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post #4801 of 6251
9/28/08 at 7:12pm
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

I wasn't insulting you, I just asked you to shut up about dead horses because you're no more the forum cop than I.

You made your point, as have I. Peace.

Not that I really want to drag this thing out but you didn't ask me to shut up you told me to shut up. Big difference. And in doing so you were acting like a forum cop.

However it's clear that you don't want to have a fight over this anymore then I do. The problem with the internet and forums is that what we type and how it comes out to others can be two different things. So let's forget about it as you suggest and move on. As far as I'm concerned it's over between me and you. Peace back to you.
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post #4802 of 6251
9/28/08 at 8:11pm
There are now just about exactly as many posts in your argument about who's insulting who or being "forum cops" as there were discussing the opinion that TiVo should add recording indicators to the guide (a valid topic of conversation for this thread, however long it went on, whereas the argument is probably not).
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post #4803 of 6251
9/28/08 at 8:21pm
I think I'd rather discuss what TiVo's thinking of doing as far as a new interface is concerned. Quite a bit different from the interface we've all seen since Day 1.

High definition, very interactive, integrated with various download entities (Netfilix, Blockbuster, Amazon), perhaps some kind of concept of personalized recordings (my recordings might be seperate from my wife's), some kind of social networking... Thoughts ?

LINK

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post #4804 of 6251
9/28/08 at 8:42pm
Don't like it. Too messy at the top for one thing. Not nearly as intuitive for the menus.
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post #4805 of 6251
9/28/08 at 9:24pm
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Originally Posted by bierboy View Post

Don't like it. Too messy at the top for one thing. Not nearly as intuitive for the menus.

There are parts that I do like, and parts that I don't like.

I don't mind the menu re-org. I feel it more cleanly integrates other sources of programming (Netflix, Amazon), rather than the current endless list of HME apps in the "Music, Photos..." menu.

Depending upon how they are thinking of doing the social networking thing, it might be a useful enhancement to the current Suggestions engine. As it stands right now, I turn off Suggestions because I find it more of a hindrance than a help.

The top ribbon is one that I most definitely don't like initially, but I'll have to see it in action before I can really make up my mind. Apparently, it's configurable in that you can select the ratios of movies, TV, downloads, ads, etc that are shown.
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post #4806 of 6251
9/29/08 at 3:47am
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Originally Posted by Paul Simoneau View Post

There are parts that I do like, and parts that I don't like.

I don't mind the menu re-org. I feel it more cleanly integrates other sources of programming (Netflix, Amazon), rather than the current endless list of HME apps in the "Music, Photos..." menu.

Depending upon how they are thinking of doing the social networking thing, it might be a useful enhancement to the current Suggestions engine. As it stands right now, I turn off Suggestions because I find it more of a hindrance than a help.

The top ribbon is one that I most definitely don't like initially, but I'll have to see it in action before I can really make up my mind. Apparently, it's configurable in that you can select the ratios of movies, TV, downloads, ads, etc that are shown.

See, I don't use (and never plan to use) Netlfix or Amazon, so those are just a waste of space to me. I'm rarely (if ever) in the Music, Photos..." menu. But I guess I can see how that would be useful to those who do access those areas a lot.
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post #4807 of 6251
9/29/08 at 4:18am
From the caption of what they're asking opinions about (the ribbon at the top), it sounds like it's going to be another way of sending ads for shows, movies, and music related to what you have recorded.

The current menu is definitely in need of an overhaul for 16:9 sets, and the 'Find programs and downloads' section has become a catchall for everything that doesn't fit somewhere else.

I agree about Suggestions, Paul. I turned them off from the beginning but periodically check to see what it would have recorded, and 99% of it is stuff I wouldn't want it to record. But I can see that if you thumbs up/down enough shows over time, it might catch something that you're interested in.
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post #4808 of 6251
9/29/08 at 5:12am
Absolutely any redesign of the UI will be very deliberately oriented towards providing more advertising opportunities. That's a stated goal of TiVo overall.

We have great success with Suggestions. It does a great job of keeping my 750 GB full of interesting stuff to watch, when the core of Now Playing is empty, or I'm alone and Now Playing filled with things that my wife and I would watch together.
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post #4809 of 6251
9/29/08 at 5:57am
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Originally Posted by Paul Simoneau View Post

I think I'd rather discuss what TiVo's thinking of doing as far as a new interface is concerned. Quite a bit different from the interface we've all seen since Day 1.

High definition, very interactive, integrated with various download entities (Netfilix, Blockbuster, Amazon), perhaps some kind of concept of personalized recordings (my recordings might be seperate from my wife's), some kind of social networking... Thoughts ?

