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HTPC=>Sony VPLHSxx PJ; 1368x768 How-To Guide

post #1 of 56
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OK, I've wanted to put this together for awhile since seeing Frizzo's old AVS Forum post and zillions of subsequent ones here and PowerStrip forums. Also, if you are a Sony VPL PJ owner here is a specific site you should know about: http://www.stevenhightower.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl

So, you've bought a Sony VPL and the native resolution shows 1368x768 but you can only get 1024x768 or 1280x720. How frustrating, you can't get a full image. You've hooked up your HTPC to the PJ correctly (DVI) but can't figure out how to get this to work. Well it is not your fault, the issue is Sony did not correctly load the EDID in the PJ to show the 1368x768 support. Additionally, in order for the VPLHSxx to support 1368x768 a critical timing parameter (56Hz) must be used. So, just selecting 1368x768 mode in Windows won't cut it. Well below is the simple guide for Newbies. There are two avenues.

1) You can go try/buy Powerstrip (http://entechtaiwan.net) and use this software to create a custom driver/timing. I highly recommend this software if you are psuedo technical inclined because it offers alot of other features you'll take advantage of in your HTPC that ATI and NVidia overlook. Anyway, I won't detail here the steps of PS because their support Forum, FAQs, etc. are excellent.....some key links below. Suffice to say, you'll be creating a PS driver that will place the specific 1368x768 resolution and needed timing parameters into your Windows/Gfx driver table. Once you select this custom rez/driver in Windows, PS will enforce this on HTPC bootup.

Custom Rez Primer
http://entechtaiwan.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=24
HDTV Timing Database
http://entechtaiwan.net/forums/viewf...4603e670657343
VPLHS20 Timings
http://entechtaiwan.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1401

If you end up using PowerStrip there are many places in this AVS and PS Forums to get the VPLHSxx timings but here is a known good one for manual entry:

RAMDAC
Pixel clock = 80.224 MHz

Horizontal geometry
Scan rate = 44.969 kHz
Active = 1368 pixels
Front porch = 56 pixels
Sync width = 144 pixels
Back porch = 216 pixels
Total = 1784 pixels

Vertical geometry
Refresh rate = 56.001 Hz
Active = 768 lines
Front porch = 1 lines
Sync width = 11 lines
Back porch = 23 lines
Total = 803 lines

2) If you don't want to know or can't deal with Powerstrip below is a straight forward way.
{Note, I used PS to create this Monitor Driver INF}

Anyay, first it is important to understand the relationship of things in the PC and Display. The GFx card driver (and/or Windows) is the central point of the PC. It controls the display thru it's own display/software/gfx driver. However, the Gfx card/driver first uses the EDID information contained in the display to figure out what resolutions, etc. to show the user they can select in Windows. If the EDID is not there then it uses the Monitor Driver (INF file) that Windows loaded or you loaded from a install disk of a display manufacturer. This "Monitor Driver" is not the same as the Gfx driver....it is a monitor driver...basically just information about the monitors capability that the Gfx Driver (and/or Windows) uses. So, in the above scenario, if the EDID is there in Device Manager under Monitor tab Windows will report it is using "P&P Standard". Again, this is simply saying the GFx Display Driver (and/or Windows) is using the EDID, not a seperate Monitor INF file. For the VPLHSxx we do have an EDID but it is incomplete (does not contain the 1368x768 resolution)....so hence the issue. However, the fix is fairly easy.....all you have to do is replace the "P&P Standard" (which again means the Gfx Driver/Windows is using the EDID) with a new a INF that supports our 1368x768 mode. Here are the steps.

1. At the bottom of this post under the "****" line copy-n-paste the lines to a text file (use Windows Notepad) and save as VPL.inf {Note, is doesn't matter where you save this file to but I'd put somewhere that won't get deleted or lost}...........OR you can use the zipped attachment which has the my INF.
2. Go to Windows Display properties > Settings
3. If you have more than one display connected, select the VPLHS20
4. Click the "Advanced" button
5. Go to the "Monitor" page/tab
6. Click the "Properties" button in the "Monitor type" group
7. Go to the "Driver" page/tab
8. Click the "Update driver" button
9. Check "Install from a list or specific location" and click "Next"
10. Check "Don't search. I will choose..." and click "Next"
11. UNcheck "Show compatible hardware" and click "Have disk"
12. Click "Browse" and select the folder you save your "VPL.inf" to
13. Your "Model" should appear - highlight it and click "Next"
14. Now just follow Windows instructions and let it finish up.

