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post #3691 of 3900
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Originally Posted by sdrm View Post

Thanks. Picked up a pair today. I still need to run audyssey and set them up again.
The interesting thing is that its ironic to see salesmen who have no knowledge at all working with audio equipment. So I go to the demo room and requested the guy to test the infinity p363 which were on display. The klipsch were selling for 348/ piece and were playing some music which sounded nice. The infinities were hooked to another receiver with no inputs, so this guy connects his iphone and puts some movie on. Obviously they did not sound as great as they were connected to some crappy receiver and then goes on to say that infinity speakers are the worst ever and no wonder they are selling for 108/ piece. I had to give him a long explanation and explain him why they are sounding the way they are right now. He was still not convinced and continued with his criticism and in the end I just walked away. It is amazing how people having no knowledge about speakers work in audio departments.

when i bought my 363s last year, they had no working display. the salesperson also pushed Klipsch very hard to me, RF42 I believe.. i hear they work solely on commision, so i can only speculate that they are trying to get the bigger sale.

When I bought my receiver, i felt the associate working with me was very helpful, but it was also at a different Fry's location.
post #3692 of 3900
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Originally Posted by sid369 View Post

Let us know your initial impressions. I am also considering them and since there is no way for me to listen to them, I have to rely on owners feedback
Surely, still trying to set them up. As of now I feel they are a little base shy but have to play around with the crossovers since denon keeps setting them as full range. Overall the speakers have a good sound-stage and highs/ mids. Will get back once I get them properly setup. Any recommendations from experienced members..
post #3693 of 3900
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Originally Posted by RPGMasta View Post

when i bought my 363s last year, they had no working display. the salesperson also pushed Klipsch very hard to me, RF42 I believe.. i hear they work solely on commision, so i can only speculate that they are trying to get the bigger sale.

When I bought my receiver, i felt the associate working with me was very helpful, but it was also at a different Fry's location.

Yeah I guess they were trying to push Klipsch but then I already knew which one I am going to take anyways biggrin.gif.
post #3694 of 3900
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Originally Posted by sdrm View Post

Surely, still trying to set them up. As of now I feel they are a little base shy but have to play around with the crossovers since denon keeps setting them as full range. Overall the speakers have a good sound-stage and highs/ mids. Will get back once I get them properly setup. Any recommendations from experienced members..

You need a sub or two. And ones that should easily outperform the woofers in the P363s.
post #3695 of 3900
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Originally Posted by sdrm View Post

Surely, still trying to set them up. As of now I feel they are a little base shy but have to play around with the crossovers since denon keeps setting them as full range. Overall the speakers have a good sound-stage and highs/ mids. Will get back once I get them properly setup. Any recommendations from experienced members..

If you don't have a subwoofer, then you should run them as full range.

Bass is extremely room dependant. More so than any other frequency. Have you tried placing them closer to a wall or corner to beef up the mid-bass?
post #3696 of 3900
Yeah I do have a sub. So should I just change the large fronts to small and crossover at 80. My surrounds are crossed at 40 by default.
post #3697 of 3900
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Originally Posted by sdrm View Post

Yeah I do have a sub. So should I just change the large fronts to small and crossover at 80. My surrounds are crossed at 40 by default.

Speaker placement for bass isnt going to be as important since you have a sub. I would set all of your speakers (front, center, and surround) to "small" and cross them all over to the sub at 80 Hz.
post #3698 of 3900
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Originally Posted by sdrm View Post

Yeah I do have a sub. So should I just change the large fronts to small and crossover at 80. My surrounds are crossed at 40 by default.

If you have sub, as palmfish posted set them to small and set your crossover that best accommodate your listening environment and taste.

Here are my readings after Audyssey auto set and my changes:

- Front P363: 40Hz -> 80Hz (try 60Hz for couple weeks, seem 80Hz integrate better with the sub)
- Center PC351: 100Hz -> 110Hz (seem no difference but wanted less bass from center)
- Surround P163: 60Hz -> 80Hz (bump for to hear more surround effects)
- Surround Back P363: 40Hz -> 60Hz (wanted little more bass from them)
post #3699 of 3900
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Originally Posted by sid369 View Post

I think is in-store only. I don't know if by calling they will honor the price and ship it.

I need some suggestions from you guys. As I am very new to the audio world and trying to buy good speakers, I have having a lot of issue deciding.

I have read a lot and the P363 gets great reviews and comes highly recommended, but they look cheap. I cannot listen to these speakers as there is no Fry or other dealer who carry them.
However, I have listened to some mid range speakers (price wise)
B&W 683 - I thought these would be great by sounded closed
Martin logan 40 - these sounded thin
B&W CM9 - these sounded great, much more open and wide soundstage
Paradigm monitor 7 - ok
PSB T6 - ok
PSB imagine T - sounded good
Focal Chorus new 726 - sounded the best among all (considering price compared to CM9)

Now, when I listened to Focal 726 for movie, maybe it was the scene, but I felt that it did not do much and it could be done with some cheaper speaker as well. maybe the sub was not good enough etc.

