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post #241 of 1418
11/17/06 at 6:30am
It does look good and I only adjusted 2 settings, picture and color. I did not bump them as high as I wanted to though. It is a good adjustment.
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post #242 of 1418
11/17/06 at 11:10am
petmic10 i hope u got a ps3, and can post settings for it!
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post #243 of 1418
11/17/06 at 12:08pm
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Originally Posted by petmic10 View Post

Actually I think the black levels attained from adjusting the White Balance settings for my XBOX 360 are on the money even for gaming. For example, all dark scenes in Splinter Cell DA are rendered in amazing detail after calibration but before
were barely visible and more of a crushed black to my eyes.

On the other hand, color for gaming purposes is probably more of a personal preference and that should be adjusted according to someone's taste.

I'll give your settings another go with color and picture boosted up when I get home. However, doesn't boosting color or picture mess with the accuracy of the white balance settings?
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post #244 of 1418
11/17/06 at 12:37pm
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Originally Posted by Verse View Post

I'll give your settings another go with color and picture boosted up when I get home. However, doesn't boosting color or picture mess with the accuracy of the white balance settings?

Actually, no it doesn't. This is a common misconception. Color has nothing
to do with White Balance(grayscale).

Grayscale does not effect how the tv will produce color on color images.

Grayscale calibration only effects how the tv produces black through gray to white. It ensures that blacks are as close to black as possible and whites are
as close to white as possible without any unwanted colors.
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post #245 of 1418
11/17/06 at 3:15pm
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Originally Posted by petmic10 View Post

Actually, no it doesn't. This is a common misconception. Color has nothing
to do with White Balance(grayscale).

Grayscale does not effect how the tv will produce color on color images.

Grayscale calibration only effects how the tv produces black through gray to white. It ensures that blacks are as close to black as possible and whites are
as close to white as possible without any unwanted colors.

That makes sense. I'm almost certain that the picture setting directly affects grayscale though since it adjusts the white level.
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post #246 of 1418
11/17/06 at 3:17pm
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Originally Posted by petmic10 View Post

Actually, no it doesn't. This is a common misconception. Color has nothing
to do with White Balance(grayscale).

Grayscale does not effect how the tv will produce color on color images.

Grayscale calibration only effects how the tv produces black through gray to white. It ensures that blacks are as close to black as possible and whites are
as close to white as possible without any unwanted colors.

1. The "Color" setting on the Sony TV adjusts the color intensity or saturation and thus theoretically shouldn't affect the color balance of the TV.

2. The " Picture" setting adjusts the picture contrast and thus theoretically shouldn't affect the color balance.

So it is probably correct to say that changing the color or picture settings shouldn't mess with the accuracy of the White Balance settings.

3. However, grayscale calibration has EVERYTHING to do with the accurate production of colors on a TV. A true white or gray is achieved when the three primary colors are in correct balance. Measuring the "whiteness" of gray at various light intensities measures the accuracy of the balance of the three primary colors and is how one determines how to adjust the White Balance settings to achieve a well-balance reproduction of colors.

4. Grayscale measurements and the adjustment made to White Balance using those measurements actually has nothing to do with the blackness of the blacks... that's determined by the Brightness setting. That and perhaps the Backlight setting.

5. Other things in addition to the White Balance settings affect the accuracy of the colors. Hue and Color Temperature are other important settings that affect the accuracy of the colors that are displayed.
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post #247 of 1418
11/17/06 at 4:11pm
Kudos to petmic10. I adjusted my newly arrived XBR2 this afternoon to your calibrations. The picture is now a truly joy to behold! Even SD Tivo is very watchable with your settings. Dish HD upgrade arrives tomorrow; can't wait to watch football.

Thank you petmic10!
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post #248 of 1418
11/17/06 at 5:11pm
Hey Petmic,

Shouldnt I be able to have DRC completely disabled when running native 1080p content?? I got a PS3 today and my DRC mode is stuck on Mode 1 when watching Bluray movies or playing games...I am using your 360 custom settings for the time being, but the DRC is on Mode 1 and is grayed out so I cant disable it. Any ideas??

