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I have my xbox360 and cable box set to 1080i and I like that....

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Originally Posted by NOCAL View Post

Based on the scaling capability of the 1140, and assuming your SD DVD is a mid-range upscaler, not a DVDO, hi-end scaler, what is the best HDMI signal to send it?
post #1772 of 2816
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

Anyone here done a self cal. with the free HCFR software? I'd like some tips or links to discussions?

thx

bob


Tell me more about this software.

And I have been reading this entire 1140 thread ever since I got mine. I remember reading in some earlier posts about the ISF calibration using the DAY/NIGHT modes and that some techs were having problems and did not want to use that feature. Has that been fixed since it was talked about? It was quite a few months ago and I didn't know if it was a problem with the tech not knowing how to work the software or there was and actual problem. No one ever really said what the problem was other than there was one.
post #1773 of 2816
Never mind I found some good reading on the HCFR software.

But I still want to know more about the DAY/NIGHT mode problems with ISF calibration.
post #1774 of 2816
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One piece of feedback is that the Day and Night modes are LOCKED. These can NOT be adjusted in any way shape or form after the callibration with out the callibrator and software. Another piece is that all the necessary tweaks can be done through the Elite's extensive user menu, so there is no need to use the ccc calibration function. Pioneer begs to differ on this for obvious reasons, but I guess it's a matter of if you believe the pre vs post calibration numbers with out ccc. Last, some units were supposedly damaged by the process and required a service repair. I'm guessing if that was a problem it's probably no longer an issue.

I've heard this feedback from 2 different highly respected calibrators. (UMR from this forum as well as another calibrator local to my area.)

I think either option is good so if your calibrator can do it as well as do the callibration from the user menu, you can have both.

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Originally Posted by todd1010 View Post

Tell me more about this software.

And I have been reading this entire 1140 thread ever since I got mine. I remember reading in some earlier posts about the ISF calibration using the DAY/NIGHT modes and that some techs were having problems and did not want to use that feature. Has that been fixed since it was talked about? It was quite a few months ago and I didn't know if it was a problem with the tech not knowing how to work the software or there was and actual problem. No one ever really said what the problem was other than there was one.
post #1775 of 2816
They don't have to go into the service menu like on my old Pioneer Elite Pro-630HD to calibrate? My understanding is that if they do go thru your service menu your warranty is voided, correct?
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Originally Posted by todd1010 View Post

Never mind I found some good reading on the HCFR software.

But I still want to know more about the DAY/NIGHT mode problems with ISF calibration.


Where are these day/night settings? Are they created by the calibrator and don't exist until then?

I played with the HCFR software today and was able to move the primary and secondary colors around on the CIE chart in real time. Very cool!


bob
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Originally Posted by todd1010 View Post

They don't have to go into the service menu like on my old Pioneer Elite Pro-630HD to calibrate? My understanding is that if they do go thru your service menu your warranty is voided, correct?

NO...where did you hear that? They don't HAVE to go into the SM - but if they do, your warranty is NOT voided. Any ISF calibrator is qualified to go into the SM to perform a calibration.
post #1778 of 2816
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

Where are these day/night settings? Are they created by the calibrator and don't exist until then?

No they are not available unless you have an ISF calibration done through the SM. They are not "created" by an ISF calibrator, but instead they are "unlocked" with an ISF calibration through the SM.
post #1779 of 2816
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Originally Posted by Kr8z1 View Post

NO...where did you hear that? They don't HAVE to go into the SM - but if they do, your warranty is NOT voided. Any ISF calibrator is qualified to go into the SM to perform a calibration.

Do you mean by "qualified" they are given authorization by pioneer to enter the service menu?
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Originally Posted by W3bbY View Post

TVersity is UPnP software for the PC that plays more file types than using wmp11.
It transcodes divx and xvid files on the fly and streams them. Give it a shot. i love it with my 1400hd
OH and its free.

