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post #331 of 2430
From the German site....

So as not to confuse anyone - These are the EUROPEAN MODELS - NOT the US....However why would a different processor be used in the US versus Europe?

Mike53 - Can you confirm the use of this chipset in the US models?

LC-46XD1E
46 (117 cm) diagonal visible of the screen
Full-HD Panel 1080p (1920x1080 Pixel)
Report/ratio of 2000:1 contrast
Quick Shot (Reaction time 4 ms)
truD (Micronas)
2 X Entered HDMI (with HDCP)
Audio power DIGITAL
Entry of computer (VGA)
Selling price advised
CHF 5490. - TAR incl.

Deliverable with partird' October 2006

Also note that the European models have VGA and the US will not.

Therese
post #332 of 2430
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Originally Posted by Jason Bourne View Post

Hi Therese,

I couldn't find anything on google connecting Sharp and Micronas. Did you find anything specific, or mostly the similarity between Micronas processor and the D62U features?


I found it on several European sites and the Polish site actually tested it. However my German is only slightly better than my Polish and both are as familiar as my 20 year old classes of latin to me

So I have had a bit of a time reading/translating to undersatnd the nuances. However, it appears this chipset is in the Sharp in Europe - not sure why it would be changed for the US - other than PAL kinda issues. It's also a chip set that other high end displays use like Loewe's etc.

Definetely hope we can find out/validate if this is used...

Therese
post #333 of 2430
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Originally Posted by bearfun View Post

OK so im kind of puzzled? How is a person to tell the Quality of any product when the shop that is selling it said product ,Cant show you its Qualitys or attributes.?Are you just to go on evryones word that it is better than you will see in the show room.Is the show room not the place the place to see it?....is someone going to invite me home to there place?I think if the Dealer cant show me,convince me of how good this tv is.Then its not worth the mony or my time.I cant remember the last time i went to buy a car and the guy told me, hey i know it looks like its in bad shape and it handels like crap but one you get some good gas into it .that will all change.......ok a bit of sarcasm lol

What you need to do is haul in some equipment that you are familiar with, some source material from which you know what to expect, and try that out on the TV you are looking at. Once the D62 comes to my best buy, I'll be taking my Xbox 360 in and hooking it up to every TV in the store to see how it handles. Its the best way to be sure of what you are getting.
post #334 of 2430
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Originally Posted by wpwj40e View Post

I found it on several European sites and the Polish site actually tested it. However my German is only slightly better than my Polish and both are as familiar as my 20 year old classes of latin to me

So I have had a bit of a time reading/translating to undersatnd the nuances. However, it appears this chipset is in the Sharp in Europe - not sure why it would be changed for the US - other than PAL kinda issues. It's also a chip set that other high end displays use like Loewe's etc.

Definetely hope we can find out/validate if this is used...

Therese

Great research, Therese- thanks!

I'm getting really excited about these sets.

I'd been leaning towards the 46 due to worries regarding SD performance on the 52. With the Micronas chipset, it might be OK on the 52 (and even better on the 46)!

I'd really cringe if my 8 year-old complained about Sponge-Bob looking all grainy and blocky (her words).
post #335 of 2430
I have looked at the micronas chip.If sharp is smart enuph to put it to use in there new LC-52D62U or even the later D92u models .i and 4 of my friends will be waiting to put down our hard cash for thoes models.If it solves so meny problems then sharp will cornered the market...in my humbel opinion
post #336 of 2430
at this point putting a decent chip in the 46- 52 would be ideal, however based on the specs, I did not see any such chip mentioned.

* i hope the US models have them
post #337 of 2430
No PIP ... I don't think that will be an issue .., I use the PIP on my Bell ExpressVu receiver. I sometimes like to watch 2 baseball games in HDTV at the same time using PIP on my SONY KV36XBR400. I can instantly swap between the 2 games, change the PIP size and move the image around the screen. I am sure TIVO can do the same.

As for a TV not displaying SDTV well ... I don't give a crap ... I NEVER watch that garbage any more and haven't for some time ... if it is not HDTV I will not waste my time ... at least on my home theatre system. I may watch part of the local news on a small SD set in the kitchen sometimes, but that's it. So, I am really only interest in the sets HD PQ.