That's it ! Now Windows will use this INF file and the corresponding 1368x768 with 56Hz refresh resolution/timing for your VPLHSxx

************Copy-N-Paste Below This Line To A Text File With INF Extension *********
; Custom monitor information file - generated by PowerStrip 3.0, 5/28/2003
; Copyright (c) 1995-2002, EnTech Taiwan.
; Web: http://www.entechtaiwan.com

[Version]
signature="$CHICAGO$"
Class=Monitor
ClassGUID={4d36e96e-e325-11ce-bfc1-08002be10318}
Provider=%MFG%

[Manufacturer]
%MFG%=MonMfg

[MonMfg]
%MODEL%=Mon.Install

[Mon.Install]
DelReg=DEL_CURRENT_REG
AddReg=Mon.AddReg,RES,DPMS

[Mon.AddReg]
HKR,%MODE%,Mode1,,%RANGE%

[DEL_CURRENT_REG]
HKR,MODES
HKR,,MaxResolution
HKR,,DPMS

[RES]
HKR,,MaxResolution,,%MAXRES%

[DPMS]
HKR,,DPMS,,1

[Strings]
MFG="Sony"
MODEL="VPL-HSxx"
MAXRES="1368,768"
MODE="MODES\\1368,768"
RANGE="30.0-60.0,56.0,+,+"

 

VPL1368x768.zip 0.55859375k . file
post #2 of 56
I created the Monitor INF file exactly as recommended and I do now have a 1368 x 768 image to my Sony HS10. However, the 1368 x 768 image in displayed within a 1024 x 768 window. I can scroll the image left and right within the smaller window and see that the full 1368 x 768 image is there but I have not found a way to get the full image to fill the screen. I am using the latest NVIDIA drivers. Any suggestions? Thanks, John.
post #3 of 56
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Originally Posted by jflynn View Post

I created the Monitor INF file exactly as recommended and I do now have a 1368 x 768 image to my Sony HS10. However, the 1368 x 768 image in displayed within a 1024 x 768 window. I can scroll the image left and right within the smaller window and see that the full 1368 x 768 image is there but I have not found a way to get the full image to fill the screen. I am using the latest NVIDIA drivers. Any suggestions? Thanks, John.

Hmmmmm.....it's panning. What does the resolution and refresh show in NVidia Control panel or Windows Settings ? I use ATI Radeon with Catalyst drivers. Also, I actually use PowerStrip and force my timings since I use PowerStrip for other HTPC reasons. However, I know the INF above works. I assume you don't have Powerstrip installed.....just did the INF ?

Thinking out loud here......I assume before you did this the max you could move the rez setting to was 1024x768 ? This would be because the EDID tells the computer it can only support max 1024x768. Sounds like the INF has replaced the standard P&P INF and opened up the drivers to allow a 1368x768 selection with correct 56Hz Refresh but for some reason the 1024x768 pan. Look around the NVidia Control Panel for PAN-SCAN or other setting/toggle. Is there a setting for centering vs. full screen under Digital Flat Panel settings ?
Take a look at this link: http://www.geocities.com/jgeneedid/#...Implementation

Also, you might want to install MonInfo and run, it's a free util from Entech who does PowerStrip. Gives alot of details on what is going on.
http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/moninfo.shtm
post #4 of 56
I actually just manually change the monitor driver to the sony fw900 and use powerstrip for the timings.
post #5 of 56
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Originally Posted by Mr.D View Post

I actually just manually change the monitor driver to the sony fw900 and use powerstrip for the timings.

If you use Powerstrip for timings then there is no need to change the monitor driver. Changing the monitor driver is for those who don't need or don't want to dig into how to use PowerStrip.
post #6 of 56
I have been struggling the past days to make my old HS10 work with my new HTPC. Four years ago when my HS10 was brand new I also had a bit of a struggle, but managed to get it to work by reading this fantastic forum. At that time, the way to get it to work was using a Radeon card and Powerstrip. In my new HTPC I also choose a Radeon card (X1300) and I thougt I could use the same powerstrip settings to make it work, but it seems to be impossible.

I have created a lot of new powerstrip settings and tried MANY combinations of settings in the catalyst driver, but I get the panning problem described in this thread. The only conclusion I can make is that the card and/or driver can't work with powerstrip to send the correct signal to my HS10.