So I keep thinking if I should get the primus p363 and get the matching center, and add a good sub and be done or should I get the focals. How much of a better sound will I get compared to the p363.

I also have to listen to Klipsch RF62ii

Can't comment on other speakers. But I did setup the costo pioneer with P363, P351 and Bic PL-200. They sound great but again I'm no audiophile nor have experience using high-end speakers.
post #3700 of 3900
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

Speaker placement for bass isnt going to be as important since you have a sub. I would set all of your speakers (front, center, and surround) to "small" and cross them all over to the sub at 80 Hz.

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Originally Posted by JChin View Post

If you have sub, as palmfish posted set them to small and set your crossover that best accommodate your listening environment and taste.

Here are my readings after Audyssey auto set and my changes:

- Front P363: 40Hz -> 80Hz (try 60Hz for couple weeks, seem 80Hz integrate better with the sub)
- Center PC351: 100Hz -> 110Hz (seem no difference but wanted less bass from center)
- Surround P163: 60Hz -> 80Hz (bump for to hear more surround effects)
- Surround Back P363: 40Hz -> 60Hz (wanted little more bass from them)

Ok Thanks guys. I crossed all my speakers at 80 after I set them small. Will play around for a few days to see how they sound best. The p363 so far are amazing and trying to break into them as of now.
post #3701 of 3900
P363s up for sale again at the local Fry's. Pair for $216+tax with the advice to call to reserve them.
post #3702 of 3900
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Originally Posted by fookoo_2010 View Post

P363s up for sale again at the local Fry's. Pair for $216+tax with the advice to call to reserve them.

I wish that I had a Frys near me. Nobody else is anywhere close to this price. Fry's online price is $329.99 each!mad.gif
post #3703 of 3900
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Originally Posted by fookoo_2010 View Post

P363s up for sale again at the local Fry's. Pair for $216+tax with the advice to call to reserve them.

What a pity. there is no promotion in their website.
post #3704 of 3900
Sometimes the promotion will be on the website. You just have to be patient.

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post #3705 of 3900
Will my Yahama 373 receiver run the P363's fine?
post #3706 of 3900
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Originally Posted by SolidMGSnake View Post

Will my Yahama 373 receiver run the P363's fine?

It all depends upon what volume level you intend to play at. From the specs, it seems to be borderline, but it may work, at reference audio levels. Just try it and find out which is not too helpful of an answer for your inquiry.
post #3707 of 3900
k so i hooked em up and i was watching u571 on cinemax and during the scene where the depth chrgs were blowin. i noticed there was this staticy poping sounds commin from the speakers. not sure how else to describe it. but on loud scenes durin the movie, id hear it.
post #3708 of 3900
I have decided to purchace three 163's for my L/C/R. I'm going to rotate the tweeter 90 degrees in the center and lay it down. I've been stressing about this decision for a couple of months now and wasted many, many hours researching speakers trying to find a good deal on used hi-end speakers. These things are so cheap, I feel like I'm settling for a "lesser" speaker. I'm thinking that the extra money can go towards a nicer sub (already have a Cerwin Vega 12"); most likely the Klipsch RW12. I'm going to hang a pair of B&W Solid's from the ceiling for the surrounds. What do you guys think? Will this set-up be OK?
post #3709 of 3900
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Originally Posted by SolidMGSnake View Post

k so i hooked em up and i was watching u571 on cinemax and during the scene where the depth chrgs were blowin. i noticed there was this staticy poping sounds commin from the speakers. not sure how else to describe it. but on loud scenes durin the movie, id hear it.

i frequently hear this pops as well, but only when listening on cable/broadcast television, never on bluray or DVD. i blame the media, not the hardware.
post #3710 of 3900
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Originally Posted by tampa frank View Post

I have decided to purchace three 163's for my L/C/R. I'm going to rotate the tweeter 90 degrees in the center and lay it down. I've been stressing about this decision for a couple of months now and wasted many, many hours researching speakers trying to find a good deal on used hi-end speakers. These things are so cheap, I feel like I'm settling for a "lesser" speaker. I'm thinking that the extra money can go towards a nicer sub (already have a Cerwin Vega 12"); most likely the Klipsch RW12. I'm going to hang a pair of B&W Solid's from the ceiling for the surrounds. What do you guys think? Will this set-up be OK?

