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post #1621 of 2816
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

Guys,

Are the Pio Elites regarded as having an excellent but softer picture than other plasmas, especially like the pro Pannys? I really like the colors and blacks on the Elite but they don't seem to jump out 3D like like the Pannys' do?


thx

bob

If pioneer has a weakness it is in the soft/sharpness dept. However i will say that on movies it really shines. I get that 3d window effect everynow and then with HD programming on my 1140 but its not like the panny and samsungs. the one program that really showed this weakness was the tonite show. On the samsung it was just sick, i remember thinking the picture just cant be any better than this. For movies i prefered the Pioneer's color and shadow detailing. Just my opinion.
post #1622 of 2816
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

Guys,

Are the Pio Elites regarded as having an excellent but softer picture than other plasmas, especially like the pro Pannys? I really like the colors and blacks on the Elite but they don't seem to jump out 3D like like the Pannys' do?


thx

bob

I don't find this to be true at all. If you want an overly edge enhanced picture... sure, other sets might fill that need. But the Pioneer is plenty sharp.. and it's a natural sharpness. Film quality or not... I find it to be much sharper than most projection systems too.

I totally disagree with what's being said.
post #1623 of 2816
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Originally Posted by Kr8z1 View Post

Yes, they have a tinge of loser in them.

Hhahahah ya nut LOL
post #1624 of 2816
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Originally Posted by Kr8z1 View Post

Fred - please don't test here, test in the Post Testing Area that I gave you the link to. BTW, what the heck is that 480i picture of on your tv?

Ooops. And I did post to the other sight.

That picture is blurred. It was my camera and me not being steady. I thought it was neat that the side bars on 480i when put on auto, take the edges of the 480i pic and reproduce them in black and white.
post #1625 of 2816
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

Guys,

Are the Pio Elites regarded as having an excellent but softer picture than other plasmas, especially like the pro Pannys? I really like the colors and blacks on the Elite but they don't seem to jump out 3D like like the Pannys' do?


thx

bob

I would agree with your general observation. I think the pannys crank up the sharpness controls. If you look closely at their panels, there is a ton of video noise around image contours. I went with a pioneer elite because of better colors and the better processors. They get a much better picture on standard def signals, so good at times that I confuse it with hd. The pannys also have clay face issues( once again look closely at their panels). Thanks. Ned.
post #1626 of 2816
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

Guys,

Are the Pio Elites regarded as having an excellent but softer picture than other plasmas, especially like the pro Pannys? I really like the colors and blacks on the Elite but they don't seem to jump out 3D like like the Pannys' do?


thx

bob

Pio's default settings give them a smooth look with very little noise. Many people think it looks soft compared to other displays.

You can turn these settings off (DNR,mpegNR,BNR) and crank up the sharpness and contrast. I guarantee you will get an equally sharp picture to the panny or sammy displays. Just be prepared to see some digital noise and artifacting just like the panny and sammy
post #1627 of 2816
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Originally Posted by xrox View Post

Pio's default settings give them a smooth look with very little noise. Many people think it looks soft compared to other displays.

You can turn these settings off (DNR,mpegNR,BNR) and crank up the sharpness and contrast. I guarantee you will get an equally sharp picture to the panny or sammy displays. Just be prepared to see some digital noise and artifacting just like the panny and sammy


Thanks

The consumer Pannys' can really go clay face, etc, but the pro models do seem to handle sharpness better unless you are right up on it.


bob
post #1628 of 2816
Just got my 1540. Looks great. I'm a real novice so here's my first basic question. What's the difference between Pure Full and Pure Wide?

Ed
post #1629 of 2816
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by edschin View Post

Just got my 1540. Looks great. I'm a real novice so here's my first basic question. What's the difference between Pure Full and Pure Wide?

Ed

Pure is display mode, that's the settings for the picture in terms of color, brightness, contrast, sharpness, etc...

Full and Wide are size settings for the content, ie stretch modes, 4:3 mode, etc...
post #1630 of 2816
But how do full and wide differ? Should one look better than the other?
post #1631 of 2816
I have had the 1140 for two weeks got it on sale for a great price. I watched it for a week before I returned it because of a bad pixel. I wanted to return it also for lack of quality/detail, I agreed to exchange it for another one I was assured by a manager that the tv is top of the line and it must be a problem with the tv. A new tv will fix the issues so, I agreed.

