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post #4231 of 4601
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

Hi guys, I've been a proud LN-S4095D owner for awhile. Build DEC 06, T-Mos 2AUSO-1012, T-Mos 2AUS5-1002. Sources: att uverse HD (former Comcast HD cable was exc too) and SD DVD's-all look good. I recently borrowed a HD-DVD player to check out 1080p and that looks great! (even tho it will only play @ 60, not @24Hz, into my set). Bluray is coming soon, to a home theater near me! Let me add that I have no plans for using HTPC and sit 10' away in a room that can be very bright during the day-many windows, no shades..its a long story involving the wife and Feng Shui. Don't ask I have only tweaked a few settings, never calibrated, and usually have DNIe on. When I get more time I hope to do more with that, but as it is I really like the HD PQ.

I've lurked, appreciating this thread, and I've read till my eyes blur. l'd very much appreciate some of your knowledgeable & expert opinions on my specific circumstance.

I understand the big improvement forHTPC guys with Just Scan, but should I expect the 1026 FW update to yield noticeable PQ improvement for me on 1080i or p? I'm just trying to weigh the risk and effort involved vs the elusive "better PQ" potential benefit and divide by the law of diminishing returns...Thanks.

I've had my 4096 since March of 2007 and had a 4095 before that. Been tempted to do the FW upgrade awhile ago but decided that for me, it was more trouble than its worth. I have no plans for a HTPC and have zero interest in increasing overscan in 16:9 mode (you actually need overscan with your broadcast viewing), and trying to ignore the green line of pixels on the right of my screen while in 1080p60 mode is annoying. In short, I don't have an appreciation for the bugs that were introduced by the FW upgrade, however so slight. But that's just me...
post #4232 of 4601
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Originally Posted by ab2ab View Post

I've had my 4096 since March of 2007 and had a 4095 before that. Been tempted to do the FW upgrade awhile ago but decided that for me, it was more trouble than its worth. I have no plans for a HTPC and have zero interest in increasing overscan in 16:9 mode (you actually need overscan with your broadcast viewing), and trying to ignore the green line of pixels on the right of my screen while in 1080p60 mode is annoying. In short, I don't have an appreciation for the bugs that were introduced by the FW upgrade, however so slight. But that's just me...

Hey, ab, aren't you a Denon 988 guy, too? Great minds....
post #4233 of 4601
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Originally Posted by imorgan View Post

I checked the Samsung service partner site again today, and found this:



I'm retrieving the firmware now and will post for those interested in upgrading.

any new news? i was hoping for an update to the 4095 in reference to the scan issues. i have been pleased with the tv but i really dont know if i would ever buy another sammy after this. i have been watching annoying lines on side of my tv and sometime sparklies etc. the least they could do is send one last update to fix these issues while we enjoy the last few years of life from our sets.
post #4234 of 4601
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

Hey, ab, aren't you a Denon 988 guy, too? Great minds....

Hey buddy, thats me. I'm enjoying my 988 for now but I've got the 3808 on the brain. I'm probably 3-4 months away from picking one up and putting it through its paces.

Good to hear from ya.
post #4235 of 4601
they will be introducing the 3809 by then. there is typically a 4-5 month delay between the release of the 28 and lower series and the 38 and higher series. the 2809 and lower have been out for a good few months now. i own a 3808 and love it. it is my favorite receiver to date. but i would love to have the new audessey dynamic volume leveling. good thing i am a dealer!!
but back to the sammy. i would rather have 16:9 mode with 1% overscan than anything else. i by far watch more tv than 1080p bluray. the 3% overscan is ridiculous. i am not sure what the average amount of overscan is for a tv but i seem to really notice it a bunch on this set. i like to keep my HR20 set to native and let the tv do the scaling instead of leaving on 1080i. the tv has to have a better scaler than a $200 set top box. not to mention when they did the pix to pix mode it is not even right!!! i have several other sets in my house a pioneer elite pro-151, sharp lc-46d64, toshiba 32" and 22" LCD/DVD combos and a GO VIDEO 32" LCD and none have these scanning problems. it looks like this will be my last sammy.
post #4236 of 4601
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Originally Posted by double View Post

. i would rather have 16:9 mode with 1% overscan than anything else. i by far watch more tv than 1080p bluray. the 3% overscan is ridiculous. i am not sure what the average amount of overscan is for a tv but i seem to really notice it a bunch on this set. i like to keep my HR20 set to native and let the tv do the scaling instead of leaving on 1080i. the tv has to have a better scaler than a $200 set top box. .

