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post #481 of 1418
What is the best method to use for pc use like watching videos and surf web? Hdmi or the VGA wire?
post #482 of 1418
I have the sony kdl-40xbr3, motorola dct3416 I DVR HD tuner, Onkyo tx-sr674, and a samsung HD-860 up conversion dvd player.

1) Petmic10,

thank you for your settings. i think they are terrific.

2) I did put Black corrector and enhanced C.E. to low though to give me more deeper blacks. To all: is this bad? what does it do in terms of negative vs positive or is it just a personal thing?

3) can anyone tell me what i want to set my HDMI settings to, usually i have the option of RGB (for example RGB - Normal and RGB - something else) OR yBbBC 4:4:4: OR ybBBc 1:1:4: or something like those. what is the difference?

the dvd player and the motorola box have the HDMI selection i was reffering to above. and i have the motorola box set to output 1080i because it doesnt have an "auto" feature, and the dvd player set to auto.

4) Standard Def question:

I have everything hooked up with HDMI cables and the dvd and cable look fantastic on the HD channels but when i switch to a normal cahnnel (like say channel 2,4,5 or 7) it is all distorted and pixelated and sound is choppy and non existent sometimes. is this a motorola box issue? it also happens when i hook up component cables and/or hook up directly to the tv with the cable box. any suggestions? i think i am just going to take the box and exchange it at the comcast service center. any ideas?

thanks for helping!

Linkin8r
post #483 of 1418
We recently updated our Home Theater system with the following.
Sony KDL-46XBR2
Denon AVR-2807
OPPDV970HD DVD
Directv H20 HD Receiver
TC 30 remote
Paradigm surround speakers
Directv HD

I have playing around with everything the past two days and so have managed getting the HDMI working with the avr-2807 and oppdv970HD. Setting everything up was difficult and I know I don't understand how to get the best settings for what we are using.

I notice I cannot fill the screen on some local stations. I think this is because of their broadcast, not sure?

Just getting the HDMI switching for the recvr, TV, and DVD player took several hours. The learning curve is pretty steep. So far I am pleased with the HDMI switching and no issues that I am aware of at this point. I have a lot to learn :-)
post #484 of 1418
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Originally Posted by NS91 View Post

oppo DV-981HD 1080p Up-Converting Universal DVD Player (HDMI)

i have the xbr46 and was wondering if anyone has the new oppo dvd upconverter. i have recently read alot of good things about it. so any information on this would be greatly appreciated.

The 981 thread (in the std DVD player section of avsforum.com forums) is the right place to look for & discuss info on the 981 (except to add that I see no macroblocking enhancement issue with my XBR2).
post #485 of 1418
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Originally Posted by JayS99 View Post

Petmic10,
I'm not sure about sharper as much as definately smoother (like butter) Compared to Component which I found sharper, but you have the added ability for some control there. Like some others, I've found the VGA side to be less strong in the contrast and the colors to be more muted. Red is still red, but doesn't seem to pop the way to does on 1080i Component on the XBox 360..

Jay S.

Yes, component gives a much more saturated look which most people prefer.
I, however am impressed with the accuracy of the color over VGA even with
limited settings to adjust. I was never a big fan of an overly saturated
picture. It all boils down to your personal preference I guess.
post #486 of 1418
How do I get my tv to upscale everything to 1080p?
post #487 of 1418
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Originally Posted by JayS99 View Post

Verse,
I got it better, but still not the same. I have to admit though that when I jumped back to component it almost looked too bright and brassy now.. May have to turn it down some more! It seems to be a contrast issue on the VGA side, as well as colors just being more muted. I've not tried cool for color.. just was working with Neutral. The warm settings muted things more. Yes, and HDMI output for the 360 would be great!

Jay S.

