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post #3361 of 3691
8/20/12 at 12:58pm
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Originally Posted by sdurani View Post

The Primus line has been discontinued?

I looked, and can't find anything saying it was discontinued. Maybe it's just not shipping to Germany anymore.
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post #3362 of 3691
8/21/12 at 12:11am
Hi, thanks for replying!

I thought they had discontinued it... but I can clearly see how they haven't. In US site you can buy everything! In Europe we can't buy anything, other than audio gear or the Outrigger outdoor speaker.. great. Seems like the european market isn't that interesting..

As for getting a primus bookshelf, that's impossible too. And there are 2 reasons: they are not available anymore + I wouldn't be able to place it in a suitable position... I can't rise the TV as much as to place a vertical bookshelf, and placing it above the tv is a no go too.

Seems like I'll better forget about the center speaker..
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post #3363 of 3691
8/21/12 at 4:51pm
A center speaker that isn't a perfect match is still better than no center speaker at all.
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post #3364 of 3691
8/21/12 at 5:46pm
that depends on the size of the room and where the listener in sitting. sometime running a phantom center works very well.
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post #3365 of 3691
8/21/12 at 7:02pm
I don't know if I would say "very well." Maybe tolerable or satisfactory.

I agree the size and position are considerations. So is how much the listener cares about good sound and clear dialog.
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post #3366 of 3691
8/21/12 at 11:56pm
Hi,

phantom speaker? Is this any special configuration or simply don't put the center speaker and stay at 2.0 as I am now?

About positioning... my tv setup is the following:



The TV is 46", sitting on top of 2 Ikea Besta with a total lenght of 2,4m (~94,5 inches), with the Primus placed as seen. Distance to the sofa, when we watch TV is about 3meters.

For the center, I'm thinking of buying the JBL EC25 for 76€ and hope it quite matches the infinity. The Primus uses a 130 mm mid-woofer and 19 mm tweeter, while the JBL uses 2x130 and a 19mm too (same as the Primus C251).

Another option is the ES25c, but this one has the supertweeter, and I'm afraid it could sound quite a bit different. The question is wether I'll notice the difference or not.. that's another story biggrin.gif
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post #3367 of 3691
8/22/12 at 10:42am
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Originally Posted by PatrickVogeli View Post

Hi,
phantom speaker? Is this any special configuration or simply don't put the center speaker and stay at 2.0 as I am now?
About positioning... my tv setup is the following:

The TV is 46", sitting on top of 2 Ikea Besta with a total lenght of 2,4m (~94,5 inches), with the Primus placed as seen. Distance to the sofa, when we watch TV is about 3meters.
For the center, I'm thinking of buying the JBL EC25 for 76€ and hope it quite matches the infinity. The Primus uses a 130 mm mid-woofer and 19 mm tweeter, while the JBL uses 2x130 and a 19mm too (same as the Primus C251).
Another option is the ES25c, but this one has the supertweeter, and I'm afraid it could sound quite a bit different. The question is wether I'll notice the difference or not.. that's another story biggrin.gif

What kind of AVR do you have? You said it's a Sony, but which model?

If it's a modern 5+ channel AVR, then you should be able to go into the setup menu and enter your speaker configuration (which speakers you have and do not have installed, distance from listening position, etc.) or run auto room EQ (where the AVR emits test tones into a microphone you place in the listening position and automatically determines the speaker configuration). Either automatically or manually though, the Sony will provide a phantom center channel.

The main problems with not having a dedicated center speaker are inferior off-axis response and the inability to adjust the volume/tone of the center image. With a dedicated center speaker, it can be calibrated to match your front left and right speakers, even if it's another make/design.

The Primus 150 is a very decent budget speaker, but I think an inexpensive center speaker from another brand that is well designed will serve you just fine. I would definitely consider a JBL or Polk Audio center speaker as a viable solution. That, or find a Primus speaker from a North American seller who will ship internationally.
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post #3368 of 3691
8/22/12 at 11:29am
the primus line hasnt been discontinuued to my knowledge. only the 150/160 has been discontinued and replaced with the identical sounding p153/163 and so on. the only difference is the front is black. so if you want to get a center channel speaker. get the primus 250 or 351 i think. whatever says it has mmd tech.it all sounds the same. infinity hasnt designed a new driver in forever.
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post #3369 of 3691
8/22/12 at 11:57am
Another option would be to sell the Primus speakers you bought (or move them to a bedroom, etc), and find a quality speaker line that can be purchased locally or shipped inexpensively. What if you want to eventually move the 150's to the surround position and get new fronts? At that point, you could potentially be adding a third speaker line into the mix.

