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post #241 of 2816
I tried a doing a different search for C3 (used a *) and found the following comments from Canadian ISF calibrator JohnnyG:

"It provides a few benefits to both the calibrator and the user. For the calibrator, it makes it pretty darn easy to calibrate the display. To some extent, you could say the display "co-operates" with the calibrator, which is not always the case! All the necessary settings and parameters are there, and at the touch of a button. This requires special software though (which I have )

To the user, the end result is that "Day" and "Night" ISF Calibration settings are added to the user menu. This gives you extra picture setting choices without altering the original settings at all.

In all, it's just very, very cool....in a D65K sort of way "
post #242 of 2816
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Originally Posted by dylan24 View Post

Thanks Ted. So if I get a HD cable box rather than a Cable Card, I don't need to do channel scan, program channels, or worry about TVGOS, right? Don't you get a program guide through your cable company with the Card as well? What made you decide to get the Card, rather than a box.

If you have a CableCard the TVGOS is filled out automatically, no need to channel scan or setup the TVGOS. But it isn't infallible. I did have to go in and manually enable a few of the cable channels in TVOGS to get listings for them. So far they've stayed put and in the order I've set them to.

If you are going the cable box route you'll probably want to disable TVGOS. You may want to hook up the B ant input and then run channel scan on that so you can leverage the PIP/POP features.

Ted
post #243 of 2816
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Originally Posted by zaracsan View Post

I tried a doing a different search for C3 (used a *) and found the following comments from Canadian ISF calibrator JohnnyG:

"It provides a few benefits to both the calibrator and the user. For the calibrator, it makes it pretty darn easy to calibrate the display. To some extent, you could say the display "co-operates" with the calibrator, which is not always the case! All the necessary settings and parameters are there, and at the touch of a button. This requires special software though (which I have )

To the user, the end result is that "Day" and "Night" ISF Calibration settings are added to the user menu. This gives you extra picture setting choices without altering the original settings at all.

In all, it's just very, very cool....in a D65K sort of way "

do give you the other side of the coin on those comments:

1. the necessary settings/parameters are also available on the regular service menu as well, so perhaps not having it in the "same page" for a quick button click saves, oh lets see, a full 3 seconds? Dont let that fool you....I saw both calibrations done in my set, and there was nothing "quicker" about it...the most consuming thing is taking the measurements.

2. exactly that, the ISF "day" and "night" menus are just that...two settings, which are universal for ALL inputs (like the "Pure" mode is). If you are using multiple inputs (ie, HDMI 1 and 2, cable, etc), by calibrating the "USER" mode, you know have settings for multiple inputs!! so in essence, where as ISF day/night gives you 2 modes, using user for 2-4 inputs gives you that many inputs as well.

you wont go wrong either way...that's the key (if your calibrator is good). The most important thing is to get someone who is good at it.
post #244 of 2816
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Originally Posted by ssabripo View Post

do give you the other side of the coin on those comments:

1. the necessary settings/parameters are also available on the regular service menu as well, so perhaps not having it in the "same page" for a quick button click saves, oh lets see, a full 3 seconds? Dont let that fool you....I saw both calibrations done in my set, and there was nothing "quicker" about it...the most consuming thing is taking the measurements.

Interesting... Kinda confirms what I suspected.

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2. exactly that, the ISF "day" and "night" menus are just that...two settings, which are universal for ALL inputs (like the "Pure" mode is). If you are using multiple inputs (ie, HDMI 1 and 2, cable, etc), by calibrating the "USER" mode, you know have settings for multiple inputs!! so in essence, where as ISF day/night gives you 2 modes, using user for 2-4 inputs gives you that many inputs as well.

you wont go wrong either way...that's the key (if your calibrator is good). The most important thing is to get someone who is good at it.

Well that really blows. I don't have much use for the Day/Night settings, if they are only applying one settings to all of the inputs, and just providing a 'macro setting' change for either day or night lighting conditions. Are you absolutely positive that I can't have each input tweaked for both day and night settings via the C3 calibration?
post #245 of 2816
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Originally Posted by zaracsan View Post

Well that really blows. I don't have much use for the Day/Night settings, if they are only applying one settings to all of the inputs, and just providing a 'macro setting' change for either day or night lighting conditions. Are you absolutely positive that I can't have each input tweaked for both day and night settings via the C3 calibration?