Thanks, double. I take it to mean you, like ab2ab, have not done the upgrade, & for those reasons.

Hey, more Denon talk on the sammie string?! Ooops-Based on my new 2809ci I wouldn't get too pumped about autovolume but you will be amazed with DynEQ when playing at less than reference. Many 3808 owners appear very happy with their Audyssey upgrade.
post #4237 of 4601
yes i have the update but have not installed. is there any way to get a previous version to have to revert to?

ps i just found out about the update for the 3808 and 4308 that adds dynamic volume and eq, rhapsody, sirius, and CEC. that is one of the most awsome things to get such a major upgrade with out having to buy another receiver!!!
post #4238 of 4601
I bought my 4096 in the summer of 2006. Does anyone have information on its current resale value (if any)?
post #4239 of 4601
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Originally Posted by lawmanjcl View Post

I bought my 4096 in the summer of 2006. Does anyone have information on its current resale value (if any)?

Nope, but have you tried a google search? To narrow your results you might try something like "Samsung 4096 used" or "like new". Check ebay? There are also equipment for sale areas on forums like this one.

If you want to sell I also suggest you try listing on Craig's list-I've had very good success with that. Not as complicated as ebay, cash in hand, no shipping (which is a big deal with a TV).
post #4240 of 4601
One last try as I've gotten no response from anyone who has actually upgraded and can comment on any PQ improvement when viewing non-computer sources.

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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

...a proud LN-S4095D owner...Build DEC 06, T-Mos 2AUSO-1012, T-Mos 2AUS5-1002. Sources: att uverse HD and SD DVD's look good. HD-DVD 1080p looks great! (even tho it will only play @ 60, not @24Hz, into my set). Bluray is coming soon! I have no plans for using HTPC and I do like the HD PQ I am getting now. I've read this thread and I understand the big improvement forHTPC guys with Just Scan, but should I expect the 1026 FW update to yield noticeable PQ improvement for me on 1080i or p? I'm just trying to weigh the risk and effort involved vs the elusive "better PQ" potential benefit.
l'd very much appreciate a knowledgeable & expert opinion on my specific circumstance.
Thanks.

post #4241 of 4601
There was a fire at my house a couple months ago and as a result, my Samsung 4095 is now no more. I'm buying replacement TVs in our rental place and so far I have gotten a Bravia 52W4100. I am trying to get one more TV for our master bedroom where the Samsung was. The 4095 always felt a bit small for the space so this time around, I'm planning on getting a 52" for there. Thanks for all the advice in this thread guys.
post #4242 of 4601
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

One last try as I've gotten no response from anyone who has actually upgraded and can comment on any PQ improvement when viewing non-computer sources.


Hi,

I don't have real HD sources (I mean BD player or HD broadcast yet) but for my Oppo DV981HD outputting 1080p and for broadcast source (DSB - 480i - S-VHS) going through a Panasonic DVR that outputs at 1080i, the 1026 firmware gave a visible improvement in PQ (despite the defective line on the right side when using Just Scan with 1080p source).

The PQ improved visible on 16:9 mode too, but there was as increase in overscan (measured by others here of 1%).

The other advantage is it makes it 1080p 24fps compatible.
post #4243 of 4601
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Originally Posted by dsidney View Post

Hi,

I don't have real HD sources (I mean BD player or HD broadcast yet) but for my Oppo DV981HD outputting 1080p and for broadcast source (DSB - 480i - S-VHS) going through a Panasonic DVR that outputs at 1080i, the 1026 firmware gave a visible improvement in PQ (despite the defective line on the right side when using Just Scan with 1080p source).
The PQ improved visible on 16:9 mode too, but there was as increase in overscan (measured by others here of 1%).
The other advantage is it makes it 1080p 24fps compatible.

