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post #3421 of 6251
11/26/07 at 5:19am
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

If the TiVo HD can has an RJ45 jack for a wired connection, it can be connected to the type of wireless adapter that I've used in the past. There is no way that it can possibly tell the difference.

bicker1,
You might be thinking of the deal where only the supported eSata drive will work with the TiVoHD vs. other drives working with the S3...just a thought...

Randy
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post #3422 of 6251
11/26/07 at 5:26am
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Originally Posted by IFLYSWA View Post

bicker1,
You might be thinking of the deal where only the supported eSata drive will work with the TiVoHD vs. other drives working with the S3...just a thought...

Randy

The TiVoHD does have an RJ45 wired ethernet port.

Is everyone aware on Verizon fios you can purchase a Motorola NIM that will take the coax connection for your cable and allow you to connect to your actiontec router @ 100 megabits wired. You would need a splitter one way to your tivo box and the other to the nim which has an input for coax and output of RJ45. This device allows you to utilise the Actiontec routers abilities to push data over the coax connection (MOCA)
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post #3423 of 6251
11/26/07 at 5:55am
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

If the TiVo HD can has an RJ45 jack for a wired connection, it can be connected to the type of wireless adapter that I've used in the past. There is no way that it can possibly tell the difference.

While I agree, I was just reporting what I remember reading. You know what they say about memory....

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Originally Posted by IFLYSWA View Post

You might be thinking of the deal where only the supported eSata drive will work with the TiVoHD vs. other drives working with the S3...just a thought...

Very likely.

Thanks for the correct, guys.
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post #3424 of 6251
11/26/07 at 5:57am
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Originally Posted by IFLYSWA View Post

bicker1,
You might be thinking of the deal where only the supported eSata drive will work with the TiVoHD vs. other drives working with the S3...just a thought...

Randy

The distinction that isnt coming out in this discussion is USB vs Wired. As Mike said, an wireless access point connected to the Tivo via RJ45 will work fine. The Tivo, in that case, is in wired 'mode' and couldnt care less about what happens beyond the RJ45. I (and likely Bicker) assumed the poster was talking about USB Wireless adapters. Tivo only supports their branded solution on S3 and THD. I dont believe others will even be recognized as their drivers would have to be included in the Tivo software. Cant swear to it though....
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post #3425 of 6251
11/26/07 at 6:10am
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Originally Posted by i2k View Post

Is everyone aware on Verizon fios you can purchase a Motorola NIM that will take the coax connection for your cable and allow you to connect to your actiontec router @ 100 megabits wired. You would need a splitter one way to your tivo box and the other to the nim which has an input for coax and output of RJ45. This device allows you to utilise the Actiontec routers abilities to push data over the coax connection (MOCA)

I do this.

If you have multiple TiVos on FiOS and can't run ethernet cable, this is definitely the way to network them for multiroom viewing. It's much faster than wireless networking.
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post #3426 of 6251
11/26/07 at 6:18am
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Originally Posted by i2k View Post

Is everyone aware on Verizon fios you can purchase a Motorola NIM that will take the coax connection for your cable and allow you to connect to your actiontec router @ 100 megabits wired. You would need a splitter one way to your tivo box and the other to the nim which has an input for coax and output of RJ45. This device allows you to utilise the Actiontec routers abilities to push data over the coax connection (MOCA)

Sounds good. When is Veroizon coming to my area? Probably never.

With AT&T having most of the NE Ohio Area locked up and Windstream the rest I doubt I'll ever see it here. I certainly don't know if Windstream has any plans at all for TV other then what they offer now which is E*.

We will never have true competion until these companies are allowed to "cross over" into other areas.
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post #3427 of 6251
11/26/07 at 6:27am
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

If the TiVo HD can has an RJ45 jack for a wired connection, it can be connected to the type of wireless adapter that I've used in the past. There is no way that it can possibly tell the difference.

100% correct. In fact, it's precisely how I have my S3 connected to my network at home. My S3 is wired to a Linksys WRT54Gv3 running the 3rd party firmware Tomato in WET (also known as "client bridge") mode. Works like a charm. My TTG transfers approach 12Mbps.

I've also set up my brother-in-law's S2 in a similar manner, with similar success.

I prefer this method, since as you say, the TiVo doesn't need to know what it's connected to. As far as it's concerned, it's directly connected via wired ethernet to the network.
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post #3428 of 6251
11/26/07 at 6:33am
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Originally Posted by hookbill View Post

Sounds good. When is Verizon coming to my area? Probably never.

With AT&T having most of the NE Ohio Area locked up and Windstream the rest I doubt I'll ever see it here. I certainly don't know if Windstream has any plans at all for TV other then what they offer now which is E*.

We will never have true competion until these companies are allowed to "cross over" into other areas.

