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post #121 of 1630
i own an 84, but thought i'd post this here in case you folks know

hey gang, quick question that i've been meaning to ask and i can't seem to figure out.

what is the "DIAL NORM -4" function that is displayed sometimes when changing sources?

the nunmber after NORM seems to change sometimes and i can't seem to figure out how to adjust this. what is it and how do you control it?
post #122 of 1630
My guess is this is volume normalization. I haven't actually noticed this on my Pioneer but my Yamaha receiver did this constantly.
post #123 of 1630
is this something out of our control? i just want to understand it. i re-read the manual, but found nothing that talks about it, or i'm missing it completely.
post #124 of 1630
Beats me. if you figure it out, let us know
post #125 of 1630
Thread Starter 
In the Audioholics review of the 82 in the Conclusion section is the statement "Video conversion is a problem so until Pioneer works that out, you may have to limit yourself to using the same input for all your components."

What exactly does that mean???

I plan to use HDMI both in and out of the 82 for DVD and have the player do the upscaleing to 720P and plan to use component both in and out of the 82 for TV (D* H10 STB) and have the Pio do the upscaling of SD to 720P.

Is this not the best way to go???
post #126 of 1630
Hey Guys,

Finally got my 82 all hooked up this past weekend and everything seems to be fine. One question I have is what volume are you at for listening to different sources? I have the Orb audio Peoples Choice system hooked up to it and I seem to be listening to movies at around -30 to -15db. This volume seems plenty loud for someone who is not a loud movie or tv viewer. I usually have to tell others in the household that they dent need to listen to things too loud. But seeing how the volume goes from -80db to +12db, I am surprised that I am towards the top end of the volume for just normal use. From -80db to -50db I don't hardly hear anything at all. I have done the MACC, and thought that a big receiver like this would power things with ease. I think someone else on this thread has a similar setup. Just wondering what you guys are experiencing and whether this is normal or what?

Thanks
post #127 of 1630
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Originally Posted by PTDOCTOR View Post

Hey Guys,

Finally got my 82 all hooked up this past weekend and everything seems to be fine. One question I have is what volume are you at for listening to different sources? I have the Orb audio Peoples Choice system hooked up to it and I seem to be listening to movies at around -30 to -15db. This volume seems plenty loud for someone who is not a loud movie or tv viewer. I usually have to tell others in the household that they dent need to listen to things too loud. But seeing how the volume goes from -80db to +12db, I am surprised that I am towards the top end of the volume for just normal use. From -80db to -50db I don't hardly hear anything at all. I have done the MACC, and thought that a big receiver like this would power things with ease. I think someone else on this thread has a similar setup. Just wondering what you guys are experiencing and whether this is normal or what?

Thanks

this is normal
post #128 of 1630
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Originally Posted by pier0188 View Post

I checked out BBY last night, the only openbox/clearance stuff they have is a 71 series, which lacks many of the things I am looking for. They said that the 82 and 84 were new and not clearance/discontinued like other have said.

How do you bargain down an 82 series? I have a 12% off coupon, but he was pretty adamant that he wouldn't just come down in price, I even mentioned that I bought my 52" Toshiba dlp there and he didn't budge.

Also, one thing that sucks was that BBY apparently has changed it's open box policy, they are now giving out gift certs with OB purchases. This is pretty disappointing, considering the 71 series was missing the mic, remote, manual, and ipod connector. I am missing all of that and the best you can do is a $120 gift card? No thanks.

Anyway, I need some advice on how to get this thing below 1200, my wife's cut-off is 1000.


Got mine for 800 from a best buy w/ magnolia store...

they price matched this... I told them they had a store near by, they didnt bother to check at all... i probably got lucky though. dynaco
post #129 of 1630
Hooked it up to the HD-A1 through HDMI, sound is working but it is missing bass...

Is bass peak level the only kind of bass management there is ???

Going through forums but too much mixed info about settings...

Anyone have any advice for setting this reciever up w/ the HD-DVD player... reciever settings and HD-A1 settings???

Also I am getting Vertical lines running from the bottom of the screen to the top when converting from and component to the HDMI out. Anyone have this problem?

