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post #31 of 244
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Originally Posted by BLS View Post

Since you mentioned Fleetwood Mac, did you notice the extra instruments in the DVD-Audio that are not present in the cd?

I was curious technically why they were absent in the vinyl and cd and I was guessing that they were put back in the DVD-Audio because you could actually distinguish the instruments.

I haven't listened to it in awhile, but I think you can tell on one of the first few songs.

As for live, is The Eagles Hell Freezes Over on DVD-Audio or Sacd? That is one clean recording on DVD-Video! Cream's not bad either.

I do have the Fleetwood Mac CD...I will check out the differences and report back. I didn't notice but I only very recently purchased the DVD-Audio version.

I don't have HFO on DVD-Audio or SACD however it does sound great on the DTS DVD...I'm not quite as impressed with Hotel California as many on this forum. I just think the mix could be more agressive for the musical content. It still sounds much better than the CD though.Eric
post #32 of 244
Hell Freezes over has never been released on DVD-A or SACD as far as I know. It has been released as DVD-V, CD and DTS-CD.

Chris
post #33 of 244
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Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard View Post

Hell Freezes over has never been released on DVD-A or SACD as far as I know. It has been released as DVD-V, CD and DTS-CD.

Chris

I wonder how this one is going to be. It's The Eagles: Farwell Tour 1 - Live in Melbourne being releasen on HD-DVD. If it has Dolby TrueHD as the audio track it should have dvd-a quality capabilities.
post #34 of 244
I must have listened to Rumours a thousand times and the first time I listened to the DVD-Audio I noticed it immediately.

Track three, "Never going back again" just under one minute into the song there is an extra lead guitar part. Check it out.

I would love to know if this was there in the original master tapes or added when the DVD-Audio was made. I don't beleive it was on the LP or the cd.

Tell me what you think.
post #35 of 244
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Originally Posted by BLS View Post

I must have listened to Rumours a thousand times and the first time I listened to the DVD-Audio I noticed it immediately.

Track three, "Never going back again" just under one minute into the song there is an extra lead guitar part. Check it out.

I would love to know if this was there in the original master tapes or added when the DVD-Audio was made. I don't beleive it was on the LP or the cd.

Tell me what you think.


No doubt! The guitar sounds added and also another instrument either a snare drum or macaracca type instrument...sweet. I was suprised how good the cd sounded. I listend to the track once in stereo and once in PL2x and was suprised how much seperation it had. Then the DVD-Audio blew it away though.Eric
post #36 of 244
Another recommendation: The DVD (video) that comes with BT's This Binary Universe CD has a 5.1 DTS mix (768kbps stream) of the entire album (with some trippy video synced to it) that is outstanding. It's not "high res", but it's really captivating and well mixed.
post #37 of 244
I am surprised no one mentioned Santana Supernatural DVD-A.

My favourites:
Eagles Hotel California
Santana Supernatural
Blue Man Group Complex
Pink Floyd DSOTM

As for Eagles Farewell Tour, I can't say about the HD-DVD relaease but the DVD version was highly disapointing compared to Hell Freezes Over. One possible explanation is that the former is a real live concert and the latter is recorded in a more "control enviroment'. HFO DTS is the DVD closest to DVD-Audio that I have heard.

FW
post #38 of 244
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Originally Posted by David Scott View Post

I wonder how this one is going to be. It's The Eagles: Farwell Tour 1 - Live in Melbourne being releasen on HD-DVD. If it has Dolby TrueHD as the audio track it should have dvd-a quality capabilities.

It is supposed to have a TrueHD track. It just seems stupid to me to release a concert (or any film for that mater) HD-DVD/BD without lossless sound. The DTS track already sounds great so lossless 5.1 will be that much better and add to that the increase in PQ. Also Heart - Alive in Seattle is coming to HD-DVD with True-HD track. So it should have about the same SQ as the SA-CD.
post #39 of 244
Iwongf, I totally agree! With the standard set so high on Hell Freezes Over, it was a letdown on Farewell Tour.
post #40 of 244
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Originally Posted by BLS View Post

Iwongf, I totally agree! With the standard set so high on Hell Freezes Over, it was a letdown on Farewell Tour.

You are comparing apples and oranges. HFO was a studio album recorded before a small selected grope of fans. Many of the songs were stop, started, repeated from deferent points then edited to get the best recording which can't be done in a live concert. Farewell Tour is a traditional large venue concert recording.
post #41 of 244
What's a "Grope of Fans"?

