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post #391 of 3898
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Originally Posted by ghbryant View Post

Gigapod...

Don't mind spending the money if I'll get something in return, but sounds like in your estimation, the difference (for home theather) is minimal at best

Do you see any reason/advantages to go with the 360's for my use?

Always looking for that elusive justification... just in case the wife asks!

Thanx

No reason at all except that the 360's will handle 200W vs. 150W for the 250's: that's "ear-splitting loud" vs. "ear-splitting loud too"...
Believe me, the 250's + the C25 + the 150's + either the PS-10 or PS-12 will sound loud enough to wake the neighborhood.
In case your wife asks, you can proudly declare: "there was a larger model but I decided to buy these to save some space and money...". She'll be happy and you don't have to tell her they sound the same and you spent the extra $100 on something else.
post #392 of 3898
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Originally Posted by Gigapod View Post

No reason at all except that the 360's will handle 200W vs. 150W for the 250's: that's "ear-splitting loud" vs. "ear-splitting loud too"...
Believe me, the 250's + the C25 + the 150's + either the PS-10 or PS-12 will sound loud enough to wake the neighborhood.
In case your wife asks, you can proudly declare: "there was a larger model but I decided to buy these to save some space and money...". She'll be happy and you don't have to tell her they sound the same and you spent the extra $100 on something else.

Just what I need to hear!

Thanks much
post #393 of 3898
Yes I feel that the 360's would benefit from more power from an external amp. I would still be running my center channel and my 160's throught the pioneer though.
post #394 of 3898
I'm thinking about raising my 360's off of the floor about 6 inches. Has anyone tried this before if so does it improve the sound any? Thanks.
post #395 of 3898
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Originally Posted by Cobra2001 View Post

I'm all ready to get the 360 bundle at vanns but the only thing holding me back is the fact that it comes with the PS-10 and I want the PS-12. I called them up yesterday and they no longer sell the PS-12 at all so I would have to look elsewhere.

They no longer sell PS12 because, both PS10 and PS12 are now on the discontinued list, so perhaps no more new supplies.

These 2 are replaced by PS210 and PS212 and both have more powerful amps now.
Check this out:
http://www.infinitysystems.com/homea...aspx?SerId=PSS
post #396 of 3898
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Originally Posted by a_ponce80 View Post

Yes I feel that the 360's would benefit from more power from an external amp. I would still be running my center channel and my 160's throught the pioneer though.

I confess in my small apartment I am used to listening at levels below or around 1W, because the 360's are already very efficient speakers.
A 200W amp will provide less than 3dB more power compared to your Pioneer 1015's 120W, so imho it's unlikely you'll notice any difference. Also in music and movies a good part of the work is performed by the active subwoofer.
If you want *really* loud music/movies I suggest a pair of Klipsch horn speakers; they are more expensive than the Primus but their even higher efficiency makes them sound much louder at the same power levels.

For our ears it takes 10 x more power (that's 10dB) to sound "twice as loud". The 2.5dB that a 200W amp would offer over a 120W receiver would just sound "a little bit louder".

I like Yamaha equipment, I don't know the Adcom.
post #397 of 3898
Thanks for your advice. I was mostly wanting the amp for stereo listening. I do like to crank it up and just love the sound of my Infinitys. By the way are your towers on the floor? I think I read somewhere that elevating them six inches or so improves the sound. Any expierence with this? thanks
post #398 of 3898
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Originally Posted by a_ponce80 View Post

I'm thinking about raising my 360's off of the floor about 6 inches. Has anyone tried this before if so does it improve the sound any? Thanks.

It does change the sound, but moving the speakers in a room also changes the sound in a similar way. You would have to try. Ask somebody to seat at the usual listening position and do an A/B comparison with one speaker raised and one speaker on the floor, using the A/B switch on the receiver (this kind of testing has to be done with the "Direct" mode enabled - no equalization).
post #399 of 3898
Hi all,

I just got a pair of Primus 360s and I've just got to say these things are great. For the first time since I got into this whole home theater thing a couple years ago I don't have any urge to upgrade.

After returning a couple of systems with dinky little satellite speakers I really got started with an Onkyo htib, and then replaced the front speakers with Infinity alpha 20s and the rears with primus 150s. I never could decide if I really liked the 150s or the 20s better -- the 150s seemed clearer, more detailed, and had better low level dynamics, but the alphas had the bass and high level dynamics advantages you would expect from a 6.5" speaker vs. a 5.25" inch one. Also, the alphas seemed warmer and that gave electric guitars a really pleasing sound through them. The alphas' treble always seemed a bit too laid back, though.