Also how do you turn the scaler off, and do you think this reciever is worth the price at 800 if I turn off all the scaling and converting?
post #130 of 1630
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Originally Posted by Rockokma View Post

Got mine for 800 from a best buy w/ magnolia store...

they price matched this... I told them they had a store near by, they didnt bother to check at all... i probably got lucky though.


I am going to try and pricematch to that store. I am going to be up in NYC next week and then again in 3 weeks. I'll use that as leverage in case they actually check the store to see if it's local. I am in VA, so NYC is only a few hours away.

Thanks for the heads up!!
post #131 of 1630
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Originally Posted by Rockokma View Post

Hooked it up to the HD-A1 through HDMI, sound is working but it is missing bass...

Is bass peak level the only kind of bass management there is ???

Going through forums but too much mixed info about settings...

Anyone have any advice for setting this reciever up w/ the HD-DVD player... reciever settings and HD-A1 settings???

Also I am getting Vertical lines running from the bottom of the screen to the top when converting from and component to the HDMI out. Anyone have this problem?

Also how do you turn the scaler off, and do you think this reciever is worth the price at 800 if I turn off all the scaling and converting?

The lack of bass issue you're experiencing seems to be normal.
A couple of fixes you can try,
Go into the Toshiba setup and lower all speaker levels except SUB.
Start with -7 for all speakers, but leave SUB at 0.
Or you can setup a separate MCACC setting for the Toshiba and boost the LFE
as much as needed.
Turn the scaler off using the Parameter button on the remote

dc
post #132 of 1630
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Originally Posted by DreamCatcher View Post

The lack of bass issue you're experiencing seems to be normal.
A couple of fixes you can try,
Go into the Toshiba setup and lower all speaker levels except SUB.
Start with -7 for all speakers, but leave SUB at 0.
Or you can setup a separate MCACC setting for the Toshiba and boost the LFE
as much as needed.
Turn the scaler off using the Parameter button on the remote

dc

Turning the resolution to "PURE" sets the scaler off I would suppose?

LFE? not sure what thats stands for, kinda a rookie at this. How would I turn this up and what exactly is it. Thank you
post #133 of 1630
whats the difference between turning the video conversion off and setting it to pure?
post #134 of 1630
Every time I try to play video through the 82 from my IPOD - the 82 takes over cuts it off and brings up the menu. The instructions say to run controls from my IPOD but the 82 keeps taking control of that. Puts PIONEER logo on IPOD screen and gives me an ok to disconnect message.

Anyone know how to get the IPOD video to play back?
post #135 of 1630
Hi,

I'm not sure where to begin but today when I turned on the 82 and my LCD TV. nothing shows up on the LCD TV. I reset both of them and nothing still shows up. I thought it was the TV so I connected oppo 970 to my tv directly through hdmi. That works perfectly. So it's gotta be the 82. I couldn't get anything out of the HDMI output port at all. I did a hardware reset as well (standby+av paramenter combo). OSD doesn't show up either. Any suggestion??

-RT
post #136 of 1630
Bleh.... I disconnected the 82TXs for about an hour and now HDMI output is working again... Any idea what could have caused this anomaly except user error? =( I tried using different HDMI cables before and it didn't help. Considering the unit is less than 3 months old (got it on labor day), I should probably not have problems if Pioneer has done proper quality control on their elite units. That designation doesn't mean much nowadays I suppose, just like all the major brands.
post #137 of 1630
Hello All,

I just purchased the 82 this week and am still in the process of fully setting it up. You will be able to tell by my questions that I'm very new at this whole thing, so here goes. I performed the Auto MCACC setup a couple of times, just to get everything straight. It figured out properly that I have 5.1 surround and not 7.1.

My problem is that when I'm choosing any of the THX settings, I only get sound from the center and front two speakers and the volume is very low. Has anyone else experienced this? Is there something I've done wrong or have not done in the setup?

Please help!!

James
post #138 of 1630
I have not streched its legs yet, but from what I have seen so far I am going to be very happy.

Very easy to set up, great sound, including the IPOD.