I received the new set and for a whole week it looked amazing, "window like" the best picture I've ever seen. Now it looks the same as the first set no detail and the quality has sharply declined over one the past two days.

I have dish network, can this be the issue? is anyone else seeing this. Is there anyone that knows enough about hd that can relate or am I searching for a quality that doesn't exist?

I am using HDMI but, I also tried component. I am now testing over the air to see if it makes a difference.
post #1632 of 2816
I have the Pio 1140. I have the speakers that came with the set attatched to the sides of the set.
I used to have a SONY XBR CRT. It said NOT to put speakers to close to the TV because of the affect the magnets in the speakes will have on the picture. Is the same true for this plasma?
post #1633 of 2816
No, but it is true for CRTs
post #1634 of 2816
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Originally Posted by fred33 View Post

I have the Pio 1140. I have the speakers that came with the set attatched to the sides of the set.
I used to have a SONY XBR CRT. It said NOT to put speakers to close to the TV because of the affect the magnets in the speakes will have on the picture. Is the same true for this plasma?

No not at all. CRTs work by bending via a magnetic field the electron beam. Hence, any nearby magner really screws up the image. Plasmas work by an entirely dififerent mechanism, explosions.

Cheers,

Gary
post #1635 of 2816
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Originally Posted by itigap View Post

No not at all. CRTs work by bending via a magnetic field the electron beam. Hence, any nearby magner really screws up the image. Plasmas work by an entirely dififerent mechanism, explosions.

Cheers,

Gary

You mean I have an 'explosive' TV? You mean its the 'bomb'? Millions of pixels, lots of explosions = mass destruction tv?
( now that was bad! hahahaa),.

But thanks for the reply...means I can rearrange my room!!
post #1636 of 2816
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Originally Posted by fhanna36 View Post

I have had the 1140 for two weeks got it on sale for a great price. I watched it for a week before I returned it because of a bad pixel. I wanted to return it also for lack of quality/detail, I agreed to exchange it for another one I was assured by a manager that the tv is top of the line and it must be a problem with the tv. A new tv will fix the issues so, I agreed.

I received the new set and for a whole week it looked amazing, "window like" the best picture I've ever seen. Now it looks the same as the first set no detail and the quality has sharply declined over one the past two days.

I have dish network, can this be the issue? is anyone else seeing this. Is there anyone that knows enough about hd that can relate or am I searching for a quality that doesn't exist?

I am using HDMI but, I also tried component. I am now testing over the air to see if it makes a difference.

I have the same, 1140 and DishHD.
I commented a while back on the same thing except mine looked great for about a month and a half. Went skiing for a week over spring break and came back to what I perceived as an overall lesser quality image on HD TV.. I figured it was the source.
I also have the over the air antenna running through the Dish receiver. I've been planning on running a test between running OTA through the receiver and direct to the 1140.. However, have yet to do so. Right now I can switch directly between OTA and Sat of the same channel through the Dish receiver, - they look identical.

I don't think its the Pio.......
post #1637 of 2816
First newb post. After looking forever I finally bit the bullet and purchased the 5070 over the weekend. I kept wanting to get something else that was cheaper, but the 5070 kept calling my name. It was just the best looking tv. Anyway, I spoke with the etailer (authorized Pioneer seller) this afternoon and they told me that they would sell me the 1140 for $500 more than I purchased the 5070 for. After some debate I bit and will now receive the 1140 instead. However, I'm having some buyer's remorse. I mean the price was fantastic (several hundred below anywhere else), but I'm having trouble convincing myself this was a wise decision. I guess what I'm asking is how big of a step up is the 1140 over the 5070? I know about the 2 year warranty which is nice, but what about everything else?

Thanks in advance.

Steve
post #1638 of 2816
Thread Starter 
Network connectivity alone to stream media from any PC on your home network is worth it to me.

Extra year warranty, much more tweakability, if you ever want to do ISF calibration, you can do it with just using the user menu.

Pure mode.

I prefer side speakers to bottom speaker.

$500 is worth it to me for sure. I think when I bought mine, the difference was a little less then $500, but seriously, I think it's worth it for the networking function alone.

