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post #31 of 4601
Anyone paired their set with a nice sound system? I'm set to have DefTech Mythos 6 and 7 fronts and center, Supercube sub, and Canton surrounds. I'm pairing that with Onkyo 604, but I worry that might not be enough receiver for the whole shebang. Tempted to set up to the 803 or Denon 2807.

Thoughts without getting off thread?
post #32 of 4601
Has anyone gotten the 4095D to accept 480i over HDMI? I have the Directv HD TiVo and 480i over HDMI doesn't work. I can't tell if the box won't output 480i over HDMI, the set won't accept it or both.

I can't find the answer in my manual, so if anyone does find it please let me know what page. The website only lists the supported resolutions on the component input, not the HDMI input. I know that a lot of devices have problems with 480i over HDMI because it's bandwidth is actually below the HDMI spec. This is why so few DVD players output 480i over HDMI.

The reason I ask is that I am going to have to return the Direct HD TiVo because of OTA issues and am thinking about getting a Series 3 TiVo. It has a native pass through option(480i, 720p and 1080i) and I want to make sure the 4095 accepts 480i over HDMI before I drop $800.

Any help is appreciated.
post #33 of 4601
I know my 4695 doesn't accept 480i from my Dish HD receiver...
post #34 of 4601
I have noticed that my LN-S4096D does not like 480i over HDMI from my Series 3 TiVo. The Series 3 does have a couple different options for upconverting 480i signals to 720p or 1080i, which is what I am doing for now.
post #35 of 4601
does the 4696 have input memories? that is, can you set settings (color, contrast, sharpness, etc.) for different sources like dvds, sd, etc. and it remembers the settings when you use that source? or do you have to reset it everytime?
post #36 of 4601
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Originally Posted by shamste View Post

I have noticed that my LN-S4096D does not like 480i over HDMI from my Series 3 TiVo. The Series 3 does have a couple different options for upconverting 480i signals to 720p or 1080i, which is what I am doing for now.

How do you like your Series 3 TiVo?

That stinks about the 4096 not accepting 480i over HDMI. Thanks for the reply, though.
post #37 of 4601
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Originally Posted by iGrooveLA View Post

does the 4696 have input memories? that is, can you set settings (color, contrast, sharpness, etc.) for different sources like dvds, sd, etc. and it remembers the settings when you use that source? or do you have to reset it everytime?

No. Setting stays when inputs change.
post #38 of 4601
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by bmack View Post

No. Setting stays when inputs change.


This is one of the few benefits the Sony XBR2/3 have over this TV. I wish it had it but there are 3 settings that are all the same (Standard, Custom, and Dynamic) which you can use for specific inputs. Movie always does something to the vid processor to enhance (or not process) contrast.

So for me....

Standard = TV
Custome = Xbox 360
Dynamic = DVD

Dynamic is only messed up by default but you can complely reconfigure all the settings. So I just look at it as Config1, Config2, Config3.


------------- On another note I am not happy with the Dennon 1730 -----------

I just returned the Dennon 1730 DVD player I bought. I should have known better but the DVDs image quality was no better than my 5 year old DVD player that actually has the Farouga chip and outputs component.

Also, one strange thing with the Samsung is that if the input is HDMI, it does not offer the same zoom modes as with component. What this means is that if you play old (crappy) DVS or new (crappy) Star Wars bonus discs which are "LETTERBOX" the zoom will not keep the corect aspect ration.

Other problems with the 1730 were the layer change was not good at all. It was just as slow as other really cheap ones and maybe worse. And you could dim all the lights on the front but they were still too bright and they added an anoying bright orange LED to indicate the HDMI cable was active but you could not dim that at all. All in all, I was simply not impressed with the 1080i scaling and could not see any improvement over my much older DVD so I returned it.

What this means, is if you are getting a HDMI DVD player or HD DVD make sure it supports a number of zoom features so that it can use the whole TV for these old things. Of cousre it won't look that good but I like to use the whole TV whenever possible.


----------- And HDMI Cables.... "I mean Come On" -----------------

One last note: When I picked up the $160 Dennon DVD the salesman pointed me to there Audioquest HDMI cables for.... get this... $360 I had to laugh in his face. I mean you can argue the merits of high quality analog signal cables all day but these are digital signals. They did have cheaper ones for $80 but once again, give me a break. I told him I could find them much cheaper online and he kind of shook his head as if to say good luck.

I picked up 2 HDMI gold connector cables over at monoprice for about $6 each. For a total of less than $20 I had 2 cable shipped to my door.

I know cables are always a rip off but this is price gouging at a whole new level and its shameful for stores to try to get away with this. Don't buy these overpriced rip-offs HDMI or DVI cables.
post #39 of 4601
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Originally Posted by mfogarty5 View Post

How do you like your Series 3 TiVo?

