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post #151 of 1418
For 360 video games, I leave it on Standard.

Try these settings and let me know how they work for you:

Backlight: 3
Picture: 93
Brightness: 55
Color: 55
Sharpness: 40
Game Mode: On

To me, these settings get a good balance of picture quality accross multiple games. Of course, there are still differences due to lack of any picture standards in the gaming industry. Some games allow you to make brightness adjustments in the options menu. Gears of War actually comes with different picture modes (default, soft, lucid, vibrant) as well as a brightness meter. Many people recommend using the vibrant setting to get that color "pop".
post #152 of 1418
Let me start off by saying that I am completely stunned in the difference
before and after calibration. It is 100% worth the money and I highly recommend a calibration to anyone who has the means.

Inputs Calibrated:

Toshiba HD-A1 HD-DVD player (HDMI to HDMI)
Scientific Atlanta 4200HD Cable Box (DVI to HDMI)
XBOX 360 (Component)

The Toshiba and the cable box were both digital connections and were calibrated
to the following settings:

Picture Mode: Custom
Backlight: 2
Picture: 80
Brightness: 51
Color: 45
HUE: G1
Color Temp.: Warm 1
Sharpness: 25
Noise Red.: Off
DRC Mode: Mode 1
DRC Palette: Reality(35), Clarity(15)

Advanced Settings:

Black Corrector: Off
Advanced C.E.: Off
Gamma: Low
Clear White: Off
Live Color: Off
Color Space: Wide
Detail Enhancer: Off
Edge Enhancer: Off

Power Saving: Off
Display Area: Normal/Cable Box - Full Pixel/HD-DVD

White Balance(GrayScale):
R-Gain: -2
G-Gain: -3
B-Gain: -15
R-Bias: -4
G-Bias: -2
B-Bias: -1

Gray Scale Color Temperature Kelvins:
(Pre-Calibration) (Post-Calibration)
100 IRE: 7825 / 100 IRE: 6550
90 IRE: 7750 / 90 IRE: 6475
80 IRE: 7700 / 80 IRE: 6500
70 IRE: 7500 / 70 IRE: 6450
65 IRE: 7450 / 65 IRE: 6425
60 IRE: 7400 / 60 IRE: 6400
55 IRE: 7650 / 55 IRE: 6455
50 IRE: 7600 / 50 IRE: 6475
45 IRE: 7525 / 45 IRE: 6500
40 IRE: 7450 / 40 IRE: 6500
30 IRE: 7425 / 30 IRE: 6450
20 IRE: 7400 / 20 IRE: 6425

You can see by the above pre and post calibration temps. that pre calibration
was a little on the cool side and after calibration its almost dead on 6500 kelvin
from 20 IRE to 100 IRE.

The Tech who performed the calibration does reviews for CNET and actually
reviewed this model and I highly recommend him.

I'll post my XBOX 360 settings tomorrow as there are some differences because
of the use of component(analog) connections.
post #153 of 1418
Tried those settings but it looks off on my TV, overall pictures looks too greenish on my TV, especially whites.
post #154 of 1418
thanks alot pet
those settings work well on my set
however i left my DRC to Off
post #155 of 1418
I just got my 40" XBR3. After a day of tweaking I've decided temporarily on this:

Picture Mode: Custom
Backlight: 4 (Black levels don't get much darker than this)
Picture: Max (Used GetGray to verify that I wasn't losing white detail, even with all that contrast.)
Brightness: 51 (GetGray verified)
Color: 50 (I don't have a blue filter to adjust this one yet)
HUE: 0 (Can't adjust it until I get a blue filter)
Color Temp: Neutral (I can't decide between this and Warm 1)
Sharpness: 55 (It really helps with SD - with HD-DVD I don't see much difference)
Noise Red.: HD - off, SD - low
DRC Mode: HD - 1, SD - off
DRC Palette: Reality(70), Clarity(30) (Just heard these settings recommended somewhere - havn't played with them yet)

Advanced Settings:

Black Corrector: HD - Off, SD - Low (Yes, you lose some detail, but the picture looks washed out in comparison when BC is off)
Advanced C.E.: Medium (This doesn't seem to cause a loss of detail)
Gamma: Low (Havn't tried different settings yet)
Clear White: Off
Live Color: Off
Color Space: Normal (The wide just seems to increase saturation?)
Detail Enhancer: HD - Low, SD - Medium (This helps with blurry SD broadcasts)
Edge Enhancer: Low (I don't see much difference between the levels, so I lef it at default)

Power Saving: Off
Light Sensor: Off
CeniMotion: Auto (I don't know what this does)

White Balance:
R-Gain: -15, G-Gain: -15 (The GetGray gradients showed some clipping in the high ends of these colors, so I made a temporary correction)
All others: 0 (I will do a full calibration soon to change these)

These settings, however, are only temporary. I am on the waiting list for a DirecTV HD-DVR to replace the SD receiver that I am using now. The SD receiver is hooked up with component, while the HD receiver will use HDMI. I expect this will make a difference in optimal settings. I also have a Sypder 2 sensor, GetGray, and CALMan software ready to do a full calibration as soon as I get that blue filter. Oh, yeah, and I do have to figure out how to do a full calibration first. From what I've heard, the full calibration should make a noticeable difference.
post #156 of 1418
petmic10.