Thanks sid. Forgive my density, but I guess I don't understand
1 when/why you use Just Scan vs 16:9 and also
2 what 24fps is supposed to do for ya.
post #4244 of 4601
Well, rats...

Been using my LN-S4695D since 2007 and finally decided to update the firmware. It didn't "take", and the TV is now dead. I guess a replacement main board would be the only way to fix it, right?

If anyone has any ideas, I would appreciate it!

Thanks,

Cleiber
post #4245 of 4601
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

Thanks sid. Forgive my density, but I guess I don't understand
1 when/why you use Just Scan vs 16:9 and also
2 what 24fps is supposed to do for ya.

Hi,

You use Just Scan for HTPC or any other source that you don't want to be overscaned by the TV image software (BD players or any HD source capable of 1080i or p). This way you have 1:1 pixel mapping.

In this case, I meam for our TV's just scan firmaware upgrade, the additional advantage is that PQ improved too (but I can't say whatelse did they change on it), but the PQ improved visibly in my case (others may not perceive this way, but if I recall correct, some have reported this too).

As for the 16:9 mode, there was an original 2 % overscan, that increased to 3 % (measured by others here on this thread). The PQ improved on this mode too (at least for my case, and I remenber others reporting the same).

I have limited knowleadge on how films and video are shot. But from what I've learned here, most films are shot in 24 frames per second (24 fps). So when you have a player that is capable of reproducing the original format (I think it is called Source direct and some BD players have this capability) of the film and the dispaly is capable to recognize it, then the resulting image will be much better and judder free (somebody correct me if I am mistaken).

In my case I use the Oppo DV-981HD connected through an DVDO EDGE processor that converts the source image (480p - 60fps) to 1080p 24fps and the picture quality resulting is jaw dropping (for my setup, as I said before I don't have yet a BD player, so I can't compare).
But compared to the Oppo sending 1080p 60fps straight to the display, it makes a clear improvement. It woudn't be possible without the firmware upgrade, as the previous firmware didn't recognize 24 fps.

I hope it helps a bit.
post #4246 of 4601
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Originally Posted by clbgld View Post

Well, rats...

Been using my LN-S4095D since 2007 and finally decided to update the firmware. It didn't "take", and the TV is now dead. I guess a replacement main board would be the only way to fix it, right?

If anyone has any ideas, I would appreciate it!

Thanks,

Cleiber

Assuming that it is probably out of warranty by now, I would try to pay an authorized repair shop to try to record the firmware again on this board (I don't know if they have this knowleadge, probably not).

At this point, I believe you won't find a new mainborad for this TV (I couldn't). There are a few options (just search in this thread, you will see some options, or google it) to buy refurbished boards.

If you buy a refurbished board, you better expect some fault on it upfront or at least that it will not last long.
I got a replacement refurbished board under warranty from Samsung, and it worked properly only 10 months. So, I don't want to take the risk of paying $450 (Samsung Parts online Store) for a refurbished board, that could start faulting a few months later.

Good lucky on solving your problem. Let us know the result.
post #4247 of 4601
Thanks, dsidney. clbglb's experience is kinda scarey, though. My sammy's on BB extended warranty-maybe if it went dead I would get a new improved version....hmmmm....
post #4248 of 4601
Did you happen to check the flash disk after making sure you had the right Firmware for the correct set. I'm sure a little mixup like that could possibly cause set problems.
post #4249 of 4601
Oh yes - check, double and triple checked. Must be something between the TV and the memory stick. It showed that it updated it (1,2,3, rebooting now) and then, nothing. I do get the blinking blue LED which should be followed by the "happy tune" - but no happy tune...