That stinks about the 4096 not accepting 480i over HDMI. Thanks for the reply, though.

Still kicking the tires, but so far I really like it. Having CableCard issues with Comcast, but what else is new. Haven't had a chance to get everything scheduled on the series 3, so I keep having to go back and forth to my Series 1, but going back to the series 3 after watching the series 1 is like seeing sunshine for the first time.
post #40 of 4601
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Originally Posted by bmack View Post

No. Setting stays when inputs change.


I could of swore my 4695 changed settings when I changed from one source to the next. I'll have to double check that.
post #41 of 4601
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Originally Posted by Padrino View Post


----------- And HDMI Cables.... "I mean Come On" -----------------

One last note: When I picked up the $160 Dennon DVD the salesman pointed me to there Audioquest HDMI cables for.... get this... $360 I had to laugh in his face. I mean you can argue the merits of high quality analog signal cables all day but these are digital signals. They did have cheaper ones for $80 but once again, give me a break. I told him I could find them much cheaper online and he kind of shook his head as if to say good luck.

I picked up 2 HDMI gold connector cables over at monoprice for about $6 each. For a total of less than $20 I had 2 cable shipped to my door.

I know cables are always a rip off but this is price gouging at a whole new level and its shameful for stores to try to get away with this. Don't buy these overpriced rip-offs HDMI or DVI cables.

Get a great deal on the big unit, then they make up the difference on the little stuff. I thought I got out of the store OK buying 2 HDMI cables for $45 each. Guess I should have gotten my own via internet, but the store is doing the custom install on all the other stuff so it's hard to separate things like that.

PS if anyone cares I ditched my Onkyo 604 for a Pioneer Elite 80 to pair with the TV. Sales guy really tried to push the Onkyo to the point I suspect the store has some secondary gain if they sell more Onkyo's. For the money, the Pioneer actually got me much more.
post #42 of 4601
The following note was on a recent SONY 2500 board...Overscan. You lose 2% of whatever HD signals is being fed to the Sammy sets versus other brands (Sony, Sharp, etc.). The easiest way to spot this is to go to an electronics store on Saturday or Sunday afternoon and watch an HD football game in progress on several HDTV's. Wait until the TV camera stays on a stationary shot (a graphic, a crowd shot that isn't panning, a long shot of the stadium, etc.) for an extended period of time (5-10 seconds), pick an object on the edge of the Sony/Sharp/etc. screen (the edge of a graphic, a fence, a spectator) and then watch that same object on the Sammy sets. You have to be looking for this on more than two sets next to each other, so don't try this when the TV cameras are panning or moving. I guarantee you that, once you see it on the Sammy sets (and several LG HDTV's too), you'll be surprised to see how much 2% missing image will bother you. This broke my heart because the Sammy 1080p LCD's seemed to have OK picture and were much cheaper than Sony and Sharp models. Once you spot the overscan it's like a dead pixel; once you see one you'll see it on your mind when nobody else can and will drive you mad!

I though this was only true for HTPC or Games...If I intend to use the 4095 for DVD and HD through a cable box this would be a major concern....Any comments???
post #43 of 4601
I wrote the paragraph you copy-pasted. I'm not into HTPC or hooking-up computers to my future HDTV, just want to make sure when I get PS3, OTA/cable HD stations and HD-DVD/Blue-Ray that I see the 1080p resolution I'm paying top dollar for. This is why I'v ignored HDTV's that display 1920x1080 but don't accept 1080p signals (JVC, Toshiba, etc.) and concentrated on brands/models that do. Twice I came sooooooo close to pulling the trigger on either a 4095D or 4605D it's not even funny, with my perpetual self-doubt about the Sammy's being so many hundred dollars cheaper than the Sony XBR2's stopping me. Then our astute Godmother of pointless-but-deep 1080p testing Therese put several 1080p HDTV's through their paces and discovered the 2% overscan and lack of 1:1 passthrough on the 4X95D Sammy's. It wasn't until last weekend that I saw the ABC college football game on several HDTV's in a store that I could see the missing 2% image on the Sammy LCD's that was not on the other monitors. Not just Sammy 1080p LCD's but also 720p plasmas, LCD's and DLP's as well!

