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post #31 of 86
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Originally Posted by FrantzM View Post

Hi

maybe not the rright place to ask cansomeone post the procedure to upgrade the firmware?

Or PM me...

If you have broadband you can also go to the Toshiba site and do it http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/dvd/product.asp?model=hd-a1 Look under RESOURCES.
post #32 of 86
" I need something to process the signal to avoid having two speakers produce the exact same signal. I have found one CSE 6.1 but it's new and I do not want to buy a new one since they hae been discontinued for a few years. "

The CSE 6.1 will give you two rears speakers producing the exact same signal.

Shawn
post #33 of 86
Bulldogger : The CB3 will do exactly that : copy the exact signal from the side surround to the back surround, or the other way around. the added benefits are individual bass management and volume control.

As i said, it is a cheap solution to use a splitter, but it works.
post #34 of 86
All that's being proved is that expensive DACs + compressed source doesn't sound as good as cheaper equipment + uncompressed source. This is like discovering that CDs sound better than 128kbps MP3s...
post #35 of 86
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Originally Posted by Greg_R View Post

All that's being proved is that expensive DACs + compressed source doesn't sound as good as cheaper equipment + uncompressed source. This is like discovering that CDs sound better than 128kbps MP3s...

I agree with you - except that I have discovered even more enjoyment out of my system despite the cheaper DACs/equipment with less compressed/uncompressed source.

I anticipate that others, with gear even other than Theta (like I have), may be finding the same!!!@@@
post #36 of 86
Seve, when you calibrated with the external disc, did you set the analog levels in the Toshiba by going back and forth, or did you set the Tosh to zero across the board and adjust your pre-pro levels for the independent channels?

I have had terrible analog sound versus the digital feed. So if analog, set Tosh to PCM and if digital, set it to output Bitstream, correct?

Pete
post #37 of 86
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Originally Posted by PAD View Post

Seve, when you calibrated with the external disc, did you set the analog levels in the Toshiba by going back and forth, or did you set the Tosh to zero across the board and adjust your pre-pro levels for the independent channels?

I have had terrible analog sound versus the digital feed. So if analog, set Tosh to PCM and if digital, set it to output Bitstream, correct?

Pete

If you are playing HD DVDs via HD DVD player's analog outputs; but still want to play DVD via the HD DVD player's digital output: Leave the HD DVD audio menu set to bitstream. The extra digital converion when set to PCM sounds quite confined playing DVD, when compared to bitstream. This doesn't affect the HD DVD player's internal conversion of DD+ or Dolby True HD to PCM analog.

If you aren't using a Six Shoooter or top notch multi-channel analog preamp and it sounds better using digital for HD DVD, keep it at bitstream, so the player will downcovert to DTS at 1.5 mbs.

I leave the HD DVD menu speaker levels at 0 and just set the levels in the CB3 or other surround processor menu, if you can And use an external test disc - a DVD with THX Optimizer is best way to go.
post #38 of 86
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Originally Posted by Greg_R View Post

All that's being proved is that expensive DACs + compressed source doesn't sound as good as cheaper equipment + uncompressed source. This is like discovering that CDs sound better than 128kbps MP3s...

That appears to be the course Sony is taking with Blu-ray?
post #39 of 86
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Originally Posted by sfogg View Post

" I need something to process the signal to avoid having two speakers produce the exact same signal. I have found one CSE 6.1 but it's new and I do not want to buy a new one since they hae been discontinued for a few years. "

The CSE 6.1 will give you two rears speakers producing the exact same signal.

Shawn

Yes the two rears that the CSE 6.1 prouces will produce the same signal. However the signal will not be the same as the rear left and right that goes in. Basically you get the same rear left and rear right and a SINGLE matrixed rear channel. This channel will be different.
post #40 of 86
I received my Toshiba HD DVD Players. I have a DSL modem. The instructions in the manual confused me for a minute as it appeared that your modem had to either have a built-in router or you needed a separate one. I already had an RJ45 cable. I just unplugged my PC and plug the yellow RJ45 cable directly into the Toshiba. Then I needed a monitor to see the menu of the Toshiba. I used a small portable tv that I have to do that. You have to go into the Ethernet menu and turn on DHCP and DNS. Then go into the maintance menu and select update firmware.
post #41 of 86
I know this is the 20k+ forum, but we all still love a good deal, right? The Toshiba HD-DVD player is available for $363 shipped through Continental Airlines Onepass rewards program. The HD-DVD player is $363 + 100 frequent flyer miles. If you don't have the miles already, you can purchase a magazine subscription for $10 and get 200 miles. It takes about 2 weeks for the miles to show up in your account. I ordered mine last week.