Just making fun, I misspelll too.

I've only watched Farewell once and not even all the way through. I agree, live concerts are very difficult to get good sound. But there are many talented engineers/sound people who work very hard to make it the best they can. Diana Krall, Live in Paris was good. Is that one out on DVD-Audio or Sacd?

When I like a DVD concert a lot I extract the audio and put it on cd to listen to in the car
post #42 of 244
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Originally Posted by BLS View Post

What's a "Grope of Fans"?....

....Diana Krall, Live in Paris was good. Is that one out on DVD-Audio or Sacd?

Fans that can touch you. .

No but I would also love to see Live in Paris on HD-DVD/BD with TrueHD.
post #43 of 244
Her voice does things to me I can't talk about...
post #44 of 244
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Originally Posted by BLS View Post

What's a "Grope of Fans"?

Just making fun, I misspelll too.

I've only watched Farewell once and not even all the way through. I agree, live concerts are very difficult to get good sound. But there are many talented engineers/sound people who work very hard to make it the best they can. Diana Krall, Live in Paris was good. Is that one out on DVD-Audio or Sacd?

When I like a DVD concert a lot I extract the audio and put it on cd to listen to in the car

No, "Live in Paris" is not available on SACD or DVD-A. Diana Krall does have several DVD-A's and SACD's. I have "When I Look in Your Eyes" on SACD and "The Girl in the Other Room" on DualDisc DVD-A. I also own the DVD-V concert from Montreal. I like all of them really well.

Chris
post #45 of 244
How would you compare Montreal to Paris as fara as sound quality?

Live in Paris was my first exposure to Diana and I was hooked. I have the Look of Love SACD dual disc. I'm not a fan of every song she does, but I love the talent.
post #46 of 244
Wow - this took a lot of thought. I'm not used to that! Let me count down backwards with an explanation where appropriate:

10: Donald Fagen - The Nightfly (DVD-Audio)
This is one of two DVD-Audios on my list but it's my favorite 5.1 mix of any of the Steely Dan/Fagen releases (although Gaucho is reeeeeeal close). New Frontier gives me goosebumps.

9. Elton John - Goodbye Yellow Brick Road (SACD)

8. Vince Guaraldi Trio - A Boy Named Charlie Brown (Stereo SACD)
This is a fantastic performance plain and simple, and when you consider that it's over 40 years old, it is just astonishing as to the resolution, the warmth, and clarity. What is it about piano that reproduces so wonderfully in SACD?

quick note: I don't have A Charlie Brown Christmas on SACD (or the Monster Super-Duper Disc version for that matter) so maybe one of those would replace this entry? I've been struggling with which one to get and my indecision is getting the best of me. Anyone have any insights? Did Monster nail it?

7. Oscar Peterson (SACD Stereo) Exclusively For My Friends Vol I-VI
This six disc collection has to be bought individually which is unfortunate, but well worthwhile if you're a Peterson fan. Again, we're talking about recordings from the 60's, but it feels like it could have been recorded yesterday. It's like getting a private concert, which was basically the venue for the recording.

6. Moody Blues - Days of Future Passed (DTS Audio)
Immersive orchestral-pop recording with great 5.1 Surround Mix.

5. Boys II Men - II (DTS)
Ok, there goes my street cred right out the virtual window. This is a guilty pleasure to be sure, but let me frame it properly. This was one of the first DTS Surround Sound mixes/releases ever made. I remember playing this oh-so-many years ago on this ridiculously expensive Sherwood Newcastle receiver that I bought back in the day that was the first to offer BOTH DTS and Dolby Digital playback!! This was the demo disc that Sherwood used with DTS reps in the room to introduce the receiver. I was blown away then, and it's still a great demo disc because of the incredibly aggressive surround mix. Those that have heard it will understand. Drums stereo separated in the back surrounds; harmonies isolated vocal by vocal and sent to individual speakers; an unbelievable effort.

4. Queen - A Night at The Opera (DVD-Audio)
Need I say more? Great 5.1 mix.

3. Toy Matinee - Toy Matinee (DTS)
Cult pop fave with fantastic 5.1 playback. I wouldn't expect anything less from a pop band co-fronted by well known producer Patrick Leonard. The lead singer Kevin Gilbert died way too young and I just feel sooo lucky that I was able to see him live a couple of times before the end. This album is a great testament to his talents although I heartily recommend searching out his internet-only released posthumous album The Shaming Of The True or his incredible cover of Kashmir if you can find it. One more DTS-related tangent would to recommend Patrick Leonard's soft jazz release Rivers which also has a gorgeous soundstage in 5.1.