Sounds like you've had luck with TVersity. I tried last night and had a tough time. It connect just fine, but when I tried to play an Xvid file, it would play for 10 seconds and fail. My computer is not being over taxed during this, so I don't think it's performance. Any thoughts on what could be going on?
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Originally Posted by W3bbY View Post

http://tversity.com/home

TVersity is UPnP software for the PC that plays more file types than using wmp11.
It transcodes divx and xvid files on the fly and streams them. Give it a shot. i love it with my 1400hd
OH and its free.


downloaded last night and configured quite easily, I can now access media on my home pc through my 1140. Now I just need to organize the files a little. Thanks so much for the link. I don't have a lot of video, but pictures and audio work great!

This may be a great workaround for those who may have 'windows genuine' issues and can't get wmp11.

Thanks again,
(re)Pete
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Originally Posted by Kr8z1 View Post

NO...where did you hear that? They don't HAVE to go into the SM - but if they do, your warranty is NOT voided. Any ISF calibrator is qualified to go into the SM to perform a calibration.

I remember some talk ealier in this post but it may have been in this post but linked to another. I do remember that someone mentioned something about if going into the service menu to calibrate it would void the warranty. Now I don't know of this was just talk or what.

But.....

Why would Pioneer put a avenue for ISF Calibrating with the RS-232 connector and a ISF trained profession not use it?

I mean it's there why not use it? I read about where one plasma was messed up but that was only temporary and minor and was fixed with a reset. It never mentioned anything about, if the guy just messed up something by accident or maybe he wasn't sure what he was doing when using the software.
post #1783 of 2816
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Originally Posted by dssturbo1 View Post

Do you mean by "qualified" they are given authorization by pioneer to enter the service menu?

Yes. One such indication can be found on Pio's Product Brochure:

> ISFccc Calibration Ready for professional customization of plasma picture according to personal preferences for contrast, tint, color as well as room conditions for day and nighttime viewing. Includes new independent RGB Gamma Control.*

*As an optional service through an Elite dealer, you can have a trained ISF professional calibrate the plasma using the built-in ISFccc feature.
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Or you can do the ISFccc yourself with SpyderTV Pro 2007.
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Originally Posted by todd1010 View Post

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Why would Pioneer put a avenue for ISF Calibrating with the RS-232 connector and a ISF trained profession not use it?

I mean it's there why not use it? I read about where one plasma was messed up but that was only temporary and minor and was fixed with a reset. It never mentioned anything about, if the guy just messed up something by accident or maybe he wasn't sure what he was doing when using the software.

Here are my reasons...

Settings are locked for client.

No improvement in picture quality.

Several people have had their sets damaged by this process such that it required Pioneer to reset the set and lose all calibrated settings. This has happened more than just once and after talking with the clients I have a pretty good idea how it is happening. I see no reason to risk this for a feature of very minor value.
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Or you can do the ISFccc yourself with SpyderTV Pro 2007.

D-nice, I have been using your settings on my Elite 1140/SA8300HD cable box for the last 1-2 months. What do you think about having it calibrated? I have someone coming on Sat who has calibrated many of these units and says that the Elite model is one of the best looking televisions he has ever seen after calibration. I wouldnt think of doing it myself, and I dont mind paying a professional. I figured Pioneer would have the setting available for the Elite models to give the consumer the best picture possible?
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Originally Posted by umr View Post

I see no reason to risk this for a feature of very minor value.

Are you talking about the day/night modes? If so, I agree that is minor and your point that there is no need to take a risk for no other benefit makes much sense.
post #1788 of 2816
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Originally Posted by Kr8z1 View Post

Are you talking about the day/night modes? If so, I agree that is minor and your point that there is no need to take a risk for no other benefit makes much sense.

That is one of the minor features with ISF ccc. Those modes also have their limitation of being locked.
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Originally Posted by umr View Post

Here are my reasons...

Settings are locked for client.

No improvement in picture quality.