Anyway, I tried to solve this dilemma by getting some Primus 160s, but they seemed to be quite a bit different than the 150s -- the midrange was thinner and they treble seemed a lot brighter, so I went back to using the alphas as my mains. Finally, after reading the stereophile review of the primus 360s a few too many times, as well as this thread, I jumped on the deal on the 360s from electronics-expo's online store ($300 shipped). The 360s are exactly was I was looking for -- the detail, clarity, and low level dynamics of the 150s, and a bigger, more open sound with way more high level dynamics than the alphas could even come close to.

I'm still using the receiver from the Onkyo htib, and I was a little worried about whether or not it would be able to handle floorstanders, but it seems to be doing just fine. It is the ht-r510 from the 760 htib; it seems to be *very* similar to the tx-sr501.

I'm curious about why I like both the 150s and the 360s so much but don't like the 160s. Does anyone else find the 160s to have a thinner midrange and be a lot brighter than the 150s? The 160s were refurbished, and I wonder if maybe something was still not quite right with my pair, but since they are packaged individually and can be sold individually it seems unlikely that I would have gotten two that have the exact same problem.

This has gotten a little long winded, but anyway, the 360s are great -- if anyone reading this likes the 150s but wants something bigger, I'd definately recommend the 360s, especially at the price they are going for now.

Blake Allen
post #400 of 3898
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Originally Posted by Gigapod View Post

It does change the sound, but moving the speakers in a room also changes the sound in a similar way. You would have to try. Ask somebody to seat at the usual listening position and do an A/B comparison with one speaker raised and one speaker on the floor, using the A/B switch on the receiver (this kind of testing has to be done with the "Direct" mode enabled - no equalization).

Thanks Gigapod I will have to try that. I'll see what I end up with and post the results.
The way my towers are set up(right on either side of the T.V.) I really can't move them around.
post #401 of 3898
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Originally Posted by Blake Allen View Post

Hi all,

I just got a pair of Primus 360s and I've just got to say these things are great. For the first time since I got into this whole home theater thing a couple years ago I don't have any urge to upgrade.

After returning a couple of systems with dinky little satellite speakers I really got started with an Onkyo htib, and then replaced the front speakers with Infinity alpha 20s and the rears with primus 150s. I never could decide if I really liked the 150s or the 20s better -- the 150s seemed clearer, more detailed, and had better low level dynamics, but the alphas had the bass and high level dynamics advantages you would expect from a 6.5" speaker vs. a 5.25" inch one. Also, the alphas seemed warmer and that gave electric guitars a really pleasing sound through them. The alphas' treble always seemed a bit too laid back, though.

Anyway, I tried to solve this dilemma by getting some Primus 160s, but they seemed to be quite a bit different than the 150s -- the midrange was thinner and they treble seemed a lot brighter, so I went back to using the alphas as my mains. Finally, after reading the stereophile review of the primus 360s a few too many times, as well as this thread, I jumped on the deal on the 360s from electronics-expo's online store ($300 shipped). The 360s are exactly was I was looking for -- the detail, clarity, and low level dynamics of the 150s, and a bigger, more open sound with way more high level dynamics than the alphas could even come close to.

I'm still using the receiver from the Onkyo htib, and I was a little worried about whether or not it would be able to handle floorstanders, but it seems to be doing just fine. It is the ht-r510 from the 760 htib; it seems to be *very* similar to the tx-sr501.

I'm curious about why I like both the 150s and the 360s so much but don't like the 160s. Does anyone else find the 160s to have a thinner midrange and be a lot brighter than the 150s? The 160s were refurbished, and I wonder if maybe something was still not quite right with my pair, but since they are packaged individually and can be sold individually it seems unlikely that I would have gotten two that have the exact same problem.

This has gotten a little long winded, but anyway, the 360s are great -- if anyone reading this likes the 150s but wants something bigger, I'd definately recommend the 360s, especially at the price they are going for now.

Blake Allen

I am using a pair of 160's in my HT setup for my surround back channels. I have them set to small. Bullets and stuff like that sound fine. I do agree with you on the 360's though great speakers but to get that pounding bass you definitley need a sub.
post #402 of 3898
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Originally Posted by Blake Allen View Post

...
I'm curious about why I like both the 150s and the 360s so much but don't like the 160s. Does anyone else find the 160s to have a thinner midrange and be a lot brighter than the 150s?
...

Hi,
This is just a conjecture, but the only reason I can think of is that the 160's that you used had a slightly different frequency response in the midrange, and the human ear is very sensitive to frequency response differences in that range of frequencies because they correspond to the range of voice.
Don't be surprised at how different two speakers can sound, even when they are from the same range from the same manufacturer. I am constantly surprised at how one speaker model and another from the same manufacturer, using the same technologies, with similar dimensions, can sound so different. AFAIK even two speakers from the same lot can sound slightly different!
I think I read here in this forum that the tweeters that Infinity used in the Primus series had a high variability in frequency response. I don't know how that applies to Primus speakers manufactured recently, but it may have been the case with your 160's.
This is all conjecture...
post #403 of 3898
How does the Primus line blend with the Betas?