The memory stick couldn't be read by the computer after I took it out of the TV - had to format it again. Took it on/off several times from the computer afterwards (and several other computers just in case) and it still works. The TV didn't like it (or IT didn't like the TV...) and it must have failed in the middle of the flash procedure.

I might be able to find a board - but wouldn't this mean that the TV would have to be re-calibrated after that? From what I read here this takes specialized equipment and know-how that even most technicians do not appear to have.

Cleber

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Originally Posted by shrabok View Post

Did you happen to check the flash disk after making sure you had the right Firmware for the correct set. I'm sure a little mixup like that could possibly cause set problems.
post #4250 of 4601
I guess no one knows how to re-flash the system eh?
post #4251 of 4601
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Originally Posted by clbgld View Post

Oh yes - check, double and triple checked. Must be something between the TV and the memory stick. It showed that it updated it (1,2,3, rebooting now) and then, nothing. I do get the blinking blue LED which should be followed by the "happy tune" - but no happy tune...

The memory stick couldn't be read by the computer after I took it out of the TV - had to format it again. Took it on/off several times from the computer afterwards (and several other computers just in case) and it still works. The TV didn't like it (or IT didn't like the TV...) and it must have failed in the middle of the flash procedure.

I might be able to find a board - but wouldn't this mean that the TV would have to be re-calibrated after that? From what I read here this takes specialized equipment and know-how that even most technicians do not appear to have.

Cleber


Cleber,

I would try to do the firmware process again, maybe the TV will take it this time, follow the instructions of Stew here on this thread by the T).

You can use the same memory stick as long it is formated in fat or fat16, or try with another stick.

I remember some people here, reporting that the firmware didn't took at the first time then after several attemptives it worked (not quite the same of your situation though).

But it is worth to give it a try again. I did tree firmware upgrades on my TV, with tree diferent firmwares releases, up to the last one, using a cheap stick (128 mbytes), all worked fine. The last firmware was made with my second mainboard (that came with one of the earliest's firmware of this TV series, I think it was 1003 or 1005).

You can exchange the board yourself, I did it on mine, it is very ease, you just have be carefull with the conectors (they are very fragile).

You can find a refurbished board very ease, but as for quality I don't now, but it worth a try, if doesn't work properly you send it back (just read the fine prints of the online vendors before yoou purchase it).

If the other "new" mainboard that you isntall was not damaged when taken from the original TV, it work imediately without the need of calibration. It will work with factory parameters (at least mine did). Again, if it is not damaged in any way.

Mine worked ok and took the firmware upgrade, but then after only then months it started failling intermitently. Still work sometimes, even then image is crappy.

Samsung TVs are great when they work, but their quality control is horrible.
For me, no more Samsung products, I'm done with then.
post #4252 of 4601
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Originally Posted by Patsfan123 View Post

So is it my understanding that even with 0x70 on 1080p delay there is no way around the red/green shimmering when using Justscan and 24hz?

Btw, whats the expected panel life on these things? I just noticed, I have racked up 3345 Hours since 03/05/07 . I think it spending some time in my college apartment may be to blame.

Before I got my PS3 I had a Xbox 360. I was having the green shimmer issue with 1080p so I adjusted the HDMI delay to 0x70. Green shimmer issue gone. Go a year later and I got a PS3 and I am getting a shimmer issue on the dashboard after watch a blu ray at 24Hz. I turned off 24Hz and I was getting more shimmer issues. I turned 24Hz back on and am still getting the issue on the dashboard. I decided to go into the service menu. I adjusted the HDMI delay back to 0x75 and now I cannot reproduce the shimmer issue on the dashboard.
post #4253 of 4601
Thanks for the reply and your experience.

Actually, I tried three times as well - it didn't "take" the first two times, and then on the third it behaved as though it did "take" and rebooted the TV. I can't flash again since the TV does not turn on at all and so I cannot access the flash menu.

Will look for another board and hope that the calibration parameters in it (if not faulty) will work with my set.

Thanks again,

Cleber

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Originally Posted by dsidney View Post

Cleber,

I would try to do the firmware process again, maybe the TV will take it this time, follow the instructions of Stew here on this thread by the T).

