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post #121 of 2650
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Originally Posted by TrendSetterX View Post

I think the point he was getting at was whether or not he needed to include the digital-Coax audio OUT from the Mitsu in his list of inputs needed on the receiver. Yes. If you plan on using a cable card or the internal tuners of the TV, AND you want audio through your receiver (not just the TV speakers) then you will need to run a digital-Coax from your TV to your receiver.

As I mentioned earlier, you can't rely on the TV's Digital-Coax -OUT- to provide Dolby Digital signals from your external components when connected via HDMI. For those you'll need to run TOS-Link or D-Coax from the components themselves to the reciever individually.

Is there a site that lays out the receiver specs side by side? So that i can easily identify which ones have the basic features like digital audio inputs, Im looking for. Shopping for recievers is tough to compare.

thanks!
post #122 of 2650
This isn't exactly what you want, but is a shootout of 3 midsized receivers. The Yamaha critiqued here is the older model, not the new 2700 due out in a couple weeks.
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/equ...receivers.html
post #123 of 2650
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Originally Posted by SailorKane View Post

This isn't exactly what you want, but is a shootout of 3 midsized receivers. The Yamaha critiqued here is the older model, not the new 2700 due out in a couple weeks.
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/equ...receivers.html

Thanks. I guess that too much$ for me.

I stumbled on crunchfeld and they let you select a reciever to do side by side comparison. The Sony STR-DG600 seems like a good choice to work with the Mitsubishi. Its about 260. 100W and has 4 optical and 2 coax digital inputs. It auto detects the inputs and says Auto will decode the signal in its original form (Dolby Digital, DTS, PCM, etc), PCM decodes the signal to 2-channel. I hope 2 channel doesnt mean stereo.
post #124 of 2650
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Originally Posted by largdiag View Post

Thanks. I guess that too much$ for me.

I stumbled on crunchfeld and they let you select a reciever to do side by side comparison. The Sony STR-DG600 seems like a good choice to work with the Mitsubishi. Its about 260. 100W and has 4 optical and 2 coax digital inputs. It auto detects the inputs and says Auto will decode the signal in its original form (Dolby Digital, DTS, PCM, etc), PCM decodes the signal to 2-channel. I hope 2 channel doesnt mean stereo.

Keep in mind that it doesn't have to be "new." There are some great deals to be had on ebay and craigslist or even here from people looking to upgrade.
post #125 of 2650
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Originally Posted by largdiag View Post

MACK has a combo warranty with lamp, 2replacements. not sure if 3 or 4 year after factory warranty. Its a AVS special for $300. can buy at that Texas online outfit. forgot the exact name.

Get the name and I'll check it out.

In order to be considered the warranty company has to agree to furnish a copy of their actual contract - that's what got WarrantyByNet disqualified. They refused to provide (ignored 3 successive requests for) an advance copy of their legal contract. WBN wouldn't even respond to emails even though they have a web presence and offer a customer service email link.

Per claims history from Service Net approx 80% of their "unrepairable/total replacement" claims occur in the 4th & 5th year making the 5-year plan (4 + Mfr year) a no-brainer, that is, if you're looking at an EW at all.

All of the new 2007 series Mitsubishi's in one way or another represent bits and pieces of cutting-edge technology with as yet unproven life expectancy. I for one don't feel like being anyone's guinea pig. While I can afford the initial outlay I'm sure going to feel like a damned fool 15 months from now if it craps out after the factory warranty and I'm left having to pony up $250 pickup & delivery charge + 1000~1500 to get it fixed and thereafter wonder how good the repair job is. Please spare me the lecture; I know EW's are a bad gamble, but I can't afford the alternative.
post #126 of 2650
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Preshoot View Post

Get the name and I'll check it out.

In order to be considered the warranty company has to agree to furnish a copy of their actual contract - that's what got WarrantyByNet disqualified. They refused to provide (ignored 3 successive requests for) an advance copy of their legal contract. WBN wouldn't even respond to emails even though they have a web presence and offer a customer service email link.

Per claims history from Service Net approx 80% of their "unrepairable/total replacement" claims occur in the 4th & 5th year making the 5-year plan (4 + Mfr year) a no-brainer, that is, if you're looking at an EW at all.