Several people have had their sets damaged by this process such that it required Pioneer to reset the set and lose all calibrated settings. This has happened more than just once and after talking with the clients I have a pretty good idea how it is happening. I see no reason to risk this for a feature of very minor value.

It would be helpful for all if you could elaborate on your comments above. How does one damage a set, unless they are careless or abusive with it. I don't understand how, please explain.
Thanks,
Michael
post #1790 of 2816
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Originally Posted by AtlantisMichael View Post

It would be helpful for all if you could elaborate on your comments above. How does one damage a set, unless they are careless or abusive with it. I don't understand how, please explain.
Thanks,
Michael

You could possibly send the display a command over the RS-232 link that corrupts the memory of the display.
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Originally Posted by umr View Post

You could possibly send the display a command over the RS-232 link that corrupts the memory of the display.

What type of equipment are they using that allows/causes this? The calibration equipment that I have seen used does not allow for those kind of mistakes. Plus the calibrators have the training ( the ones I have seen in action) and proper equipment to do it right.
Michael
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Originally Posted by AtlantisMichael View Post

What type of equipment are they using that allows/causes this? The calibration equipment that I have seen used does not allow for those kind of mistakes. Plus the calibrators have the training ( the ones I have seen in action) and proper equipment to do it right.
Michael

I am not saying I have done this myself or that it is the technicians fault in any way. This is only an opinion based on what I have heard from others who have had problems. RS-232 is not a secure method of communication and it would be up to the manufacturer to ensure something like this was not possible.
post #1793 of 2816
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Originally Posted by umr View Post

I am not saying I have done this myself or that it is the technicians fault in any way. This is only an opinion based on what I have heard from others who have had problems. RS-232 is not a secure method of communication and it would be up to the manufacturer to ensure something like this was not possible.

Ok assuming that the technician does not screw around in an area they should not be in, do you agree that calibration does improve the picture quality?
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Originally Posted by sstiles4 View Post

Ok assuming that the technician does not screw around in an area they should not be in, do you agree that calibration does improve the picture quality?

Of course if it is properly done. I just see little value in ISF ccc. I am not saying the technician did anything incorrect. It appears they were doing things correctly and the display then malfunctioned.

I have calibrated quite a few Pioneer Elite plasmas with very good results.
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From my personal experience, I find that the proper calibration ( to industry standards) is well worth the investment. I see the difference in the displays from before and after the work. Mind you, that only with using the proper calibration equipment and software plus a tech that is trained in its use, will you get the best results. I speak of my girlfriends Elite plasma done with both day and night settings and what she thought was a good picture before the calibration, she was amazed with the after results. She had a Sony LCD done as well. and I know from watching it beforehand, the picture was just hard to take no matter what we tried. Now it is very pleasant to watch. On my own Sony 37" plasma that was done, I have had friends comment that it looked darker until I lowered the lights ( for the night setting) and they were impressed. I find it easier on my eyes, now that it is set correctly. The picture really pops out. Clear and crisp is how I can best describe it.
I can only guess that most people do not really understand what this calibration does for them, other than to be another expense. Very simply put, it sets the display to the same standard as to what all the production cameras, monitors and such are set to. This is how the movie is shot and viewed as how the director intended. And how you see it at a theatre. Those projectors/screens are all calibrated.
I know I said this before, but why would anyone pay for a service, if they are only going to screw it up after the tech leaves. Makes no sense. I know when I complete a job, I would not want the client to go behind me and undo, mess up my work(HVAC) because they think they know better. If that is the case, then why bother to have any work done in the first place?
Nuff said.
Michael
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Originally Posted by AtlantisMichael View Post