2. Beck - Sea Change (SACD)

This is about as defining an SACD release as I have ever heard. It is both state of the art (with original production by Nigel Godrich) and completely immersive. Kudos to those that have also placed it on their list because it is certainly not the most commercial, or accessible of Beck's catalog and yet is so rewarding for those that don't mind a more introspective, quieter Beck. Wow.

1 Talk Talk - Spirit Of Eden (SACD)

This is the reason that I decided to come out of the woodwork to post. This album was not on a single list, and I would either venture that it's because people didn't know it was available on SACD (it's a hard to find European only pressing along with The Colour of Spring) or because you all think Talk Talk was just that 80's band that sang the new-wave hit "All you wanna do is Talk Talk...Talk Talk Talk Talk.etc". For those of you in the latter camp, please look at the rest of my list and understand that I take this seriously and wouldn't put an 80's pop group as my #1. These guys took a redefining left turn when they were at their most successful and lost their recording contract with EMI as a result of this release! While this was an "Alternative" CD in only the most technical sense, it is the most beautiful, poetic, and challenging soundscape I have ever heard. To underline a point, their eventual followup (Laughing Stock) was released on Verve (although that was also an odd pairing)!

A psychedelic, organic, swirling 6 song opus that goes on for about 45 minutes with one song blending into the next, this has a very Dark Side of the Moon feel to it, and highly recommended for those that love that album or Sea Change. It's the perfect album to play from beginning to end on a quiet night with the lights out, candles lit and no distractions.

This is one of those rare recordings that takes the listener to another place and the elitest secrecy of knowing you're one of the few that know about this treasure makes it all the more special. Seek this out.

Cheers (and while I'm hiding under my desk, I welcome your comments)

Robb

P.S. As one quick aside, I would certainly have placed Pink Floyd's DSotM on the list but I have to be honest, I don't have a multichannel mix of it as yet so I didn't think it fair to include something I haven't heard. I have a Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs Gold CD version of it from many moons ago, and that has been the recording I have treasured of it thus far. I'm sure I will pick up the SACD eventually and especially with the validation now of seeing it appear on so many other's lists!!
post #47 of 244
Nice thread !

Diana Krall live in Montreal is not really a good one. She looks tired. Live from Paris also have the additional orchestra, so no contest.
post #48 of 244
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Originally Posted by RobbW View Post

2. Beck - Sea Change (SACD)

I noticed that Sea Change is available in both SACD and DVD-A. Is there any difference in the multichannel mixes? On the off chance that somebody's heard both, is one superior to the other?

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1 Talk Talk - Spirit Of Eden (SACD)

Spirit of Eden is indeed a classic, groundbreaking, incredibly influential album, the spiritual forebear of bands like Radiohead and Sigur Ros. I was working at a college radio station back when it came out and I remember doing an interview with Sarah McLachlan in which she raved about the then just-released LP. If I recall, it was kind of an underground, college radio hit at the time and then it faded away from the mainstream, but it made a lasting impression on serious music people--writers, artists and fans.

I listened to a CD version for the first time in 15 years recently and I thought it sounded a little dated, but I think that's only because I was unconsciously comparing it to all the state-of-the-art contemporary recordings that have followed in its wake. If any album was made for multichannel, Spirit of Eden is it.
post #49 of 244
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Originally Posted by ryewhiskey View Post

I noticed that Sea Change is available in both SACD and DVD-A. Is there any difference in the multichannel mixes? On the off chance that somebody's heard both, is one superior to the other?

I have just the SACD and understand the mix is the same on the DVD-A. It is funny to think someone would own both but you might find somebody with both that can do a comparison. The SACD is excellent in my opinion.

Chris
post #50 of 244
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Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard View Post

I have just the SACD and understand the mix is the same on the DVD-A. It is funny to think someone would own both but you might find somebody with both that can do a comparison. The SACD is excellent in my opinion.

Chris


Probably th emost likely would be a reviewer, many of which frequent these forums, would own, or at least have listend to both versions... Getting them to respond might be another issue (;
post #51 of 244
RobbW, I have the SACD version of DSOTM and prefer the older stereo version much more. Something about the SACD version that just does not appeal to me. When I listen to the stereo version there are parts that make me literally jump like when all the clocks are chiming, but the SACD version does not have that impact at all. I still like WYWH better than DSOTM too for some reason. JMO.

