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post #61 of 1630
I picked up the 84 vs the 82 this weekend and I'm very happy with the performance of the scaler. I'm taking my both SD sat box and LD player from 480i to 720p using the scaler. Both are S-Video connections and the difference is noticable as opposed to letting my display do the scaling. I think 720p looks better than 1080i on my Pioneer 5070. I'm not scaling DVD's, I think the scaler in the Toshiba HD DVD does a better job. I would guess the scaler is the same in the 82 and 84. FWIW!
post #62 of 1630
Iceman,

What was the deciding factor for picking the 84 over the 82? I have been comparing the two for awhile and decided the 84 wasn't offering anything I thought I would utilize. I still have 28 1/2 days to try out the 82 though :-)
post #63 of 1630
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Originally Posted by lstoker View Post

Iceman,

What was the deciding factor for picking the 84 over the 82? I have been comparing the two for awhile and decided the 84 wasn't offering anything I thought I would utilize. I still have 28 1/2 days to try out the 82 though :-)

Main thing was the additional HDMI inputs. I'm going to upgrade to Dish HD Sat and I assume that will come with HDMI. I'm also waiting on the new Blu-Ray players although the price will have to drop. The extra power is a "man law" thing, but I like it. Some of the HD DVD's are shipping with lower sound levels and I wanted to crank them up without being concerned with clipping. Plus my frat brother is the BB salesman..he did an upsell on me but he gave me a good price, $400 off list! I had to pay tax, unlike an internet seller but I don't have to worry about warranty.
post #64 of 1630
greetings all.

i went in last night on a new 82. i cant set it up until next week, but look forward to sharing my experience...and hopefully geting some much needed guidance!!

fyi, i worked out 30% off list at bb/magnolia. note: this was in addition to purchase of new sharp 46d62u.
post #65 of 1630
Iceman,

Let me know how the setup goes with your Dish Sat. I have the 82, Vip622, and a Samsung HP-42S73. The HDMI from the 622 to the 82 to the Samsung has a strange ghosting effect when changing channels. It works fine with the component connection.
post #66 of 1630
O.K. I'm getting my 82 TSX today its replacing an old Pioneer Elete VSX 09 TX (11 years old).
I plan on hooking up My DVD player and my HD cable box straight to my screen(samsung 5073) via HDMI. Then the optical from both of these to the 82 TSX for sound only. I will also hook up the 82 TSX to the screen via component cables for on screen programming and I pod video (if needed). The reason for this is my wife just wants to turn on the TV and the cable box or the DVD player. she does not want to mess with the receiver stuff.
Will I run into any problems this way? What do you guys think? I"m sure I will hook it up both ways just to check things out but this is the way it will probably end up.

H.HARRIS
post #67 of 1630
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Originally Posted by H.HARRIS View Post

I plan on hooking up My DVD player and my HD cable box straight to my screen(samsung 5073) via HDMI. Then the optical from both of these to the 82 TSX for sound only. I will also hook up the 82 TSX to the screen via component cables for on screen programming and I pod video (if needed).
H.HARRIS

Hi H.
I have a similiar equipment to you. I have the S4273. I wouldn't think you would run into any problems with what you suggested. I set mine up a little differently. I connected my HDMI output from my Sat box to the TV so my wife can just use the TV if she want, but I also connected the component out from my Sat box to the 82 (using the optical for sound) and my DVD player to the 82. I then connected my 82 using the HDMI cable to HDMI2 on the S4273. With this hookup I can run everthing through the receiver if I want or just the T.V.

I also picked up the Harmony 880 which made life much easier.

On a separte note do you have any issues with Image Retention using HDMI on your 5073?
post #68 of 1630
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Originally Posted by wlkingdude View Post

Hi H.
I have a similiar equipment to you. I have the S4273. I wouldn't think you would run into any problems with what you suggested. I set mine up a little differently. I connected my HDMI output from my Sat box to the TV so my wife can just use the TV if she want, but I also connected the component out from my Sat box to the 82 (using the optical for sound) and my DVD player to the 82. I then connected my 82 using the HDMI cable to HDMI2 on the S4273. With this hookup I can run everthing through the receiver if I want or just the T.V.

