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post #3661 of 3898
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Originally Posted by petaylor View Post

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Originally Posted by RPGMasta View Post

The P363s have 3dB higher sensitivity, handle more power, rated at 7Hz lower and have bigger (6.5") drivers (per both product sheets). at the Fry's sale price of $234/pr, they are tremendous. i would consider them an upgrade, the end user must determine if the $50-$100 difference is worth it.
I'm not seeing the $234/pr price on the Frys.com webpage. Is this only available at their stores?

Check Amazon. When I ordered my P363s it only took a few days for them to be delivered.
post #3662 of 3898
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Originally Posted by BTTOG View Post

HI, guys,

When I saw the Fry's is keeping on sale the P363, I am think to replace my current Pioneer SP-FS51.

I think Amazon may have something for you.

However, the comparison between the P363 and the SP-FS51 is not exactly a slam dunk, but there are significant differences.

The P363s are somewhat larger and taller towers that weigh almost twice as much.

The P363s have 2 larger 6 1/2 woofers as opposed to 2 smaller 5 1/4 ones, and a dedicated smaller midrange which may mean that it is better optimized for its role.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/ephox/StaticFiles/PUSA/Files/SP-BS21-LR_SP-C21_SP-FS51-LR%20Owners%20Manual.pdf
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My question is if my Denon 1612 is good enough for the P363? or I have to change the receiver together?

Shouldn't be a problem. FWIW I drive my P363s with a Yamaha RX-v371
post #3663 of 3898
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Originally Posted by sdrm View Post

What would you consider high end speakers. I have had the polk Tsi and found infinities way better.

What do "high end" speakers have to do with this discussion?

So called "high end" or high priced doesnt guarantee better performance.

As I've said many times, The Infinity Primus is a well engineered speaker. It was thoughtfully designed by engineers with the full resources of Harman Int. to perform well at a budget price. It has it's limitations due to cost conststraints, but within its limits, it is very good.

Ive never heard the Polks so I cannot comment on your anecdotal experience with them.
post #3664 of 3898
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Originally Posted by arnyk View Post

Check Amazon. When I ordered my P363s it only took a few days for them to be delivered.

I'm still not seeing $234/pr on any site. Amazon and Crutchfiled have them for $199/ea. Frys has it a $329.99/ea. It's be a while, since Crutchfield had them at $119/ea. I'm hoping they'll do that, again.

http://www.amazon.com/Infinity-Primus-P363-Three-way-Floorstanding/dp/B0046A8R3M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1368195175&sr=8-1&keywords=infinity+primus+p363
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_108P363BK/Infinity-Primus-P363.html
http://www.frys.com/product/6878376?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
post #3665 of 3898
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

What do "high end" speakers have to do with this discussion?

So called "high end" or high priced doesnt guarantee better performance.

As I've said many times, The Infinity Primus is a well engineered speaker. It was thoughtfully designed by engineers with the full resources of Harman Int. to perform well at a budget price. It has it's limitations due to cost conststraints, but within its limits, it is very good.

Ive never heard the Polks so I cannot comment on your anecdotal experience with them.

I was commenting on the fact that you say they are "entry level" but in fact they can beat many high end speakers worth twice or thrice the money just because of my personal experience including polks and other brands. But then again sound is subjective to each one of us. I think you to took it the other way around but since you mentioned they are entry level I was asking which ones would you consider high end when comparing them to infinity.
post #3666 of 3898
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Originally Posted by petaylor View Post

I'm still not seeing $234/pr on any site. Amazon and Crutchfiled have them for $199/ea. Frys has it a $329.99/ea. It's be a while, since Crutchfield had them at $119/ea. I'm hoping they'll do that, again.

http://www.amazon.com/Infinity-Primus-P363-Three-way-Floorstanding/dp/B0046A8R3M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1368195175&sr=8-1&keywords=infinity+primus+p363
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_108P363BK/Infinity-Primus-P363.html
http://www.frys.com/product/6878376?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

The prices were valid apparently only till yesterday at frys and they changed there add for friday. I was planning on getting them today too and saw the price change. Hopefully they will come back.
post #3667 of 3898
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Originally Posted by sdrm View Post

I was commenting on the fact that you say they are "entry level" but in fact they can beat many high end speakers worth twice or thrice the money just because of my personal experience including polks and other brands. But then again sound is subjective to each one of us. I think you to took it the other way around but since you mentioned they are entry level I was asking which ones would you consider high end when comparing them to infinity.