Bottom line (and this hurts my pocket big time because the Sammy 1080p LCD's can be gotten for really low prices at Datavision's eBay store compared with other stores): whether it's an HD TV signal or computers or videogames, the Sammy LCD's don't pass the signal 1:1 and overscan (i.e. crop out and lose) 2% of the image it receives. Don't take my word for it, go to a store that is displaying the same HD, screen-filling video feed (preferably a live HD football game) and wait for the camera to stand still. Position yourself between Sony XBR2 and Sammy 4X95D and look at the screen carefully. Maybe you can live without 2% of the picture, but once it's in my head there's no getting around this fatal flaw of the Sammy LCD. Got damn shame!
post #44 of 4601
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Originally Posted by rad View Post

OK, FWIW, here's what Sypder TV came up with. I have power saving set to medium.

Brightness - 46
Contrast - 96 (that's right, 96)
Color - 50
Tint - 69
Color temp - Warm2

Anyone else have some settings they'd like to share???

I thought I read in the manual online that you can't adjust tint on the 4695 through component or HDMI. Can someone set me straight on that. Thanks.
post #45 of 4601
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Originally Posted by tunnelight06 View Post

I thought I read in the manual online that you can't adjust tint on the 4695 through component or HDMI. Can someone set me straight on that. Thanks.

In custom mode you can. Don't know about doing it in the pre-sets.
post #46 of 4601
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Originally Posted by rad View Post

In custom mode you can. Don't know about doing it in the pre-sets.

I thought it said when watching digital TV via HDMI or component that you can not change the tint at all on the 4695. I hope you are right though. Thanks.
post #47 of 4601
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Originally Posted by tunnelight06 View Post

I thought it said when watching digital TV via HDMI or component that you can not change the tint at all on the 4695. I hope you are right though. Thanks.

Sorry, I have a 4696, not 4695, mistake on my part.
post #48 of 4601
I am waiting on delivery of a 4696D in about a week. Time Warner is my cable provider. Should consider using a cable card instead of a set top box? My major concern is picture quality. The only feature I would miss is the on screen guide. I would trade it for a better picture.
post #49 of 4601
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by tunnelight06 View Post

I thought I read in the manual online that you can't adjust tint on the 4695 through component or HDMI. Can someone set me straight on that. Thanks.

I have the 4095 and you can change the tint when using HDMI(1080i) input on all the modes. The only time when its restricted is when you use PC/VGA connection. When you use that connection you can not change the color saturation and I believe tint as well is disabled. This was the problem I had with the 360 using VGA. You could not adjust the color settings.
post #50 of 4601
I saw the 4095 hooked up to Blu Ray last night at BB - it was pretty awesome, but the HD feed coming off the component standard def DVD player on the 4096D was even better. They had it right next to the Sony 46XBR3, and it was better than the new bravia. Even the magnolia guy recommended the 4696D over the XBR3 The Elite plasma hooked up with the HD DVD drive was pretty amazing though, better than both - but at $9,999 I'm not surprised.
post #51 of 4601
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Originally Posted by shamste View Post

I have been looking at the Sanus VM400B for my LN-S4096D. It claims an 80 lbs. capacity, which would be more than enough since the 40" LCD is only about 46 lbs w/o stand (if I remember correctly). What you may want to look at also is that the single stud models (like the VM400) only have an arm length of 20", so you may not be able to turn the monitor 90 degrees.

One thing I have not been able to find is how metal studs affect the capacity. The installation manual I found online recommended wood studs and said nothing about metal studs. Am I going to run into a big problem with this? I have a couple more weekends before I can put the mount up anyway, so I'll keep poking around to see if I can find an answer.

I actually bought the VM400B to mount my 4095 and everything seems to be ok. It works well and feels solid for my purposes. However I only pull the arm out fully from time to time (just for show) so I can't really say if it can hold well with the tv fully articulated for long periods of time. I figure the farther away it is from the wall the increase of stress on the stud.
post #52 of 4601
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Originally Posted by Padrino View Post

------------- On another note I am not happy with the Dennon 1730 -----------

I just returned the Dennon 1730 DVD player I bought. I should have known better but the DVDs image quality was no better than my 5 year old DVD player that actually has the Farouga chip and outputs component.

Also, one strange thing with the Samsung is that if the input is HDMI, it does not offer the same zoom modes as with component. What this means is that if you play old (crappy) DVS or new (crappy) Star Wars bonus discs which are "LETTERBOX" the zoom will not keep the corect aspect ration.

Other problems with the 1730 were the layer change was not good at all. It was just as slow as other really cheap ones and maybe worse. And you could dim all the lights on the front but they were still too bright and they added an anoying bright orange LED to indicate the HDMI cable was active but you could not dim that at all. All in all, I was simply not impressed with the 1080i scaling and could not see any improvement over my much older DVD so I returned it.

What this means, is if you are getting a HDMI DVD player or HD DVD make sure it supports a number of zoom features so that it can use the whole TV for these old things. Of cousre it won't look that good but I like to use the whole TV whenever possible.