I also picked up the Harmony 880 which made life much easier.

On a separte note do you have any issues with Image Retention using HDMI on your 5073?

Hey wlkingdude thanks for your configuration!
I have no issues with IR or ghosting while using HDMI(or any input) on my set.
Harmony 880........ Just looked that up. I did not know the remotes were that nice.. The wife is gonna kill me! This all started 5 weekes ago with a new plasma screen. Since then its been all new $peaker$, a new DVD player, today its a new receiver, and now it looks like a new remote!!! I gotta stop hanging out arround here!!

H.HARRIS
post #69 of 1630
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Originally Posted by H.HARRIS View Post

Hey wlkingdude thanks for your configuration!
I have no issues with IR or ghosting while using HDMI(or any input) on my set.
Harmony 880........ Just looked that up. I did not know the remotes were that nice.. The wife is gonna kill me! This all started 5 weekes ago with a new plasma screen. Since then its been all new $peaker$, a new DVD player, today its a new receiver, and now it looks like a new remote!!! I gotta stop hanging out arround here!!

H.HARRIS

Tell me about it. I did the same thing you did but I did it all in one shot. The wife is scared to ask how much I spent and I'm scared to tell her. The Harmony was a life saver. It made it very easy for my wife and kids to use. I setup activities to watch tv only, watch DVD, Watch TV with stereo , Listen to iPod etc. If you are computer literate the web interface isnt' to hard to use. I'm told the Pronto remotes are even better than the Harmony but they are also more $$$.

The IR issues seems to be with my VIP622 DVR from Dish Network. I had originally purchased the Onkyo TX674 but it had compatability problems with the DVR using both HDMI and Component connectors. I took it back and spent $250.00 more and purchased the 82 which I like a lot better and it doesn't have the compatability issues with the component. I still have IR issues but it doesn't matter if I connect through the 82 or the directly to the T.V. I still have a lot to learn about the 82 and configuring it.
post #70 of 1630
You guys who own the VSx- 82 TXS would you still reccomend it as a good unit I plan to buy my first good unit and I'm considering this
post #71 of 1630
Thread Starter 
OK all I want my 82 to do is upscale SD out of my D* H10 and pass through 720P upscaled by my Sony DVP-NS3100ES to my Sony E50A10 that is native 720P. Now the questions.

1. I have to use component out of the H10 correct and not HDMI right???
2. What resolutions do I set the H10 to??? I also have OTA going into the H10 for local HD.
3. The 82 will pass through (without any processing) the DVD upscaled 720P thru HDMI out of the 3100ES into the 82 and HDMI out of the 82 to the TV correct??
4. Do I want to scale the SD to 720P or 1080I???
5. What setting do I use on the H10, the 82, and the TV to make this all happen???

Thanks for the help.
post #72 of 1630
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Originally Posted by Vengure View Post

You guys who own the VSx- 82 TXS would you still reccomend it as a good unit I plan to buy my first good unit and I'm considering this

Vengure,
I really like 82 but have only had if for about a week now and still have a lot to learn about it. But it was easy to setup and sounds great with my mirage speakers.
post #73 of 1630
anybody getting a "pop" sound with digital source set to auto and the tv switches from 2-channel pcm to dolby digital? it could be the tv station, but i'm starting to think it could be the receiver. it's done it about a half a dozen times now on NBC. while watching the today show this morning for example, after the last commercial when it switches back to the Today show, there's a short little pop through the speakers.

anybody?
post #74 of 1630
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Originally Posted by Mach1Man View Post

OK all I want my 82 to do is upscale SD out of my D* H10 and pass through 720P upscaled by my Sony DVP-NS3100ES to my Sony E50A10 that is native 720P. Now the questions.