Does the Xbox 360 come with a HDMI connection? or Is it in the planning stage? That would make the xbox a little more attractive. PS3 comes with the HDMI already that is why I was leaning toward that one.
post #488 of 1418
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Originally Posted by linkin8r View Post

I have the sony kdl-40xbr3, motorola dct3416 I DVR HD tuner, Onkyo tx-sr674, and a samsung HD-860 up conversion dvd player.
4) Standard Def question:
I have everything hooked up with HDMI cables and the dvd and cable look fantastic on the HD channels but when i switch to a normal cahnnel (like say channel 2,4,5 or 7) it is all distorted and pixelated and sound is choppy and non existent sometimes. is this a motorola box issue? it also happens when i hook up component cables and/or hook up directly to the tv with the cable box. any suggestions? i think i am just going to take the box and exchange it at the comcast service center. any ideas?
thanks for helping!
Linkin8r

Why would you be going to those channels? Aren't they you local channels and you have a sister HD channel coming in also? If you have the HD channels you should never go back to the SD sister channel, because they would look inferior no matter what you do. As for the other SD channel like TBS, USA, SCI-fi, com, FX etc. It would depend on a few factors but the main thing is signal strength, if it is low your SD channels would look bad. I assumed you did the basics. Upgrading your splitters and checking all coax cables to make sure they are all in good condition with not cuts or slits and the connectors are tight. If you have a CRT TV near your HDTV that you can compare signal. Study the reg TV and see how bad the signal is. Trust me you will notice a lot of prolems once you are use to an HD signal. I did that and I couldn't believe how bad reg DTV looked on my CRT. This is the asame TV that I was amazed how DTV look on it a couple of years ago. That is the signal going to you HDTV so if you get the same effect like I did. Your new HDTV won't process the signal an better. Don't get me wrong not all SD channels look bad Because they don't, but you can't nit pick and make sure you watch it at a normal viewing distance. I still watch SD and it has it's moments when I can't watch at all but the majority of the time it is ok to good. I hope this helped. Let me know if all works out well.
post #489 of 1418
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Originally Posted by mefromfl View Post

How do I get my tv to upscale everything to 1080p?

This TV has a max output display of 1080p but you need a 1080p source to display it. This display will only be at 1080i but the difference is in the lines. We are getting a true 1080i signal because the TV has the proper res of 1920x1080, no upconverting needed to display any signal. The more lines the better the quality. !080p would only be displayed with a HD-DVD, Blur-Ray, or the PS3. Even that may questionable, the techies can explain that further if you want the numbers answer. Either way this TV displays some fantasic 1080i.
post #490 of 1418
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Originally Posted by nuttyinnyc View Post

This TV has a max output display of 1080p but you need a 1080p source to display it. This display will only be at 1080i but the difference is in the lines. We are getting a true 1080i signal because the TV has the proper res of 1920x1080, no upconverting needed to display any signal. The more lines the better the quality. !080p would only be displayed with a HD-DVD, Blur-Ray, or the PS3. Even that may questionable, the techies can explain that further if you want the numbers answer. Either way this TV displays some fantasic 1080i.


I guess what I mean is how do i know if my tv is doing the upscaling? What do i need to set for it to do auto upscaling?
post #491 of 1418
Quote:
Originally Posted by mefromfl View Post

I guess what I mean is how do i know if my tv is doing the upscaling? What do i need to set for it to do auto upscaling?

This tv's native resolution is 1920 x 1080 progressive so no matter what
signal you send (480i, 480p, 720p, or 1080i) it will process it and output
1080p.

If you send a 1080p/60 signal than the tv doesn't do any processing.
post #492 of 1418
I still do not get it.

I know the SD channels will not look good and I know that i should be watching the HD sister station and I do, but the other 75 channels from 1 to 167 or whatever do not come in as well! the HD is the only thing that is coming in! channels 173 to like 208 are fine! They should still work because i have the same box on my other HD set and all come in so i was trying to see if anyone else had this problem and could give me some easy troubleshooting steps with my setup.

thanks,


linkin8r
post #493 of 1418
Quote:
Originally Posted by linkin8r View Post

I still do not get it.