I used the term "entry-level" to describe their price point, build quality, and general position in the market. Performance also comes into play, but there will always be overlap from tier to tier.

For example, a $26,000 Subaru WRX posts better performance figures than a $40,000 BMW 328i, but that doesn't mean the Subaru is a "luxury sport sedan."
post #3668 of 3898
The Fry's price I referenced is a common and frequent sale price. I did not mean to imply it was a current sale. It might be in store only, I haven't seen the fine print in awhile.
post #3669 of 3898
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Originally Posted by sdrm View Post

The prices were valid apparently only till yesterday at frys and they changed there add for friday. I was planning on getting them today too and saw the price change. Hopefully they will come back.

Fry's sales begin on Friday and end on the following Thursday so the P363 ended yesterday. They have those speakers on sale almost every other week so just wait for the next sale. Usually they are "in store only" so don't expect them to be available online. Rarely they do have them online for a discount but more often than not it is an in store sale.
post #3670 of 3898
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

Fry's sales begin on Friday and end on the following Thursday so the P363 ended yesterday. They have those speakers on sale almost every other week so just wait for the next sale. Usually they are "in store only" so don't expect them to be available online. Rarely they do have them online for a discount but more often than not it is an in store sale.

Yep, I've seen them sell at a price lower than Crutchfield one time before. I don't have a Frys or Crutchfield (there's a store in Charlottesville, VA) here in NC, so it's their online presence that gets me access. One just has to be patient and keep checking. Right now, Crutchfield is in play, but they have had better prices, before.
post #3671 of 3898
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Originally Posted by arnyk View Post

I think Amazon may have something for you.

However, the comparison between the P363 and the SP-FS51 is not exactly a slam dunk, but there are significant differences.

The P363s are somewhat larger and taller towers that weigh almost twice as much.

The P363s have 2 larger 6 1/2 woofers as opposed to 2 smaller 5 1/4 ones, and a dedicated smaller midrange which may mean that it is better optimized for its role.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/ephox/StaticFiles/PUSA/Files/SP-BS21-LR_SP-C21_SP-FS51-LR%20Owners%20Manual.pdf
Shouldn't be a problem. FWIW I drive my P363s with a Yamaha RX-v371


Thank you guys.

I just feel when I play some symphonic music the SP-FS51lost some detail and not so clear.

Is this the speak problem or the receiver problem?

If I want some obvious improvement, is there any suggestion?
post #3672 of 3898
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

I used the term "entry-level" to describe their price point, build quality, and general position in the market. Performance also comes into play, but there will always be overlap from tier to tier.

For example, a $26,000 Subaru WRX posts better performance figures than a $40,000 BMW 328i, but that doesn't mean the Subaru is a "luxury sport sedan."

Wouldn't Ferrari be better? I prefer performance over price anytime with all else equal. biggrin.gif Chill man didnt mean to upset you.
Edited by sdrm - 5/10/13 at 5:25pm
post #3673 of 3898
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

Fry's sales begin on Friday and end on the following Thursday so the P363 ended yesterday. They have those speakers on sale almost every other week so just wait for the next sale. Usually they are "in store only" so don't expect them to be available online. Rarely they do have them online for a discount but more often than not it is an in store sale.

You are absolutely right. I called them too and they said it ended yesterday. Have to play the waiting game again tongue.gif. Thanks all.
post #3674 of 3898
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Originally Posted by BTTOG View Post

Thank you guys.

I just feel when I play some symphonic music the SP-FS51lost some detail and not so clear.

Is this the speak problem or the receiver problem?