All of the new 2007 series Mitsubishi's in one way or another represent bits and pieces of cutting-edge technology with as yet unproven life expectancy. I for one don't feel like being anyone's guinea pig. While I can afford the initial outlay I'm sure going to feel like a damned fool 15 months from now if it craps out after the factory warranty and I'm left having to pony up $250 pickup & delivery charge + 1000~1500 to get it fixed and thereafter wonder how good the repair job is. Please spare me the lecture; I know EW's are a bad gamble, but I can't afford the alternative.

tape works texas .com/mack_warranty_combo.html

http://www.mackcam.com/warranty.html
post #127 of 2650
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Originally Posted by TrendSetterX View Post

Keep in mind that it doesn't have to be "new." There are some great deals to be had on ebay and craigslist or even here from people looking to upgrade.

Ok...Ill check it out. looks like going rate is about 230 on Ebay. Something thats only 260 new is probably now worth the gamble unless its a real good savings. Ill keep looking at some of the classifieds. good tip
thanks!
post #128 of 2650
Thread Starter 
Back on Sep 12th I posted the service menu codes for the new Mitsu 732 (and likely others in the same family) but mentioned in that post that I did not think they were correct.

With the help of AVS member Lcaillo I have been able to confirm that the service codes I gave Trendsetter are correct.

Leonard also shared another useful code with me, the Option Menu code, with which you can see the number of accumulated hours on your lamp. That might be quite useful.

SERVICE MENU - USE AT YOUR OWN RISK

  • Service Menu (for ISF calibration) press MENU, 2, 4, 5, 7
  • - Then use VIDEO or AUDIO buttons to enter two different groups of adjustments
  • - Video/Audio steps through the adjustments and your >>| and |<< (fast fwd/reverse) buttons enter and exit the sub-menues. Use your Up/Dn arrow keys to make the adjustments
  • - Press the [enter] key to save your changes
  • - Press the [MENU] key twice to exit Service Mode

OPTION MENU - USE AT YOUR OWN RISK
  • OPTION MENU (for lamp replacement, re-initialization & to see Lamp accumulated run-time in total hours)
  • - press MENU, 2, 4, 7, 0
  • - see Lamp total run time in hours on the bottom-left of the screen
  • - press the [MENU] key twice to exit Option Mode

I cannot sufficiently emphasize the importance of your very carefully noodling about inside the service & option menu. You can VIEW the settings and then press the [MENU] key twice to exit without making any changes. The [ENTER] key is what makes changes permanent. Please explore cautiously!!
post #129 of 2650
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Originally Posted by largdiag View Post

tape works texas .com/mack_warranty_combo.html

http://www.mackcam.com/warranty.html

Thanks. Email has been sent. I may also call them on Monday. I do note that the MACK is only a 3-yr warranty (3 + Mfr year = 4 total) which significantly reduces their risk and so the cost is understandably less expensive. According to ServiceNet year 5 is where most of the expensive (total replacement) claims are occurring.

On the surface, the MACK EW looks like a reasonably priced deal, but not that much of a good deal since it's a full year shorter than what I (and most others) want.
post #130 of 2650
I don't know, 3 + 1 for 4 years total coverage at a lower price seems more attractive to me if I were going to get the ESC. The only downside is that the bulb coverage on that combo starts at day one, not when the manufacturer warranty expires.

I've never been a fan of these warranties, and usually skip them. The thought of this TV going kaput in 16 months is a little scary, but if it happens 4.5 years from now I'd just use it as an excuse to upgrade.
post #131 of 2650
I am probably one or two emails ahead of you on the texas outfit and the Mack warrantee. I cannot yet get a copy of their actual contract also. Also, not sure if they replace the bulbs when they get DIM or just when they go OUT. So, the bulb is just covered in years 2 and 3, but they offer up to 2 replacements. Apparently the difference in cost between no bulb coverage and 2 bulb coverage is around 70. its a couple hundred for the tv itself. The "english language" version of what they cover looks good.
OTOH, if costco is getting all of the tv's in, they might be a better bet than the traditional high end stores, like Tweeters. Since Costco's return policy is so good.
post #132 of 2650
Is it necessary nowadays to get a receiver that has adjustable audio delay to account for lips sync issues?
Im shopping for a new A/V receiver to go with the 65732 and was wondering if lip sync can be aproblem with the mits.

thanks!
post #133 of 2650
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Preshoot View Post

Thanks. Email has been sent. I may also call them on Monday. I do note that the MACK is only a 3-yr warranty (3 + Mfr year = 4 total) which significantly reduces their risk and so the cost is understandably less expensive. According to ServiceNet year 5 is where most of the expensive (total replacement) claims are occurring.