Same here. Verizon was wiring the next town over from me for fiber, and then all of a sudden decided it wanted to sell their entire wired operational base in NH, VT and ME to this tiny rural telco (FairPoint) so they could write off $1.8Billion in taxes. Fortunately, the law makers in all three states have realized that there is NO WAY this tiny telco is gonna be able to maintain the existing infrastructure, never mind make upgrades. In fact, they only way they can afford to make this whole deal work is not give their employees a raise for 7 full years.

Hopefully, the sale won't go through, and Verizon will realize that they've made a mistake.
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post #3429 of 6251
11/26/07 at 6:48am
To all the doubters out there : CableLabs and TiVo have announced that the SDV dongle will ship in Q2 2008. LINK. Money quote :

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The adapter will work on any Unidirectional Digital Cable Ready Product (UDCP) that has a USB connector and necessary firmware. The cable industry is working with TiVo to ensure that installation of CableCARDs and the adapter will be easy and seamless for the consumer. Cable operators will make the new adapters available for TiVo customers in the second quarter of 2008. We are gratified that the cable industry has agreed to work quickly to develop a solution that will enable existing TiVo CableCARD DVRs to directly access switched digital cable channels and ensure the adapter is part of an easy installation process for cable subscribers, said TiVo's Rogers.
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post #3430 of 6251
11/26/07 at 7:03am
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Originally Posted by Paul Simoneau View Post

To all the doubters out there : CableLabs and TiVo have announced that the SDV dongle will ship in Q2 2008. LINK. Money quote :

excellent.
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post #3431 of 6251
11/26/07 at 7:16am
Excellent news. Now just two things to worry about. When the dongles are shipped to the cable companies, how long will it take them to realize they have them? I'm talking CSR people here.

The other question is since it's distributed thru the cable operator how much are they going to make us pork up to have this puppy. Monthly service? One time charge?
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post #3432 of 6251
11/26/07 at 7:21am
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Originally Posted by hookbill View Post

Excellent news. Now just two things to worry about. When the dongles are shipped to the cable companies, how long will it take them to realize they have them? I'm talking CSR people here.

The other question is since it's distributed thru the cable operator how much are they going to make us pork up to have this puppy. Monthly service? One time charge?

That's something I'm not wild about, another box/device the cable company will charge you monthly rent on. Of course, if my area gets SDV I may not have a choice.
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post #3433 of 6251
11/26/07 at 7:21am
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Originally Posted by hookbill View Post

Excellent news. Now just two things to worry about. When the dongles are shipped to the cable companies, how long will it take them to realize they have them? I'm talking CSR people here.

The other question is since it's distributed thru the cable operator how much are they going to make us pork up to have this puppy. Monthly service? One time charge?

As long as its cheaper than the SA8300HD backup DVR rental Im currently enduring then it wont be a problem.

The lead time will be the real concern. When will each cableco be in support of it and have it in stock. Im gonna start lobbying with an email to our local TWC president this evening
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post #3434 of 6251
11/26/07 at 7:38am
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

That's something I'm not wild about, another box/device the cable company will charge you monthly rent on. Of course, if my area gets SDV I may not have a choice.

The simple solution to cost concerns is to ignore any offering that your cable provider makes as SDV--no charge .

Whatever it costs, it'll be a whole lot less than the cost of tossing your TiVo because you find that the cable company is offering some new service as SDV that you're burning to have.
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post #3435 of 6251
11/26/07 at 7:39am
Tossing the TiVo is not an option.
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post #3436 of 6251
11/26/07 at 7:42am
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Whatever it costs, it'll be a whole lot less than the cost of tossing your TiVo because you find that the cable company is offering some new service as SDV that you're burning to have.

Amen to that. I payed full price for my S3. My biggest fear was I was going to have to face my wife some day and say, "Honey, our S3 is not going to be usable anymore." Of course I would probably do that by sending an email to her as opposed to face to face.
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post #3437 of 6251
11/26/07 at 7:43am
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Originally Posted by i2k View Post

Tossing the TiVo is not an option.

It's not an option for me either--I'd just fume and grow increasingly bitter as they added new HD services that I yearned for (inability to access Sci Fi HD alone would gnaw away at my soul). My friends and family would shun me as I lashed out at them indiscriminately in impotent frustration.
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post #3438 of 6251
11/26/07 at 7:46am
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

It's not an option for me either--I'd just fume and grow increasingly bitter as they added new HD services that I yearned for (inability to access Sci Fi HD alone would gnaw away at my soul). My friends and family would shun me as I lashed out at them indiscriminately in impotent frustration.

LOL too funny because its so true.
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post #3439 of 6251
11/26/07 at 9:54am
A link to the actual press release:

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...nktopagebottom

I'd also recommend expecting this to be offered for a small monthly charge from the service provider, probably about the same price as an additional CableCard.
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post #3440 of 6251
11/26/07 at 10:52am
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Originally Posted by bicker1 View Post

A link to the actual press release:

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...nktopagebottom

I'd also recommend expecting this to be offered for a small monthly charge from the service provider, probably about the same price as an additional CableCard.