I know the SD channels will not look good and I know that i should be watching the HD sister station and I do, but the other 75 channels from 1 to 167 or whatever do not come in as well! the HD is the only thing that is coming in! channels 173 to like 208 are fine! They should still work because i have the same box on my other HD set and all come in so i was trying to see if anyone else had this problem and could give me some easy troubleshooting steps with my setup.

thanks,


linkin8r

How bad are they? Are they totally unwatchable? This sounds like a new issue. I don't think I have ever read something like this. Which box are you using? Is the other TV HD? Are your splitters new? are the cables new? Which cables are you using component or HDMI? Which company are you with? I am just trying to get as much information as possible so we can help you. Anything you think you can add, feel free to do so. There has to be something you are missing in your explanation. Unless you want your SD to look like your HD then my friend you are a good dreamer because that won't happen. Help us help you, where is that line from? Sorry linkin, went OT.
post #494 of 1418
After testing a few of the settings given here, I've decided I liked this one the best. It's a derivation of something another user had posted, and I feel that this one gives the "realest" picture available. Feel free to test it and give suggestions on how to make it better. I understand that different sets calibrate differently. I've also tried petmic's settings but the colors were way too dark and green for my tastes. It looked like there was a haze or fog over the pictures.

BL 3
Picture 91
Brightness 51
Color 48
Hue G1
Color Temp: Neutral
Sharpness 30
NR Off
DRC Mode 1
DRC Palette 45, 15
Black Corrector Off
Advanced CE Off
Gamma Low
Clear White Off
Live Color Low
Color Space Wide
White Balance R-Gain -4, G-Gain -2, B-Gain 0, R-Bias -3, G-Bias -1, B-Bias 0
Detail Enhancer Off
Edge Enhancer Off

Power Saver Off
Cinemotion Auto
post #495 of 1418
hey guys, i just wanna voice in on something. A while back i was using petmics settings for my htpc setup w/ a laptop connected thru div->hdmi. I said that the image was too dark and i posted some pictures stating that bumping brightness up was a lot better picture than what petmic stated.
Well, since then i have built a new system, e6600 w/ a 8800GTS...and now the settings w/ the increased brightness was TOO bright, i went back to petmics old settings and damn, it was perfect!!
My main point is, that the source matters, use petmics settings at a starting block and adjust it to your liking.

Thanks
post #496 of 1418
Quote:
Originally Posted by nuttyinnyc View Post

How bad are they? Are they totally unwatchable? This sounds like a new issue. I don't think I have ever read something like this. Which box are you using? Is the other TV HD? Are your splitters new? are the cables new? Which cables are you using component or HDMI? Which company are you with? I am just trying to get as much information as possible so we can help you. Anything you think you can add, feel free to do so. There has to be something you are missing in your explanation. Unless you want your SD to look like your HD then my friend you are a good dreamer because that won't happen. Help us help you, where is that line from? Sorry linkin, went OT.

They are not showing anything at all, but the comcast menu and a blue box saying "one moment please". All channels from 002 to 100, after that, they all work including all the high def stations. Last box i had (same box i traded in) did this but instead of showing "one moment please" it was like undistingishable picture with lines slower than others, pixilated, i mean like when you were 14 trying to watch scrambled skinimax show or something....not a bad picture, but like a puzzle that was not finsihed yet....

Here is my setup and what i have done to troubleshoot it:

I have comcast HD, cable hooked directly to my comcast (2nd box in a week so i am sure it is not the box) Motorola DCT 3416I box. From the comcast box, i am hooked to my Onkyo TX-SR674 receiver using HDMI cable, from that, i am hooked up to my Sony kdl-40xbr3 LCD using HDMI also. DCT3416I is set to 1080i (no bypass or auto) and 4:3 overide set to OFF (i tried 480i, 480p and strech but didn't help).

I have tried uising component cables from the comcast dct3416I to the receiver and still no change.

I have tried hooking the HDMI cable directly to the tv bypassing the receiver but still no change.