On the surface, the MACK EW looks like a reasonably priced deal, but not that much of a good deal since it's a full year shorter than what I (and most others) want.

Like to know what you find out. MAck has to be bought in first 30 days of ownership. So I need to decide on something, if at all, in a couple weeks.
post #134 of 2650
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Originally Posted by largdiag View Post

Is it necessary nowadays to get a receiver that has adjustable audio delay to account for lips sync issues?
Im shopping for a new A/V receiver to go with the 65732 and was wondering if lip sync can be aproblem with the mits.

thanks!

Somtimes. It completely depends on the setup. The thing to keep in mind is that it's not the audio that's delayed, it's the video (so sometimes you need to be able to delay the audio so it matches the video). The cause is fairly straight forward. Because every device can do it's own video processing, each step of processing can add up and cause delays. To compound this, the fact these Mitsus are native 1080p sets combined with the fact that there are almost no 1080p source components means that you will always have to add one video processing step to the mix for the TV to scale to its native 1080p resolution. On the other hand, Audio, more often than not, is passed over TOS-link in pure, untouched bit-stream to be decoded and handled once by the receiver.

Froudja processing is a heavy hitter in this regard and you'll notice on the Sammy DLP threads that lipsynch is often an issue. The Froudja OPPO DVD player (which I have) has also had its fair share of issues but, thanks to OPPO firmware updates is mostly a thing of the past.

The key, for image quality and video delay, is to have fewest steps of video processing possible between source media and the image hitting the screen.

Again, though, it really depends on your setup.
post #135 of 2650
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by largdiag View Post

Like to know what you find out. MAck has to be bought in first 30 days of ownership.

Yeah, saw that. Sounds like they're trying to give you the old Bum's Rush like a used car dealer. Personally, I'd pass. The mere fact that the Mack is a 3-yr vs most others are 4 yrs is enough to turn me off. Cheap, yes, but in exchange for the savings, you give up the single most important year of the contract. They're trying hard to avoid paying claims and by eliminating the highest-risk year is one surefire way to avoid a lot of them.

Mits 1-yr factory warranty on the 732 models includes a lamp. However, the lamp (out-of-warranty) is only $249 whereas an in-shop repair typically runs $800~$1000 or more so I'm more inclined to want an EW for the high-dollar protection it affords and I'll eat the lamp cost (if necessary). Sort of like getting 'major medical' coverage with the lamp as the deductible.

In reading the fine print in the warranty "contracts" they all have a lifetime cap on the maximum total of combined claims they will pay. That "cap" is the original purchase price that you paid, not the MSRP for the unit, minus tax. Translation: you only have total replacement cost coverage until you have a claim. Once a claim is paid the amount of remaining coverage is reduced by the total amount of previous claims already paid. - That's a very significant point.

"No Lemon Guarantee" also does not include repairs for the same failure that occurred during the factory warranty period.

NONE, not a single one of the current flock of EW contracts I've looked at include any coverage for annual cleaning & alignment. Do the new 631, 731, 732 and 831 DLP sets need periodic cleaning? What's involved in the cleaning process?
post #136 of 2650
DLPs use a single chip and thus do not need to be converged or aligned. Nor is there any need to do cleaning of the mirrors as with a CRT.
post #137 of 2650
I've spent the last couple of days thinking about upgrading my tv. I currently have a 50" LCD Panasonic which has serve me well for three years. I went to my local ABC warehouse store and the 732 caught my eye. Before I go ahead and purchase the tv, I need some help from you guys.

I was told my the sale person that no matter what I connect to the tv, the tv will use it's own processing and upconvert it to 1080p. Is this true?

While I was there, I had time to watch some football on HD and I notice a lot of motion artifacts as the camera was moving fast. Is this normal?

I also noticed horizontal banding watching the same game and was wondering if this has to do with the comcast feed.