If I want some obvious improvement, is there any suggestion?

What receiver are you using? Did you run audyssey to see if it helps. When I play music I also disable the dynamic volume/ equalizer to off in denon.
post #3675 of 3898
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Originally Posted by sdrm View Post

What receiver are you using? Did you run audyssey to see if it helps. When I play music I also disable the dynamic volume/ equalizer to off in denon.

I use the Denon 1612, Ok, I will try the Audyssey again.

Is there any way to easy close the equalizer without open TV?
post #3676 of 3898
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Originally Posted by sdrm View Post

Wouldn't Ferrari be better? I prefer performance over price anytime with all else equal. biggrin.gif Chill man didnt mean to upset you.

That's OK, I dont get upset over discussions about audio equipment - well, at least not entry-level equipment wink.gif
Edited by palmfish - 5/10/13 at 5:58pm
post #3677 of 3898
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Originally Posted by petaylor View Post

Yep, I've seen them sell at a price lower than Crutchfield one time before. I don't have a Frys or Crutchfield (there's a store in Charlottesville, VA) here in NC, so it's their online presence that gets me access. One just has to be patient and keep checking. Right now, Crutchfield is in play, but they have had better prices, before.

I know at least once the sale price was also online AND it included free shipping. Just be patient and hopefully that will come back again.
post #3678 of 3898
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Originally Posted by BTTOG View Post

I use the Denon 1612, Ok, I will try the Audyssey again.

Is there any way to easy close the equalizer without open TV?

Not sure about that. I always use dynamic on and set to light for movies and turn it off from the gui for music. But I will check and if I find something will let you know since I do not have that option on my denon 2113 remote at least. You can also try the different music modes and see if that helps.
post #3679 of 3898
With P363 and PC351(no subwoofer yet), would you set the speaker as large or small? Would they be able if set to large?

Thanks!
post #3680 of 3898
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Originally Posted by millil View Post

With P363 and PC351(no subwoofer yet), would you set the speaker as large or small? Would they be able if set to large?

Thanks!

With no subwoofer you should set all of your speakers to large.

Your low frequency response will really depend on your room, speaker placement, etc.
post #3681 of 3898
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Originally Posted by BTTOG View Post

I use the Denon 1612, Ok, I will try the Audyssey again.

Is there any way to easy close the equalizer without open TV?

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Originally Posted by sdrm View Post

Not sure about that. I always use dynamic on and set to light for movies and turn it off from the gui for music.

Hi BTTOG and sdrm, on Denon models Audyssey, Dyn EQ and Dyn Vol can be set and memorized per input. So if music is from one component source (like a CD/MP3 player) you can set EQ to off and not impact other input source (like a bluray player).
post #3682 of 3898
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Originally Posted by JChin View Post


Hi BTTOG and sdrm, on Denon models Audyssey, Dyn EQ and Dyn Vol can be set and memorized per input. So if music is from one component source (like a CD/MP3 player) you can set EQ to off and not impact other input source (like a bluray player).

Thanks forgot about that..smile.gif. Do you see extra sound mode options in denon if you have a 5.1 vs a 7.1 setup?
post #3683 of 3898
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Originally Posted by BTTOG View Post

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Originally Posted by arnyk View Post

I think Amazon may have something for you.

However, the comparison between the P363 and the SP-FS51 is not exactly a slam dunk, but there are significant differences.

The P363s are somewhat larger and taller towers that weigh almost twice as much.

The P363s have 2 larger 6 1/2 woofers as opposed to 2 smaller 5 1/4 ones, and a dedicated smaller midrange which may mean that it is better optimized for its role.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/ephox/StaticFiles/PUSA/Files/SP-BS21-LR_SP-C21_SP-FS51-LR%20Owners%20Manual.pdf
Shouldn't be a problem. FWIW I drive my P363s with a Yamaha RX-v371


Thank you guys.

I just feel when I play some symphonic music the SP-FS51lost some detail and not so clear.

Is this the speak problem or the receiver problem?