I'll check tonite....but I'm pretty sure, and ergo part of the reason I use my calibrated "user" settings.

but I'll check
post #246 of 2816
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Originally Posted by ssabripo View Post

I'll check tonite....but I'm pretty sure, and ergo part of the reason I use my calibrated "user" settings.

but I'll check

That would be very much appreciated. TIA!
post #247 of 2816
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Originally Posted by zaracsan View Post

What about when you use a Toshiba HD-DVD? I noticed that D-Nice posted setting for the Toshiba HD-DVD, but he also posted separate settings for a standalone DVD as well; which got me to wondering (because of the different color spaces) how would you work it out if you are using the Toshiba as both your DVD and HD-DVD player with just the one input? Would you simply re-assign the appropriate setting to the Toshiba input depending on what you what disc type you were playing?

I believe it's based on each device on each input, not the fact that the device is playing 2 different types of things, but I could be wrong. The purpose of having an HD-DVD is for it to up convert your SD DVDs into the "HD" world... so the TV is tweaked to your player, not to the DVD. The issue is if you have a regular dvd player and an HD DVD player, those two need to be tweaked on it's own.
post #248 of 2816
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Originally Posted by russwong View Post

I believe it's based on each device on each input, not the fact that the device is playing 2 different types of things, but I could be wrong. The purpose of having an HD-DVD is for it to up convert your SD DVDs into the "HD" world... so the TV is tweaked to your player, not to the DVD. The issue is if you have a regular dvd player and an HD DVD player, those two need to be tweaked on it's own.

I guess the real question then becomes: Does the Toshiba output in the same way, regardless of whether it is acting as an unconverting DVD player or an HD-DVD player, given that the two mediums are playing in different color spaces?
post #249 of 2816
Had my 1140 delivered and set up today. What an awsome picture. I think the dark detail is astounding. Anyone have service menu code so I can keep track of hours for break-in? This set looks amazing.
post #250 of 2816
Thread Starter 
Start with the plasma turned OFF.
Press DISPLAY on the remote (just press, do not hold).
Wait 3 seconds.
Press LEFT, UP, LEFT, RIGHT then POWER (on the remote).
If done correctly, the plasma turns on and the INFORMATION page is displayed.

The # of hours is in one of those screens.
post #251 of 2816
Thanks. I have spent so much time admiring the picture on the 1140 and staring at the detail it displays that I have eye fatigue. The PURE mode looks good and it gives a little bit more of a natural look to the picture, but has anyone else noticed it kind of makes the picture "soft" or a little fuzzy. Maybe I need to do a little more tweaking or let the set break-in more. I am very pleased with this set.
post #252 of 2816
I was wondering if anyone can tell me about the side bars displayed in a 4:3 picture. When I first truned on my 1140 the sidebars were a black and white version of what was played on the screen but now it is simply a grey solid side bars. Do the side bars only play black and white picture in certain modes or have I inadvertantly changed that setting somehow? I did not find anything specific about it in the owners manual, although I may have missed it.
post #253 of 2816
I am abt to buy a 940.
Are there any common problems that people are finding with this set?
do i calibrate it after burn in? also ..
can i do the calibration myself.. if i can what calibration disc should I purchase and where should I buy it? I am new at this not that technically savy.. thanks for your help..great forum..
post #254 of 2816
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Originally Posted by ssabripo View Post

I'll check tonite....but I'm pretty sure, and ergo part of the reason I use my calibrated "user" settings.

but I'll check

Any word yet from your calibrator?

BTW, I have not received any reply from calibrator UMR (Jeff M.) after sending him a PM regarding C3, and (obviously) he has chosen not to address my questions here either. Hmmm....
post #255 of 2816
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Originally Posted by tgshoe View Post

Thanks. I have spent so much time admiring the picture on the 1140 and staring at the detail it displays that I have eye fatigue. The PURE mode looks good and it gives a little bit more of a natural look to the picture, but has anyone else noticed it kind of makes the picture "soft" or a little fuzzy. Maybe I need to do a little more tweaking or let the set break-in more. I am very pleased with this set.

