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post #1471 of 2816
Although UMR and myself have had our disagreements, he is a VERY good calibrator, and I would probably list him a one of the top 3 in the country.

I do find his comments about the Pioneer Elites interesting as they are contradictive to some of his previous posts. Perhaps he is paying more attention to the specific model number he is calibrating now.
post #1472 of 2816
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Originally Posted by KOAI View Post

Upon power up of my 1140 I get a display window thats saying 'starting up, please wait'.
Can anyone explain the reason for this?
Thanks

I just got my 1140 last week and as part of the shipping material was a notice that a display window would pop up the first time the set was powered up and that this was normal. Last night the power went out as we were watching the TV and the window popped up again. I don't believe it is related to a cable box since I don't have one. I do think that it is looking for sources though. Enjoy your TV and learn from my mistake and only lightly wipe the black bezel with the special cleaning cloth.
post #1473 of 2816
for the detailed description of your experience and decision with getting your tv calibrated.
post #1474 of 2816
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Originally Posted by russwong View Post

I hadn't posted any initial thoughts, but since you ask, I guess I will....

Russ

Thank you very, very much Russ for your post! I for one appreciate it and thank you for your honesty.
post #1475 of 2816
Not sure if this post should be in the Burn-in/SA8300HD thread but after searching those threads and not really seeing an answer i'll give it a shot here. I am new owner of a 1140 and am starting to get a little concerned about the on screen info/guide/menu from the Cable box that pops up when channel surfing. I think i can see a little IR from this and i have only had the set a couple of weeks(already completed the break-in period using D-nice settings and still continuing with those settings). I am not too worried about this issue yet but was hoping to get some possible feedback from people with some plasma experience(My first HDTV/Plasma) as to what if anything you guys are doing to minimize the risk of B/I and I/R from the on screen info/guides/menu's that display every time you channel surf with a STB. Doesn't appear that this info bar can be eliminated. I can only imagine that over time this info bar will burn-in pretty nice.
Thanks
Tony
post #1476 of 2816
I've never had IR issues with my SA8300s.
post #1477 of 2816
Thread Starter 
Are you in Pure mode? Make sure that the intput you are using is the one set to D-Nice's settings. I just don't see how you would have I/R just from using the guide from channel surfing, unless you never stop, but even still I haven't had any issues, but at the same time I'm not staring look for it. I played gears of war for 6 straight hours and nothing stood out as an issue.

Russ


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Originally Posted by paradigm20s View Post

Not sure if this post should be in the Burn-in/SA8300HD thread but after searching those threads and not really seeing an answer i'll give it a shot here. I am new owner of a 1140 and am starting to get a little concerned about the on screen info/guide/menu from the Cable box that pops up when channel surfing. I think i can see a little IR from this and i have only had the set a couple of weeks(already completed the break-in period using D-nice settings and still continuing with those settings). I am not too worried about this issue yet but was hoping to get some possible feedback from people with some plasma experience(My first HDTV/Plasma) as to what if anything you guys are doing to minimize the risk of B/I and I/R from the on screen info/guides/menu's that display every time you channel surf with a STB. Doesn't appear that this info bar can be eliminated. I can only imagine that over time this info bar will burn-in pretty nice.
Thanks
Tony
post #1478 of 2816
Maybe im just looking too hard. Just thought that over time it might stay there as it is used everyday for a decent amount of time . I could just be paranoid though as I feel like i spent good money on this set and want to insure i dont make a big mistake, I had a samsung plasma, a mitsubishi DLP and a 5070 all in home demos before deciding on this one if that gives you any idea how cautious (or anal) i was. And thanks D-Nice for all the useful info you have contributed here. Part of the reason i went with this set.
Thanks
post #1479 of 2816
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Originally Posted by russwong View Post

Are you in Pure mode? Make sure that the intput you are using is the one set to D-Nice's settings. I just don't see how you would have I/R just from using the guide from channel surfing, unless you never stop, but even still I haven't had any issues, but at the same time I'm not staring look for it. I played gears of war for 6 straight hours and nothing stood out as an issue.