Padrino, could you share with us the model of your 5-year old DVD player? I am also debating whether it worths the money to get an up-convert DVD player.

The price on S4695D just kept falling. I was going to wait for the Sharp D62, but finally pulled trigger on a S4695D at *******, and it is scheduled to arrive tomorrow or Friday. Also purchased 4-year extended warranty, and will have it extended by another year with my Amex card. Have ordered an upgrade to Dish HD, and am looking for a DVD player. Believe it or not, my DVD player does not have component output HD-DVD or Blueray is definitely not in my list, so I am left with 480p or up-convert. I was going to order an Oppo, but have seen quite a few post like yours on up-convert not making much difference.

Thanks much for posting the settings.
post #53 of 4601
Can someone please share the differences between the 4095 and the 4096? Thanks.
post #54 of 4601
1)DCR
2)Cable Card
3)active USBport -not only for service(95d back panel-service2-looks like one in the manual)-Wiselink
4)Wiselink software
5)Firewire IEEE- 2
6)DNET software
7)Design -glass speaker reflector on bottom
-4696d- circular stand
- slightly rounder backplate
8)Size- 4696d - + .1 inch depth size
9)Viewable screensize- 4696d has + .1inch width and height
10)extra s video on the side panel for the 4695d
post #55 of 4601
Wow - I don't use CableCard or DCR, usb and firewire use seems obscure on a TV - I am DEFINITELY going for the 4095d!!! I can get it for only about $200 more than the 4092D through amazon!
post #56 of 4601
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Originally Posted by westsidejc View Post

I actually bought the VM400B to mount my 4095 and everything seems to be ok. It works well and feels solid for my purposes. However I only pull the arm out fully from time to time (just for show) so I can't really say if it can hold well with the tv fully articulated for long periods of time. I figure the farther away it is from the wall the increase of stress on the stud.

I am installing the mount this weekend, but I will also only be pulling the panel out ocassionally to watch it from the kitchen.
post #57 of 4601
Can someone comment on the 4095 picture quality when viewing a dark movie scene in a dark room? I've heard black levels can be dissapointing, how do they look? Say a scene like Batman Begins in a dark room?
post #58 of 4601
The pitch darkness can really disppoint any of the LCD gung-ho..chaps..
It will take a while for LCDs to reach the contrast depth of plasmas..

anyways on the overscan issue.... the way settings work for sammy looks a little different than what might work for Sony.

sometimes the 16:9 setting helps keep the entire 100% of the picture in shape and within the exact viewing limits... sometimes when u switch between DVD/Cable, when one of the source systems performs a stretch or any sort of "upgrade" to picture size assuming a large screen, a switch always messes up the TV, so it might be important to check botht the source and TV to get the right combo for all Sammy's.
Nevertheless will go to the store and see if My theory and experimentation works with the TVs there.... if yes then it will only mean that the way input settings in Sammy is calibrated is a little different from others ... **Different not a loss**

getting the mount today....finally will be able to mount it up and see the picture up there :-)
post #59 of 4601
How bad is the black level/shadow detail in the dark? This is the only thing holding be back right now...
post #60 of 4601
If worried about the black level read this. I know it not the same exact tv but it's still a Sammy that has that option available.

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Originally Posted by HomeTheaterMag.com View Post

About halfway through my review, I decided to see what would happen when I pressed the E.Saving button on the remote. Lo and behold, I had found the adjustable backlight. Samsung calls it "Energy Saving" and buries it on page two of the TV's general setup menu. You can choose between four Energy Saving settings that dictate the brightness of the LCD's backlight: Off, Low, Medium, and High. With Energy Saving off, the TV puts out the maximum amount of light and thus uses more energy. In the High mode, it saves the most energy by outputting the least amount of light, dropping from 138.2 ft-L down to a still-bright 41.15 ft-L. Obviously, this also had a huge effect on the TV's black level, lowering it to 0.032 ft-L. That's not the best measurement we've ever gotten from an LCD, but it's close, allowing for a much richer, more attractive image in a darkened room and an excellent overall contrast ratio of 1,286:1.

With just a few presses of that E.Saving button, my opinion of the LN-S3251D changed dramatically. Where once it was an average LCD, hindered by black-level and assorted noise issues, it had now become a pleasure to watch. Obviously, the better blacks were a welcomed improvement, but the lower backlight also drew less attention to the bit-depth and edge-enhancement issues. All of that extra light output was essentially shining a flashlight on these weaknesses. In the darker mode, they were less pronounced, which allowed me to sit back and enjoy the TV's strengthsits color temperature, detail, color, and contrast ratiowith few hindrances. Higher-resolution sources like HDTV and HD DVD looked especially good, but DVD and even upconverted SDTV held their own.
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