I hope you're right on the price, with the rising costs for cable-supplied equipment I can see the cablco listing this as some "advanced technology equipment" and dinging us for $7-10 a month for the thing, I hope I'm wrong. A second CC in my Comcast area is only $1.79 per mo currently.
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post #3441 of 6251
11/26/07 at 11:00am
Well whatever the charge you can bet on one thing. In some areas it will be inexpensive, others more expensive.

I'm betting 7 bucks.
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post #3442 of 6251
11/26/07 at 11:03am
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Originally Posted by hookbill View Post

Well whatever the charge you can bet on one thing. In some areas it will be inexpensive, others more expensive.

I'm betting 7 bucks.

That's my guess as well.
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post #3443 of 6251
11/26/07 at 11:13am
I don't mind paying a total of whatever they charge for their own equipment as long as I get to keep the TiVo interface and it works!
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post #3444 of 6251
11/26/07 at 12:52pm
As I've been arguing over at TCF, charging arbitrarily high fees with no relationship to actual cost of stocking and maintaining these things is just going to bring the wrath of FCC regulatory efforts down on them.

Freedom of choice in equipment is a line-item that cable could use in their marketing battle with DBS and AT&T (Verizon is CableCARD compliant). Charging huge fees for equipment that will cost them a trivial amount to buy and maintain will hurt them in the long run.
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post #3445 of 6251
11/26/07 at 12:54pm
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Originally Posted by dturturro View Post

I don't mind paying a total of whatever they charge for their own equipment as long as I get to keep the TiVo interface and it works!

I hate to admit it, but if they were to charge the price of an STB lease to use one of these things I'd pay--I'd grumble and write copious complaints to my franchising authority and the FCC, but I'd pay.
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post #3446 of 6251
11/26/07 at 1:29pm
I don't think there's any doubt we'll all end up paying pretty much whatever they ask, depending on what channels are SDV'ed in your particular area. In my case, I don't think we'll ever see local HD broadcast channels being SDV, and right now that's all I get/want from Comcast. Once they finally add a competitive HD lineup, then I'll increase my programming and SDV will probably become an issue.
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post #3447 of 6251
11/26/07 at 2:01pm
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

I hate to admit it, but if they were to charge the price of an STB lease to use one of these things I'd pay--I'd grumble and write copious complaints to my franchising authority and the FCC, but I'd pay.

Of course you would. Face it they got us by the ba***. Nobody in their right mind is going to go back to a cable DVR after using the S3.

This is one of the reasons why I feel that cable companies were actually "eager" to try and come up with the dongle. Cha Ching Cha Ching. Let's get another piece of those TiVo people. We'll say we were doing it to assist them.

That and the fact that they may have been looking at the FCC coming down on them.
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post #3448 of 6251
11/26/07 at 2:16pm
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

I hate to admit it, but if they were to charge the price of an STB lease to use one of these things I'd pay--I'd grumble and write copious complaints to my franchising authority and the FCC, but I'd pay.

Me too. It would basically be a wash for me as I would get rid of an SA8300 that Im keeping as my SDV trump card once I can get hold of the tuning resolver.
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post #3449 of 6251
11/26/07 at 4:20pm
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My feeling is that the SDV adapter should cost no more than the Cablecards on a monthly basis.

How can someone say that a cablecard is worth $1.75/month, but an SDV dongle will cost $5/month? Isn't the dongle just a glorified A/B switch (or perhaps an A/B/C/D.... switch)? It seems to me that the Cablecard has more inherent value since it actually has to do the decoding/decryption. (But I suppose one is useless without the other if SDV is implemented in your area)...
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post #3450 of 6251
11/26/07 at 4:52pm
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Originally Posted by spiff72 View Post

My feeling is that the SDV adapter should cost no more than the Cablecards on a monthly basis.

How can someone say that a cablecard is worth $1.75/month, but an SDV dongle will cost $5/month? Isn't the dongle just a glorified A/B switch (or perhaps an A/B/C/D.... switch)? It seems to me that the Cablecard has more inherent value since it actually has to do the decoding/decryption. (But I suppose one is useless without the other if SDV is implemented in your area)...

Its a market based economy.... what will the customer pay. The dongle is more than an A/B switch... Its basically a cable modem with software.

As to what I would pay... a digital cable box with digital service is $8.95 here. So I would be very happy to pay that much to equip an S3 with a couple S-Cards and a dongle to have access to SDV. However, cost isnt the object in my opinion. If cost was king... id be using a POS8300. Cablecards here are 1.75 each plus 1.00 each for digital service. Now what would really torque me off is another $42.95 installation charge.
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