LINK


Where is the TiVo Guy? When I had D-TiVo and they took away the TiVo guy I didn't like it.

May sound silly but I like the little fellow.
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post #4810 of 6251
9/29/08 at 6:57am
I just bought a TIVO and noticed flicker or quick flashes during programming. I notice this on talk shows, like leno, and interview type siuations like on Fox News or CNN. Its most noticable on 4 of my analog channels but have seen it some on one of the ota hd channels.

To clarify I am not talking about when you change a channel and it changes resolution and flickers, I'm talking about at random times during a program I am hit with quick flashes of light, light dynamically chaning brightness most noticable on a dark background to mid grey background.

On two channels I see a quick flash of snow maybe for 1/2 a second and you can hear the snow for 1/2 second.

Is this a problem with the 9.4 firmware or is my new tivo defective?
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post #4811 of 6251
9/29/08 at 7:24am
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Originally Posted by hookbill View Post

Where is the TiVo Guy? When I had D-TiVo and they took away the TiVo guy I didn't like it.

May sound silly but I like the little fellow.

I don't think this was the final layout. It was more likely a questionnaire concerning the various new graphical elements in the GUI. I suspect that once they gather enough opinions, they'll change the look and feel to reflect the input of those comments. Adding the TiVo guy would be the icing on the cake at the end.

When you consider the current layout, there's a lot of wasted screen real-estate at the sides at top, even though it's still formatted for 480i presentation. I suspect the TiVo guy will live on, but might end up being smaller than he is now...
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post #4812 of 6251
9/29/08 at 8:40am
I'd agree with that blogger that the TiVo GUI is long overdue for an overhaul. It's been kind of growing organically and there are lots of things that I find to be counter-intuitive about it at this point (for example, why would I expect to find "Record by Time or Channel" and "To Do List" under the heading "Find Programs & Downloads" ???). They also need to let the HD models become a separate thing, making use of the higher definition and widescreen format--they've been maintaining parity between them and the Series2 for too long.
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post #4813 of 6251
10/4/08 at 3:45pm
According to this thread at TCF, Comcast plans to make Tuning Adapters available on Monday (at least in New Jersey).
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post #4814 of 6251
10/4/08 at 4:07pm
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

According to this thread at TCF, Comcast plans to make Tuning Adapters available on Monday (at least in New Jersey).

For free! Not that I wouldn't pay a reasonable cost, but free is always good.
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post #4815 of 6251
10/4/08 at 4:33pm
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

For free! Not that I wouldn't pay a reasonable cost, but free is always good.

Cox has stated in their letters that the tuning adapter would be provided at no charge; TWC's letter says, "It is currently contemplated that the Tuning Adapter will be provided at no additional charge." TiVo's press release revealing that the Tuning Adapter was coming predicted that the cable providers would not be charging for it.
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post #4816 of 6251
10/4/08 at 7:10pm
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Cox has stated in their letters that the tuning adapter would be provided at no charge; TWC's letter says, "It is currently contemplated that the Tuning Adapter will be provided at no additional charge." TiVo's press release revealing that the Tuning Adapter was coming predicted that the cable providers would not be charging for it.

I haven't got one yet but in some areas around here the TW letter for SDV is going out and I can confirm what michaelscott is saying, that TW is planning on delivering the device at no additional charge.
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post #4817 of 6251
10/5/08 at 5:09am
Not that the distinction matters much, but I suspect that, at least for now, the tuning adapter would be "included" in the price associated with the CableCARDs.
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post #4818 of 6251
10/5/08 at 6:37am
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Originally Posted by bicker1 View Post

Not that the distinction matters much, but I suspect that, at least for now, the tuning adapter would be "included" in the price associated with the CableCARDs.

Which is as you say pure speculation. But you are implying in your speculation that there may be a cost further on down the line.

It may also snow in Los Angeles. It's happened.

I agree there is a better chance of a cost being added then snow in L.A. but in all due respect bicker1 this statement is the kind that can start rumors. Let's just stick with what we know to be true now.
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post #4819 of 6251
10/5/08 at 7:05am
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Originally Posted by proudx View Post

I just bought a TIVO and noticed flicker or quick flashes during programming. I notice this on talk shows, like leno, and interview type siuations like on Fox News or CNN. Its most noticable on 4 of my analog channels but have seen it some on one of the ota hd channels.

To clarify I am not talking about when you change a channel and it changes resolution and flickers, I'm talking about at random times during a program I am hit with quick flashes of light, light dynamically chaning brightness most noticable on a dark background to mid grey background.

Is this a problem with the 9.4 firmware or is my new tivo defective?