Russ

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Originally Posted by Solobear2 View Post

First newb post. After looking forever I finally bit the bullet and purchased the 5070 over the weekend. I kept wanting to get something else that was cheaper, but the 5070 kept calling my name. It was just the best looking tv. Anyway, I spoke with the etailer (authorized Pioneer seller) this afternoon and they told me that they would sell me the 1140 for $500 more than I purchased the 5070 for. After some debate I bit and will now receive the 1140 instead. However, I'm having some buyer's remorse. I mean the price was fantastic (several hundred below anywhere else), but I'm having trouble convincing myself this was a wise decision. I guess what I'm asking is how big of a step up is the 1140 over the 5070? I know about the 2 year warranty which is nice, but what about everything else?

Thanks in advance.

Steve
post #1639 of 2816
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Originally Posted by Solobear2 View Post

First newb post. After looking forever I finally bit the bullet and purchased the 5070 over the weekend. I kept wanting to get something else that was cheaper, but the 5070 kept calling my name. It was just the best looking tv. Anyway, I spoke with the etailer (authorized Pioneer seller) this afternoon and they told me that they would sell me the 1140 for $500 more than I purchased the 5070 for. After some debate I bit and will now receive the 1140 instead. However, I'm having some buyer's remorse. I mean the price was fantastic (several hundred below anywhere else), but I'm having trouble convincing myself this was a wise decision. I guess what I'm asking is how big of a step up is the 1140 over the 5070? I know about the 2 year warranty which is nice, but what about everything else?

Thanks in advance.

Steve

Steve,
It is ultimately up to you whether it is worth the extra $. Read through this thread which details the extras in the 1140.

PDP-5070HD or Elite PRO-1140HD?
post #1640 of 2816
Thanks Russ and Jeff. I'll do some more reading. Jeff, I obviously didn't see the thread that you linked. I don't find the search function to be all that easy to use on this forum, but it's probably because I don't know what I'm doing. It's tough when it lists multiple posts from the same thread.
post #1641 of 2816
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Originally Posted by Solobear2 View Post

Thanks Russ and Jeff. I'll do some more reading. Jeff, I obviously didn't see the thread that you linked. I don't find the search function to be all that easy to use on this forum, but it's probably because I don't know what I'm doing. It's tough when it lists multiple posts from the same thread.

No problem. Yes, the search can be difficult even though it is pretty standard- maybe this can help...

I've posted this before and am posting again hoping it will help any newcomers to this thread.

Easier Searches
Here's a few quick tips that may help

Go to
Advanced Search<--- click here

Search by Keyword(s) - you can enter several keywords you know should be included by using + sign in front of each word and the * behind the word (i.e. +5070* +1140*)
Search Entire Posts or Search Titles Only - choose which is best for you
Advanced Search Help - click on this for more tips
Show Results as - click on Posts or Threads
Search in Forum(s) - choose which forum or forums you want to search (i.e. Plasma Flat Panel Displays)
Save Search Preferences - click on this at the bottom for a quicker search next time

When you are in a thread this works too....Click on Search this Thread and use the + and * sign and 2-3 words that you know should be in the post

Here's an example:
Run an Advanced Search just like above...
+5070* +1140*
Search Titles Only
Show Results as Posts or Threads
Search in Forum(s) - Plasma Flat Panel Displays


Maybe this can help make it easier for you, I know it made my searches much more productive...especially by narrowing my search by using the + and * sign and Show Results as Posts or Threads
Good Luck
post #1642 of 2816
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Originally Posted by Solobear2 View Post

First newb post. After looking forever I finally bit the bullet and purchased the 5070 over the weekend. I kept wanting to get something else that was cheaper, but the 5070 kept calling my name. It was just the best looking tv. Anyway, I spoke with the etailer (authorized Pioneer seller) this afternoon and they told me that they would sell me the 1140 for $500 more than I purchased the 5070 for. After some debate I bit and will now receive the 1140 instead. However, I'm having some buyer's remorse. I mean the price was fantastic (several hundred below anywhere else), but I'm having trouble convincing myself this was a wise decision. I guess what I'm asking is how big of a step up is the 1140 over the 5070? I know about the 2 year warranty which is nice, but what about everything else?

Thanks in advance.

Steve

You made a great choice... don't dwell on it.

As both russ & Jeff pointed out there are some extra features that are on the 1140 that are not on the 5070. If you think you'll take advantage of them, great!

The ability to tweak & calibrate, along with pure mode are significant advantages... assuming you want to tailor your picture to exactly how you want it.