I would also appreciate some feedback about the EW ABC offers.

Thanks for the help
post #138 of 2650
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Preshoot View Post

Yeah, saw that. Sounds like they're trying to give you the old Bum's Rush like a used car dealer. Personally, I'd pass. The mere fact that the Mack is a 3-yr vs most others are 4 yrs is enough to turn me off. Cheap, yes, but in exchange for the savings, you give up the single most important year of the contract. They're trying hard to avoid paying claims and by eliminating the highest-risk year is one surefire way to avoid a lot of them.

Mits 1-yr factory warranty on the 732 models includes a lamp. However, the lamp (out-of-warranty) is only $249 whereas an in-shop repair typically runs $800~$1000 or more so I'm more inclined to want an EW for the high-dollar protection it affords and I'll eat the lamp cost (if necessary). Sort of like getting 'major medical' coverage with the lamp as the deductible.

In reading the fine print in the warranty "contracts" they all have a lifetime cap on the maximum total of combined claims they will pay. That "cap" is the original purchase price that you paid, not the MSRP for the unit, minus tax. Translation: you only have total replacement cost coverage until you have a claim. Once a claim is paid the amount of remaining coverage is reduced by the total amount of previous claims already paid. - That's a very significant point.

"No Lemon Guarantee" also does not include repairs for the same failure that occurred during the factory warranty period.

NONE, not a single one of the current flock of EW contracts I've looked at include any coverage for annual cleaning & alignment. Do the new 631, 731, 732 and 831 DLP sets need periodic cleaning? What's involved in the cleaning process?

aside from cleaning. Which EW would you go for?
post #139 of 2650
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Originally Posted by TrendSetterX View Post

Somtimes. It completely depends on the setup. The thing to keep in mind is that it's not the audio that's delayed, it's the video (so sometimes you need to be able to delay the audio so it matches the video). The cause is fairly straight forward. Because every device can do it's own video processing, each step of processing can add up and cause delays. To compound this, the fact these Mitsus are native 1080p sets combined with the fact that there are almost no 1080p source components means that you will always have to add one video processing step to the mix for the TV to scale to its native 1080p resolution. On the other hand, Audio, more often than not, is passed over TOS-link in pure, untouched bit-stream to be decoded and handled once by the receiver.

Froudja processing is a heavy hitter in this regard and you'll notice on the Sammy DLP threads that lipsynch is often an issue. The Froudja OPPO DVD player (which I have) has also had its fair share of issues but, thanks to OPPO firmware updates is mostly a thing of the past.

The key, for image quality and video delay, is to have fewest steps of video processing possible between source media and the image hitting the screen.

Again, though, it really depends on your setup.

OK.. I think the only time Im going to potentiall have lip sync problems is via the Oppo. You mentioned they improved that, but I also think I remember seeing a latency value that you can enter. havent view material on the OPpo, DVR, cable and direct so far no lipsync problems. So that beging the case, I guess I dont think I need to lock myself down to receiver with that feature.

I was not looking at the Pioneer VSX 816, and I dont think it has latency adjust.
thanks!
post #140 of 2650
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by largdiag View Post

aside from cleaning. Which EW would you go for?

Started with 6, have elimated all but two; TechShield & ServiceNet.

I specifically asked, and for the Mitsu 732 (and similar) both offer 5-yr plans (4 + Factory year = 5 total). Both include 1 lamp (plus the factory lamp in the first year, if needed) so I guess some might count that as 2 lamps. Both offer voltage surge/spike protection, neither offer lightning protection. ServiceNet is fairly expensive; TechShield = $452, ServiceNet = $599. I was previously with ServiceNet and they paid a full replacement ($2500) claim on an almost 5-yr old tv with only 3 months to go in the warranty, completely without hassle.

With TechShield you have until the last 90 days remain in your original factory warranty. With ServiceNet you must buy within the 1st 90 days of ownership.

TechShield is available from *******. ServiceNet is available from Tweeter, CDW, PcMall and others.
post #141 of 2650
I just got my 65732. It ran for 4 hours, then a problem. the green power now is flashing fast and the reset seitch just gets back to that screen.

Has anyone seen this? and if so how do you goet out of this?

tg
post #142 of 2650
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Originally Posted by trgonz View Post

I just got my 65732. It ran for 4 hours, then a problem. the green power now is flashing fast and the reset seitch just gets back to that screen.