As one of the above posters stated, thank you. These settings work well on my set. I look forward very much to your settings for the xbox360.

I do have one question, do you use DRC for 1080i content? If you do, what is your setting? I ask this because Sony claims that their DRC mode 2 works especially well with 1080i content. I have had a hard time getting a better picture with it though. An example is with the pro football broadcasts on NBC (if memory serves me correctly.)

On the NFL broadcasts, there is a "grid" at the bottom of the screen. When I turn DRC mode 2 on, this grid becomes somewhat distorted. When I leave DRC mode 2 off, it becomes much more clear and you can actually make out the spaces in the grid. Do you feel DRC mode 2 is worth leaving on or off? Thanks again for your settings, I was using the cnet settings before and these do seem better. Good color "pop" without oversaturation.
post #157 of 1418
Another thanks to you, Petmic, for being willing to post your settings on the boards. I/we appreciate your helpfulness. The settings do look better than what I had on there, but I cant decide on whether I want to keep DRC on or not. Either way, thanks man! I, too, look forward to hearing about your settings for the 360.

PS.
I'm about to go post some more pics (featuring your settings) in the owner's thread.
post #158 of 1418
Thanks to petmic10 for posting those calibartion setting.

How do I set (get) Gray Scale Color Temperature?. Is it under the service menu or user menu?. Please help me on that.............
post #159 of 1418
Quote:
Originally Posted by satiger View Post

Thanks to petmic10 for posting those calibartion setting.

How do I set (get) Gray Scale Color Temperature?. Is it under the service menu or user menu?. Please help me on that.............

User menu, under White Balance

You change the GrayScale color temperature under White Balance with
the R,G,B, Gain and R,G,B, Bias controls.
post #160 of 1418
Quote:
Originally Posted by xbr2dabest View Post

thanks alot pet
those settings work well on my set
however i left my DRC to Off

I mentioned the DRC mode to the tech and he tested it in mode 1 with his
equipment and noticed a slight increase in PQ with it on.

It somehow works in conjuction with the sharpness control.
post #161 of 1418
Quote:
Originally Posted by SonnyC79 View Post

Another thanks to you, Petmic, for being willing to post your settings on the boards. I/we appreciate your helpfulness. The settings do look better than what I had on there, but I cant decide on whether I want to keep DRC on or not. Either way, thanks man! I, too, look forward to hearing about your settings for the 360.

PS.
I'm about to go post some more pics (featuring your settings) in the owner's thread.

I would keep DRC mode 1 on and try my reality and clarity settings posted
as this is were the tech calibrated and seem to notice a sharper picture.
If you turn DRC off, try bumping the sharpness control up a few notches as they
seem to work in conjuction with one another. I definately notice a difference
with it on in mode 1.

On a side note everyone should engage Cinemotion unless your receiving
a 1080p signal. After he engaged cinemotion it really cleaned up the SD
picture considerably.
post #162 of 1418
Let me clarify one thing about when I use DRC mode.

I should have been more specific, I only use DRC when i'm watching HD-DVD's
with my Toshiba as it seems to work better with a clean source. I do not
use it when i'm watching cable tv.

Sorry for any confusion.
post #163 of 1418
Quote:
Originally Posted by slapshot1848 View Post

petmic10.

As one of the above posters stated, thank you. These settings work well on my set. I look forward very much to your settings for the xbox360.

I do have one question, do you use DRC for 1080i content? If you do, what is your setting? I ask this because Sony claims that their DRC mode 2 works especially well with 1080i content. I have had a hard time getting a better picture with it though. An example is with the pro football broadcasts on NBC (if memory serves me correctly.)

On the NFL broadcasts, there is a "grid" at the bottom of the screen. When I turn DRC mode 2 on, this grid becomes somewhat distorted. When I leave DRC mode 2 off, it becomes much more clear and you can actually make out the spaces in the grid. Do you feel DRC mode 2 is worth leaving on or off? Thanks again for your settings, I was using the cnet settings before and these do seem better. Good color "pop" without oversaturation.

I would not use DRC mode 2 at all, actually when your watching cable or satellite
you should turn DRC off completely.
I only use DRC mode 1 when i'm watching HD-DVD's.