The only non-HDTV that I watch on my home theatre system is DVD's ... and those days are numbered!
post #338 of 2430
Mike53 or anyone.....when exactly will the 52" models be available in retail outlets and will costco carry any of these new models off the bat ?
post #339 of 2430
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Originally Posted by Jason Bourne View Post

Heh Heh! Good one, with the mirror comment.

Actually, I've got a horse race going between the 46 and 52 and will be happy with either.

So what you're saying, is that the reflections that this bezel creates, will not bother you in any way at all?
For me personally, I can barely look at this picture without cringing.

http://www.dtvexpress.com/pdf/sharp_lc42d62u.pdf
post #340 of 2430
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Originally Posted by wpwj40e View Post

I found it on several European sites and the Polish site actually tested it. However my German is only slightly better than my Polish and both are as familiar as my 20 year old classes of latin to me

So I have had a bit of a time reading/translating to undersatnd the nuances. However, it appears this chipset is in the Sharp in Europe - not sure why it would be changed for the US - other than PAL kinda issues. It's also a chip set that other high end displays use like Loewe's etc.

Definetely hope we can find out/validate if this is used...

Therese

Therese:

You seem to be quite impressed with this new model, based on the specs and other information you have discovered.

From what you can tell so far, do you think it will run into any colour-space issues when connecting a PC or Mac through DVI to HDMI?

Poland probably has its top scientists working on this question right now but maybe you have figured out the answer already

Thanks,

Gad
post #341 of 2430
Can someone explain Sharps 4 wavelength backlight system as opposed to the system that Samsung uses on their TV (4696)?

It appears that Samsung is claiming the same dynamic contrast ratio as Sharp, but I'm wondering what are the true differences between these sets with regard to contrast.

Does the wavelength system even relate to contrast?

Help would be appreciated ... thanks.
post #342 of 2430
Dynamic contrast is one of those useless measurements meant to woo customers. Pay no attention. You can't even compare spec'd contrast numbers unless those numbers come from a reliable 3rd party source. The measurements are too easy to fudge -- and they get fudged a lot.

The "wavelength system" has nothing to do with contrast -- it has to do with color reproduction. All these systems are basically the same. The CCFL bulbs have different phosphors in them to produce a wider range of colors, is all. Fluorescent bulbs work by creating UV light which excites phosphors to create light in the visible spectrum.
post #343 of 2430
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Originally Posted by Bicster View Post

Dynamic contrast is one of those useless measurements meant to woo customers. Pay no attention. You can't even compare spec'd contrast numbers unless those numbers come from a reliable 3rd party source. The measurements are too easy to fudge -- and they get fudged a lot.

The "wavelength system" has nothing to do with contrast -- it has to do with color reproduction. All these systems are basically the same. The CCFL bulbs have different phosphors in them to produce a wider range of colors, is all. Fluorescent bulbs work by creating UV light which excites phosphors to create light in the visible spectrum.

Thanks very much.

So I gather that if Samsung has a 92% color gamut, then it's about the same as the 4 wavelength system of Sharp. I think someone here posted a 91% color gamut for Sharp.

Sounds to me these sets have approximately the same stats ... with maybe a better response time going to the sharp.
post #344 of 2430
Correct, Sharp's Japanese website specs 91% color gamut for these panels. Honestly that number is probably meaningless too -- it does nothing to say how accurate the color reproduction actually is. That depends on a lot more than the backlight module they use.

I think it is likely the Sharp will test for better contrast ratios than Samsung/Sony. At least I hope so
post #345 of 2430
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Originally Posted by Gad Zookz View Post

Therese:

You seem to be quite impressed with this new model, based on the specs and other information you have discovered.

From what you can tell so far, do you think it will run into any colour-space issues when connecting a PC or Mac through DVI to HDMI?

Poland probably has its top scientists working on this question right now but maybe you have figured out the answer already

Thanks,

Gad

Well specs are....great info....but do not always tell the truth. And it appears very hard to get good details about exactly which specs these Sharp's have. Until we have seen these and tested the various capabilities it will be difficult to make too many assumptions.

I am impressed because *if* the contrast and black levels are as they claim, and the sets handle motion and Sharp has included processors that can deal better with SD and they handle telecine etc correctly - this may be a winner.

Clearly they have cut some corners - lack of inputs - may not have the same calibration capabilities etc. But until they land will be hard to say.