At a minimum, if you do go out and buy a different branded center, make sure you like the other speakers of the same make and model. That way, in the future, you can always move the 150s to surround duty or another room, and add two L/R speakers that will nicely match your center.
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post #3370 of 3691
8/23/12 at 2:36am
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

What kind of AVR do you have? You said it's a Sony, but which model?
If it's a modern 5+ channel AVR, then you should be able to go into the setup menu and enter your speaker configuration (which speakers you have and do not have installed, distance from listening position, etc.) or run auto room EQ (where the AVR emits test tones into a microphone you place in the listening position and automatically determines the speaker configuration). Either automatically or manually though, the Sony will provide a phantom center channel.
The main problems with not having a dedicated center speaker are inferior off-axis response and the inability to adjust the volume/tone of the center image. With a dedicated center speaker, it can be calibrated to match your front left and right speakers, even if it's another make/design.
The Primus 150 is a very decent budget speaker, but I think an inexpensive center speaker from another brand that is well designed will serve you just fine. I would definitely consider a JBL or Polk Audio center speaker as a viable solution. That, or find a Primus speaker from a North American seller who will ship internationally.

It's a Sony STR-DH700, a 7.1 7x100W AVR. It has and automatic EQ function, yes.

Finding a North American seller who ships internationally.. that would a solution, but too expensive, as the shiping costs would be quite high (in Amazon I've located 2 sellers that would ship it internationally, both charge over $70 for shiping) and, possibly, custom fees. At the end I'd get the Primus C251 for well over $200, which is definetely too much for that speaker.

You say a JBL or a Polk could be a good solution. May I ask why a Polk?

The other suggested solution (from guns&motorcycles) about selling the Primus and getting the full front stage could be a solution, but here in Europe we don't get as good deals as you in the USA and changing the whole front stage with better speakers would come to a price which, right now, I'm not willing to pay.

I think I'll just get the JBL EC25 and try it. If I like it, I'll keep it, if not I'll return it and forget about the center speaker until I can by a clearly better front stage complete with the center.

Thanks for your help!
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post #3371 of 3691
8/23/12 at 7:18pm
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Originally Posted by PatrickVogeli View Post

You say a JBL or a Polk could be a good solution. May I ask why a Polk?!

It looks like your Sony will take care of the phantom center automatically if you choose to go this route. It will also calibrate all of your speakers (including a different brand center) to be closer in EQ with each other.

Polk, like JBL, is a large company with lots of R&D and many speakers ranging from very high end to entry-level. I think buying a speaker from a company like this simply raises the odds of getting a certain amount of quality for your money, and when it's time to upgrade, you can move up the line and still ensure a certain "family resemblance."
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post #3372 of 3691
8/26/12 at 4:27pm
I ordered the Primus P363 and the PC351 with Denon's AVR-2312CI. I hope to be more than ok with that combination. I didn't know the Primus were in fact 4 ohms. I was considering to buy the P163 for surround but now am considering dipoles.
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post #3373 of 3691
8/27/12 at 10:03am
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Originally Posted by JOMV View Post

I ordered the Primus P363 and the PC351 with Denon's AVR-2312CI. I hope to be more than ok with that combination. I didn't know the Primus were in fact 4 ohms. I was considering to buy the P163 for surround but now am considering dipoles.

The primus 363 dips to 4 ohms briefly in the midbass region (maybe a little cause for concern) and later in the treble (not a matter for concern, since these frequencies are easier to drive). On the other hand, it's a moderately efficient speaker, so hta amount of power it draws isn't huge, assuming you're playing them at sane levels.

In short, try them with your receiver and see if they work fine. If there are any issues with the receiver going into protect mode or running overly hot, you'll know fairly soon. There are hardly any receivers out there nowadays with decent amplifier sections, so you're not alone, Post back with your observations.

For what it's worth, I run my primus 363 with a stereo receiver (NAD C720BEE), and as much as I generally hate NAD products, this receiver actually has synergy with this pair of infinity speakers and doesn't have any issues driving it.
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post #3374 of 3691
9/5/12 at 1:29pm
This question does not have to do with Infinity speakers (it should probably be asked in subs, but I'm sick of starting new threads for my little questions), but I just had a horrible time trying to get answers from the Infinity call center...

Anyway, I'm looking at the Infinity Primus PS312 (sub) and want to know three things:
1. What is the max volume in decibels?
2. What is the amplifier type inside the sub?
3. Does the sub have gold-plated terminals?

If this is the inappropriate place to ask these questions, I'll take them over to the subwoofer section, but the PS312 threads are pretty old and inactive.

Thanks!
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post #3375 of 3691
9/6/12 at 4:43pm
Guys, I was just about to buy another set of the primus p363 and Crutchfield inflated their price from $199 to $329 for each of the towers and the center from $199 to $279.... What happened!!!! Does anyone know why such a large difference???
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post #3376 of 3691
9/7/12 at 2:40pm
The prices seem to fluctuate a lot. I bet they will drop back down soon.

Do you have a Fry's near by? They've had the 363 for $99 on and off for a couple of months.
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post #3377 of 3691
9/8/12 at 11:44am
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Guys, I was just about to buy another set of the primus p363 and Crutchfield inflated their price from $199 to $329 for each of the towers and the center from $199 to $279.... What happened!!!! Does anyone know why such a large difference???