Is there anyone who have a newer graphics card and made it work with DVI to the HS10 with full 1368x768 resolution? If so, what card? what driver? what settings?
post #7 of 56
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Originally Posted by thekochs View Post

If you use Powerstrip for timings then there is no need to change the monitor driver. Changing the monitor driver is for those who don't need or don't want to dig into how to use PowerStrip.

Nope I still need to open up the available timings that the PC thinks the display can accept regardless of powerstrip. If the edid data gets read from the HS20 it won't let you get the 56Hz refresh to stick. The FW900 driver overrides what the HS20 will tell the PC it can display as the 1368x768 @56Hz setting isn't a standard timing and isn't officially supported by the HS20 left to its own devices.
post #8 of 56
I have finally got the panning problem solved. I created the monitor INF file as I previously described and got the expected 1368x768 resolution but it was displayed within a 1280x768 window. The way I fixed the problem was to go to the NVIDIA Screen Resolution & Refresh Rates tab and then selected the Advanced Timing button. I put all of the values listed in the original post into the settings and after that the 1280x768 widow was replaced by the full 1368x768 window. So, it appears the combination of the INF file and putting the correct values in the Advanced Timing tab together worked. I am now a happy camper. Thanks, John
post #9 of 56
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Originally Posted by Olov View Post

I have been struggling the past days to make my old HS10 work with my new HTPC. Four years ago when my HS10 was brand new I also had a bit of a struggle, but managed to get it to work by reading this fantastic forum. At that time, the way to get it to work was using a Radeon card and Powerstrip. In my new HTPC I also choose a Radeon card (X1300) and I thougt I could use the same powerstrip settings to make it work, but it seems to be impossible.

I have created a lot of new powerstrip settings and tried MANY combinations of settings in the catalyst driver, but I get the panning problem described in this thread. The only conclusion I can make is that the card and/or driver can't work with powerstrip to send the correct signal to my HS10.

Is there anyone who have a newer graphics card and made it work with DVI to the HS10 with full 1368x768 resolution? If so, what card? what driver? what settings?

My card is ATI Radeon 9600XT AGP with Catalyst 6.7. Post to PowerStrip website forum and ask Rik Wang on X1300. It should work.
post #10 of 56
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Originally Posted by Mr.D View Post

Nope I still need to open up the available timings that the PC thinks the display can accept regardless of powerstrip. If the edid data gets read from the HS20 it won't let you get the 56Hz refresh to stick. The FW900 driver overrides what the HS20 will tell the PC it can display as the 1368x768 @56Hz setting isn't a standard timing and isn't officially supported by the HS20 left to its own devices.

Ahhhh......PowerStrip has a little button that looks like a Display...very undocmented...that when you hit it unlocks the limits of the EDID in the PC. Thus, it accomplishes what you are doing with the Mon Driver. It's located from memory in the Display Profiles, Advanced Timings section....I think by the resolution slider bar.
post #11 of 56
I am having doubt if my lcd panel is giving the best picture possible.


I have a Samsung LE40M61 connected via dvi>hdmi to my htpc with a 7600GT.

The problem is when i try to run it an native reso 1366 x 768 it overscans badly and then using the nVIDIA controlpanel i can "adjust" it and make it fit my lcd, Ending up with a 1266 x 711 or something alike.

Is thier any way to solve this and run my lcd at full native resolution?
post #12 of 56
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Originally Posted by Edreamsz View Post

I am having doubt if my lcd panel is giving the best picture possible.


I have a Samsung LE40M61 connected via dvi>hdmi to my htpc with a 7600GT.

The problem is when i try to run it an native reso 1366 x 768 it overscans badly and then using the nVIDIA controlpanel i can "adjust" it and make it fit my lcd, Ending up with a 1266 x 711 or something alike.

Is thier any way to solve this and run my lcd at full native resolution?

Have you tried using PowerStrip from Entech and create a custom resolution/timings for your LCD ? There is a database of timings at the PowerStrip forum and if not Rik Wang can guide you on what to try.
post #13 of 56
Hi,

Just installed an X1950 pro on my media center and can't figure how to make a custom resolution in the ATI Control Center.

I used the txt file posted here (i've done it before with an nvidia card) but i know that i can only get the 1360*768 resolution without panning if i get in control center to make a custom resolution with the timings posted here...