If they have included 90% of the features *most* need at a price point that is 80% of the competition with equal or better PQ.....then....as they say - we will have a horse race on our hands for 1080p LCD's and that is always good news for the consumer!

Therese
post #346 of 2430
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Originally Posted by wpwj40e View Post

Well specs are....great info....but do not always tell the truth. And it appears very hard to get good details about exactly which specs these Sharp's have. Until we have seen these and tested the various capabilities it will be difficult to make too many assumptions.

I am impressed because *if* the contrast and black levels are as they claim, and the sets handle motion and Sharp has included processors that can deal better with SD and they handle telecine etc correctly - this may be a winner.

Clearly they have cut some corners - lack of inputs - may not have the same calibration capabilities etc. But until they land will be hard to say.

If they have included 90% of the features *most* need at a price point that is 80% of the competition with equal or better PQ.....then....as they say - we will have a horse race on our hands for 1080p LCD's and that is always good news for the consumer!

Therese

Unfortunately, according to the Sharp reresentative I spoke with over the phone, it appears that were looking at the end of October for these sets. Wish it were sooner!
post #347 of 2430
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Originally Posted by wpwj40e View Post

...I am impressed because *if* the contrast and black levels are as they claim, and the sets handle motion and Sharp has included processors that can deal better with SD and they handle telecine etc correctly ...

Therese

Why would anyone expect these sets to have good chips? I've read in this forum that the chips are Sharp's weakness. Figure the 62 series and the future 92 series will use the exact same glass. The only difference will be the chips.

If Sharp really wants to offer the best LCD, how about including Silicon Optix Realta HQV. Why? Because:

Silicon Optix stated that Realta's HQV technology matches, and in many cases exceeds, the industry leading video processing seen in the $60k Teranex 3RU Xantus system.

Key features that really allow Realta to single themselves out from their competition include:
 The Realta Processor is a 10 bit processor (vs. most others which are currently limited to 8 bit processing)
 The Realta has the ability to reduce jaggies at shallow and high degree angles both vertical and horizontal
 The Realta has the ability to do many different film cadences. While many other comparable processors can do 2:3 and 2:2, the Realta can do both of the above as well as all other cadences (such as 72Hz, 3:3; Animation, Anime, and broadcast movies).

CES: During our demo at the Silicon Optix booth, we found the noise reduction employed in the Realta processor to be very dramatic and superior to others we have seen in the past. To put it plainly, the level of detail shown while using the HQV Realta was significant. Objects like bricks in a wall or leaves on a tree were incredibly sharp and detailed with no noticeable ringing or artifacting. These improvements in detail and noise reduction were quite significant attributes that should not be understated.
post #348 of 2430
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Originally Posted by wtr_wkr View Post

Why would anyone expect these sets to have good chips? I've read in this forum that the chips are Sharp's weakness. Figure the 62 series and the future 92 series will use the exact same glass. The only difference will be the chips.

If Sharp really wants to offer the best LCD, how about including Silicon Optix Realta HQV. Why? Because:

Silicon Optix stated that Realta's HQV technology matches, and in many cases exceeds, the industry leading video processing seen in the $60k Teranex 3RU Xantus system.

Key features that really allow Realta to single themselves out from their competition include:
 The Realta Processor is a 10 bit processor (vs. most others which are currently limited to 8 bit processing)
 The Realta has the ability to reduce jaggies at shallow and high degree angles both vertical and horizontal
 The Realta has the ability to do many different film cadences. While many other comparable processors can do 2:3 and 2:2, the Realta can do both of the above as well as all other cadences (such as 72Hz, 3:3; Animation, Anime, and broadcast movies).

CES: During our demo at the Silicon Optix booth, we found the noise reduction employed in the Realta processor to be very dramatic and superior to others we have seen in the past. To put it plainly, the level of detail shown while using the HQV Realta was significant. Objects like bricks in a wall or leaves on a tree were incredibly sharp and detailed with no noticeable ringing or artifacting. These improvements in detail and noise reduction were quite significant attributes that should not be understated.

Why would Sharp not use "good chips"?

In your view who uses the better processing chips, Samsung or Sharp?
post #349 of 2430
Availability of these sets anyone ?
post #350 of 2430
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Originally Posted by wtr_wkr View Post

Why would anyone expect these sets to have good chips? I've read in this forum that the chips are Sharp's weakness. Figure the 62 series and the future 92 series will use the exact same glass. The only difference will be the chips.