If I want some obvious improvement, is there any suggestion?

If you don't already have a very good subwoofer, that is a good way to go.

If you do, then its time to start looking at room acoustics and the finer points of setup.
post #3684 of 3898
The amp in my PS210 died. Im thinking about replacing it with this one: http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=301-508

Is this a good replacement? I want to use the original enclosure for the sub by modifying the back panel for the new amplifier cutout.
post #3685 of 3898
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

With no subwoofer you should set all of your speakers to large.

Your low frequency response will really depend on your room, speaker placement, etc.

The reason I asked is the receiver shows a warning message to make sure the speaker can handle low frequency when set to large otherwise it would damage them.
post #3686 of 3898
I am not sure if it matters but it shows the amp to be 4 ohm so you might need to see if you receiver can handle the 4 ohms part. But look for better advice as I dont have much info on this.
post #3687 of 3898
FYI. The Primus is on sale again at Fry's this weekend.
post #3688 of 3898
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Originally Posted by allargon View Post

FYI. The Primus is on sale again at Fry's this weekend.

I think is in-store only. I don't know if by calling they will honor the price and ship it.

I need some suggestions from you guys. As I am very new to the audio world and trying to buy good speakers, I have having a lot of issue deciding.

I have read a lot and the P363 gets great reviews and comes highly recommended, but they look cheap. I cannot listen to these speakers as there is no Fry or other dealer who carry them.
However, I have listened to some mid range speakers (price wise)
B&W 683 - I thought these would be great by sounded closed
Martin logan 40 - these sounded thin
B&W CM9 - these sounded great, much more open and wide soundstage
Paradigm monitor 7 - ok
PSB T6 - ok
PSB imagine T - sounded good
Focal Chorus new 726 - sounded the best among all (considering price compared to CM9)

Now, when I listened to Focal 726 for movie, maybe it was the scene, but I felt that it did not do much and it could be done with some cheaper speaker as well. maybe the sub was not good enough etc.

So I keep thinking if I should get the primus p363 and get the matching center, and add a good sub and be done or should I get the focals. How much of a better sound will I get compared to the p363.

I also have to listen to Klipsch RF62ii
post #3689 of 3898
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Originally Posted by allargon View Post

FYI. The Primus is on sale again at Fry's this weekend.

Thanks. Picked up a pair today. I still need to run audyssey and set them up again.
The interesting thing is that its ironic to see salesmen who have no knowledge at all working with audio equipment. So I go to the demo room and requested the guy to test the infinity p363 which were on display. The klipsch were selling for 348/ piece and were playing some music which sounded nice. The infinities were hooked to another receiver with no inputs, so this guy connects his iphone and puts some movie on. Obviously they did not sound as great as they were connected to some crappy receiver and then goes on to say that infinity speakers are the worst ever and no wonder they are selling for 108/ piece. I had to give him a long explanation and explain him why they are sounding the way they are right now. He was still not convinced and continued with his criticism and in the end I just walked away. It is amazing how people having no knowledge about speakers work in audio departments.
Edited by sdrm - 5/18/13 at 12:21am
post #3690 of 3898
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Originally Posted by sdrm View Post

Thanks. Picked up a pair today. I still need to run audyssey and set them up again.
The interesting thing is that its ironic to see salesmen who have no knowledge at all working with audio equipment. So I go to the demo room and requested the guy to test the infinity p363 which were on display. The klipsch were selling for 348/ piece and were playing some music which sounded nice. The infinities were hooked to another receiver with no inputs, so this guy connects his iphone and puts some movie on. Obviously they did not sound as great as they were connected to some crappy receiver and then goes on to say that infinity speakers are the worst ever and no wonder they are selling for 108/ piece. I had to give him a long explanation and explain him why they are sounding the way they are right now. He was still not convinced and continued with his criticism and in the end I just walked away. It is amazing how people having no knowledge about speakers work in audio departments.

Let us know your initial impressions. I am also considering them and since there is no way for me to listen to them, I have to rely on owners feedback
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