Any help, can't find where to make a custom resolution with ATI control center 7.2


Please help!
post #14 of 56
I have an ATI X1300 Pro card running the PJ on clone with my 21" Samsung LCD monitor. It will let me select 768x1360 which gives a full screen on the PJ but it crops the desktop some. If I set the PJ to computer mode it sets rez @ 720x1280 which is not too bad but at least I can see all the desktop.
My question is if I run the file shown here to get the correct rez what will it do to my 21" running in the Clone mode?
post #15 of 56
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Originally Posted by Perry T View Post

I have an ATI X1300 Pro card running the PJ on clone with my 21" Samsung LCD monitor. It will let me select 768x1360 which gives a full screen on the PJ but it crops the desktop some. If I set the PJ to computer mode it sets rez @ 720x1280 which is not too bad but at least I can see all the desktop. My question is if I run the file shown here to get the correct rez what will it do to my 21" running in the Clone mode?

To be honest I do not run in Clone mode....it drove me crazy trying to get the relationship between my TVs/PJs and my "debug"/HTPC screen to correlate. Thus, I finally decided to config my HTPC software/drivers to act as a single output/display but instead split the physical output to multiple screens. I also moved away from DVI hookup which used 1368x768 to a component input on my PJ and decided on 720P timings. I did this to be consistent with all my LCD/Plasma TVs around the house and simplify my overall connection scheme. My TVs are well away from the rack where the HTPC is so I wanted/needed to split. I use a VideoStorm CRM84 component 8 input 4 ouput matrix switch....really nice. I go from my HTPC out of the ATI Gfx card RGB into a active Y splitter....one goes back to my flat panel monitor on top of the HTPC...the other to the input of the RGB-Component Transcoder. The output of the transcoder to my CRM84 switch that goes to TVs/PJs. I use PowerStrip's very easy Display Designer to adjust the small amount of overscan. I now run everything in 720P....basically the pre-defined Custom Driver in PowerStrip labeled called 1280x720P (LCD). This is very close to ATI' standard 1280x720 60Hz driver but seems have more compatible scan rates. If you only have the two displays (PJ & LCD Mon) there is obviously no need for the matrix switch. You can get away with the below.

1) Buy a VGA video active (do not get simple RGB Y cable) splitter....they are cheap...$24. This will allow you to hook up your current PC monitor and have a second output for the matrix switch. Here is one link but if stale just do web search on "Tripp Lite VGA/SVGA Video Splitter B114-002-R - video splitter - 2 ports".
2) Buy this VGA to Component Transcoder. Hook the second output of the above splitter to this unit. The output of this unit goes to say the 2nd component input of your TV.....or if you are like me into a Matrix switch that feeds all my TVs. Again here is one link but if stale just do a web search on "Audio Authority 9A60 VGA to Component Video Converter".
3) Lastly, on the PC you can change your video driver to 720P. Most Gfx cards have this driver setting...it is merely 1280x720 60Hz. Your PC monitor should accept and the TV will be driven (via the transcoder).

Now download and use PowerStrip. Very powerful but for this use perhaps the only need is to reduce the overscan of component (~7%). You just install this software that loads on Windows boot and it manages/tweeks the driver settings per your needs. It's all explained in their FAQ (straight forward). Simply put, using PowerStrip I created a new driver from the 1280x720 60Hz driver to 1200x680 60Hz that has no overscan on the screen/TV.

PowerStrip Software: http://entechtaiwan.com/util/ps.shtm
FAQ link on built-in util to correct overscan: http://forums.entechtaiwan.net/viewtopic.php?t=2089

If you are not crazy about the above and want to stay with the digital connection and Clone mode good luck. I spent months trying to get to my liking and the simplicity of component vs. the very small difference in quality to analog was well worth it for me. My suggestion is if you wish to pursue then go ahead and try PowerStrip and use it's clone mode....not ATI's. Go to PowerStrip's Forum and ask Rik Wang your scenario and he'll help....he is the best I've seen.
post #16 of 56
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Originally Posted by daffyduck View Post

Hi,

Just installed an X1950 pro on my media center and can't figure how to make a custom resolution in the ATI Control Center.

I used the txt file posted here (i've done it before with an nvidia card) but i know that i can only get the 1360*768 resolution without panning if i get in control center to make a custom resolution with the timings posted here...

Any help, can't find where to make a custom resolution with ATI control center 7.2


Please help!

