look of the JVC stand. Granted, if the Costco deal was available at the time I would have taken it and gotten the free JVC stand.
The Costco deal is about $3250 shipped with tax.

I bought the tv and stand for $3450 total so I ended up paying $200 more. (free shipping and no tax helped). Delivery of the stand was only $35 since I live in Colorado.
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post #3794 of 6610
3/16/07 at 3:42am
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Originally Posted by pdhdtv View Post

Has anyone noticed a Faded area or burn in the middle of the screen when the TV is off? It is about the size of a softball.

You can only see it when the set is off, correct? I also have this, and it was discussed a while back in the thread. I don't believe that this is a burn-in or faded area. I believe that is ambient light penetrating through the high gain screen and reflecting off of the internals of the set.
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post #3795 of 6610
3/16/07 at 3:48am
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Originally Posted by pdhdtv View Post

Has anyone noticed a Faded area or burn in the middle of the screen when the TV is off? It is about the size of a softball.

This is normal with rear projection HDTV's.
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post #3796 of 6610
3/16/07 at 1:56pm
[quote=ideadirect]
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Originally Posted by ddlv View Post


I should have qualified that statement... I personally like this stand better:
http://www.afwonline.com/ic280frm.as...FurnType=HMENT
This is totally subjective and others may hate this stand and love the JVC one.

It fits perfectly in my theater spot and I just wasn't crazy about the square look of the JVC stand. Granted, if the Costco deal was available at the time I would have taken it and gotten the free JVC stand.
The Costco deal is about $3250 shipped with tax.

I bought the tv and stand for $3450 total so I ended up paying $200 more. (free shipping and no tax helped). Delivery of the stand was only $35 since I live in Colorado.

IMO, that stand looks way too tall for a 70"....what's your viewing distance?
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post #3797 of 6610
3/16/07 at 9:07pm
I notice Costco has the ColorVision Datacolor SpyderTV on their website (179.99). Anybody tried one of these?
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post #3798 of 6610
3/17/07 at 6:37am
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Originally Posted by gwsmith View Post

I notice Costco has the ColorVision Datacolor SpyderTV on their website (179.99). Anybody tried one of these?

If you grab one I'd be interested in how it works out.

There is info about the various cal equipment and software in here

I've only done a little investigation but I know there are discussions on the Spyder there.
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post #3799 of 6610
3/17/07 at 7:39am
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Originally Posted by z3scott View Post

If you grab one I'd be interested in how it works out.

There is info about the various cal equipment and software in here

I've only done a little investigation but I know there are discussions on the Spyder there.

Thanks....that's a very interesting thread. I hadn't spotted it before. I'm not sure I want to get that deep into the science but for the price I may give it a whirl.
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post #3800 of 6610
3/17/07 at 1:11pm
Hey everyone! /waves

I have owned this JVC 61FN97 for almost one month coming up. Needless to say I enjoy the tv and the enormous set-up from 30" hdcrt to 61" LCoS

Although I must comment that some of the color/picture choices made by the forum members take me by suprise. Of all the modes available, I find DYNAMIC to handle everything and I mean everything from dvd movies to sd materiel more effectively than the so-called "movie" TheatrePro mode.

My prefered settings make Dynamic and Standard look similar.
Dynamic seems to proffer a more reddish hue. Brightness appears reletively equal
I find TheatrePro and Game modes to be the least preferential.

Thus, my settings are
-02 TINT
+10 COLOR
+10 PICTURE
00 BRIGHT
+05 DETAIL
-05 IRIS
low COLOR TEMP
on COLOR MANAGEMENT
on DYNAMIC GAMMA
on Advanced Smart Picture (NOTE : in Dynamic Mode, this setting is omitted)
auto DIGITAL VNR

One final note I wish to make - a majority of JVC users seem to prefer a milky, washed out image. Going by the settings so many choose, the color becomes almost grey. Infact theatre mode is practically unwatchable.

Why do people perfer a milky, ghost-like image rather than vibrant color? color so bland, that any distinct between character and background are lost. Detail is confused and blurry....
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post #3801 of 6610
3/17/07 at 1:56pm
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Originally Posted by pdhdtv View Post

Has anyone noticed a Faded area or burn in the middle of the screen when the TV is off? It is about the size of a softball.

It cannot burn as you describe. Having just replaced a screen I can say that the inside of the two screens has this characteristic. It also has a decernable outward radiating circular pattern if the light hits it just right. It looks strange, however the service technician said that is how they are built. I don't know the technical reason, however, I'm sure it works in concert with the projected image.
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post #3802 of 6610
3/17/07 at 2:39pm
using INHD Tuneup i have these settings
standard
tint 00
color -5
picture +15
bright -25
detail 00
iris +2
color temp low
everything else off
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post #3803 of 6610
3/17/07 at 2:57pm
I haven't ready every post in this, but I didn't see the issue I am having in the one I did read. I have had my set for about 3 months, and within the last couple days I have started noticing that when there is a dark background, the picture will fade to where it is real dim, then flash bright again. It seems to be happening the most on commercials where there is a black background with white text.

Has anyone else seen this, and is it something that I can fix with a setting change, or do I have a bigger issue starting?

Thanks.
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post #3804 of 6610
3/17/07 at 8:54pm
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Originally Posted by Richter View Post

Hey everyone! /waves

I have owned this JVC 61FN97 for almost one month coming up. Needless to say I enjoy the tv and the enormous set-up from 30" hdcrt to 61" LCoS

Although I must comment that some of the color/picture choices made by the forum members take me by suprise. Of all the modes available,

One final note I wish to make - a majority of JVC users seem to prefer a milky, washed out image. Going by the settings so many choose, the color becomes almost grey. Infact theatre mode is practically unwatchable.