Russ

Yeah i'm in pure mode. I don't think i'm excessive about surfing but there are a lot of channels to go through and sometimes the menu is up there for a while and it is up there everyday for a little while. Just wasn't sure if this would be an issue in the long run. It would appear that I am just being a little overy cautious and it was only a little IR.
Thanks for the fast reply.
Tony
post #1480 of 2816
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Originally Posted by russwong View Post

I had my set calibrated by umr from the forums here......All in all, it was a great experience and the video is better. There have been numerous debates on if calibration is worth it and my stance is still the same. If you don't care about getting the most out of your display and are happy with what you see now, then it's probably not right for you. If you want to make sure you get the best out of it, then I think it's worth considering.

I have a lot of noise and compression artifacts with ny SD E* signal (surprise, surprise ).

Did you have any problems with noise, and was your calibration able to tweak them out or at least make them less noticable and distracting?
post #1481 of 2816
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

I have a lot of noise and compression artifacts with ny SD E* signal (surprise, surprise ).

Did you have any problems with noise, and was your calibration able to tweak them out or at least make them less noticable and distracting?

You know what, now that I think about it, we never even really bothered looking at SD broadcast items. We looked at SD DVDs and I never once noticed any artifacts. As a matter of fact, I remember looking at his 16:9 SD dvd playing in the ps3 and a few scenes that were right up to a person's face and I thought to myself, damn that looks pretty damn good! I had to remind myself that it wasn't HD. It just looked good.

In my case, we turned off all the NR and such, which I understand the reasoning, but then you kinda wonder why it's all in their then if everyone is turning off a lot of it. Maybe it's meant for inputs that aren't of high quality....

So sorry I can't really answer your question, since we looked at all good sources and I belive my cable is a good source as well, so I haven't had any issues.

Russ
post #1482 of 2816
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Originally Posted by paradigm20s View Post

Not sure if this post should be in the Burn-in/SA8300HD thread but after searching those threads and not really seeing an answer i'll give it a shot here. I am new owner of a 1140 and am starting to get a little concerned about the on screen info/guide/menu from the Cable box that pops up when channel surfing. I think i can see a little IR from this and i have only had the set a couple of weeks(already completed the break-in period using D-nice settings and still continuing with those settings). I am not too worried about this issue yet but was hoping to get some possible feedback from people with some plasma experience(My first HDTV/Plasma) as to what if anything you guys are doing to minimize the risk of B/I and I/R from the on screen info/guides/menu's that display every time you channel surf with a STB. Doesn't appear that this info bar can be eliminated. I can only imagine that over time this info bar will burn-in pretty nice.
Thanks
Tony

Everything you could possibly want to know on this subject is contained in the following thread... Post # 1230 is a good summary, but reading it all will give you plenty of feedback/guidelines/suggestions.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&page=43&pp=30


The short of it is, pure mode, full screen, minimize logo's, etc. for the first couple hundred hours. Whether or not you use the break in settings and break in disk is your option. Many have, many have not. I chose to do so, and it removed all of the IR that I experienced from being stupid, and overly watching a channel with a bright logo during the first 100 hours. So, you could think about taking that path, if you have some IR. Or, you could just do nothing, be careful, and it will go away eventually.

Take some time and read the thread, though. If nothing else, it will make you feel better

-steve
post #1483 of 2816
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Originally Posted by stevec325 View Post

The short of it is, pure mode, full screen, minimize logo's, etc. for the first couple hundred hours.

Great advice Steve. I think however when you said view in full screen, you really meant to watch SD in WIDE, CINEMA, or ZOOM mode to reduce bars during break-in. Switch to FULL mode for HD signals.
post #1484 of 2816
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Originally Posted by russwong View Post

As a matter of fact, I remember looking at his 16:9 SD dvd playing in the ps3 and a few scenes that were right up to a person's face and I thought to myself, damn that looks pretty damn good! I had to remind myself that it wasn't HD. It just looked good.

Russ, I'm curious...do you mind telling us what SD DVD umr used? My guess is he carries it with him because it is a good reference SD DVD with images that help tweak detail, color, etc.
post #1485 of 2816
Guys, My Pro-1540 is noisy in the back.. The Noise reflects off the wall it's against and you can hear it when you pause the show or have it at low volumes.

Apparently in talking with some guys in Best buy today, theirs does it also.

I wonder if we should put an SPL meter at the back and see if it picks up the noise ?

I am bummed that such a gorgeous TV has issues like this..

What do you think ?
post #1486 of 2816
I have the HR20/700 Dvr box hooked up to the Pro-1540 with both HDMI and Component video.