Try PowerStrip for custom resolutions. ATI CCC is very limited on what it will allow you to "FORCE" for a semi-custom rez.
post #17 of 56
thekochs,
I hate to look dumb but I can't find the Powerstrip forum. Is it inside another?
post #18 of 56
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Originally Posted by Perry T View Post

thekochs,
I hate to look dumb but I can't find the Powerstrip forum. Is it inside another?

No problem...company is Entech in Taiwan.....here is URL:

http://entechtaiwan.net/forums/index.php
post #19 of 56
Apologies for bumping an old thread, but it seems the most appropriate. I've used the settings on this page with an ATI card with powerstrip and they work fine, but my nvidia 9600gt with 175.16 drivers stretches the screen as well as pans the image. The projector correctly identifies it as 1366x768@56Hz (1368 x 768 in the nvidia control panel) and puts the screen into widescreen mode.

Anyone had any luck with the scaling? I've tried all 4 settings in the nvidia control panel without luck. Some put it back to 1024x768 and others stretch the display and cause panning.

Here are the settings:


Thanks.
post #20 of 56
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Originally Posted by quadhammer View Post

.....but my nvidia 9600gt with 175.16 drivers stretches the screen as well as pans the image. The projector correctly identifies it as 1366x768@56Hz (1368 x 768 in the nvidia control panel) and puts the screen into widescreen mode.
I've tried all 4 settings in the nvidia control panel without luck. Some put it back to 1024x768 and others stretch the display and cause panning.

I don't have NVidia Gfx Card so can't help on the panel settings...but does PowerStrip work with your 9600GT card ? Thus, narowing it down to the settings in your NVidia Custom Rez tab ? In other words have PowerStrip do the custom rez.

Only other thing is to look in the NVidia control panel to see if there is a scaling and/or panning function to turn OFF. Perhaps the adapter is trying to adjust for what appears to be an odd timing ?
post #21 of 56
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Originally Posted by thekochs View Post

I don't have NVidia Gfx Card so can't help on the panel settings...but does PowerStrip work with your 9600GT card ? Thus, narowing it down to the settings in your NVidia Custom Rez tab ? In other words have PowerStrip do the custom rez.

Powerstrip doesn't support the latest nvidia cards like the 8800 and 9600 series. The latest beta version lets you into advanced timing options...but you can't change things in there properly. It also crashes after the first run after install. Once in there I noticed the active pixels were 1024, instead of 1368 like they are in the nvidia control panel. Unfortunately you can't change this figure in powerstrip and pasting the correct timings leads to all sorts of weird problems. The projector is getting sent 1368x768, but it's like it's stuck in a 1024x768 window; no doubt it's related to Sony's dodgy EDID.
Quote:


Only other thing is to look in the NVidia control panel to see if there is a scaling and/or panning function to turn OFF. Perhaps the adapter is trying to adjust for what appears to be an odd timing ?

There are four scaling options. None of them work.

In the end I pulled it out and put in an ATI 4850, pasted the timings into powerstrip and bang, worked first time. Just thought I'd share my experience in case some other poor sap is trying to get their nvidia card to work with a HS20 or 10.
post #22 of 56
Hi thekochs, I'm a VPL HS-10 owner and I've been in hot water for few days.

The devices that I'm using are:
OS: windows xp sp3
Graphics card: Sapphire ATI 4870 (2*DVI + S)
Driver: catalyst 8.6
PJ: HS-10

Yes I have set a custom rez 1368*768 via ps, and I'm quite sure that I've set the timings to the correct values. but I still get a *fake* 1368*768 in a 1024*768 window, which is known as "panning-mode".

I find that ATI driver read the EDID from HS-10 regardless the INF file created by ps. please check the snapshot below.

what can I do now? Do I have to update EDID in HS-10? Or, Is there a method to tell ATI driver *not* to read the EDID from HS-10? please help me.
LL
post #23 of 56
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Originally Posted by kongxl View Post

Hi thekochs, I'm a VPL HS-10 owner and I've been in hot water for few days.

The devices that I'm using are:
OS: windows xp sp3
Graphics card: Sapphire ATI 4870 (2*DVI + S)
Driver: catalyst 8.6
PJ: HS-10

Yes I have set a custom rez 1368*768 via ps, and I'm quite sure that I've set the timings to the correct values. but I still get a *fake* 1368*768 in a 1024*768 window, which is known as "panning-mode".

I find that ATI driver read the EDID from HS-10 regardless the INF file created by ps. please check the snapshot below.

what can I do now? Do I have to update EDID in HS-10? Or, Is there a method to tell ATI driver *not* to read the EDID from HS-10? please help me.