1. I have to use component out of the H10 correct and not HDMI right???
2. What resolutions do I set the H10 to??? I also have OTA going into the H10 for local HD.
3. The 82 will pass through (without any processing) the DVD upscaled 720P thru HDMI out of the 3100ES into the 82 and HDMI out of the 82 to the TV correct??
4. Do I want to scale the SD to 720P or 1080I???
5. What setting do I use on the H10, the 82, and the TV to make this all happen???

Thanks for the help.

Mach1Man,
I am using the same sat receiver, I have connected the H10 to the 82 via componenet because the component input seems to allow the video scaler to operate better than using the HDMI input. You can use HDMI though. Just set the H10 to output all resolutions and set the 82 to transcode to whatever resolution you wish to use. If that is 720P, it will transcode the SD signals and passthrough the 720P and 1080i from the H10.
post #75 of 1630
Mini update...
Picked up my 82 TXS yesterday. Got home early and hooked it up. I let the MCACC do its thing. One word!!!! AMAZING!!! I expected to hear a difference from my last receiver but dang! I could not get the grin off my face . I played with all the settings and such. Had no problems with my Samsung 960 through HDMI. My COX HD Cable box only works with the component and not HDMI(not a suprise but it sucks).
Pulled out all my favorite DVDs and went to all the best scenes. Again truly amazing. The sound was more full sounding. I think I heard stuff I had not heard before. There is this one scene in House of Flying Daggers where the main girl is fighting off a bunch of guys with a broken up bamboo stick. she wacks this guy in the head and the sound from the left and left rear actually made me flinch! So crisp, sharp and seamless..... I truly thought my last receiver sounded great, until now that is!
So I have much to play with over the next few days/weeks. I'll post up any problems or questions along the way.
Thanks again guys for helping me with my purchase!

H.HARRIS
post #76 of 1630
The more I fool with this reciever, the goofier I realize it is. Features galore but between the HDMI and its off and on handshakes, the scaler and its total unpredictly.. good grief you never know what it is doing or if it is going to do it.

Just because it says scaling is on.. don't bet on it. Just because you turned it off, you may still be scaling. The thing could drive you nuts. It is one giant jigsaw puzzle of a switcher.. my goodness you may need months to figure out what it is going to do and when. Plug in an HD-A1 and things gets even weirder and buggier if that is possible.

The potential is there.. if I can get passed my lack of BTB on the Tosh.. it looks spectacular when scaled by the elite. Getting the Tosh to go in a 480 rez through HDMI when the scaler is on that is a trick... don't how I get it to do it the one time out ten I have tried. I might as well get myself a rubber chicken and do raindances aroud the two of them, probably just as effective. Perhaps this is an EDID thing

If you have been outputing through HDMI to your TV, then trying to run the component out port is probably not going to work too well. Mine has worked once or twice but I am still trying to figure that one out.

HDMI and HDCP are just a complete pain.I will report back if I crack that code, and yes I know that you can't run 1080i out of the Tosh, through component out. Maybe I am missing something here but with all the darned switching this receiver has, it is darned amazing that you can't specify your video out, let alone video out by input. How crazy is that?

If HDMI would handshake and sync right up, specifying your output port would not be such a problem. But watching the screen flash on an off for what seems like forever every time you switch inputs, change the scaler setting, or change resolutions gets more than a little bit annoying.

The classic is the one where you have sync at some rez lets say a 480 source with the scaler set to 1080i, then you decide to turn the scaler to off or to a 480p setting lets say, and all goes black. Yes, you can usually get sync back if you turn the scaler back to 1080i. But if you want it to display it at 480P, and if going to Pure Direct first before the scaling change does not work, you may have to power the receiver and the input device off then on several times. The next time you try to make that rez switch, the same sequence with the scaler works fine. Totally exasperating!! I don't understand why there is not an OSD for AV parmeters. No back lighting on the control either. Talk about fumbling around in the dark.
post #77 of 1630
Hey,
I just decided to go with vsx82 instead of onkyo 674 I have not bought it yet, but was wondering if anyone bought it at butterfly photo. Its about 250 dollars less but its not authorized dealer. Can some explain if it is worth paying 250 more for authorized.