It's very weird but sometimes the component pictures seems more vibrant and better.. The HDMI picture does not seem to be much better if any than the COmp. PIcture. This is not to say they both dont look great, they do.. I just thought in this case we would see HDMI looking much better ?

Also, This TV is right out of the box with no settings yet..
post #1487 of 2816
Not too weird, some people prefer component over HDMI, and vice-versa. One thing to check, make sure you are using the same A/V selection for both component and HDMI if you are trying to compare. For example, make sure you compare both of them in the PURE mode.
post #1488 of 2816
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Originally Posted by VGI View Post

Guys, My Pro-1540 is noisy in the back.. The Noise reflects off the wall it's against and you can hear it when you pause the show or have it at low volumes.

Apparently in talking with some guys in Best buy today, theirs does it also.

I wonder if we should put an SPL meter at the back and see if it picks up the noise ?

I am bummed that such a gorgeous TV has issues like this..

What do you think ?

This may sound "off the wall", but I will say that if my incomming 1140D emits noise that is bouncing off the wall, I will see about making a thin but sturdy rectangle that will be about 6 inches wide and as long as the tv. Then I will cover that frame with the same cloth cover you can use for speakers and fill the frame with thin pieces of foam to absorb the sound and tac it to the wall behind the TV.

I live in 'Vegas which mean high electric cost. Should I leave the TV on standbye or just turn the whole thing off?
post #1489 of 2816
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Originally Posted by Kr8z1 View Post

Russ, I'm curious...do you mind telling us what SD DVD umr used? My guess is he carries it with him because it is a good reference SD DVD with images that help tweak detail, color, etc.

Avia Pro is my primary calibration test disc.

Charlotte Gray is my reference movie for final video calibration. This movie has excellent colors, black levels, motion and significant levels of MPEG noise. Adjusting a display with this is going to be impossible unless you know what it should look like.

Toy Story II is another reference movie for final video calibration. This movie has highly saturated colors and will manifest different problems than the Charlotte Gray.

I use Phantom of the Opera for HD-DVD and Blu-ray. I also use the JVC HD Demo loop for HD-DVD.

Avia is my primary audio calibration test disc. I also have other test material available if surround sound is not available.

Goldline's 5.1 Audio Tool Kit is my other audio calibration disc that contains some additional tests not found on Avia that I use.

I also have custom impulse response tests (frequency sweeps and PRBS) that require special software to analyze room resonance and model equalization effects on all channels.

House of Flying Daggers is my reference audio test for surround sound. Adjusting a sound system with this is going to be impossible unless you know what it should sound like.

Janis Ian Breaking Silence is my reference stereo test disc.
post #1490 of 2816
Thread Starter 
Yeah, what he said... haha. Thanks Jeff, once again thanks for all your help! Hope I didn't misquote you or anything. It was truly a pleasure to have you at my house.

Russ

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Originally Posted by umr View Post

Avia Pro is my primary calibration test disc.

Charlotte Gray is my reference movie for final video calibration. This movie has excellent colors, black levels, motion and significant levels of MPEG noise. Adjusting a display with this is going to be impossible unless you know what it should look like.

Toy Story II is another reference movie for final video calibration. This movie has highly saturated colors and will manifest different problems than the Charlotte Gray.

I use Phantom of the Opera for HD-DVD and Blu-ray. I also use the JVC HD Demo loop for HD-DVD.

Avia is my primary audio calibration test disc. I also have other test material available if surround sound is not available.

Goldline's 5.1 Audio Tool Kit is my other audio calibration disc that contains some additional tests not found on Avia that I use.

I also have custom impulse response tests (frequency sweeps and PRBS) that require special software to analyze room resonance and model equalization effects on all channels.

House of Flying Daggers is my reference audio test for surround sound. Adjusting a sound system with this is going to be impossible unless you know what it should sound like.

Janis Ian Breaking Silence is my reference stereo test disc.
post #1491 of 2816
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Originally Posted by russwong View Post

Yeah, what he said... haha. Thanks Jeff, once again thanks for all your help! Hope I didn't misquote you or anything. It was truly a pleasure to have you at my house.