I thought having Game Mode ON was supposed to disable DRC...poopoo.
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post #249 of 1418
11/17/06 at 5:59pm
i updated my 1080p dvi to hdmi pc setup
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post8578389
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xbox 360 set up.
component input and 1080i on xbox 360

tv set up (i have mine set up for my 6ft seating distance so it doesn't burn my eyes )
picture
picture mode-custom
backlight-min (2-3 if you want something brighter)
picture-90
brightness-45 (48-50 if you want something brighter)
color-50
hue-0
color temp.-warm 2
sharpness-55
noise reduction-off

advanced settings
black correction-off
advanced c.e.-off
gamma-medium
clear white-high (i like white whites with out a reddish ting but you choose between high and low which looks best)
live color-medium
color space-wide
white balance-all set to 0
detail enhancer-medium
edge enhancer-high

screen
wide mode-full
auto wide-off
display area-full pixel

setup
game mode-on (although i have no idea what this does and have yet to see the difference even while playing games on pc or xbox 360)
light sensor-off
power saving-off

screen
wide mode-full
auto wide-off
display area-full pixel
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post #250 of 1418
11/18/06 at 7:28am
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Originally Posted by SonnyC79 View Post

Hey Petmic,

Shouldnt I be able to have DRC completely disabled when running native 1080p content?? I got a PS3 today and my DRC mode is stuck on Mode 1 when watching Bluray movies or playing games...I am using your 360 custom settings for the time being, but the DRC is on Mode 1 and is grayed out so I cant disable it. Any ideas??

I thought having Game Mode ON was supposed to disable DRC...poopoo.

I really can't honestly answer your question as I don't have any 1080p content
feeding my XBR. My 360 is set to 1080i via component and in game mode in
disables DRC. My Toshiba HD-A1 HD-DVD is set to 1080i also but I have DRC
mode 1 enabled.

Try setting your PS3 to output 1080i for the time being and then see if you
can disable DRC. If you can, disable it, and then set your PS3 back to output
1080p.
Until I get something that outputs 1080p I can't really test anything.
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post #251 of 1418
11/18/06 at 7:57am
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Originally Posted by GVLBob View Post

1. The "Color" setting on the Sony TV adjusts the color intensity or saturation and thus theoretically shouldn't affect the color balance of the TV.

2. The " Picture" setting adjusts the picture contrast and thus theoretically shouldn't affect the color balance.

So it is probably correct to say that changing the color or picture settings shouldn't mess with the accuracy of the White Balance settings.

3. However, grayscale calibration has EVERYTHING to do with the accurate production of colors on a TV. A true white or gray is achieved when the three primary colors are in correct balance. Measuring the "whiteness" of gray at various light intensities measures the accuracy of the balance of the three primary colors and is how one determines how to adjust the White Balance settings to achieve a well-balance reproduction of colors.

4. Grayscale measurements and the adjustment made to White Balance using those measurements actually has nothing to do with the blackness of the blacks... that's determined by the Brightness setting. That and perhaps the Backlight setting.

5. Other things in addition to the White Balance settings affect the accuracy of the colors. Hue and Color Temperature are other important settings that affect the accuracy of the colors that are displayed.

1. I agree

2. I agree

3. I agree

4. I agree with an explanation. The brightness and backlight settings do affect the black levels, but accurate Grayscale helps ensure that black images are as close to black as possible and white images are as close to white as possible.

Grayscale is more than just black and white, the color gray is created when
the three primary colors(Red,Blue,Green) are blended perfectly to create the
color grey by adjusting the correct gain and bias controls, the results assures
that the tv will create better black and white images.

So technically the grayscale adjustments do not affect the blacks the same way Brightness and Backlight do, but when grayscale is calibrated correctly it will
help the tv create better black images.

5. I agree
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post #252 of 1418
11/18/06 at 4:00pm
Is the BR2 the same as the BR3 for settings and is the BR3 the same as the euro X model (edit forget the above BR2 and 3 Im a spounge head just reliased its the same model hehe). Sorry to ask but Im due to get my X 46" on Monday here in the UK and I want some lovely settings off here so I can set it up quickly (Ive got a 360 with GOW and COD3 sat here unopened waiting and due to get a Japanese PS3 delivered Monday as well so desperate!). Thanks for any help in advance!

Also is it better to use the 360 in 1080i over 720p (our units in europe wont output in 1080p other than HDMI) on the X model?
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post #253 of 1418
11/18/06 at 8:37pm
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Originally Posted by petmic10 View Post

Actually, no it doesn't. This is a common misconception. Color has nothing
to do with White Balance(grayscale).

Grayscale does not effect how the tv will produce color on color images.

Grayscale calibration only effects how the tv produces black through gray to white. It ensures that blacks are as close to black as possible and whites are
as close to white as possible without any unwanted colors.