1) Not sure but about the panning. Your ATI CCC shows checked item for "scale image to full panel size". Can you uncheck this and see if any effect ? I'm just worndering if ATI CCC is creating this panning. What is "alternate DVI operational mode" do ?
2) I also notice you have a second DVI display....perhaps you should unconnect it and just have the HS10 running to make sure no conflict of driver/rezs/etc...what rez is that other DVI display being run at ? I vaguely recall that if there is two displays that the driver trys to ADAPT to deal with both. What I mean is that there may only be one graphics engine on your board so only one set of timings can be used. Thus, if you are using 1024x768 on other display and have 1368x768 on this one is "pans" the latter to the former. I can't be 100% sure on this...and different boards have different abilities. However, I would definitely take this variable out of the equation and just have one DVI display connected. If the first is a FP mon it should be able to handle 1368x768 56Hz all be it will look funny. Once you see this running then use that same physical connection out of the card to the HS10 by itself and see results. Sometime the gfx cards use the different gfx ports as kinda a primary and secondary thing.
3) What rez does the HS10 report in its menu it is seeing ?
4) I don't hink you can stop the EDID from being read you can only over-ride by custom display driver (INF) or PowerStrip Custom graphics timing driver. You are 100% sure that the PS timings (eg..key 56Hz) are correct and that PS is running in Windows ? You have the latest PS version/updates installed ?
5) If you've gone the INF route what does your INF file look like ? Here is thread on PS Forum with LONG discussion with Rik Wang on EDID, P&P driver, INF, etc. At bottom is my INF....Rik updated with new RANGE= string. Did you create an INF from PS & follow the steps ? http://forums.entechtaiwan.net/viewt...118&highlight=
5) Lastly, post to PS Forum...perhaps tack onto my thread and tell Rik your issue....he is really good !
post #24 of 56
Thank you for so quick response, thekochs.
1)The other 2 options seems useless.
2)Another DVI device that I'm using is a Sharp LCD monitor. it works fine.
Last night, to avoid the potential conflict, I pulled up all other cables and just connected hs10 with the card. I set the timings as what you said exactely, then something looked different...I got a scaling 1368*768 image in a 1024*768 frame, the image was compressed horizontally. it was not what I want either.
3)HS-10 reposts that it's working on rez of 1368*768.
4)Yes I have the newest version of PS installed and I'm 100% that PS will be loaded after system starting. but I wonder if the INF file could be able to override the EDID when the graphics card driver attempt to get the information of the displayer. I think that is the key point of this issue.
5)I used to talk with Rik before I contact you Yes he is very kind.

I'll keep trying on this. thx again.
post #25 of 56
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Originally Posted by kongxl View Post

Thank you for so quick response, thekochs.
4)Yes I have the newest version of PS installed and I'm 100% that PS will be loaded after system starting. but I wonder if the INF file could be able to override the EDID when the graphics card driver attempt to get the information of the displayer. I think that is the key point of this issue.

So, powerstrip icon is in system tray and you can click on it and see the 1368x768 @ 56HZ custom driver running ? Also, go ahead while open into Advanced and cut-n-paste your timing parameters to the thread. I think the PS Driver should overide the EDID or INF but clearly the 1024x768 which is max EDID says is somehow coming into play here. Can/Did you create a INF with JUST the 1368x768 resolution in it and repoint/update thru Windows to this INF file ? I attached my INF file on first post of this thread but go ahead and change the RANGE line to the one Rik stated in the link.
RANGE="30.0-45.0,56.0,+,+"
I'm thinking maybe this will help supress the 1024x768 EDID for PS driver to not get confused.
post #26 of 56
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Originally Posted by thekochs View Post

So, powerstrip icon is in system tray and you can click on it and see the 1368x768 @ 56HZ custom driver running ? Also, go ahead while open into Advanced and cut-n-paste your timing parameters to the thread. I think the PS Driver should overide the EDID or INF but clearly the 1024x768 which is max EDID says is somehow coming into play here. Can/Did you create a INF with JUST the 1368x768 resolution in it and repoint/update thru Windows to this INF file ? I attached my INF file on first post of this thread but go ahead and change the RANGE line to the one Rik stated in the link.
RANGE="30.0-45.0,56.0,+,+"
I'm thinking maybe this will help supress the 1024x768 EDID for PS driver to not get confused.