This is the reason I got rid of the my 1140. The picture is soft and the only thing you can do is turn down the brightness and turn up the contrast. Even then the picture will not be crisp. It also gave me a certain amount of eye fatigue. There is nothing in the service menu or user controls that will improve focus
post #256 of 2816
If anyone is interested I answered my own question about the 4:3 side bars. To have the black and white images on the sides instead of solid bars you must put the set in 4:3 mode instead of full or wide or any other setting. This would only be useful when watching a 4:3 aspect program and you have solid side bars in full mode simply change to 4:3 mode. No side bar burnin that way.
post #257 of 2816
Fellow 940/1140 owners, which screen size have you found to be best for DVDs - "cinema", "wide" or something else, and also, during the break in period, which would you recommend for DVDs.
post #258 of 2816
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Originally Posted by zaracsan View Post

Any word yet from your calibrator?

BTW, I have not received any reply from calibrator UMR (Jeff M.) after sending him a PM regarding C3, and (obviously) he has chosen not to address my questions here either. Hmmm....

My response to C3 was already posted from a PM I sent another user.
post #259 of 2816
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Originally Posted by umr View Post

My response to C3 was already posted from a PM I sent another user.

Yes, but as the questions that followed do indicate; that PM (an e-mail sent to Russ Wong?) creates nearly as many questions as it answers. Please allow me to make those questions clearer:

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- Numerous bugs have been reported by others that can cause the display to require service from Pioneer to fix. I have no interest in this feature.

What exactly are these "numerous bugs" you are referring to? What specific service is needed from Pioneer, that you state is being caused by doing a C3 calibration? Is this issue related to the C3 software or the Pioneer firmware? Just to be certain we are all on the same page here: would you please confirm that you own the C3 software required to calibrate a Pioneer Elite?

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- I believe locking all the settings on your display is a big mistake. It is not uncommon for a client to wish to make slight adjustments for various sources after I leave. Locking the display would force the client to use an uncalibrated mode which would degrade the picture greatly. The other solutions would be to have me come back or just live with it. I find these all unacceptable.

Doesn't the locking process (at least) allow you to lock in two different calibrated settings for day and night lighting conditions? As one member explained, the settings locked in are only 'macro settings', in that you can't tune different inputs independently and then lock those settings. Was that explanation correct? Is this the objection you have to the C3 locking function? Can you please expand on the limitations of C3 locking? Does the C3 calibration processes make user access to SM settings permanently disabled -- unless unlocked by a calibrator with C3 software?

The ISF Forum FAQ states that while C3 locks out the user from the calibrated settings, it does allow "access to the default user settings modes that are provided via the factory setup process." While obviously not as good as the tweaked picture someone is paying you to provide, can you not still access the non-SM settings, were there a problem with the C3 locked in settings?

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- All of the necessary adjustments for a great picture are available in the user mode on these plasmas making the locked modes unnecessary.

So if C3 is so worthless, why did the ISF start pushing this to display mfg in the first place? All I want is a display calibrated for each input, with the added capability of having fully calibrated settings for the vastly different amounts of light I have in my room between day and night. I really don't care what software is required to do this, I just want to know whether this is possible or not on a 40 series Pioneer Elite display. Would you please verify if what I'm wanting to do is possible on an Elite? TIA.
post #260 of 2816
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Originally Posted by zaracsan View Post

Yes, but as the questions that followed do indicate; that PM (an e-mail sent to Russ Wong?) creates nearly as many questions as it answers. Please allow me to make those questions clearer:.....

I do not own the C3 software because it is not necessary and has been shown by some to cause problems. I know what a quality picture looks like and there is nothing deficient from a user menu calibration of these displays. You are focused on a feature that is not nearly as important as the calibration tools themselves. My custom spectroradiometer is much more important than the C3 to achieve accurate color calibration. Many calibrators that I speak with at ISFForum have had serious issues with C3 and refuse to use it.

If you want a C3 calibration be my guest and use someone else. I have no interest in having a client with a display that requires a factory service call.

The need for a day and night mode with these displays is not very high because the range of light output on these displays is very limited.