BTW, the tech engaged the cinemotion feature under settings in the setup menu
and it passed the 2:3 pulldown test according to his equipment.
post #164 of 1418
Quote:
Originally Posted by petmic10 View Post

On a side note everyone should engage Cinemotion unless your receiving
a 1080p signal. After he engaged cinemotion it really cleaned up the SD
picture considerably.

The manual says Cinemotion only works in 480i.
post #165 of 1418
Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewjnyc View Post

The manual says Cinemotion only works in 480i.

Thats correct, my cable box is set to auto DVI which takes the incoming signal
and sends it straight through to the television with no processing.

Cinemotion cleans up the 480i signal very well. Set Cinemotion to Auto.
post #166 of 1418
Petmic. You are indeed my hero. I greatly appreciate you posting your settings. I've gone through a whole bunch (even cnet's) and I never fully enjoyed any of the different settings. For the past month, I've been content.

It all changed today when I used your settings for my 46xbr3, and ... WOW. It looks great. That's all I have to say. I'm using Comcast and all the HD channels look great!

I know you have not posted your 360 settings yet, but i decided to use the aforementioned settings. I then went out and purchased the HD DVD addon for my 360 for sh*ts and giggles. Watching the King Kong HD DVD that came with it and it looks great. I bought Batman Begins, Full Metal Jacket, and The Italian Job (cuz I've never seen it). Definitely an impulse buy, but this isn't the thread to talk about it.

PQ is amazing now. I cannot wait for your 360 settings and once again.. THAAAAANK YOU!
post #167 of 1418
You posted Gray Scale Color temp (as seen below).

What is that IRE? How do I change it?
I already adjusted my Gains and Bias' but cant find this IRE settings and dont even know what they mean? Any advice?

Also, my CINEMOTION option is grayed out and currently on OFF. How come I dont have a choice to change that?

Gray Scale Color Temperature Kelvins:
(Pre-Calibration) (Post-Calibration)
100 IRE: 7825 / 100 IRE: 6550
90 IRE: 7750 / 90 IRE: 6475
80 IRE: 7700 / 80 IRE: 6500
70 IRE: 7500 / 70 IRE: 6450
65 IRE: 7450 / 65 IRE: 6425
60 IRE: 7400 / 60 IRE: 6400
55 IRE: 7650 / 55 IRE: 6455
50 IRE: 7600 / 50 IRE: 6475
45 IRE: 7525 / 45 IRE: 6500
40 IRE: 7450 / 40 IRE: 6500
30 IRE: 7425 / 30 IRE: 6450
20 IRE: 7400 / 20 IRE: 6425
post #168 of 1418
Thanks for the settings info. You fu$king rule!
post #169 of 1418
My 46XBR2 seems to look much better with all the white balance settings zeroed -000000 out. Always has.
post #170 of 1418
Quote:
Originally Posted by KING DIRK View Post

You posted Gray Scale Color temp (as seen below).

What is that IRE? How do I change it?
I already adjusted my Gains and Bias' but cant find this IRE settings and dont even know what they mean? Any advice?

Also, my CINEMOTION option is grayed out and currently on OFF. How come I dont have a choice to change that?

Gray Scale Color Temperature Kelvins:
(Pre-Calibration) (Post-Calibration)
100 IRE: 7825 / 100 IRE: 6550
90 IRE: 7750 / 90 IRE: 6475
80 IRE: 7700 / 80 IRE: 6500
70 IRE: 7500 / 70 IRE: 6450
65 IRE: 7450 / 65 IRE: 6425
60 IRE: 7400 / 60 IRE: 6400
55 IRE: 7650 / 55 IRE: 6455
50 IRE: 7600 / 50 IRE: 6475
45 IRE: 7525 / 45 IRE: 6500
40 IRE: 7450 / 40 IRE: 6500
30 IRE: 7425 / 30 IRE: 6450
20 IRE: 7400 / 20 IRE: 6425

u have to set your cable box to 4:3 override 480i
then u can set cinemotion to Auto
post #171 of 1418
Quote:
Originally Posted by KING DIRK View Post

You posted Gray Scale Color temp (as seen below).

What is that IRE? How do I change it?
I already adjusted my Gains and Bias' but cant find this IRE settings and dont even know what they mean? Any advice?

Also, my CINEMOTION option is grayed out and currently on OFF. How come I dont have a choice to change that?

Gray Scale Color Temperature Kelvins:
(Pre-Calibration) (Post-Calibration)
100 IRE: 7825 / 100 IRE: 6550
90 IRE: 7750 / 90 IRE: 6475
80 IRE: 7700 / 80 IRE: 6500
70 IRE: 7500 / 70 IRE: 6450
65 IRE: 7450 / 65 IRE: 6425
60 IRE: 7400 / 60 IRE: 6400
55 IRE: 7650 / 55 IRE: 6455
50 IRE: 7600 / 50 IRE: 6475
45 IRE: 7525 / 45 IRE: 6500
40 IRE: 7450 / 40 IRE: 6500
30 IRE: 7425 / 30 IRE: 6450
20 IRE: 7400 / 20 IRE: 6425


You change the IRE when you do your adjustments in the White Balance section
to R,G,B, Gain & R,G,B, Bias.