From my personal experience, I find that the proper calibration ( to industry standards) is well worth the investment. I see the difference in the displays from before and after the work. Mind you, that only with using the proper calibration equipment and software plus a tech that is trained in its use, will you get the best results. I speak of my girlfriends Elite plasma done with both day and night settings and what she thought was a good picture before the calibration, she was amazed with the after results. She had a Sony LCD done as well. and I know from watching it beforehand, the picture was just hard to take no matter what we tried. Now it is very pleasant to watch. On my own Sony 37" plasma that was done, I have had friends comment that it looked darker until I lowered the lights ( for the night setting) and they were impressed. I find it easier on my eyes, now that it is set correctly. The picture really pops out. Clear and crisp is how I can best describe it.
I can only guess that most people do not really understand what this calibration does for them, other than to be another expense. Very simply put, it sets the display to the same standard as to what all the production cameras, monitors and such are set to. This is how the movie is shot and viewed as how the director intended. And how you see it at a theatre. Those projectors/screens are all calibrated.
I know I said this before, but why would anyone pay for a service, if they are only going to screw it up after the tech leaves. Makes no sense. I know when I complete a job, I would not want the client to go behind me and undo, mess up my work(HVAC) because they think they know better. If that is the case, then why bother to have any work done in the first place?
Nuff said.
Michael

Thanks Michael. Although a few comments have me a little nervous about the calibration, I am with you and will be having mine done this Saturday. I am very impressed with D-nice settings so far but I am always looking for the best picture possible (that is why I purchased the Elite 1140). So I will report back to the forum with my results.
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One thing to keep in mind is that the set can be callibrated with out using Pioneer's ISF ccc software and tools Pioneer would say that's the easiest, safest, and there are features that can't be done with out using this method. UMR and others don't entirely agree.

Even if you don't go this route, you can still have your Elite ISF calibrated with out using the Pioneer software or the SM. The calibrator still needs the proper tools to measure color, gray scale, etc in order to properly set the menus.

As to Michael's comment about "mucking" with it afterwards and the HVAC settings, there is still user preference. I consider ISF calibration along the lines of ensuring that the unit when set to 72 degrees is really making it 72 degrees, however in the summer I want it to be 68 degrees, but I want to make sure it's doing 68 degrees efficiently and correctly. In the winter I want it to be 74 degrees. Much like Day and Night settings that are built into the ISF ccc function. The problem is, there are much more variables when it comes to calibration, besides Day/Night, Good sources/bad sources/different sources, etc...

But yes, I agree a callibration of some sort is important and valuable. I know I enjoy the outcome of mine.
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Originally Posted by russwong View Post

One thing to keep in mind is that the set can be callibrated with out using Pioneer's ISF ccc software and tools Pioneer would say that's the easiest, safest, and there are features that can't be done with out using this method. UMR and others don't entirely agree.

Even if you don't go this route, you can still have your Elite ISF calibrated with out using the Pioneer software or the SM. The calibrator still needs the proper tools to measure color, gray scale, etc in order to properly set the menus.

As to Michael's comment about "mucking" with it afterwards and the HVAC settings, there is still user preference. I consider ISF calibration along the lines of ensuring that the unit when set to 72 degrees is really making it 72 degrees, however in the summer I want it to be 68 degrees, but I want to make sure it's doing 68 degrees efficiently and correctly. In the winter I want it to be 74 degrees. Much like Day and Night settings that are built into the ISF ccc function. The problem is, there are much more variables when it comes to calibration, besides Day/Night, Good sources/bad sources/different sources, etc...

But yes, I agree a callibration of some sort is important and valuable. I know I enjoy the outcome of mine.

Quick question for you, once calibrated do you still have the ability to switch it back to pure mode to compare the way the settings look?
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Originally Posted by sstiles4 View Post

Quick question for you, once calibrated do you still have the ability to switch it back to pure mode to compare the way the settings look?

Mine was not callibrated with the ISF ccc functions of the Elite. It was done by UMR and all in the user menu. He calibrated the Pure mode settings for me.
post #1800 of 2816
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Or you can do the ISFccc yourself with SpyderTV Pro 2007.


D,

How does this compare to the Pantone Eyone DisplayLt

What software?


thx

bob
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