I have NOT tried hooking the comcast box directly to the tv with component cables only yet because i find it very odd that i get 100 and up and the SD stations with smaller bandwidth or whatever I get so? what else can i do?

Furthermore, I have a similar box in my other room (motorola dct3412I) that is hooked up to an HD set and gets all channels fine.

So, you think it is the coax cable going to my backroom box? but then why would i get the HD channels and some SD (100 to 172 and so on)? I don't get it. Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks for your time and Merry Christmas !!!

Linkin8r
post #497 of 1418
Quote:
Originally Posted by linkin8r View Post

They are not showing anything at all, but the comcast menu and a blue box saying "one moment please". All channels from 002 to 100, after that, they all work including all the high def stations. Last box i had (same box i traded in) did this but instead of showing "one moment please" it was like undistingishable picture with lines slower than others, pixilated, i mean like when you were 14 trying to watch scrambled skinimax show or something....not a bad picture, but like a puzzle that was not finsihed yet....

Here is my setup and what i have done to troubleshoot it:

I have comcast HD, cable hooked directly to my comcast (2nd box in a week so i am sure it is not the box) Motorola DCT 3416I box. From the comcast box, i am hooked to my Onkyo TX-SR674 receiver using HDMI cable, from that, i am hooked up to my Sony kdl-40xbr3 LCD using HDMI also. DCT3416I is set to 1080i (no bypass or auto) and 4:3 overide set to OFF (i tried 480i, 480p and strech but didn't help).

I have tried uising component cables from the comcast dct3416I to the receiver and still no change.

I have tried hooking the HDMI cable directly to the tv bypassing the receiver but still no change.

I have NOT tried hooking the comcast box directly to the tv with component cables only yet because i find it very odd that i get 100 and up and the SD stations with smaller bandwidth or whatever I get so? what else can i do?

Furthermore, I have a similar box in my other room (motorola dct3412I) that is hooked up to an HD set and gets all channels fine.

So, you think it is the coax cable going to my backroom box? but then why would i get the HD channels and some SD (100 to 172 and so on)? I don't get it. Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks for your time and Merry Christmas !!!

Linkin8r

It's probably the coax coming into the cable box. I had a similar problem with random pixelation and various channels getting the "One moment please" from the Comcast DC3416. It all went away once I removed the cheapo coax splitter I had installed right before the box. Your situation might not be the same, but from what you described it sounds like you're not getting a clean signal from your coax. Just make sure you have a straight feed into your box, with no splitters, coax surge-protectors, etc and see if that solves the problem.
post #498 of 1418
anyone have good settings for the ps3, through an HDMI connection?
post #499 of 1418
XBOX360 Resolution?

I have an XBOX360 via VGA into the XBR2 with the new update that supports 1080p. The 360 is on its 1080p setting and the XBR2 is on the 1920 x 1080 setting.

Before the 1080p update, I was using the 360 on its 720p setting and back then I created jpegs that stream from my PC to the 360 that are 1360 x 768 so that they filled the screen with no black borders.

Question: If both the 360 and the XBR2 are set properly for 1920 x 1080 resolution, how come the jpegs I built at 1360 x 768 still fill the screen? Shouldn't they be smaller and in need of a re-creation in the larger pixel dimension?

I ask because I was of the understanding that with both the 360 and the XBR2 connected via VGA there's be no processing/scaling and thus the surprise that a 1360 x 768 image would completely fill every one of the 1080p's 1920 x 1080 pixels.

Any ideas?

BJ
post #500 of 1418
You have to remember that the Xbox 360 has a "native" or internal resolution of 720p I believe, so if you use any higher resolution the output is probably getting scaled unless a game has been specially coded to support 1080p (none so far).
post #501 of 1418
I was looking at a 46XBR2 today at the local Sony store. They had 3 sets out. They all looked good but on white lettering and stuff you can see a little red bleeding off. When I had my RPTV CRT I could fix this with the convergence page but is there anything I can do in these new LCD's to fix this? Thanks for any help.
post #502 of 1418
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Originally Posted by suthrn View Post

I was looking at a 46XBR2 today at the local Sony store. They had 3 sets out. They all looked good but on white lettering and stuff you can see a little red bleeding off. When I had my RPTV CRT I could fix this with the convergence page but is there anything I can do in these new LCD's to fix this? Thanks for any help.