If Sharp really wants to offer the best LCD, how about including Silicon Optix Realta HQV. Why? Because:

Silicon Optix stated that Realta's HQV technology matches, and in many cases exceeds, the industry leading video processing seen in the $60k Teranex 3RU Xantus system.

Key features that really allow Realta to single themselves out from their competition include:
 The Realta Processor is a 10 bit processor (vs. most others which are currently limited to 8 bit processing)
 The Realta has the ability to reduce jaggies at shallow and high degree angles both vertical and horizontal
 The Realta has the ability to do many different film cadences. While many other comparable processors can do 2:3 and 2:2, the Realta can do both of the above as well as all other cadences (such as 72Hz, 3:3; Animation, Anime, and broadcast movies).

CES: During our demo at the Silicon Optix booth, we found the noise reduction employed in the Realta processor to be very dramatic and superior to others we have seen in the past. To put it plainly, the level of detail shown while using the HQV Realta was significant. Objects like bricks in a wall or leaves on a tree were incredibly sharp and detailed with no noticeable ringing or artifacting. These improvements in detail and noise reduction were quite significant attributes that should not be understated.

Well we are getting into marketing and branding issues. My guess - not saying I agree with it...is that Sharp is targeting the average consumer. Who buys TV's on brand/price/aesthetics and then PQ. The more savvy ones will also have done some research which will include the latest round up from Consumer Reports. Spend some time in your local B & M's - you would be amazed at what the decision criteria ends up being. If your average consumer can purchase the brand and size at a price point below the others - that looks good...and given the usual B & M feeds - has about the same picture. Guess what - HQV etc won't even enter into the pticture. They do not even know what that is.

My hope is that Sharp does include some decent processing - cause these 1080p sets - especially at the larger sizes are just BRUTAL on any sub par source material. It may be that Sharp chose not to license and market the truH internal chipset in North America as it carries little if any branding and the average consumer won't have a clue. Why pay for markeing something that no one outside of us AV geeks will even know or care about?

Same thing happened a few years ago with Faroudja...DVD players that included it - and paid for the marketing rights advertised it. There were many that also had the chip set that never even mentioned it. Even same branded - lower model DVD players. When Consumer Reports and other main stream media made this a "feature" - it became more of a marketing point.

I would love to see more sets include HQV processing - but outside of 1 maybe 2 - and they are just moving up themselves in terms of brand recognition - no one is. The price point as well is substantially higher than even the top tier players who are not including it.

It would be nice.....until then we have to thope that the larger sizes and higher res's are forcing the hand of the MFG's to include some decent procesing to even allow the display to be shown in a competative setting in the typical B & M...

Just my .02$
Therese
post #351 of 2430
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Originally Posted by wtr_wkr View Post

Why would anyone expect these sets to have good chips? I've read in this forum that the chips are Sharp's weakness. Figure the 62 series and the future 92 series will use the exact same glass. The only difference will be the chips.

If Sharp really wants to offer the best LCD, how about including Silicon Optix Realta HQV. Why? Because:

Silicon Optix stated that Realta's HQV technology matches, and in many cases exceeds, the industry leading video processing seen in the $60k Teranex 3RU Xantus system.


Excuse me but why don't you post the PRICE of the HQV - you suggest it as if it's a freebie or something when for god's sake as a standalone it costs thousands. Perhaps if they were selling as a $20K Fujitsu but a 52" will street for $4K without this high end Video Processor. Nice Pipe Dream though. Are you going to pay the extra $2K or more on top of what the panel already sells for?

Why would you throw something out into the mix when you know it's a third party processor that add's thousands to the cost of the panel? Agree that all TV's could benefit from it as I have a pre-order on a DVDO VP50 myself but understand this market has been created to take the viewing experience to the next level otherwise the VP market would not exist - even if you buy an NEC Plasma you have to budget around $3K for that NEC Theatersync to take it to the next level.

Here's a link to products using it and the Lumagen MSRP $5999 without a TV.

http://www.hqv.com/products.cfm
post #352 of 2430
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Originally Posted by 2Channel View Post


2. Any advice regarding mounting this set above a wood burning fireplace? Should I worry about the heat from the fireplace? I'm going to replace the current mantle and I'm trying to figure out how paranoid I should be about this when selecting the size of the new mantle.