I hooked up all my components today including my Samsung HDMI upconvert DVD player and everything worked great first try.

With video scaling including 1080P pass through and 3 HDMI inputs, I should be set for a while.
post #139 of 1630
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Originally Posted by Mach1Man View Post

In the Audioholics review of the 82 in the Conclusion section is the statement "Video conversion is a problem so until Pioneer works that out, you may have to limit yourself to using the same input for all your components."

What exactly does that mean???

I plan to use HDMI both in and out of the 82 for DVD and have the player do the upscaleing to 720P and plan to use component both in and out of the 82 for TV (D* H10 STB) and have the Pio do the upscaling of SD to 720P.

Is this not the best way to go???

Video Conversion even without the scaling seems to degrade the signal even for HDMI sources. I have now given up on it and my component inputs go to component out and to the TV. Pioneer knows it does not work properly I have a case number on this issue. If you want it to work properly I suggest you contact Pioneer and get a case number if only a few of us complain they may not bother to fix it. Video conversion and the scaler were major features that influenced my buying decision.
post #140 of 1630
Thread Starter 
Yes so then if I use component in and out for D*H10 and have the 82 upscale SD to 720P and use HDMI in and out for DVD and have my sony 3100ES do the upscaling to 720P I should be OK then right??? Going to play around with various combos before I finalize the install but this is what I am leaning towards.

Thanks for the help.
post #141 of 1630
I have finally started playing with this thing and there is alot to work with, I like the MCACC although it set my fronts to large which I dont think they are.

I have not used the Scaler but have used the convertor. I have my DVD player hooked up with component and my DTV Receiver through SVideo until my HD version comes in with HDMI.

Anyway I have notices that there seems to be more green push then before. I am assuming that has something to do with the receiver, but it could also be the connection.

Before this receiver I went through my old reciever which was S Video all the way.

Any ideas?
post #142 of 1630
Does this receiver introduce artifacts if it is set to "pure" and only is used for switching purposes?

Thanks,

Frank T. Lee
post #143 of 1630
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Originally Posted by ftlee View Post

Does this receiver introduce artifacts if it is set to "pure" and only is used for switching purposes?

Thanks,

Frank T. Lee

Not that I have seen
post #144 of 1630
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Originally Posted by pbmpharmacist View Post

Not that I have seen

Me either.
post #145 of 1630
When I use THX Cinema Mode, the center channel seems to be at a lower volume level than the rest of the speakers. I keep wanting to turn just the center channel up. Anyone else notice this?

Thanks,

Frank
post #146 of 1630
Thread Starter 
Well I finally got around to hooking up my system today and I must say the 82 did something that hasn't been done before in this household.

It got my wife to actually notice a difference between 480P SD and SD upscaled to 720P over component. Looks much better to me also.

I also am running a straight HDMI feed out of my H10 because at least to my eyes HD looks better over HDMI than over component.

So far so good but have alot to learn. Also trying to program a harmony 628 (my first universal) so today was a rather frustrating day but I'm getting there. I'll be back with many questions in the days to follow..........
post #147 of 1630
I have an 82 on order to go with my my 5070 and Dish Vip622. Has anyone tried the SR+ cable mentioned in the manual to connect the plasma with the 82? The manual also mentions connecting the video sources directly to the plasma and audio sources through the 82 when using the SR+ link . . any idea why?
post #148 of 1630
Hi all,

I just finished grinding my way through this 82TXS thread and the 84TXSi thread. I had previously spent a pile of time trying to learn about the Yamaha, Harmon-Kardon, and Denon offerings, and was pretty much settled on the Denon 3806 or 2807, when I bumped into the Pioneer Elite discussions.

1) My number one is sound quality (care a lot about the sound) and I'm looking for something that leans towards neutral, but with clean and reasonably open highs. My general impression is Denon favors a somewhat warm and closed sound. I'm wondering how you folks would characterize the 82/84 (I'm presuming their sonics are the same).

2) Main reason for purchase is HDMI audio for my HD-DVD player. The receiver has to do a good sounding job with HDMI 5.1 and deliver a good video signal (no black or white damage) to my 2002 DVI-D XBR CRT display (1080i native). I curently have this display running very reliably off a Gefen splitter with HD-DVD (blacks and whites are good).