By the way, if this type of post is inappropriate, please delete with my apologies. I don't have any stake in the deal, just passing it along.
post #42 of 86
Thanks BobDole. And I though I was getting a great deal on a used one and it cost more than that!
post #43 of 86
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Originally Posted by Steve Bruzonsky View Post

Bulldogger, this is perhaps the best solution for you. As you have Granite Audio cabling like me, you can contact Don at Granite Audio and he can make some custom quality splitters if you like.

Don is a great guy. I have four pairs of the 470 and a single 8 meter run of the XLR 470 that I am using on my center. I am going to take a "wait and see" approach for 7.1 HD DVD titles. No luck so far locating a Parasound CSE 6.1 or Smart Devices product. Not really a priority. I need to measure as I will need different lengths of cable to run monoblocks, Mcintosh MC501s, on my other two front channels.
post #44 of 86
On another note, in order to get the Toshiba to work via HDMI with my Sony SXRD television, I have to make sure the television is turned on first. Otherwise, I get an HDMI error message. These types of issues are supposedly corrected with HDMI 1.3.
post #45 of 86
Hi

Upon reading this thread , i did try the Anamlog outputs and indeed they are substantialy better than regular Dolby Digital ... I will not stop telling people on this forum how good this player is: The best Picture one can currently get and the best sound of the movies al this for less than $500... Wow.. I bought a second one , just in case the first breaks, Sending it for repair in the USA and waiting for weeks or months is not an idea I would relish...
post #46 of 86
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by FrantzM View Post

Hi

Upon reading this thread , i did try the Anamlog outputs and indeed they are substantialy better than regular Dolby Digital ... I will not stop telling people on this forum how good this player is: The best Picture one can currently get and the best sound of the movies al this for less than $500... Wow.. I bought a second one , just in case the first breaks, Sending it for repair in the USA and waiting for weeks or months is not an idea I would relish...

What surround processor, amps and speakers do you use?

Be sure to get the 2.0 firmware upgrade and try some of the four Dolby True HD movies for audio, and let us know what you think.
post #47 of 86
I got a chance to open up a HD-A1 and I was very surprised to see how well the analog section looked. It wasn't a cheap analog circuit by any means. This has to be partly why it sounds so good. I never got a chance to try the analog section. I was surprised the player was only $500 for the analog circuit looked like something in a $5000 player. I'm not kidding either!

Ron
post #48 of 86
The DVD-rom player inside is a nec and is recognized by windows XP.

All it needs is an HDCP video card and the software player and i'm sure it could play on a PC.

Only thing is thaht the SW player is mostly impossible to have legally...
post #49 of 86
steve, did you try a standard dvd using the analogue outs of the tosh and were they inferior compared to the theta? specifically, if you run the toshiba straight to a preamp (no processor) and allow its dacs (analogue outs) do all the processing, how did it sound?
post #50 of 86
anyone???
post #51 of 86
Hmm, interesting.
I have some extra Nordost Valhalla power cord and interconnect I can try it with, and I will mod the internals with Nordost Valkyrja speaker cable.

Does the European version have cheaper parts inside? Should I get the US version HD-A1? I have an extra P300 Power Plant left over I can use to convert the voltage with, with the Euro version I would use the new Premier Power Plant instead.

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The DVD-rom player inside is a nec and is recognized by windows XP.

How does the computer output audio through digital out? Does it first convert into PCM through software? Would this make the Toshiba's analog outputs better then?
post #52 of 86
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Originally Posted by Anthony A. View Post

steve, did you try a standard dvd using the analogue outs of the tosh and were they inferior compared to the theta? specifically, if you run the toshiba straight to a preamp (no processor) and allow its dacs (analogue outs) do all the processing, how did it sound?