Thanks in advance.

Hi 2Channel,

In general, electronics will last longer if you operate them in a cool environment.

However, to answer your question, yes you should worry about the heat from your fireplace. I looked up the operating spec on similar flat panel displays (since I can't find one for the new displays yet) and it's 0-40 degrees C. I would not advise exceeding the operating temperature spec. Further, if you like to build a fire like me, you may even want to be concerned about the storage temp (i.e. maximum temperature with the power off... you don't want to melt the thin film coating off your display).

I plan to mount a new LC-46D62U above my fireplace as soon as I can get my hands on one. I solved the heat problem by building in a gas fireplace with a remote control thermostat. I'll set the thermostat remote for about 95 degrees F and set it on the mantle. That way if it gets too warm, the fireplace will switch off and save the display.

-MN_EE
post #353 of 2430
I wont buy a set until construction of my new place is done. At this rate I am looking at december to be done. late october for sharp...yea I can wait. easy. First I wanted the xbr3, price turned me off. then the sammy 4695 lack of 1:1 mapping, now sharp with delicious specs and awesome price * stares at google 52" price. yum !

I am sure these sets will be released mid october.
post #354 of 2430
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Originally Posted by westa6969 View Post

Excuse me but why don't you post the PRICE of the HQV - you suggest it as if it's a freebie or something when for god's sake as a standalone it costs thousands. Perhaps if they were selling as a $20K Fujitsu but a 52" will street for $4K without this high end Video Processor. Nice Pipe Dream though. Are you going to pay the extra $2K or more on top of what the panel already sells for?

Why would you throw something out into the mix when you know it's a third party processor that add's thousands to the cost of the panel? Agree that all TV's could benefit from it as I have a pre-order on a DVDO VP50 myself but understand this market has been created to take the viewing experience to the next level otherwise the VP market would not exist - even if you buy an NEC Plasma you have to budget around $3K for that NEC Theatersync to take it to the next level.

Here's a link to products using it and the Lumagen MSRP $5999 without a TV.

http://www.hqv.com/products.cfm

True, but Syntax Olevia has their 47" LCD with it that has an MSRP of 4999, so you'd think with the savings realized from Sharp's new plant, that could beat that price...
post #355 of 2430
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Originally Posted by gdog2004 View Post

Availability of these sets anyone ?

Stopped by BB @ lunch and asked. They have it in their internal system but not the website. Their internal system shows an availability date of 9/27/06. Yep, next week according to BB.
post #356 of 2430
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Originally Posted by Shinraven View Post

I wont buy a set until construction of my new place is done. At this rate I am looking at december to be done. late october for sharp...yea I can wait. easy. First I wanted the xbr3, price turned me off. then the sammy 4695 lack of 1:1 mapping, now sharp with delicious specs and awesome price * stares at google 52" price. yum !

I am sure these sets will be released mid october.

You guys see the price dropping on Samsung's 4695.

You have to wonder how much business Sharp is losing because of not being able to meet the October 1st release date. Kind of scary. Hey, the set might be better, but then again, it might be just about the same, yet the Samsungs have been for sale since August!

Personally, I'm going to wait, just out of curiosity sake.

For what it's worth.
post #357 of 2430
I talked to a sales rep at BB yesterday in San Jose regarding availability of the new 46" Sharp. She brought over her manager and he said they should have them in the store the first week of October. Can't wait to see them.
post #358 of 2430
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Originally Posted by wpwj40e View Post


...It would be nice.....until then we have to thope that the larger sizes and higher res's are forcing the hand of the MFG's to include some decent procesing to even allow the display to be shown in a competative setting in the typical B & M...

Just my .02$
Therese

If the new Sharps really start take off, maybe Sony will counter with free bezels
post #359 of 2430
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Originally Posted by Gad Zookz View Post

If the new Sharps really start take off, maybe Sony will counter with free bezels

I think maybe they counter with the XBR4. Next spring or summer????
post #360 of 2430
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Originally Posted by dave4100 View Post

I think maybe they counter with the XBR4. Next spring or summer????

Yes, of course. The XBR4 will come with free bezels.
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