Looks like I really need to Beck "Sea Change". It's been on my list for quite some time, but I haven't got it yet.
post #52 of 244
These are my top choices with my favorite being at the top but the rest are in no specific order.

1. Seal DVD-A greatest hits set. My favorite track on this is without a doubt the song called "Future Love Paradise" as I think this mix is a pure work of art. I think I enjoy this disc more than all the others. Also Human Beings and Crazy are also very very good mixes as well.

2. PF DSOTM SACD and Time is my favorite song.
3. Nine Inch Nails Closer album on DualDisc is also great IMO.
4. I also love Heart: Alive in Seattle and my favorite song is "These Dreams".
5. Elton John: GBYBR and Peachtree Road are great as well.
6. I also got a Gloria Estefan on SACD I'm really liking it.
7. Eagles: Hell Freezes over DTS is also very very good for DTS.

These are my favs off the top of my head but I wanted to talk about one music DVD that IMO is great great great considering its just DD5.1 and DTS 5.1. This DVD is about 10 bucks at Wal-Mart and its Bon Jovi This Left Feels Right Live. On the back of the DVD it says it was filmed on November 14 and 15, 2003 at the Borgata Hotel Casino and Spa in Atlantic City, New Jersey. The surround mix for Bed of Roses and Bad Medicine are just mind blowing IMO.

I do plan to buy the Talking Heads Little Creatures disc though which I did find at my local Best Buy but started looking at something else and forgot lol.
post #53 of 244
Thanks for the validation Rye...the 5.1 mix of Spirit of Eden is absolutely breathtaking. When you consider how many different instruments were used (I believe the credits showed almost 20), it was perfect for the SACD treatment because now you can really hear all the detail to the soundstage, and each instrument is clearly defined without being done in a gimmicky way.

It's funny, I decided to have a peek at Amazon to see if they had music clips for those that were curious, and they do. However, because each song is so extended and has such dramatic changes from instrumental, to soft vocal, to forceful and cathartic, it's almost impossible to listen and get anything out of a 30 sec clip. In fact, the album almost sounds instrumental if just gauged by the clips online. hehehe Oh well, the customer reviews tell the story of how special an album this is. I hope others will find this out for themselves.

Jim, you'll love Sea Change and apparently it doesn't matter which version you get. It's just a great, great mix and an excellent album as well. You'll dig it.

Best,

RobbW
post #54 of 244
Just wanted you to know I picked up the Talking Heads Little Creatures dualdisc at Best Buy and I'm really liking it. I also picked up a Billy Joel: The Essential Video Collection DVD and so far I think the sound is quite good. All songs are Dolby Digital 5.1 surround sound which is the best I'll get as Billy Joel doesn't have any SACD, DVD-A, DTS or DualDiscs so I take what I can get. The first song Piano Man is a NY live concert video with pretty good sound but not much LFE action. The rest of the vidoes I've seen have been the music videos and not live feeds. I feel the sound IMO is much better with the videos with a few songs really standing out. Also you must know that if you get this DVD your getting it for sound as the video is just horrid horrid horrid.

Uptown Girl IMO is by far the best sounding son I've heard. I also like My Life, The Longest Time and Allentown. I won't deny that things could be much much better but I just love Billy Joel music so any 5.1 DVD that had all of these songs had to at least be tried by me and thus far I have no regrets about paying the 15 bucks for it. Best Buy at two locations (Salem and Manchester, NH) has an entire section near the music section (not the DVD movie section) that says Music DVDs with tons of artists and I've found many gems in this section such as Bon Jovi that has great sound and even better video. I've looked and many of them do have 5.1 mixes but some could be very bad so I wouldn't spend much money just trying them unless its an artist you really really like that doesn't have any SACD titles etc.
post #55 of 244
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Just wanted you to know I picked up the Talking Heads Little Creatures dualdisc at Best Buy and I'm really liking it. I also picked up a Billy Joel: The Essential Video Collection DVD and so far I think the sound is quite good. All songs are Dolby Digital 5.1 surround sound which is the best I'll get as Billy Joel doesn't have any SACD, DVD-A, DTS or DualDiscs so I take what I can get. The first song Piano Man is a NY live concert video with pretty good sound but not much LFE action. The rest of the vidoes I've seen have been the music videos and not live feeds. I feel the sound IMO is much better with the videos with a few songs really standing out. Also you must know that if you get this DVD your getting it for sound as the video is just horrid horrid horrid.