Amazon has them for $199 each
http://www.amazon.com/Infinity-Primus-P363-Three-way-Floorstanding/dp/B0046A8R3M/ref=pd_bxgy_e_img_z

http://www.amazon.com/Infinity-Primus-PC351-Three-way-Center-Channel/dp/B0044D1788/ref=pd_bxgy_e_img_y
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post #3378 of 3691
9/8/12 at 3:26pm
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Originally Posted by guns&motorcycles View Post

The prices seem to fluctuate a lot. I bet they will drop back down soon.
Do you have a Fry's near by? They've had the 363 for $99 on and off for a couple of months.

I live in Puerto Rico. There is not many speakers stores here. And the ones we have want to rip our pockets. We really don't have many options. And Crutchfield is the only one that ships for free. mad.gif
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post #3379 of 3691
9/8/12 at 4:35pm
Are you sure Crutchfield ships for free tp Puerto Rico? I would be surprised if they did.
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post #3380 of 3691
9/8/12 at 5:00pm
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Originally Posted by shadyJ View Post

Are you sure Crutchfield ships for free tp Puerto Rico? I would be surprised if they did.

Yup, I just received a set of the Primus towers, center and a Denon AVR-2312CI receiver.
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post #3381 of 3691
9/8/12 at 5:30pm
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Originally Posted by JOMV View Post

I live in Puerto Rico. There is not many speakers stores here. And the ones we have want to rip our pockets. We really don't have many options. And Crutchfield is the only one that ships for free. mad.gif

Why don't you put Puerto Rico in your location profile? That way we wont give you links to vendors that don't ship there.

Click on My Profile at the top of the page and enter Puerto Rico in the location field. It's that easy!
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post #3382 of 3691
9/8/12 at 6:52pm
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

Why don't you put Puerto Rico in your location profile? That way we wont give you links to vendors that don't ship there.
Click on My Profile at the top of the page and enter Puerto Rico in the location field. It's that easy!

Good idea! Thanks biggrin.gif
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post #3383 of 3691
9/8/12 at 8:21pm
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Originally Posted by JOMV View Post

Yup, I just received a set of the Primus towers, center and a Denon AVR-2312CI receiver.

Hi JOMV, doesn't hurt to ask but see if they will price match with Amazon or give you a price break since you already brought from them.
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post #3384 of 3691
9/8/12 at 10:11pm
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Originally Posted by JChin View Post

Hi JOMV, doesn't hurt to ask but see if they will price match with Amazon or give you a price break since you already brought from them.

That is what I was thinking. Thanks for the suggestion. I'm also looking at the EMP e55ti and center. But those ones will pay shipping on the EMP Tek site. That's the bad part of living in PR. We don't have many choices for speakers. mad.gif

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But, do you know what is the best option we have here in PR??? ...... We have the best beach babes!!!. But that's another thread!!! biggrin.gif
Edited by JOMV - 9/8/12 at 10:18pm
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post #3385 of 3691
10/1/12 at 6:47am
Hi all, FY, Amazon has the PC351 center for $179.33.
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post #3386 of 3691
10/4/12 at 12:30pm
Thanks to cacophonix's post the PC351 is cheaper at Electronic Expo $107.48 + shipping using discount code " dealsofamerica ".

Code work with other Infinity speakers as well as other brand speaker. Just try it on a denon receiver and it work.
Edited by JChin - 10/4/12 at 12:46pm
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post #3387 of 3691
10/4/12 at 6:06pm
I am dying to buy 5 of those 163's for $85 a pop right now. I'm just worried about that metal tweeter being a little harsh as I'd be buying them with no demo. I don't know if it's my room, the speakers I've owned, or my ears, but I always tend to get listener fatigue pretty quickly. That's why I'm half-leaning to a silk tweeter.

But I like Infinity's track record and their design looks solid.

Anyone find these harsh with brass instruments, cymbals, etc.?
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post #3388 of 3691
10/4/12 at 6:46pm
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Originally Posted by DLO View Post

I'm just worried about that metal tweeter being a little harsh as I'd be buying them with no demo.
Can't you turn down the treble on your receiver or pre-pro? That's what I do when speakers sound too bright.
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Originally Posted by DLO View Post

I don't know if it's my room, the speakers I've owned, or my ears, but I always tend to get listener fatigue pretty quickly.
This has happened with other speakers?
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post #3389 of 3691
10/5/12 at 2:48am
So the Primus p363 has some pretty low impedance dips that could present a problem to budget receivers. But I know a lot of us are actually running these things on lower end AVRs, so has anyone had a problem? Have you cranked these speakers and they threw your receiver into shutdown? Please let me know if you have ever had an abrupt shutdown while cranking the Primus p360/362/363 speakers. I am not using the highest end AVR (Onkyo Tx-sr707), but so far I have not had any problems even when blasting the speakers.
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post #3390 of 3691
10/6/12 at 6:34am
Hi, Guys.
I recently bought a Infinity PS312.

How much crossover should I leave behind the sub and the receiver?

ANd behind the sub, in PHASE Im set 0 or 180 ?
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