3) Also important is the performance of the 7.1 analog inputs, since they will be handling SACD and DVD-A from my modded Denon 2900.

4) My other sources are all 480i S-Video and component. Those sources will normally be delivering 4:3 material (including plenty of letterbox), so I'm wondering what video transcoding or scaling will really do for me.

(Reason I wonder is 720p/1080i are inherently HD formatted (16:9) and so I suspect upscaling will just distort my 4:3 images. Would the receiver zoom function (vertical stretch?) solve this problem for my 4:3 CRT display?)

5) How does 480i S-Video/component really look when transcoded/upscaled to 1080i HDMI? Is it best to leave it at 480? Any recommendations?

6) Also, I'm looking at HPDirect.com -- do I really need a service contract for Pioneer Elite? (Basically a reliabililty question.)

Thanks a bunch for any and all help

PS. I also posted this on the 84TXSi thread, but lack of any response suggests I also try here. I'm actually looking at purchasing the 82TXS.
post #149 of 1630
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Originally Posted by TrevorS View Post

Hi all,

I just finished grinding my way through this 84TXSi thread and the 82TXS thread. I had previously spent a pile of time trying to learn about the Yamaha, Harmon-Kardon, and Denon offerings, and was pretty much settled on the Denon 3806 or 2807, when I bumped into the Pioneer Elite discussions.

1) My number one is sound quality (care a lot about the sound) and I'm looking for something that leans towards neutral, but with clean and reasonably open highs. My general impression is Denon favors a somewhat warm and closed sound. I'm wondering how you folks would characterize the 82/84 (I'm presuming their sonics are the same).

2) Main reason for purchase is HDMI audio for my HD-DVD player. The receiver has to do a good sounding job with HDMI 5.1 and deliver a good video signal (no black or white damage) to my 2002 DVI-D XBR CRT display (1080i native). I curently have this display running very reliably off a Gefen splitter with HD-DVD (blacks and whites are good).

3) Also important is the performance of the 7.1 analog inputs, since they will be handling SACD and DVD-A from my modded Denon 2900.

4) My other sources are all 480i S-Video and component. Those sources will normally be delivering 4:3 material (including plenty of letterbox), so I'm wondering what video transcoding or scaling will really do for me.

(Reason I wonder is 720p/1080i are inherently HD formatted (16:9) and so I suspect upscaling will just distort my 4:3 images. Would the receiver zoom function (vertical stretch?) solve this problem for my 4:3 CRT display?)

5) How does 480i S-Video/component really look when transcoded/upscaled to 1080i HDMI? Is it best to leave it at 480? Any recommendations?

6) Also, I'm looking at HPDirect.com -- do I really need a service contract for Pioneer Elite? (Basically a reliabililty question.)

Thanks a bunch for any and all help

PS. I also posted this on the 84TXSi thread, but lack of any response suggests I also try here. I'm actually looking at purchasing the 82TXS.

Trevor, I have the 84TSX and I will try to address a couple of your questions. I have an HD-DVD player attached via HDMI to the receiver and HDMI out to a Pioneer 5070 and I can't detect any difference in picture in this configuration than when I had it directly attached to the 5070. The player is set on 1080i and it passes through to the panel without changing the resolution, regardless of what I have the scaler set to. I'm still playing with the scaler but to be honest, I don't notice any positive difference when the receiver scales vs the panel scaling. In fact, it looks worse when I take it to 480p or 720p using the 84TXS to scale 480i sources. I have a non-HD Dish satellite receiver and a Pioneer LD player both connected the the receiver using S-Video cables. I'm running the 84TXS at 1080i now but really have not watched too closely. I may just wind up turning the scaler off. As far as the sound goes, the speakers and room have more to do with that aspect than the receiver so I will only comment that I am happy with the power and features that the 84 provide. The auto setup was simple and I'm satisfied with my purchase.
post #150 of 1630
TrevorS,

Check out this thread...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=748890

Frank
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