I can't believe nobody else has noticed this major bug. I have been through 5 hd tivos, yes 5, man dates jan,feb,apr and aug of 08. even shows up on tivo hd xl man date of aug 08. It shows up on analogs, watch cnn and you will see the background dynamically shifting in brightness. Tivo says its comcast, but non of my other tvs do it, and I can even reproduce it hooking a modulator up to my local cable network and tuning the tivo to the modulated channel so it can't be comcast!
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post #4820 of 6251
10/5/08 at 7:09am
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Originally Posted by proudx View Post

I can't believe nobody else has noticed this major bug. I have been through 5 hd tivos, yes 5, man dates jan,feb,apr and aug of 08. even shows up on tivo hd xl man date of aug 08. It shows up on analogs, watch cnn and you will see the background dynamically shifting in brightness. Tivo says its comcast, but non of my other tvs do it, and I can even reproduce it hooking a modulator up to my local cable network and tuning the tivo to the modulated channel so it can't be comcast!

Why are you acting so outraged? Calm down. Maybe the reason "nobody else has noticed this major bug" is because the vast majority of TiVo owners don't have the "bug." You say none of your other TVs do it....have you thought maybe it's the TV? Have you tried talking to Comcast about it? Just because it doesn't show up on your other TVs hooked up to Comcast doesn't mean it's not a Comcast problem.
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post #4821 of 6251
10/5/08 at 7:14am
Or many of us don't watch any analog channels. I use FIOS and everything is digital. Even with COMCAST which has around 75 analog channels in my area. All the channels I watched were digital.
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post #4822 of 6251
10/5/08 at 7:25am
Thread Starter 
Sorry if this is a bit off topic, but I was wondering if Tivo allows you to replace a dying Tivo with another one...

My original Series 2 is making an irritating high pitched squeaking noise (that is beginning to drive me crazy). We don't use this one much anymore, but we gave my mother-in-law a newer S2 that she no longer uses. If we got that one back, would Tivo let us swap it out for the dying one, without changing our monthly rate to the higher price one? I think they raised their rates since we signed up...

Thanks
Jeff
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post #4823 of 6251
10/5/08 at 7:41am
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Originally Posted by proudx View Post

I can't believe nobody else has noticed this major bug. I have been through 5 hd tivos, yes 5, man dates jan,feb,apr and aug of 08. even shows up on tivo hd xl man date of aug 08. It shows up on analogs, watch cnn and you will see the background dynamically shifting in brightness. Tivo says its comcast, but non of my other tvs do it, and I can even reproduce it hooking a modulator up to my local cable network and tuning the tivo to the modulated channel so it can't be comcast!

If anything when I got my S3 and TiVo HD quality of analog channels improved. And I do not have this flicker that you are talking about.

Of course TiVo says it's Comcast and Comcast will say it's TiVo. My question to you is have you tried it with another TiVo? Perhaps the problem is just your TiVo not a "bug" as you describe.
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post #4824 of 6251
10/5/08 at 10:29am
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Originally Posted by hookbill View Post

My question to you is have you tried it with another TiVo? Perhaps the problem is just your TiVo not a "bug" as you describe.

When he says...
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I have been through 5 hd tivos, yes 5, man dates jan,feb,apr and aug of 08. even shows up on tivo hd xl man date of aug 08.

...I think that he's saying that he's used 5 different TiVo HDs and seen the problem on all of them.

If it was at all a common problem, I'd have to think that it would have been brought up here or on TCF long ago and I haven't seen the problem discussed anywhere (nor have I seen it on my TiVo S3, and I do watch some analog, BBC America and Sci Fi). If people were experiencing this commonly, they wouldn't sell many of these.

proudx, it has to be something local to your situation, though I can't imagine what. Maybe there's something in your household electrical or CATV wiring which is incompatible with TiVo.
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post #4825 of 6251
10/5/08 at 10:55am
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

When he says......I think that he's saying that he's used 5 different TiVo HDs and seen the problem on all of them.

If it was at all a common problem, I'd have to think that it would have been brought up here or on TCF long ago and I haven't seen the problem discussed anywhere (nor have I seen it on my TiVo S3, and I do watch some analog, BBC America and Sci Fi). If people were experiencing this commonly, they wouldn't sell many of these.

proudx, it has to be something local to your situation, though I can't imagine what. Maybe there's something in your household electrical or CATV wiring which is incompatible with TiVo.

Yeah he sure did! It came through to me without the TiVo part. And not to make excuses but he did the TiVo as tivo and that's probably why I missed it.