"OK" is in the mind, or ears in this case, of the beholder. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised since you're already seeming to be going in with a negative opinion of the 163s. I have 163s in surround, 363s up front and 351 center, so i can't totally comment how the 163s will be up front, but i suspect they'll be more than OK.

i read great things about the RW12 for the $300 Newegg often has it for, but i am partial to SVS after owning my SB12 for a couple of months. I'd look into a PB-1000. i haven't compared the two for output or extension, but i will say you probably won't be disappointed with SVS. their customer service is top notch, from pre-purchase to support.
post #3711 of 3900
For movie use only it's hard to justify spending more than Infinity Primus 163 series the improvement is minor.
There fairly good with music as well although I like other speakers better.
Edited by nothingspecial - 5/27/13 at 9:59am
post #3712 of 3900
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Originally Posted by RPGMasta View Post

"OK" is in the mind, or ears in this case, of the beholder. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised since you're already seeming to be going in with a negative opinion of the 163s. I have 163s in surround, 363s up front and 351 center, so i can't totally comment how the 163s will be up front, but i suspect they'll be more than OK.

i read great things about the RW12 for the $300 Newegg often has it for, but i am partial to SVS after owning my SB12 for a couple of months. I'd look into a PB-1000. i haven't compared the two for output or extension, but i will say you probably won't be disappointed with SVS. their customer service is top notch, from pre-purchase to support.

I guess that did come off as kind of negative. The yellow kevlar B&W drivers have me mezmorized, but I just can't justify spending the money for them. I'm not nearly as excited about the Infinities, but sometimes you have to make the smart decision over the emotional one. That's why I feel as if I am settling, but I'm sure that I will be more than pleased by them.

Newegg no longer has the RW12, so it looks like I'll have to look at alternatives. I'll take a look at the SVS's.
post #3713 of 3900
Should I set the ohm's to 6 or leave it at 8 for the P363's on the Yahama 373. Also, speakers "small" or "large"? It set it to small after calibration but just wondering.
post #3714 of 3900
As far as large or small, if you have a subwoofer then set your other speakers to Small. Probably use a crossover of 80hz. I think the Yamaha only has one set crossover for all speakers.

Regarding the 6 or 8 ohm, I've never had a receiver with those settings. Try it each way and see if it makes a difference. You wont hurt the speaker. I have a hunch the 6 ohm setting limits the receiver output more.
post #3715 of 3900
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Originally Posted by tampa frank View Post

I have decided to purchace three 163's for my L/C/R. I'm going to rotate the tweeter 90 degrees in the center and lay it down. I've been stressing about this decision for a couple of months now and wasted many, many hours researching speakers trying to find a good deal on used hi-end speakers. These things are so cheap, I feel like I'm settling for a "lesser" speaker. I'm thinking that the extra money can go towards a nicer sub (already have a Cerwin Vega 12"); most likely the Klipsch RW12. I'm going to hang a pair of B&W Solid's from the ceiling for the surrounds. What do you guys think? Will this set-up be OK?

Before I got my p363 I was using the p163 for fronts(and surrounds) and they were perfect. I dont think you would be disappointed but then that would depend on your sound preference. To me they sounded excellent given that I prefer neutral sounding speakers to get that originality in music but yes you do need a subwoofer.
post #3716 of 3900
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Originally Posted by RPGMasta View Post

i frequently hear this pops as well, but only when listening on cable/broadcast television, never on bluray or DVD. i blame the media, not the hardware.

same here. i hear that popping snapping sound on few movies on direct tv satellite dish. ones that come to mind are titanic and deep impact., never on dvd or blu ray. im using andrew jones pioneer first generation which brings up my next post.
post #3717 of 3900
i am currently using andrew jones first generation set of speakers, towers, center and surrounds. the fs51s, c21 and the bs21s.

im wondering if these p363s and 163s are an upgrade? i like the pioneers because as everybody knows they have a neutral sound, and dont fatigue.

anyhow if i can get the p363s on sale from frys is this a worthy upgrade from the pioneers? i can always sell the pioneers or give maybe give to a family member.

or if there is a thread comparing both systems id like a link to it.
post #3718 of 3900
The best way for you to compare them is buy the P363's and test them in your own home. Since you live is LA you can easily find them at Fry's. Then you have 30 days to decide if you like them or not before returning for a full refund.

No matter what comparisons others may have made, the best way to bring them home.

Sure you could go to Fry's and test them in a sound room but that wont tell you how they sound in your environment.
post #3719 of 3900
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Originally Posted by bradymartin View Post

i am currently using andrew jones first generation set of speakers, towers, center and surrounds. the fs51s, c21 and the bs21s.

im wondering if these p363s and 163s are an upgrade? i like the pioneers because as everybody knows they have a neutral sound, and dont fatigue.

anyhow if i can get the p363s on sale from frys is this a worthy upgrade from the pioneers? i can always sell the pioneers or give maybe give to a family member.

or if there is a thread comparing both systems id like a link to it.

I would suggest that you consider coming to the Los Angeles Home Theater Group meeting, sponsored by AVS, on June 22, a Saturday. This assumes that you are in Los Angeles, CA. There you can find someone to address your concerns and someone should be able to answer them. Fry's always seems to have the P363's on sale, although there is no knowing when the supply and their sale will end. Or you can just buy them and return them, if you don't like the P363s.
post #3720 of 3900
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

The best way for you to compare them is buy the P363's and test them in your own home. Since you live is LA you can easily find them at Fry's. Then you have 30 days to decide if you like them or not before returning for a full refund.

No matter what comparisons others may have made, the best way to bring them home.

Sure you could go to Fry's and test them in a sound room but that wont tell you how they sound in your environment.

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