Russ

It was my pleasure to help out another enthusiast. I did not notice a misquote. I thought you might comment on the audio.
post #1492 of 2816
Wow, thank you umr! I wasn't expecting you to list everything, but thanks!
I was mostly curious what you favored to push the display, and your detailed list more than answers that. Thanks for sharing!
post #1493 of 2816
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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

Did you have any problems with noise, and was your calibration able to tweak them out or at least make them less noticable and distracting?

I am a fanatic about video noise. Much of what I do is focused at reducing this along with making the image sharp, accurate and attractive.
post #1494 of 2816
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Originally Posted by Kr8z1 View Post

Wow, thank you umr! I wasn't expecting you to list everything, but thanks!
I was mostly curious what you favored to push the display, and your detailed list more than answers that. Thanks for sharing!

I list much of that information on my website as well.
post #1495 of 2816
Hello:

I received my 940HD yesterday. I set it up last night (thanks for the handles on the rear of the set Pio - makes it easier). I set it up with the break-in settings from D-Nice.

Wow. What a great picture. I started with the old standby - discovery HD. I was amazed by how great the picture was. I had a Westy 42w2 LCD tv and the 940 picture is much better (well, take my opinion for what it's worth....we all want to feel good about our purchase).

Splotto
post #1496 of 2816
Hey y'all. I just thought I'd throw in a plug for Jeff's (umr) audio callibration as well. I had him do an audio callibration for me so that I could find out if I was right that I needed new speakers with the plasma I will buy soon and so I could pick his brain about plasmas. Let's just say the result was unbelievable. My only regret is not doing it before I put in a trillion hours on the speaker forum here researching. I'm not getting new speakers. I had no idea mine were so good. I also learned a lot and had a good time. So if you're getting a video callibration, consider doing an audio one with it. Thanks, Jeff!!!

(Oh, and by the way Jeff, I'm still "about to buy a plasma." Now I'm trying to wait for the 8 Gen. Pioneers - but soon, soon... )
post #1497 of 2816
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by umr View Post

It was my pleasure to help out another enthusiast. I did not notice a misquote. I thought you might comment on the audio.

Oh I'm so sorry, I had meant to comment about the audio in my original post... I think I forgot after I got all the way through it...

Talk about sweet. Just like my television, I have a 6.1 surround sound with great speakers and a decent receiver and a HUGE subwoofer. I almost always use it, because most HD shows have 5.1. Anyways, as I said I'm not an audiophile and I listened to what I listened to and said, that sounds cool in surround sound. Well after having Jeff tune me system and we listened to House of Flying Daggers, holy SH*T! When we were pushing the system, we actually caused my power conditioner to shutoff because of an overload! The sound was so sweet! My wife thought the neighbors were going to come and complain. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't just loud because it was loud, it was loud AND it sounded good because he tweak everything to work well together and be the "right" sound.

Can't do video with out doing audio right!

Russ
post #1498 of 2816
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Originally Posted by russwong View Post

...Can't do video with out doing audio right!

Russ

I could not agree more.

Video is at best 50% of a good home theater system. I was at one of my clients homes this week who added a new system to his home and upgraded the audio in his main theater after a few recommendations from me. He told me after I calibrated his audio the first time that he spends more time listening to music and concert videos because it is so wonderful.

Thank you for the kind post.
post #1499 of 2816
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Originally Posted by Vashti View Post

Hey y'all. I just thought I'd throw in a plug for Jeff's (umr) audio callibration as well. I had him do an audio callibration for me so that I could find out if I was right that I needed new speakers with the plasma I will buy soon and so I could pick his brain about plasmas. Let's just say the result was unbelievable. My only regret is not doing it before I put in a trillion hours on the speaker forum here researching. I'm not getting new speakers. I had no idea mine were so good. I also learned a lot and had a good time. So if you're getting a video callibration, consider doing an audio one with it. Thanks, Jeff!!!

(Oh, and by the way Jeff, I'm still "about to buy a plasma." Now I'm trying to wait for the 8 Gen. Pioneers - but soon, soon... )

Vashti,

Thanks for the kind words. Hopefully, I will see you when you get it.
post #1500 of 2816
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Originally Posted by russwong View Post

I had my set calibrated by UMR from the forums here. He was aboslutely professional, friendly, and helpful.

Thanks for posting your report. I've included it in the list of owner's reports about the professional calibrations that they have had done.

I don't follow this thread, but if anyone lets me know about other owner's reports I will also include them in the list that's linked at the bottom of my post.
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