Any TV on display in any store is going to look like crap due to the fact that the manufacturers crank the contrast, brightness, and color to make it stand out from the other 15 choices hanging on the wall next to it.

The answer to your question: Yes. Oh, yes. Read the XBR2 "calibration" thread.

BJ
post #503 of 1418
Quote:
Originally Posted by boltjames View Post

Any TV on display in any store is going to look like crap due to the fact that the manufacturers crank the contrast, brightness, and color to make it stand out from the other 15 choices hanging on the wall next to it.

The answer to your question: Yes. Oh, yes. Read the XBR2 "calibration" thread.

BJ

Thought this was the XBR calibration page? Am I missing something.
post #504 of 1418
Nice thread; I just got one of these TVs, I'll definitely be reading this with interest.
post #505 of 1418
Dont the 40" and 46 inch use different panel technologies?

Would this make a difference If I apply 46" settings for my 40" XBR2?
post #506 of 1418
Quote:
Originally Posted by atct86 View Post

Dont the 40" and 46 inch use different panel technologies?

Would this make a difference If I apply 46" settings for my 40" XBR2?


No difference in panels except for size. Settings will work just as well on a 40"
post #507 of 1418
I'm having problems turning on "game mode". The option is greyed out and I can't even select it. Anybody have ideas? I have my Xbox 360 hooked up via component if that makes a difference, thanks.

Edit: NM, got it. That was dumb.
post #508 of 1418
I have a question, i have SA HD8300 and i dont have that pass thru option for my hdmi. I called TWCNYC and they gave me a lame excuse that they dont support HDMI...hehehe i said but your box has HDMI output. She was like: well we didnt give you that cable right? You bought it and you have to call the company that makes that cable and your tv....hehehe.

How can i pass thru my box (passport)......thanks.
post #509 of 1418
A question about lighting conditions: I'm trying out petmic10's settings (as per: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post8867644), but it's in a very non-controlled environment. During the day, there's plenty of sunlight in the living room, and even at night, it's sometimes watched with the light on.

Are the settings discussed in this thread (like petmic10's) meant only for dark-room environments? Or will I still get good results in non-controlled lighting?

Edit: Also, on a related note, what about the Light Sensor? petmic10's setting look great on the Off setting, but too dark when the Light Sensor is On, unless the lights are off.
post #510 of 1418
Hmmmm, I think I must have done something wrong. All the settings in this thread have a Black Corrector set to Off, but my blacks look atrocious with that setting. I've taken some photos to illustrate. (Disclaimer: these were quick shots in a completely dark room, with a DSLR, without tripod; yes, they're skaky, but they're good enough to illustrate my problem; no Photoshop adjustments were made beyond a simple resize).

The DVD I'm using is the Criterion release of "The Testament of Dr. Mabuse", which is interesting for two reasons: first, it's 1.19:1 aspect ratio, so we see the XBR2's black bars on the side; second, the movie itself has these little black bars built into the picture. I'm using petmic10's settings (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post8867644), in a dark room (night, drapes, lights off), with Light Sensor On, and I get the following:



Zooming in (Photoshop resize) on the red rectangle:



Obviously, the difference between black bars 2 and 3 is horrid. These should be the same value, since it's asking the TV for the deepest black it can produce.

Now, what happens when the Black Corrector is turned from Off to Low, Medium or High (again, focus on the difference between the black vertical bars on the sides):






Now, you've all got Black Corrector Off and seem happy with the results. I'm not. But I'm a complete A/V newbie, so I must have made some mistake somewhere in the settings. Any ideas?
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