The Gray Scale is used to ensure that black images are as close to black as possible and white images are as close to white as possible minus any
unwanted colors. 6500K is the optimum temperature desired.

100 IRE being white and 0 IRE black.

The only way Cinemotion can be engaged is by temporarily feeding the TV
a 480i source and then changing it to "Auto". It has to be changed for each input.
Cinemotion really cleaned up the SD picture nicely.
post #172 of 1418
Quote:
Originally Posted by timothias View Post

Petmic. You are indeed my hero. I greatly appreciate you posting your settings. I've gone through a whole bunch (even cnet's) and I never fully enjoyed any of the different settings. For the past month, I've been content.

It all changed today when I used your settings for my 46xbr3, and ... WOW. It looks great. That's all I have to say. I'm using Comcast and all the HD channels look great!

I know you have not posted your 360 settings yet, but i decided to use the aforementioned settings. I then went out and purchased the HD DVD addon for my 360 for sh*ts and giggles. Watching the King Kong HD DVD that came with it and it looks great. I bought Batman Begins, Full Metal Jacket, and The Italian Job (cuz I've never seen it). Definitely an impulse buy, but this isn't the thread to talk about it.

PQ is amazing now. I cannot wait for your 360 settings and once again.. THAAAAANK YOU!

No problem.

Why should I be the only one to enjoy great PQ.

XBOX 360 settings will be posted shortly.
post #173 of 1418
Quote:
Originally Posted by petmic10 View Post

No problem.

Why should I be the only one to enjoy great PQ.

XBOX 360 settings will be posted shortly.

Its been fun trying your configs and tweaking with them, thanks!
post #174 of 1418
Quote:
Originally Posted by x_fiddle View Post

Its been fun trying your configs and tweaking with them, thanks!

Enjoy.
post #175 of 1418
Quote:
Originally Posted by petmic10 View Post

You change the IRE when you do your adjustments in the White Balance section
to R,G,B, Gain & R,G,B, Bias.

The Gray Scale is used to ensure that black images are as close to black as possible and white images are as close to white as possible minus any
unwanted colors. 6500K is the optimum temperature desired.

100 IRE being white and 0 IRE black.

The only way Cinemotion can be engaged is by temporarily feeding the TV
a 480i source and then changing it to "Auto". It has to be changed for each input.
Cinemotion really cleaned up the SD picture nicely.

Cool. And thanks again for posting your results. My PQ is noticeably better; so smooth.
post #176 of 1418
Quote:
Originally Posted by KING DIRK View Post

Cool. And thanks again for posting your results. My PQ is noticeably better; so smooth.

Why am I not seeing any difference in PQ with Cinemotion enabled? I have a regular (480i) D* box (the HD box is coming Tuesday) hooked up with component cables and don't notice a difference with Cinemotion enabled. Does it only work with HDMI? What does Cinemotion do exactly?

Also, when I do get my HD box, how will I use Cinemotion? Doesn't the box automatically upconvert to 1080i or 720p?
post #177 of 1418
Quote:
Originally Posted by HTPC4ME View Post

Why am I not seeing any difference in PQ with Cinemotion enabled? I have a regular (480i) D* box (the HD box is coming Tuesday) hooked up with component cables and don't notice a difference with Cinemotion enabled. Does it only work with HDMI? What does Cinemotion do exactly?

Also, when I do get my HD box, how will I use Cinemotion? Doesn't the box automatically upconvert to 1080i or 720p?

That's my question too. With a DTV HR10 HD DVR, I set the output on the front of the box to "1080i" so, theoretically, the SD channels never leave the box and hit the panel at native 480i, right?

BJ
post #178 of 1418
Quote:
Originally Posted by boltjames View Post

That's my question too. With a DTV HR10 HD DVR, I set the output on the front of the box to "1080i" so, theoretically, the SD channels never leave the box and hit the panel at native 480i, right?

BJ

Thats correct.

Your DTV HR10 is doing the processing instead of your TV, which is probably
not the best thing.

There should be an option to set the signal from the DTV to Auto and let the in coming signal pass through to the TV with no processing and let the TV do the
work. SD channels will be 480i(Use Cinemotion), HD channels will be 720p or 1080i, and the XBR will output 1080p.
post #179 of 1418
Thanks a lot Petmic....my picture looks superb now.

Can't wait for the 360 settings!!
post #180 of 1418
Also, what setting are people putting their xbox 360 on, 1080i or 720p?

Thanks!
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