Tried the 360 settings again and boosted color to 68. The result?

No more washed out colors and a color accuracy that remains consistent (ran it through calman/spyder calibration w/ getgray). The picture detail is amazing and the color accuracy is spot on to the eyes! Thanks petmic10 for sharing your 360 and HDTV settings!!!
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post #254 of 1418
11/19/06 at 3:18am
Petmic10,

Does your oringinal calibration settings work for normal TV mode as well? What I mean is I won't have any boxes hooked to my XBR3. No cable no satellite boxes. So I will basically just be accepting over the air HD signals and regular TV views. The only thing I'll have hooked up to the TV is the xbox 360 and the PS2. Using your Xbox360 calibration settings through monster component cables on component input 1.

Btw, will the PS2 look any better on this TV? What kind of cables should I use when connecting the PS2 to the XBR3?
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post #255 of 1418
11/19/06 at 6:10am
SonnyC79 and others with "Greyed out options":

My understanding is that when an option is "Greyed Out" the TV is overriding the setting, not allowing the user to change the setting. If at some point the input being used was able to be set to let's say for example DRC Mode 1, and the that same input is then sent a 1080p signal where DRC is not the optimal setting, thr TV automatically turns it off (greyed out). Same thing happens with Cinemotion, you can turn it on when it is being fed a 480i signal, but feed that same input a 1080i signal and that option will be "Greyed Out" because the TV will override that setting.

Later...
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post #256 of 1418
11/19/06 at 6:12am
For some reason, NBC HD broadcasts have a greenish bar at the top of my 46XBR2. I noticed this last week during the NFL Sunday Night game and over in the HD Programming forum I was given the advice to "turn on overscan at least 2%".

Does anyone know if a) this would solve the problem on the XBR2 and b) if so, where is this "overscan" setting and c) would adjusting the overscan to compensate for the NBC issue mess up the amazing picture quality I'm getting on all the other channels?

Thanks.

BJ
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post #257 of 1418
11/19/06 at 6:51am
In response to the overscan post, I've noticed the same thing when I use "full pixel" instead of "normal". Broadcasts vary with what I see when I use "full pixel" but I see no difference in picture quality when I use "normal" mode. Other than a very slight increase in picture area, I see no benefit in using "full pixel". Personally, I don't feel you gain enough to have to put up with those distracting (at least for me) overscan lines.

Later...
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post #258 of 1418
11/19/06 at 10:07am
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Originally Posted by TheCommander View Post

Petmic10,

Does your oringinal calibration settings work for normal TV mode as well? What I mean is I won't have any boxes hooked to my XBR3. No cable no satellite boxes. So I will basically just be accepting over the air HD signals and regular TV views. The only thing I'll have hooked up to the TV is the xbox 360 and the PS2. Using your Xbox360 calibration settings through monster component cables on component input 1.

Btw, will the PS2 look any better on this TV? What kind of cables should I use when connecting the PS2 to the XBR3?

Yes settings will work for over the air antenna signals also.

Use my XBOX 360 settings that I posted, these are very close, but some people
have bumped up the color control a little for the "wow" factor.

If you are use to playing XBOX 360 the PS2 will definately dissapoint you as far
as visuals are concerned even on this tv. Its like comparing an HD broadcast to a SD broadcast. As far as cables are concerned I would use at least component
cables for the PS2.
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post #259 of 1418
11/19/06 at 2:50pm
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Originally Posted by petmic10 View Post

Yes settings will work for over the air antenna signals also.

Use my XBOX 360 settings that I posted, these are very close, but some people
have bumped up the color control a little for the "wow" factor.

If you are use to playing XBOX 360 the PS2 will definately dissapoint you as far
as visuals are concerned even on this tv. Its like comparing an HD broadcast to a SD broadcast. As far as cables are concerned I would use at least component
cables for the PS2.


Thanks, helpful guy you are.
What was that wow factor? Color Control in which settings menu? I will use your calibration for 360. For color control though what are they mostly augmenting?
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post #260 of 1418
11/19/06 at 3:47pm
Petmic10,

What Component cables are you using for the Xbox360? Xbox360 generic component cables that came with the system? Did you hook up the 360 via VGA? I wonder which is better.

Calibrated Component input or VGA with limiting settings.
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post #261 of 1418
11/19/06 at 4:19pm
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Originally Posted by TheCommander View Post

Thanks, helpful guy you are.
What was that wow factor? Color Control in which settings menu? I will use your calibration for 360. For color control though what are they mostly augmenting?