Has anyone seen this? and if so how do you goet out of this?

tg

Could be a problem with your electrical power. Stick a surge protector on it. If you can't get it going again I believe I'd be on the phone w/the dealer. (sure hope for your sake that you didn't buy it mailorder)
post #143 of 2650
I ordered it from the Home Theater Store. They have them up here is Dallas as well as where you are in Houston.

I do Have an APC surge surge protector (Rackmount type). Still get the same thing.

I will have to call them in the morning.

bummer... I was looking forward to watch the FC Dallas game on HDNet tonight....

TG
post #144 of 2650
Thread Starter 
A correction.

For both the WD 57732 and WD 65732 (and their Y57/Y65 cousins) the Techshield EW is $399 not $452. Their breakpoint is $3000. Since the "replacement cost" (minus tax) for both models is actually under $3k it appears that the the lower price applies. The ServiceNet price is unaffected.

Note: Replacement cost has no relationship to the price you paid. The EW companies operate at "Distributor Net" pricing, not MSRP.
post #145 of 2650
I will most likely go with the 3 yr Mack Warrenty...

Year 1 - Manufacturer
Year 2 - Mack
Year 3 - Mack
Year 4 - Mack
Year 5 - Credit Card Company ( I charged the TV to my CC to double the manufacture warrenty.

I believe the Mack Warrenty is 210.00 which includes one or two bulbs. Anyways, this is my plan as of now.
post #146 of 2650
How do the EWs you get over the internet work? If you have a problem, who do you call?
post #147 of 2650
I'm just wondering if anyone here has used a HTPC through the DVI port. Any actual overscan? How about 1:1 pixal mapping.

HTPC is a major factor in deciding what TV i'm getting. On paper the Mits 732 series seem the perfect tv for me. I'm hoping to get some 1st hand info about HTPC usage.
post #148 of 2650
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Originally Posted by lagcal3 View Post

I'm just wondering if anyone here has used a HTPC through the DVI port. Any actual overscan? How about 1:1 pixal mapping.

HTPC is a major factor in deciding what TV i'm getting. On paper the Mits 732 series seem the perfect tv for me. I'm hoping to get some 1st hand info about HTPC usage.

I'll be able to tell you for sure on Monday. But based on the research I've done, there will be a bit of overscan unless you want to mess around with special "resolution in a resolution" hacks in Powerstrip, which are not appealing to me because it means you no longer have a full 1920x1080 desktop. All rear-projection sets are going to have some overscan, it's just the nature of the beast.

1:1 pixel mapping is supposed to be possible though, Mits touts this as their "True1080p" meaning it can accept a 1080p input and pass it through unaltered.

From what I can tell the 2007 Mits DLP's are the top contenders for HTPC right now. The Samsung HLS5688 is the only other serious alternative, and it's actually more expensive than the Mits 732.
post #149 of 2650
Thanks jkohn,

For me it's between the Mits 732 and the sammy hls-6187
The 87 series has the problem with having the overscan stay off but i'm thinking I might be able to program my pronto remote to turn off the overscan very easily.

That and the prices on the 87 1080p series have dropped through the floor.


Keep us updated on your HTPC progress. I'm not buying for a few months anyway but i'm obsessed over the tech stuff. Alot of very late nights!
post #150 of 2650
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Originally Posted by Trackman View Post

DLPs use a single chip and thus do not need to be converged or aligned. Nor is there any need to do cleaning of the mirrors as with a CRT.

Except for the fact that this generation of Mitsu DLPs uses a single chip, I beg to differ on pretty much every other point:
  1. CRTs don't have mirrors ( see http://arcadecontrols.com/files/Misc...ous/crtfaq.htm )
  2. Mitsu DLPs most certainly can have their horizontal and vertical positions aligned programmatically via the service menu as well as the picture aligned manually via keystone adjustments
  3. The positioning of at least one of the mirrors in DLP sets is such that it collects dust. If you check the threads of prior year Mitsu DLPs, you'll find that numerous people noted much improvement after having the mirrors cleaned. You'll also find that for a lot of those people that had their mirrors cleaned professionally, that it was covered under their EW.
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