Thanks
Caifan
post #78 of 1630
I saw one listed on audiogon, for $850, seller claims full warranty!
post #79 of 1630
Alright folks; the time has come. I'm unboxing the beast and setting it up.

Here is what I have right now:
TV: Sharp LC-46D62U
A/V: Pioneer Elite VSX-82TXS
Speakers: Orb Audio Mod1 5.1 (+Mod2 Center Channel)
Cable: Comcast Motorola DCT6412 HDDVR (Y/Pb/Pr/LR Audio; S-Vid; Optical SPDIF; Composite Video/LR Audio; Coax SPDIF)
VCR: Panasonic (Composite Hookups only)
Game: PS2

DVD: Yet to be purchased (likely Oppo...)

Full disclosure, this is my first time (my last setup was Panny HTIB SA-HT75). Growing up, everyone always said, "there are no stupid questions"...I have a feeling I'm about to ask a lot of stupid questions...

The first being...

Right now I have the Cable box directly into the TV over component into TV Input 2 with LR Analog Audio. While I have a call into comcast to get a cable box with better connectivity options (ideally, one with HDMI and Component); what is the best way to set up the cable box with the receiver right now?

I'm quite sure component for video, but what about audio? Can I even use the analog LR Audio with the component or do I need to use optical SPDIF?

Moving foward, if they grant me a newer box, I'd like to go with what was mentioned here in an earlier post - component from cable box to receiver and HDMI from cable box to TV - this would grant the wife the option of not fussing with the receiver when she wants to watch TV (until of course I motivate to get a decent remote)...

Thanks in advance,
Chris
post #80 of 1630
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Originally Posted by CAIFAN44 View Post

Hey,
I just decided to go with vsx82 instead of onkyo 674 I have not bought it yet, but was wondering if anyone bought it at butterfly photo. Its about 250 dollars less but its not authorized dealer. Can some explain if it is worth paying 250 more for authorized.

If you do not buy from an Authorised Dealer, then Pioneer is neither obliged to or likely to honor the Warranty. So you roll the dice and takes your chances!

As to the seller claiming full warranty that may be so, but its the seller claiming full warranty, not Pioneer Electronics.
post #81 of 1630
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Originally Posted by zoro View Post

I saw one listed on audiogon, for $850, seller claims full warranty!

Pioneer lists authorized internet sellers on it's website. I believe if you buy from unauthorized seller, you void your warranty...
post #82 of 1630
Does the 82 offer zone 2 video out and if so is it through component?

I'm trying to find a rcvr that can run HDMI to Panny projector in my theater room and also run component to LCD in the adjacent billiard room.

I know the Yammy 2700 can do this, what about Pioneer Elites?

Thanks much!
post #83 of 1630
Thanks for starting this thread - man it was tough finding info in the 84 thread.

Also, thanks for helping me solve my scaler issue!!! Pio had no answer - neither did my Auth Dealer. I've had my 82 for over a month and I kept getting a bright blue line down the right side and a bright green line along the top on DVD's and some SD channels if I set the output to 720p - to match my HS51A. In order to get rid of it I had to change the setting to 1080i (bringing in my HS51A scaler) - well you guys figured out this 82 CAN NOT handle 480p/720p.... thank you! As soon as I turned off the p-scan on the DVD and disabled 480p/720p on cable/sat - no more blue/green lines!!!

Now that that mystery is solved - I still have it set to 1080i - changing the output to 720p seemed to provide duller/less saturated color Has anybody else experienced that?

Oh well, at least I know the scaler is working - I thought I had a bad unit.

I love MCACC - easy, and does a nice job - I love that I can save multiple settings depending on where in the room I'm sitting.

Love the THX - really seems to tame some occasional "screetching" (ei: Gladiator - when Maximus throws the sword at the Pretorian from rear to front)

Thanks again.
post #84 of 1630
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Originally Posted by cdistasi View Post

Pioneer lists authorized internet sellers on it's website. I believe if you buy from unauthorized seller, you void your warranty...

If so, then pay extra for your peace/piece of mind, I guess!
post #85 of 1630
AVR-3806 vs VSX-82

I recently ate a 15% restocking fee after returning a Denon AVR-3806 for a VSX-82....and methinks it was well worth it.