Uptown Girl IMO is by far the best sounding son I've heard. I also like My Life, The Longest Time and Allentown. I won't deny that things could be much much better but I just love Billy Joel music so any 5.1 DVD that had all of these songs had to at least be tried by me and thus far I have no regrets about paying the 15 bucks for it. Best Buy at two locations (Salem and Manchester, NH) has an entire section near the music section (not the DVD movie section) that says Music DVDs with tons of artists and I've found many gems in this section such as Bon Jovi that has great sound and even better video. I've looked and many of them do have 5.1 mixes but some could be very bad so I wouldn't spend much money just trying them unless its an artist you really really like that doesn't have any SACD titles etc.

Billy Joel has a couple SACD's floating around...not sure if they are still making them but they are around.
post #56 of 244
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Originally Posted by lwongf View Post

I am surprised no one mentioned Santana Supernatural DVD-A.

As for Eagles Farewell Tour, I can't say about the HD-DVD relaease but the DVD version was highly disapointing compared to Hell Freezes Over. One possible explanation is that the former is a real live concert and the latter is recorded in a more "control enviroment'. HFO DTS is the DVD closest to DVD-Audio that I have heard.

FW

I agree that Supernatural is a good DVD-A but disagree that the Farewell Tour is less enjoyable than HFO. I like both, but prefer the former to the latter. YMMV.
post #57 of 244
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Originally Posted by highnine View Post

With all of the great input that people are providing, I thought I would share. Although people's taste in music varies, I higly reccomend anything in the top five as they show off their medium and your equipment very well.

Highnine


01: Miles Davis "Kind of Blue" JAZZ SACD
A jazz masterpiece performed by one of the jazz masters that now breathes new life in high definition with subtle surrounds that enhance the experience.

02: Dire Straits "Brothers in Arms" ROCK SACD
Every element of the band's performance is exposed in a new way with a well done surround mix that does not compromise the original stereo mix.

03: Pink Floyd "Dark Side Of The Moon" ROCK SACD & DVDA
A classic rock album that comes alive in both its stereo and multi-channel renditions.

04: Mickey Hart "Best of: Over the Edge and Back" WORLD/PERCUSSION DVDA
Mickey Hart takes some of his best songs over the years and personally creates an excellent surround mix that opens them up to another level.

05: Depeche Mode "Violator" ELECTRONIC SACD
Brings out the subtleties present in these songs that would otherwise make them sound flat, with a well made surround mix that expands the music without changing it.

06: Kraftwerk "Minimum-Maximum" ELECTRONIC SACD
A clear recording of a live concert with a clean produced quality and a playful surround mix to boot from the granddaddy of elektronik musik.


I wanted to weigh in on "Kind of Blue"....excellent. Others that are very good are Mozart's "Requiem" (already mentioned) and Hiromi's "Brain" and "Spiral". Also, Dredg's "El Cielo" is awesome if you like their music.

All of these are very listenable both intently and as background (with the exception of Dredg, not really a background type sound).

Buck
post #58 of 244
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Originally Posted by Schwingding View Post

........Mozart/Requiem: The Berlin Philharmonic conducted by Herbert Von Karajan.........

Eh. There are much better performances and better-sounding modern recordings than that oldie. For example:
Concentus Musicus Wein/Harnoncourt/DHM-RCA (SACD)
Scottish Chamber Orch/Mackerras/Linn (SACD)
Netherlands Bach Society/van Veldhoven/Channel Classics (SACD)
post #59 of 244
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Eh. There are much better performances and better-sounding modern recordings than that oldie. For example:
Concentus Musicus Wein/Harnoncourt/DHM-RCA (SACD)
Scottish Chamber Orch/Mackerras/Linn (SACD)
Netherlands Bach Society/van Veldhoven/Channel Classics (SACD)


Thanks Kal,

Do you have a preference for one of the above mentioned recordings? Do you own one or all of them?

Thanks,
Buck
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Originally Posted by Buck94 View Post

Thanks Kal,

Do you have a preference for one of the above mentioned recordings? Do you own one or all of them?

Thanks,
Buck

I own all these and more (including the von Karajan)! I think the Channel Classics is the best recording but the Linn is the best modern performance. The RCA with Harnoncourt is the M-O-R selection and is quite good. Mind you, these descriptions are with respect tol mch recordings only.
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