I thought about using the 360s as surrounds with an all-Beta front, but it might not match...

I'd just get another pair of Beta 50s, but the rear port might prove troublesome.
post #404 of 3898
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Originally Posted by jswriter View Post

I just bought a pair of Primus P162 bookshelves for my PC audio system. I like the new style grille. $175 shipped for a new set of speakers ain't too bad.

Hi jswriter,
Please report back once you have them setup and have listened to them for a while. I am curious about how they sound.
post #405 of 3898
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Originally Posted by Megalith View Post

How does the Primus line blend with the Betas?

I thought about using the 360s as surrounds with an all-Beta front, but it might not match...

I'd just get another pair of Beta 50s, but the rear port might prove troublesome.

Beta 50's or Primus 360's as surrounds could be a little bit of an overkill, why don't you try the Beta 20's, which are built to match the 50's?
post #406 of 3898
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Originally Posted by Gigapod View Post

Hi jswriter,
Please report back once you have them setup and have listened to them for a while. I am curious about how they sound.

Will do!
post #407 of 3898
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Originally Posted by jswriter View Post

Will do!

Thanks, am deciding to go with the 150s or 162s
post #408 of 3898
Hello all, I'm in the process of deciding what speakers to match up with my Pioneer VSX-1016 and Polk PSW10 sub... I'm looking at:

Fronts: Infinity P362
Center: Infinity P250
Rear: Infinity P162

Is this a good setup? It seems hard to find any info on these infinitys... Is this infinity system better than a Klipsch Synergy F1,C1,S1 setup? (movies only, small room, limited budjet)

Thanks for any input!
post #409 of 3898
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Originally Posted by DJDiggler View Post

Hello all, I'm Dirk Diggler
Thanks for any input!

Hey Dirk.......where's Chest Rockwell????
post #410 of 3898
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Originally Posted by DJDiggler View Post

Hello all, I'm in the process of deciding what speakers to match up with my Pioneer VSX-1016 and Polk PSW10 sub... I'm looking at:

Fronts: Infinity P362
Center: Infinity P250
Rear: Infinity P162

Is this a good setup? It seems hard to find any info on these infinitys... Is this infinity system better than a Klipsch Synergy F1,C1,S1 setup? (movies only, small room, limited budjet)

Thanks for any input!

Hi and welcome to this thread.
Yes it is a very good setup and will match your Pioneer receiver and Polk sub nicely.
Only you can tell whether it will sound better than any other brand/combination, since speaker taste is essentially subjective (for comparable setups, of course).
post #411 of 3898
Thanks for the welcome! I went ahead and did it and bought the above system. I think I got a great deal... the list at the store was a outragous $2300 I paid $860 CDN with a little help from a "inside" friend! One problem already is the P162's are huge! The GF isn't happy...

Quote:


Hey Dirk.......where's Chest Rockwell????

It's DJ as in disc jockey, not "Dirk J."

Dirk is my hero though! j/k
post #412 of 3898
Well she's all deboxed! Can't hook her up yet, forgot to buy bnanna plugs (don't want to do it twice). Looks good to me, GF isn't to happy... she'll like it when I start watching more moves with her now!



For anyone else looking into these speakers, (and finding this thread like me), check out these reviews:

Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity - Infinity Primus

Stereophile Infinity Primus 360

For the older models, but they usually only get better with newer technology! BTW Does anyone know the changes in the new models (eg. P360->P362 I'm assuming the 2's are a replacement model)
post #413 of 3898
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Originally Posted by DJDiggler View Post

Well she's all deboxed! Can't hook her up yet, forgot to buy bnanna plugs (don't want to do it twice).

I wouldn't be able to wait, if I were you. I am too impatient and would have at least connected them temporarily. Good luck.

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Originally Posted by DJDiggler View Post

BTW Does anyone know the changes in the new models (eg. P360->P362 I'm assuming the 2's are a replacement model)

From the specification and info available on Infinity's web site, it looks more like just cosmetic changes. The new center channel pc350, is something that was not there in older model and also the subs (ps10, ps12) have more powerful amps.
post #414 of 3898
The press release only mentions cosmetic changes.
post #415 of 3898
Hey DJDiggler,
You are the first one here to get the new Primus models, it seems, congrats! After you set them up and give them a test drive, please tell us how they sound. Your (subjective) impressions will certainly be interesting to read.
BTW I think you got a fantastic deal! They look good too! Thanks for the pic.
post #416 of 3898
Well I finally hooked her up and got everything setup... sort of. The GF invited friends over for a movie right after I started so even after a very quick setup it sounds great! The first move I watched was unfortunatly "Step Up" (girls overruled the guys). The only good thing was the large amount of music and boy did it sound good. I will further set things up and try more material but must say I'm very happy with this setup already.