Over in my local forum we have a fellow who does stuff like that frequently. I've been getting more and more of his bad habits.

Not to make an excuse of course, though I just made two of them.

Do you or Paul ever miss when I screw up? And I should include bicker1 as another.

I type before I think.
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post #4826 of 6251
10/5/08 at 11:02am
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Originally Posted by hookbill View Post

I agree there is a better chance of a cost being added then snow in L.A. but in all due respect bicker1 this statement is the kind that can start rumors. Let's just stick with what we know to be true now.

Fair enough. My intention was just to not lead anyone to believe that the situation can't change -- it can. And my main point was that the tuning adapter isn't "free" -- it's "included". There's a difference that people need to keep in mind.
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post #4827 of 6251
10/5/08 at 11:05am
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Originally Posted by bicker1 View Post

Fair enough. My intention was just to not lead anyone to believe that the situation can't change -- it can. And my main point was that the tuning adapter isn't "free" -- it's "included". There's a difference that people need to keep in mind.

Well said, specially when it comes to cable companies.
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post #4828 of 6251
10/5/08 at 11:09am
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Or many of us don't watch any analog channels. I use FIOS and everything is digital. Even with COMCAST which has around 75 analog channels in my area. All the channels I watched were digital.

I'm so jealous of you. I'd love to have FIOS but it will never come to my area.

According to some people in my area they are now getting all digital signals, but that seems to be only in the "Original" TW area. We have upgraded analog to digital on four of our local stations and quite honestly I'd just as soon have the analog.
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post #4829 of 6251
10/5/08 at 11:37am
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Originally Posted by bierboy View Post

Why are you acting so outraged? Calm down. Maybe the reason "nobody else has noticed this major bug" is because the vast majority of TiVo owners don't have the "bug." You say none of your other TVs do it....have you thought maybe it's the TV? Have you tried talking to Comcast about it? Just because it doesn't show up on your other TVs hooked up to Comcast doesn't mean it's not a Comcast problem.

yes I have tried multiple TVs "3 of them" with 5 different Tivo hds, all have this problem. When I say my other tvs don't have this problem, I'm talking about my other tvs with a direct feed of coax using their local tuners.

And I have even like you suspsected Comcast to be the problem so I removed comcast feed coming into my house. Setup a dvd player on channel 70 modulated and tuned to it on the TIvo and witnessed the flicker or changing brightness at random times.

Their is in fact some history of this problem as it is related to TIVO HD pixelation using cable cards and digital cable. See tivocommunity.com tivo hd pixelation thread. How this relates is it seems the tivo hd tuner needs attenuation put in line to lower receiving signal DB much lower than 0db as its internal TIVO AGC "automatic gain control" over drives the tuner causing the pixelation.

Since many users are not using analog, but cable cards I think thats why nobody has brought this issue up. I have a theory that not only does the internal AGC over drive the digitals, THE AGC sometimes overdrives the analogs creating the flicker or changing brightness. I have also observed the problem to be more frequent when sending the TIVO a stronger signal "less splits = less attenuation".
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post #4830 of 6251
10/5/08 at 11:48am
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Originally Posted by proudx View Post

yes I have tried multiple TVs "3 of them" with 5 different Tivo hds, all have this problem. When I say my other tvs don't have this problem, I'm talking about my other tvs with a direct feed of coax using their local tuners.

And I have even like you suspsected Comcast to be the problem so I removed comcast feed coming into my house. Setup a dvd player on channel 70 modulated and tuned to it on the TIvo and witnessed the flicker or changing brightness at random times.

Their is in fact some history of this problem as it is related to TIVO HD pixelation using cable cards and digital cable. See tivocommunity.com tivo hd pixelation thread. How this relates is it seems the tivo hd tuner needs attenuation put in line to lower receiving signal DB much lower than 0db as its internal TIVO AGC "automatic gain control" over drives the tuner causing the pixelation.

Since many users are not using analog, but cable cards I think thats why nobody has brought this issue up. I have a theory that not only does the internal AGC over drive the digitals, THE AGC sometimes overdrives the analogs creating the flicker or changing brightness. I have also observed the problem to be more frequent when sending the TIVO a stronger signal "less splits an attenuation".

Yes, there have been complaints about pixelation and even I have seen some from time to time. Recently our local CBS channel has been having some issues and OTA people have confirmed them, but I see it from time to time on other channels.

But the problem you describe on analog, no. I have seen pixelation a few times on analog.

I don't know how Comcast works but could it be possible that your signal is too strong? Has Comcast come out and checked all of your connections? You're theory of "it doesn't happen when I go right from the wall" may not cause a problem with your television sets but perhaps with TiVo.
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