Why do people perfer a milky, ghost-like image rather than vibrant color? color so bland, that any distinct between character and background are lost. Detail is confused and blurry....

Since you made choices in settings obvoiously w/o any calibration disk and left the JVC's auto controls on which modify/change various aspects of pq w/o your ability to adjust them that might account for the differences between what your settings provide you happily and others find via Dvd Essentials or Avia or other appropriate calibration methods that provide for accurate pq and color rendition.
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post #3805 of 6610
3/18/07 at 10:38am
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Originally Posted by z3scott View Post

Since you made choices in settings obvoiously w/o any calibration disk and left the JVC's auto controls on which modify/change various aspects of pq w/o your ability to adjust them that might account for the differences between what your settings provide you happily and others find via Dvd Essentials or Avia or other appropriate calibration methods that provide for accurate pq and color rendition.

If DVD Essentials and Avia are deemed appropriate calibration particuarly in view of the image results given, than DVD essentials and Avia be damned.
I have applied settings reported by others to my own JVC. The result I see is a ghostly white, over-exposed image with little to no distinction seperation one person on the screen from the other.
An image resembling something like water colors lit via an overhead fluorescent tube lamp.
I am not paying 90 dollars for that.
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post #3806 of 6610
3/18/07 at 11:12am
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Originally Posted by Richter View Post

If DVD Essentials and Avia are deemed appropriate calibration particuarly in view of the image results given, than DVD essentials and Avia be damned.
I have applied settings reported by others to my own JVC. The result I see is a ghostly white, over-exposed image with little to no distinction seperation one person on the screen from the other.
An image resembling something like water colors lit via an overhead fluorescent tube lamp.
I am not paying 90 dollars for that.

if thats truly the case then there might be something seriously wrong with your display if you need those settings for accuracy....

or your the type of consumer that the manufacturers, the big box employees and sound & vision mag pander too with the 'torch' modes, red push's and talking of 'extreme colors' 'ultra vibrancy'

perhaps you should findsomeone with one of the discs, borrow it, run it and follow the directions and see what it numbers you come up with then, maybe your set needs servicing
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post #3807 of 6610
3/18/07 at 11:37am
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Originally Posted by Richter View Post

If DVD Essentials and Avia are deemed appropriate calibration particuarly in view of the image results given, than DVD essentials and Avia be damned.
I have applied settings reported by others to my own JVC. The result I see is a ghostly white, over-exposed image with little to no distinction seperation one person on the screen from the other.
An image resembling something like water colors lit via an overhead fluorescent tube lamp.
I am not paying 90 dollars for that.

You certainly are missing the point (and displaying your lack understanding of calibration) regarding the fact you are running with all the electronic auto adjustments on (ie. Dynamic Gamma, ASP and Color Management) which make changes beyond your control. To imply that we that choose to use more accurate methods to calibrate and not use the auto adjusting features because they cede control to the tv and effect pq dynamically are all watching a "washed out" picture is quite funny.

The nice thing is we are all free to run our sets the way we feel comfortable isn't it?
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post #3808 of 6610
3/18/07 at 11:46am
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Originally Posted by Richter View Post

If DVD Essentials and Avia are deemed appropriate calibration particuarly in view of the image results given, than DVD essentials and Avia be damned.
I have applied settings reported by others to my own JVC. The result I see is a ghostly white, over-exposed image with little to no distinction seperation one person on the screen from the other.
An image resembling something like water colors lit via an overhead fluorescent tube lamp.
I am not paying 90 dollars for that.

To each his own I guess....nobody's holding a gun to anyone's head . I don't have Avia or DVE and I manage to get a fabulous picture from my JVC, but I've wondered what I'd see with a more objective calibration.

I too have tried the user settings posted here by others, and I'd say the pq was barely watchable , but admittedly that could be the result of improper calibration. I may get a compelling urge to experiment with calibration just because that's my nature (can't resist tinkering ), but as long as I get the pq I'm experiencing now, I'm wondering, why bother....if it ain't broke, why fix it?

If and when I do embark on any calibration effort, it'll be just to satisfy my curiousity, and if I were to see any improvement, I'd be pleasantly surprised. For now, my own eyes are the calibration tool of choice, but my hat's off to those who dig deeper. There's no denying that science rules over art here, at least in theory.
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post #3809 of 6610
3/18/07 at 12:11pm
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Originally Posted by hikouka View Post

if thats truly the case then there might be something seriously wrong with your display if you need those settings for accuracy....

or your the type of consumer that the manufacturers, the big box employees and sound & vision mag pander too with the 'torch' modes, red push's and talking of 'extreme colors' 'ultra vibrancy'

perhaps you should findsomeone with one of the discs, borrow it, run it and follow the directions and see what it numbers you come up with then, maybe your set needs servicing


Trade magazines?
That was actually insulting.
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post #3810 of 6610
3/18/07 at 1:47pm
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Originally Posted by Richter View Post

Trade magazines?
That was actually insulting.

i was merely pointing out that the language/descriptions you were using sounded like the mantra of marketing companies
twice though i pointed out that in all probability it could be a problem with the set itself
if anything approaching the settings others have used here with appropriate results appear as you describe them, to me, sets off warning flags that theres a problem somewhere


and i only mentioned sound & vision because one would think that was holy scripture the way the plebe's at bb and cc talk lol
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