Main things I noticed over the old system are crystal clear highs and seamless blending with the sub... these speakers are very good at the low end as well as high. I just used the MCACC setuop on the reciver so I'll check how it decided to set things up.

Also anyone know what stands would be good fore the P162's? They are massive and quite heavy, need something really stable to put them on.
post #417 of 3898
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Originally Posted by DJDiggler View Post

The only good thing was the large amount of music and boy did it sound good. I will further set things up and try more material but must say I'm very happy with this setup already.

Good to hear that. I am sure, you will like them even more once you are done with setup/calibration/tweaking etc. You will be surprised, how much difference a small placement change can make. Try different placement/locations options, toe-in angles etc, before settling for a permanent location. It is time consuming thing, but believe me it is worth it.

I would suggest getting a SPL meter, so that you can accurately level match all the speakers and sub. I know your receiver has MCACC, but I trust SPL meter more. Radioshack SPL meter is quite popular over here and costs around $50 for digital model and about $45 for analog model. Either will be fine.

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Originally Posted by DJDiggler View Post

Also anyone know what stands would be good fore the P162's? They are massive and quite heavy, need something really stable to put them on.

Check out the following web sites for speaker stands
http://www.standsandmounts.com/index...S&Category=224

http://www.racksandstands.com/Mid-Si...1%7E10372.html

Also check out partsexpress.com for stands.

If your DIY skills are better than mine (mine is pathetic), you can also check out DIY section of this forum or post there and some one will be respond. You can make better (and or stable) stand yourself.
post #418 of 3898
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Originally Posted by axs View Post

Check out the following web sites for speaker stands

Amazon has the Sanus BF stands for only $30 and $40 a pair. The 31-inch version might be marginal with large 15+-lb bookshelves though.
post #419 of 3898
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Originally Posted by riker1384 View Post

Amazon has the Sanus BF stands for only $30 and $40 a pair. The 31-inch version might be marginal with large 15+-lb bookshelves though.

As I didn't know his specific requirements, I listed those web sites instead of specific model. Generally surround speakers will need taller stands as you will end up placing the speakers about 1-3' above the ear level.
post #420 of 3898
I have had two 150's in the rear for a year or so, and I loved the speakers, but I could never part with the $ to complete the setup since my old Infinity SM-102's up front sounded pretty good. But when I found 360's through an authorized dealer for under Three Benjamin Franklins including shipping for the pair I just couldn't pass it up, plus my wife got me the C25 for Christmas! So the setup is:

360's Front
C25 Center
150's Rear
JBL 12" Northridge 250W sub

My Receiver is a Harman Kardon AVR Series. The source for DVD's and CD's is a Yamaha C-750 DVD changer.

Total cost for all this stuff (speakers + rcvr + DVD xger) after buying most everything on closeout is less than $1200.

I am in a 22' x 16' room.

The clarity of the sound is absolutely stunning. When I switched from my old Yamaha Rx to the HK I felt like I had opened up a whole new CD collection! When I got the Yamaha DVD changer it un-muddied some of the sound. Now that I have the whole primus line it feels like the performers are in the room with me!

The reason I opted for the 360's rather than the 250's up front was because I wanted the separate midrange. I think that when trying to drive all the way from 80 Hz up to 20k three drivers, when properly engineered, sound better than 2. Just my personal preference. I had asked a couple of times on this forum how the 360's would compare to the old Infinity SM-102's I had and I can say there is no comparison!

It used to be that listening to 2 channel CD's was best accomplished by using the 5 Ch Music Mode provided by the Receiver. Not anymore! With the 360's the staging is so good, and everything is so crisp and clear that it is best listened to with just the 360's and the sub.

However, for 5 channel stuff, this setup rocks as well! I have a "Best of Seal 1991-2004" DVD Audio Disc that is simply unbelievable when played in the direct 6 Channel mode from the DVD changer. Movies, are of course awesome as well, but in my experience it is much easier to get great sounding Dolby Digital 5.1 systems vs systems that sound good on musical content. I actually much prefer the sound at home now to the movie theatre. Now I just have to get a large flatscreen TV

Just figure I would let you guys know that I am extremely happy with the Primus speakers and I would highly recommend any of the components that I mentioned above to anybody considering them. I am sure there are better speakers out there, but they probably cost as much as my car!
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