The Color control under settings.

After calibration it was set to 48 but try something in the 50's or experiment
whit a color setting that looks better to your own eyes.
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post #262 of 1418
11/19/06 at 4:26pm
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Originally Posted by KlDesigns View Post

Petmic10,

What Component cables are you using for the Xbox360? Xbox360 generic component cables that came with the system? Did you hook up the 360 via VGA? I wonder which is better.

Calibrated Component input or VGA with limiting settings.

I'm using the component cables that came with the 360.

I haven't tried VGA yet because of the problem with 1080p over VGA with
the XBR's. MS is still working on a patch.

Honestly, I think component would be better because of more video settings
available. (White Balance control)

Ultimately, I will connect via HDMI as MS is supposed to be announcing an
HDMI cable on 11/22 for $69.99.(knock on wood)
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post #263 of 1418
11/19/06 at 5:06pm
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Originally Posted by OhioLefty View Post

In response to the overscan post, I've noticed the same thing when I use "full pixel" instead of "normal". Broadcasts vary with what I see when I use "full pixel" but I see no difference in picture quality when I use "normal" mode. Other than a very slight increase in picture area, I see no benefit in using "full pixel". Personally, I don't feel you gain enough to have to put up with those distracting (at least for me) overscan lines.

Later...

Lefty:

I switched from "full pixel" to "normal" and that did not solve my problem.

On NBC's Sunday Night Football in 1080i via my HR10, the top inch of my XBR2 has a purple hue to it. This only happens on NBC and only happens during SNF broadcasts.

It's a recognized problem in the HDTV Programming forum; just wondering if there's a way to make it go away.

Note that this is not an area of the picture that's supposed to be dead space. It's legitimate viewing area that has a 1" purpley transparent zone. Help.

TIA

BJ
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post #264 of 1418
11/19/06 at 7:08pm
I'll try HDMI for 360 as well when they annouce it. But right now I bought some monster cables and when my TV arrive I will tell you if there is a noticeable difference or not petmic.
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post #265 of 1418
11/19/06 at 9:11pm
Does these settings work on the KDL-40V2500 like the XBR2?
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post #266 of 1418
11/19/06 at 11:05pm
is there an official announcement for the hdmi cable for xbox360? link?


component on sony sets are 1080i max i believe.

don't know if 1080p over component will look any better though.
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post #267 of 1418
11/20/06 at 9:13am
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Originally Posted by bosng View Post

is there an official announcement for the hdmi cable for xbox360? link?


component on sony sets are 1080i max i believe.

don't know if 1080p over component will look any better though.

No official announcement, just rumors of HDMI cable and 70 GB hard drive.
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post #268 of 1418
11/20/06 at 12:06pm
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Originally Posted by petmic10 View Post

No official announcement, just rumors of HDMI cable and 70 GB hard drive.

I posted a message earlier, that MS communicated to me via their 8004MYXBOX #, that an HDMI was close. YMMV but may be worth a call to them as well to see if there is a different story...

Jay S.
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post #269 of 1418
11/20/06 at 3:40pm
Mr. petmic10

Just wanted to thank you for sharing your settings with all of us. I have tried both and they are really spectacular!! However, the only adjusment I made on the 360 settings, was that I boosted the picture to 60 and the sharpness to 45. And to my eyes it is the perfect picture. Awsome!!! Thanks again

I hope sometime soon you post PS3 setings.
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post #270 of 1418
11/20/06 at 5:04pm
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Originally Posted by petmic10 View Post

Here are my Xbox 360 settings:

Picture Mode: Custom

Backlight: 2
Picture: 82
Brightness 50
Color: 48
Hue: R2
Color Temp: Warm 1
Sharpness: 25
Noise Red.: Off

Game Mode: On(Turns DRC Off)

Advanced Settings:

Black Corr.: Off
Adv. C.E.: Off
Gamma: Low
Clear White: Off
Live Color: Off
Color Space: Wide
Detail Enhancer: Off
Edge Enhancer: Off

Power Saving: Off
Display Area: Full Pixel

White Balance:

R-Gain: -3
G-Gain: -3
B-Gain: -16
R-Bias: -4
G-Bias: -2
B-Bias: -1

These settings are close to the digital settings I posted the other day. There
were some slight changes in the White Balance. A liitle more color was needed
for the component connections but basically everything was within a few clicks
of each other.

Try these settings out and let me know what you think.

Thanks mate you saved my day as mine just arrived!
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