You can use the same memory stick as long it is formated in fat or fat16, or try with another stick.

I remember some people here, reporting that the firmware didn't took at the first time then after several attemptives it worked (not quite the same of your situation though).

But it is worth to give it a try again. I did tree firmware upgrades on my TV, with tree diferent firmwares releases, up to the last one, using a cheap stick (128 mbytes), all worked fine. The last firmware was made with my second mainboard (that came with one of the earliest's firmware of this TV series, I think it was 1003 or 1005).

You can exchange the board yourself, I did it on mine, it is very ease, you just have be carefull with the conectors (they are very fragile).

You can find a refurbished board very ease, but as for quality I don't now, but it worth a try, if doesn't work properly you send it back (just read the fine prints of the online vendors before yoou purchase it).

If the other "new" mainboard that you isntall was not damaged when taken from the original TV, it work imediately without the need of calibration. It will work with factory parameters (at least mine did). Again, if it is not damaged in any way.

Mine worked ok and took the firmware upgrade, but then after only then months it started failling intermitently. Still work sometimes, even then image is crappy.

Samsung TVs are great when they work, but their quality control is horrible.
For me, no more Samsung products, I'm done with then.
post #4254 of 4601
I actually have a 4695, not 4095. Sorry for the typo. Am getting the service manuals and will look in there if there is any hope for the current board.
post #4255 of 4601
Hi all,

I have the 4096 and did the FW update successfully, according to the FW gui, but nothing appears to have changed.

How do I know it worked?

Apologies for my ignorance, I followed the "how to check your system afterwards" directions, but it was inconclusive.
post #4256 of 4601
I think in the instructions it shows you how to check, its a system info part of the setup menu, somewhere at the bottom, other way would be to check your aspect ratio and see if the " Just Scan" mode is shown.
post #4257 of 4601
This might be nothing - but my TV has what appears to be the lastest main board - BN94-01040D. There is a button (switch) on that board - when pressed and held, it appears to "reboot" the flash drive (light on the drive goes off and on). I was hoping it was some sort of "service flash" button, but unfortunately it doesn't seem to work.

I have tried a flash drive (2 GB) formatted in FAT and FAT32. Does anyone know if these boards are choosy as far as what USB flash drive is connected? The drive that appears to have caused the problem (32 Mb) didn't work just as before - after taking it out of the TV, the computer says it isn't formatted.

Thanks,

Cleber
post #4258 of 4601
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Originally Posted by Bargain_Brett View Post

Hi all,

I have the 4096 and did the FW update successfully, according to the FW gui, but nothing appears to have changed.

How do I know it worked?

Apologies for my ignorance, I followed the "how to check your system afterwards" directions, but it was inconclusive.


You should look at the 4 digit number starting with 10xx and see if it is the same number as the new firmware. If not, it didn't "take".

If it didn't work, take the flash drive back to the computer and check if the computer can read it. It looks like the problem in my case was that the TV and the flash drive didn't "like" each other and the drive appeared to be unformatted to the computer after trying the flash procedure. If this happens to you, do *not* try to flash again with the same drive or you may "brick" the TV.

According to what I have read here, however, what happened in my case is very rare - and I have the 4695 in any case.
post #4259 of 4601
There is a "service port" on the main board that looks like a 3.5mm connection. Other Samsung TVs have similar ports which can be used with a special RS232 to 3.5mm cable (I have the specs, very easy to build) to flash the board (that must be how they do it at the factory). I searched this thread for RS232 and found nothing. Does anyone knows if connecting a RS232 cable to these TVs have ever been done, and if so, what software was used?

Many thanks!
post #4260 of 4601
Upgraded the FW again, and it worked. Thanks!

Question, do I leave it on "Justscan" all the time or do I change this dependant on what I'm watching? I have HD cable and a PS3 (for movies and games)

Also, I believe this is an known issue, when I watch my PVR (1080i device) with Justscan I have a green bar on the right hand side.

Thanks for your help!

Brett.
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