Standard DVD using analog outputs, or the Toshiba's toslink out, don't sound bad at all. No, not as good as the Compli, but still quite good. I had a Panasonic
RP-91 SDI modded which frankly was excellent on video (not any better than Compli SDI video) but on audio DVD digital was merely ok, clearly lacked microdynamics, dynamics, clarity and soundstaging of the Compli. The Toshiba performs in my opinion a good deal better than the Panasonic on DVD audio.
Of course, a reason that the Toshiba on analog output DVD sounded pretty good is the Six Shooter.
post #53 of 86
Anthony, I plan to try a standard DVD as well. I plan to try both the standard DVD version of Serenity and the HD-DVD version. I do not want to just use the dolby digital track on the HD-DVD to make sure the bit rate has not been intentionally reduced. The increased bass response also has me curious. I can not see how increasing resolution would increase the frequency response of the sound track? Am I mistaken, does Dolby Digital throw some of the frequency spectrum away to save space? If not, I can only assume that the frequency response has been intentionaly lowered to increase bass impact. I keep reading comments about deeper bass. After speaking with Curt at Velodyne about the required bits to reproduce bass, I am baffled as to why an increase in resolution would produce deeper bass?
post #54 of 86
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Originally Posted by ValhallaPC View Post

Hmm, interesting.
I have some extra Nordost Valhalla power cord and interconnect I can try it with, and I will mod the internals with Nordost Valkyrja speaker cable.

Does the European version have cheaper parts inside? Should I get the US version HD-A1? I have an extra P300 Power Plant left over I can use to convert the voltage with, with the Euro version I would use the new Premier Power Plant instead.

How does the computer output audio through digital out? Does it first convert into PCM through software? Would this make the Toshiba's analog outputs better then?

The Toshiba HD-XA1 has a three prong IEC input, so I use my Granite Audio 560 power cord, a Bybee external AC Charger filter, and a PS Audio P600 (modded with Bybee devices) at 60 Hz sine wave with it as well.

In the menu, you can select PCM or bitstream for the digital out. In my system, using the digital connection, bitstream clearly sounds much better. But for HD DVD, the multi-channel analog outputs are the best.
post #55 of 86
I am doing a few things in my theater so it may take a bit before I get down to listening. Damn thing is such a bargain that it is hard to be too critical.
post #56 of 86
i think its the price to performance that is "wowing" everyone with it. it would be interesting how this player compares to the new denon 3930 (video and analogue audio performance). if it is on par, then yes, a great bargain!!!!
post #57 of 86
Steve,
"But for HD DVD, the multi-channel analog outputs are the best. "

From your suggestion above, If I have EMM LABS DAC6e + Switchman-3, do I need to buy any new surround processor soon? I plan to use analog outputs from HD-DVD A1 to Switchman-3.
Thanks
post #58 of 86
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Originally Posted by ex-airforce View Post

Steve,
"But for HD DVD, the multi-channel analog outputs are the best. "

From your suggestion above, If I have EMM LABS DAC6e + Switchman-3, do I need to buy any new surround processor soon? I plan to use analog outputs from HD-DVD A1 to Switchman-3.
Thanks


Lets say that you only watch HD DVD - no DirecTV or Dish Network, no cable, no DVD. Then, if you have an excellent analog multi-channel preamp, which connects direct to your amps and speakers, you don't need a surround processor.

Or frankly, although the Toshiba HD DVD on plain ol' DVD analog output ain't as clean and dynamic as my Theta Compli via my CB3 Xtreme DACs, the Toshiba DVD really ain't bad, either - actually pretty decent. So you can use it via analog outputs for plain ol' DVD, too.
post #59 of 86
Steve...

I have Lexicon MC-8 (using coax. cable)for my SDI dvd player so I'm going to use Toshiba HD DVD with Switchman-3 (using analog) as per your suggesttion.
Thanks again.
post #60 of 86
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Originally Posted by ex-airforce View Post

Steve...

I have Lexicon MC-8 (using coax. cable)for my SDI dvd player so I'm going to use Toshiba HD DVD with Switchman-3 (using analog) as per your suggesttion.
Thanks again.

Do I understand right, that you will do analog multi-channel out from the Switchman-3 direct to your amplifiers? Or do you connect into the multi-channel analog inputs of the MC-8? If the latter, it likely won't sound near as good.
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