ISF and Pioneers motivation for this mode is their own.
post #261 of 2816
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Originally Posted by umr View Post

I do not own the C3 software because it is not necessary and has been shown by some to cause problems. I know what a quality picture looks like and there is nothing deficient from a user menu calibration of these displays. You are focused on a feature that is not nearly as important as the calibration tools themselves. My custom spectroradiometer is much more important than the C3 to achieve accurate color calibration. Many calibrators that I speak with at ISFForum have had serious issues with C3 and refuse to use it.

If you want a C3 calibration be my guest and use someone else. I have no interest in having a client with a display that requires a factory service call.

The need for a day and night mode with these displays is not very high because the range of light output on these displays is very limited.

ISF and Pioneers motivation for this mode is their own.

I think the C3 bashing has not been justified yet. This is the second reply to the same questions about "bugs" or "problems that need fixes" when this mode is used and STILL no specifics are given to what these problems/complaints/or service calls to Pioneer are.
post #262 of 2816
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Originally Posted by NOCAL View Post

I think the C3 bashing has not been justified yet. This is the second reply to the same questions about "bugs" or "problems that need fixes" when this mode is used and STILL no specifics are given to what these problems/complaints/or service calls to Pioneer are.

The problems relate to not being able to communicate with the display, missing key parameters and hosed displays. Here is one from AVS. Pioneer and the C3 vendors may have fixed these, but there is no reason to use it with the quality user menu on these displays.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post8246011
post #263 of 2816
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Originally Posted by mfb View Post

970 works great with the 1140. Feed it 480i via HDMI.

I also had the Pio 79 and couldn't tell the difference between the two.

marty

I don 't understand. How do you feed it 480i when DVD is already 480P?!
post #264 of 2816
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Originally Posted by dylan24 View Post

Fellow 940/1140 owners, which screen size have you found to be best for DVDs - "cinema", "wide" or something else, and also, during the break in period, which would you recommend for DVDs.

zoom it once so it is stretched vertically to eliminate the 2.35 bars at the top and bottom. You on't lose too much resolution this way either.
post #265 of 2816
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Originally Posted by omeletpants View Post

This is the reason I got rid of the my 1140. The picture is soft and the only thing you can do is turn down the brightness and turn up the contrast. Even then the picture will not be crisp. It also gave me a certain amount of eye fatigue. There is nothing in the service menu or user controls that will improve focus

This is the best TV on the market, besides the FHD1. But, I'm not surprised coming from someone who had the color set to -10!!
post #266 of 2816
I am looking at buying one of these units soon...can you folks tell me in your opinion what is the best set. I have a large great room with many windows. I do like the Sony but the Pioneer looks great too!! I am a newbie and know some of the dif between the lcd and plasma but still a little unsure. I am not a gamer but love sports and movies. If I have posted this in the wrong area sorry.

Mark
post #267 of 2816
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Originally Posted by essogas View Post

This is the best TV on the market, besides the FHD1. But, I'm not surprised coming from someone who had the color set to -10!!

I don't need your sarcasm. Keep it to yourself, troll
post #268 of 2816
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Originally Posted by riosrancho View Post

I am looking at buying one of these units soon...can you folks tell me in your opinion what is the best set. I have a large great room with many windows. I do like the Sony but the Pioneer looks great too!! I am a newbie and know some of the dif between the lcd and plasma but still a little unsure. I am not a gamer but love sports and movies. If I have posted this in the wrong area sorry.

Mark

Both sets are excellent. You must view them many times and make a decision. What others say should not be of importance to you as comments and opinions will be all over the place. Check the features and the 'looks' of both sets along with prices and the selling dealer. Neither plasma nor lcds are 'the best'. A lot will depend how and where they will be used. They are both expensive so, just as when buying a new car, take them both out for a spin...several times. Bottom line, you will be pleased with either one. The main difference is..the plasma is a 720p and the Sony is a 1080p set. If you are going to buy a HD-DVD player and plan on keeping the tv for 5 or more years, you may want to give this a consideration. I imagine you can cover those big windows when viewing in the daytime.
post #269 of 2816
Good advice Rich...I will consider all those options..I did think that the Pioneer was 1080. I guess I was wrong.
post #270 of 2816
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Originally Posted by riosrancho View Post

Good advice Rich...I will consider all those options..I did think that the Pioneer was 1080. I guess I was wrong.

The 940/1140 is a 1080i set and will accept a 1080p signal. Some people equate 1080i to 720p.
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