Points's for the Elite over the Denon:

1. The Remote-not as cool as the Denon-but easier to use.

2. MCAAC > Audessy - There's 5 (vs 3) different configs you can save. Audessy results didn't do much for me. MCACC allowed me to watch The Island on the first night that I had the 82----w/o futzin with *ANY* settings for 2 hours. There's nothing the GF hates more than a setup screen in the middle of a movie.

3.Sound-warm laidback easy sound-rich bass--way less fatiging than the Denon (though the Denon had plenty of power/ potential with the right speakers)



That'smetwocents.
post #86 of 1630
Hi,
I'm considering this receiver (main thought being whether to go with this or step down to Onkyo 674), and just came accross this review on Audioholics. http://www.audioholics.com/productre...SX-82TXSp1.php
The reviewer mentions problems with artifacts when using the receivers video conversion and HDMI. If I get this receiver, it's mainly due to the up to date HDMI compatibility, so I want to use it. What do owners think about the statements in this review (which is overall very positive).
Thanks for your thoughts,
Bryan
post #87 of 1630
Does the 82 accept 1080p through component? If so, with the scalar turned OFF, would it pass the signal out the HDMI? I ask because my MITS 65732 will not accept 1080p through component, but will through HDMI. I will have a device (XBOX 360) that will output 1080p through component only.
Thanks in advance for any help.
post #88 of 1630
I'm a newbie and need some help. I have an HDMI coming from my DVD (Oppo) player to the 82. Another HDMI goes from the 82 to the TV. If I want to watch a DVD I have to select HDMI 1 (which is where the input goes). How do I configure the set-up menu so I can select the dedicated DVD button on the remote instead of scrolling through to HDMI? I think it's in the "other inputs" menu but I can't figure it out. Thanks in advance!
post #89 of 1630
I have a Pioneer Eilte 82, Oppo DVD, JVC HDFN97 TV, and a 5.1 speaker system (SVS sub and Rocket speakers). I have HDMI running from DVD to receiver, and optical out from TV to receiver. I set up the receiver using MCACC, and I get audio tones out of side surrounds. The oppo set up is down->5.1, and HDMI->raw (which is what Oppo instructions receommends when using HDMI and a 5.1 system). Speakers are wired correctly, or MCACC tones wouldnt be so clearly heard, right?

My question is, when i watch movies OR HDTV, I get minimal if any sound out of sides when in standard surround. I tried changing the speaker level controls via MCACC, with little improvement. Last night, I switch to advanced surround-->7-channel and finally have good sound out of surrounds without changing MCACC settings.

So..I am doing something wrong? Why doesn't standard surorund give me much sound out of side speakers during movies or TV? I am confused, but happy that I seem to be getting some sound out of these speakers. i was beginning to feel like i spent alot of $$ for a pretty box to hang on the wall!
post #90 of 1630
I have had this rec. just over a week now. Audio wise it is awesome, loads of clean detailed power and a nice upgrade from my old Denon 3802.
But, I do have a few issues, the scaler is one and is a work in progress(sd content without the scaler is unwatchable, but set correctly works fine). Watching an SD DVD, Denon 2900 with component connection to Elite 82, there was a fine line of distortion running through the screen, bottom to top. I also see this from SA8300HD but this goes away with a res. change. Both are connected through component and all is routed through the 82 and HDMI out to tv.

The second issue is lack of .lfe from HD-DVD's through the Toshiba HD-A1. I have changed the players settings to large speakers and no sub and this helps but the impact is just not there. This could be the HD-DVD player, or the HDMI input in the 82, only a return will tell for sure. The sounds and impact, punch, details and Woooooooohaaaaaaaaaaaa sound is there in spades from the 2900. This is connected through digital coax for sound. So I know the rec. is fine, well except the HDMI in as I have tried all 3 inputs same results. I am returning the HD player soon and getting a GEn2 player. I will report back, if it's the player I don't want to bad mouth the 82 here.
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