The "Official" Pioneer Elite VSX-82TSX Owner's Thread - Page 44

I have a question about the PCM/HDMI firmware bug. I just realized that the Video Select / Standby button combo is actually documented in the manual. Originally I thought it was something made possible by the new firmware, but obviously it was there before.

So my question is, what was the actual bug? Was it that the "SW in +10" option was always there and just didn't work right when using PCM/HDMI? That seems to be the case -- I'm just trying to confirm.

I actually have the 81 model, but I believe other than the button combo being slightly different to activate "+10" the issue is the same.

I think the original poster meant HDMI not optical. Optical cannot do 5.1 PCM. I don't own an HD-DVD player. However, most movies with PCM track have it stored as 48kHz in BD. Only one BD concert disk has it at 96kHz. My receiver (HK 745) says 48kHz or 96kHz.

do all your Hd-DVD's come up as 96khz?
over HDMI on my A2 they don't?
wonder why

Transformers from my A3 shows PCM96.

Yeah all my HDDVDs come up as PCM96khz...like I said I have the HD-A1. Should I be worried or is the HDDVD player upsampling the HDDVDs to 96khz

Yes. Even though you are using the HDMI connection, set the optical one to "pcm". This will cause your multi-channel PCM tracks to be sent at 96 instead of 48.

May not sound logical, but I think it is due to a lack of processing power in the A2. "Dumbing" down the connection you are not using appears to allow the one you are to use more processing power.

Oh, wait a minute - you have an A1...No, it shouldn't make a difference.

Do you have your optical connection set to "pcm"?

Set this where? Sorry,


bob

I don't have the exact wording but its in the Audio setup (on the A2). I think its called something like Digital Audio Out Optical (or maybe SPDIF)...

Have both spdif and HDMI set too PCM and receiver still reads PCM96khz. Now I know the HDDVD player when it first came out only output 2 channel PCM when it first was released but I have the newest firmware so I don't think that should be a problem

Its not an issue on the A1. It will always output PCM at 96khz no matter what the spdif output is set to. It is just the 2nd gen+ players that have this limitation.

What "problem" do you have...?

Alright just making sure because I have my PS3 setup the same way and it just reads PCM on the receiver

Yes - most BluRay titles have their audio saved as raw 48khz PCM so that is correct.

Oh ok I was wondering why it didn't say PCM48khz then. I'm just trying to make sure I have it setup the right way

Now too get my firmware updated. Anyone have any experience with these guys

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My 74 got damaged by UPS and I am getting a 1k check later this week to cover it. I can get an 84 refurbed with full warranty for about 450 less than a new 94 on ebay. I am curious as to the differences between the 84 and 94??
Major differences at least.

Is is just number of HDMI inputs??

THanks

Here is another question. I know when I hit the AV Parameter button you're supposed to be able to play with the brightness levels, hue and what have you. Yet when I scroll through I see Res, V. Conv, HDMI and what have you. I checked this out on analog connectors and HDMI...no dice. Any chance this is a bug?

I went through the manual (page 66 and 67). They talk about it in there but its not showing up :\\

Do you have video conversion turned "on"?

I never mess with this stuff but those features probably require the video processor to be active.

Yeah but thats too have analog sources go through HDMI. I tried it with the scaller on and off still nothing

So you tried it with resolution set to something other than "pure" as well?

As I said I've never even tried to mess with these but there must be some other setting that is related to this functionality. Who knows what it is though...

Yeah I tried them all. 480p, 720p and 1080i...still nothing for those settings. When I take it out of pure mode it lets me play with the aspect ratio but that's about it. It would be real nice to be able to play with those settings considering I have a few products that could use their own settings.

interesting my 82 has no problem with the 24fps output from the ps3...but then my display can synch to it no problem.

anyone else?

That's the issue. If your display cannot handle the 24 frame rate you have a problem with the 82 in the middle. If you hook the PS3 directly to the display it works fine because the display tells the PS3 that it cannot take 24fps and the PS3 backs off to 60. But, when the receiver is in the middle of the chain, it is telling the receiver it cannot take the 24fps and it is probably just ignoring it. Or, at least, its not passing it down to the PS3.

The receiver has no problem passing the frame rate, it just is mucking up the communication between the display and source device.

fwiw, i dropped my 82 off at this place yesterday for the firmware update... we'll see how it goes, he said sometime next week...

interestingly, he said that he has had a BUNCH come in recently, apparently pio sent a letter out to owners about the problem...

No one figured out the settings issue i'm having huh

Quick question or actually looking for opinions.

I will use my direct example.

I recorded Led Zeppelin Live from VH1Classic. It is in SD. On the receiver I pressed S. Direct. It is playing in Stereo. It sounds really good.

My question is should I change modes? How would you listen to this?

Thanks

quoting myself...

got it back last night, hooked it up this afternoon... all seems to be well...

The 82 only has 3 HDMI inputs and I will be needing 4 probably after Christmas. Does anyone have an HDMI switch they could recommend?
I saw a few on PartsExperess.com ranging in price from $50 to $200.

I run 24p from the PS3 (and my HD-XA2) through my VSX-82 all the time. I don't have any problem like you describe. 24p should work fine.

I do get an occasional hiccup in the video (green and/or magenta flash) but it seems to happens with any 1080p input, be it 24 or 60 fps.

The problem isn't in the 24fps per se. You are correct that the 82 will pass it. But, what it won't do is pass down the handshake routine where the display tells the source that it cannot accept that 24fps. So, if you have a display that can't take the 24 and put the 82 in the middle of the chain you get no picture, while taking the 82 out of the chain will work fine.