And, IMHO the 2 year warranty is a huge plus. You didn't say if you purchased (or considered purchasing) an extended warranty, but with the 1140 you won't have to do that. And, if you paid with your AMEX card, you get another year free from them.

Not that $500 isn't a lot of money - it is. But, I think you made the right choice, FWIW.

Now, go break the thing in... sit back... relax... and enjoy the (arguably) best panel out there

-steve
post #1643 of 2816
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Originally Posted by edschin View Post

But how do full and wide differ? Should one look better than the other?

FULL will display exactly the size of picture you are sending the panel - for example 4:3 or 16:9, WIDE will progressively stretch that picture towards each side of the screen.

To me, FULL looks better because it doesn't stretch the picture.
post #1644 of 2816
Looking for some slight guidance on a purchase I intend on making. I am stuck between either the 940HD or go the LCD route with the Sammy LN-T4065F. Both have their pros and cons, and I intend to use the set for lots of HD sports, movies, and gaming. With all the myths and rumors on burn-in, would 5 hours of Halo 2 or something similar be something I should avoid doing on a calibrated 940HD? Also, in terms of overall PQ, am I going to notice a difference due to the fact that the 940HD does not have enough pixels to show a full 720p signal and the LN-T6065F has enough pixels to show 1080p content? Any other opinions would be great.
post #1645 of 2816
hello everyone i did hav a question about the plasma
i need to buy one.
i am kind of lookin to get either a 42 or 50, now the thing is size is not a factor for my viewing distance and neither is price.
now i have looked at 2 sets
pioneer Elite PRO940 and the Panny 50px75u
now i cant decide i have seen both with HD DVD on them, they both look great, now i can spend the extra money to get the 42 ELITE, but what am i gaining picture wise, thats why i wanted to ask the owners of the PRO940, bc that seemed to look really good and so does the new panny panels.
can some1 tell me what would b a gud solution.
I really cant decide, i am going to get the ISF calibration done on either one, so if you can tell me the advantages of the 42ELITE over the new panny px75u series i wud go with the pioneer.

i know i cud of just made a new thread, but wanted to know opinions of the owners of the ELITE panels
post #1646 of 2816
I read somewhere you can check to see how much time you've used your 1140. Where can I find this in the menu?
post #1647 of 2816
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Originally Posted by fred33 View Post

You mean I have an 'explosive' TV? You mean its the 'bomb'? Millions of pixels, lots of explosions = mass destruction tv?
( now that was bad! hahahaa),.

But thanks for the reply...means I can rearrange my room!!

Actually that is exactly what I mean. Plasma functions by igniting a plasma which when it explodes gives off ultraviolet radiation. This radiation is absorbed by the phosphors painted on the walls of the cells that make up the subpixels. Once absorbed, the phosphors fluoresce giving off their primary color in the visible spectrum. The persistence of this florescence is very short so the discharge needs to take place at a rate of hundreds of times per second.

Cheers,

Gary
post #1648 of 2816
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Originally Posted by itigap View Post

Actually that is exactly what I mean. Plasma functions by igniting a plasma which when it explodes gives off ultraviolet radiation. This radiation is absorbed by the phosphors painted on the walls of the cells that make up the subpixels. Once absorbed, the phosphors fluoresce giving off their primary color in the visible spectrum. The persistence of this florescence is very short so the discharge needs to take place at a rate of hundreds of times per second.

Cheers,

Gary

Thanks...and hence the warm screen while in use.
post #1649 of 2816
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Originally Posted by todd1010 View Post

I read somewhere you can check to see how much time you've used your 1140. Where can I find this in the menu?

To check the hours on your plasma, go into the Service Menu

Start with the plasma turned OFF
Make sure you point the remote directly at the IR sensor in the tv

Press DISPLAY on the remote (just press, do not hold)
Wait 3 seconds
Press LEFT, UP, LEFT, RIGHT then POWER

If done correctly, the plasma turns on and the INFORMATION page is displayed

Then use the down arrow to page through to page 5
PANEL = the time the set has been on
MTB = the time the set has been plugged in

When you finish press the HOME MENU button

BE CAREFUL NOT TO CHANGE ANY SETTINGS! JUST LOOK!
post #1650 of 2816
I am getting cable HD installed on thursday to compare and I will post hte results. I've tried an antenna and it looks better so far.
There are less channels on cable but, I want that plasma look, I hope it's not the 1140. I still have 15 days to get my money back and I hope to keep it.
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