I have downloaded your INF file and replaced the original p&p driver with it, so there is no doubt that all the settings(INF, timings...) on my pc are excatly same as yours.

What card & driver are you using? I think that the card & driver you are using have the ability to ignore EDID, but in my case, they dont.
post #27 of 56
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Originally Posted by kongxl View Post

I have downloaded your INF file and replaced the original p&p driver with it, so there is no doubt that all the settings(INF, timings...) on my pc are excatly same as yours.

What card & driver are you using? I think that the card & driver you are using have the ability to ignore EDID, but in my case, they dont.

ATI Radeon 9600XT.

Did you change the RANGE line to RANGE="30.0-45.0,56.0,+,+" in the INF ?
My INF file was older and this was change Rik recommended in the link on PowerStrip Forum.

If this does not work then I would post on PowerStrip Forum on Saphire 4870 to Rik and make sure this card can work with PowerStrip...not all can. When the PC is running only the HS10 connection (connected to primary DVI connector)....you see PowerStrip icon in system tray on lower right of PC ? You click on and can see that the 1368x768 56Hz driver is running/selected ?
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ATI Radeon 9600XT.

Did you change the RANGE line to RANGE="30.0-45.0,56.0,+,+" in the INF ?
My INF file was older and this was change Rik recommended in the link on PowerStrip Forum.

If this does not work then I would post on PowerStrip Forum on Saphire 4870 to Rik and make sure this card can work with PowerStrip...not all can. When the PC is running only the HS10 connection (connected to primary DVI connector)....you see PowerStrip icon in system tray on lower right of PC ? You click on and can see that the 1368x768 56Hz driver is running/selected ?

Yes I do.

The screenshot below shows that current rez is 1366x768.


You can see that the screen has been compressed.
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Jesus...I just did it! I got real 1368x768 on hs-10!

I dont understand how this happened. The only difference is that I exchange the DVI input for Sharp LCD and hs10. Previously, I always connected hs10 with 4870's DVI#2(even there were no other monitors connected). But just now, I change the DVI port from #2 to #1, and...I see the miracle! Everything is perfect!

Thank you very much, thekochs. it is you who drive me to do 1 more test. I cant get this without your help. thanks.
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Jesus...I just did it! I got real 1368x768 on hs-10!

I dont understand how this happened. The only difference is that I exchange the DVI input for Sharp LCD and hs10. Previously, I always connected hs10 with 4870's DVI#2(even there were no other monitors connected). But just now, I change the DVI port from #2 to #1, and...I see the miracle! Everything is perfect!

Thank you very much, thekochs. it is you who drive me to do 1 more test. I cant get this without your help. thanks.

This is what I had tried to mention above in item #2....guess I was not clear....sorry. Alot of times the graphic card only has one "engine" even though multiple ports/connectors. Thus, it will use the primary port (which it defines in hardware and cannot be changed even if some apps like PW say they swap it is not on timings level) as the default....its timing is used for the secondary and its timings are "derived" within that primary. In other words, if primary was 1024x768 and secondary was 1368x768 you can get issue stated above because the controller is dealing with 1024x768 timings and trying to work out th 1368x768. It is ALWAYS best to put your HDTV/PJ on your primary port...get it working....then work out your secondary display support. If there are compromises it is best to have htem on the suport display. Example, what you might notice is the 1367x768 56Hz doesn't look all that great on your Sharp display....but that's OK. For me when I debugged the HTPC I had the PJ (HS20) off anyway and used PowerStrip to put icons/shortcuts on my screen for 1368x768 56Hz and 1280x1024 60Hz. I clicked on the 1280x1024 60Hz during my debug since PJ was off and before exit hit the 1368x768 56Hz mode. PS will ask you if you want a desktop icon when you create a custom rez....you can even do this for standard rezs...just select one within PS and assign a new name to save as.....example 1280x1024 60HZ (32bbp). If you want to get fancy you can assign hotkeys to these rezs for easier toggling: http://entechtaiwan.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11 I actually put the rez icons as shortcuts in a Toolbar but if you have on dekstop screen then changing rezs can muck up where icons are located. Here is fix.
http://entechtaiwan.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=16

Couple items to note with PS
1) Need to restore your custom driver when you update a GFx Driver.
http://entechtaiwan.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17
2) How to backup your PS config
http://entechtaiwan.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=138

Glad to see it is fixed !!!
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