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post #91 of 183
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Originally Posted by FrankJ.Cone
ACK I thought you could control your char with the nunchuck! YOU JUST RUINED MY WII HIGH!!!!!!!
Me too...I had figured the game would at least hold me over a week or two :(
post #92 of 183
Did people honestly expect games to be $30? Tons of Gamecube games launched at $40 and millions of people bought them. Why would Nintendo sell next gen games cheaper than last gen?

I would've rathered the console been $199.99 but I'd also rather get my lunch at Chipotle for 4 dollars instead of the 6 they charged me.

$60.00 for a controller seems steep but when you consider all the R&D that went into them, $60 seems pretty logical.

MS and Sony aren't giving anything away and I doubt they plan on it. Why should Nintendo be any different?
post #93 of 183
Anyone know how long the cord is for the sensor that goes on/under your TV? Does anyone know if there are extender solution for folks with AV racks in the back or outside the room they will be playing in?
post #94 of 183
50 dollar games is not a bargain. If you look chances are you can find 360 games well below that newly released...Nintendo NEVER does that to their games...So according to MSRP it looks good compared to other the next gen consoles game pricing but in reality it wont be.....

To the guy who said by the time he will get a Wii Zelda might be a player choice good luck with that...It took Mario Kart DD up until late last year to get a price drop from 50 to 30....Nintendo isnt generous in price cuts when it comes to their games...F'n bastards! <---I say that with strong emotion towards the company.
post #95 of 183
Excellent news. I was hoping for a little sooner but pre-thanksgiving is good.
Now they should really start taking pre-orders.
post #96 of 183
One thing I am disappointed with is that it doesn't play DVDs. The main controller is a remote! Really, how much simpler could the control of playback have been? If Nintendo was trying to make this the center of the family living room why not? Not that we (avsforum members) would need to use the Wii to watch movies. But what about the casual gamer (Nintendo's target) market that would like a "all in one" gaming device?
post #97 of 183
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Originally Posted by C Dub
One thing I am disappointed with is that it doesn't play DVDs. The main controller is a remote! Really, how much simpler could the control of playback have been? If Nintendo was trying to make this the center of the family living room why not? Not that we (avsforum members) would need to use the Wii to watch movies. But what about the casual gamer (Nintendo's target) market that would like a "all in one" gaming device?

The didnt integrate movie playback because it would have been to expensive. :D
post #98 of 183
Yeah
post #99 of 183
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Originally Posted by rdank
Wii Sports is nothing more than a tech demo. Folks will get tired of it fast. You don't even move your player around the screen. You just swing the tennis racket, baseball bat, etc at the right time. Nothing else.
You want to think that way? what was duck-hunt other than a light-gun demo? how many freaking hours did most of us spend playing that? I think some of those types of games tend to be the most fun. Nothing complex, no convoluted gameplay... just do this and have fun doing it.

Thats not to say I don't love Dead Rising or WoW when its time, but I'd like to think I can appreciate a broad spectrum of games.

EDIT: Oh and to those talking about DVD playback.. c'mon guys seriously, what benefit does that have for the average AVS member? like it would really be up to snuff, or upsample properly (considering it couldn't upsample at all ;))
post #100 of 183
I have eighteen DVD players in my house (slight exaggeration intended), I could care less if the Wii plays DVD's.
post #101 of 183
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Originally Posted by aC39
You want to think that way? what was duck-hunt other than a light-gun demo? how many freaking hours did most of us spend playing that? I think some of those types of games tend to be the most fun. Nothing complex, no convoluted gameplay... just do this and have fun doing it.
You certainly could be right. I don't think it will go over very well, but who knows? Some people get excited over playing the NES games...which I think will bore most people after the initial "oh man, I can play excitebike again" wears off. I say this because of what I've seen the last 3 or 4 years with emulators on all sorts of systems, XBLA, etc. and what people tend to say about them.

But really, it could be cool. I was just throwing my opinion out there. I hope it is good.
post #102 of 183
Actually when I count up all of the devices in my house, Pc's macs, game machines, HD DVD player etc. I'm not that far from having 18 players, lol.
post #103 of 183
The only DVD player in my son's room is his 360, before that it was his XBox, before that it was his PS2. My daughter presently has a DVD player since her console (VSMILE) does not have one.

It would have been nice for the Wii to play DVD's, it could have saved parents having to buy a DVD player for their small children.

Hell even a cheap DVD player means one less game!!!
post #104 of 183
Hehe Dean, I only have uhh... 7 dvd playing devices :( (hooked up, 9 if you count the 2 in closets) I can't live like this, I need to buy more now hehe.

I think a lot of the problem with understanding people's complaints is that I'm not looking for the Wii to be my total gaming solution. I haven't even tried to wrap my head around that possibility, mainly because I've had a 360 since launch.

So I guess for me its more a case of, If I want something that qualifies as true next-gen gameplay (my hatred for that term aside, I consider this to be game that were impossible on the previous hardware, not graphically, but gameplay) such as Dead Rising, GRAW, or Oblivion... then I have that capability, but If i want to run around with a 50 polygon caricature of myself playing tennis by swinging my arm around... I can do that too.

And in my case I'm extatic for the Wii for just this reason, maybe those considering only one system are right, and it does lack... but for me it fits a need perfectly, and will scratch that itch whenever I need it.

Also in regards to the graphics power of the system, people are really being rediculous... If you look at the progression of screenshots from intended 1st party games on the Wii for release (Metroid Prime 3... albeit not release, is release-window, Mario Galaxy, and so on) then you can already see vast graphical enhancements over last-gen gamecube games. You have proof from some developers mouths that yes, the Wii is the same architecture as the GC, however with much more speed and RAM... that makes a difference people, this isnt the kind of improvement you get by throwing in another 512MB dimm in your PC, this is dedicated to a single goal, and improvements hit harder.

First party Wii titles will not be the upper limit of the system, I find that very hard to believe... thats basically never been true of any console. Hell you could see graphical enhancements pretty clearly from the release SNES games to the final tier, and that was what... 8bit hardware? Most people agree that Metroid Prime 3's current screens look just "barely" better than some later XBOX titles... that from a skeptic of the Wii's own mouth. Well if its already "barely better" than an XBOX at launch, the theoretically it will look amazingly better in a couple years, but never as good as the 360/PS3 (as it shouldnt)

and yes I said theoretically, because no one knows either way who is right, there's just no way to. Its pure speculation and conjecture, and everyone just seems to enjoy wasting their time doing that.

OK this post got way longer than intended... time to cut the cord.
post #105 of 183
Its important to note why games look better after launch. As developers gain experience and better tools come out games improve. This will be MUCH less of a factor with the Wii as its an enhanced 4+ year old system. There is not as much untapped potential and the experience is already there with this architecture.

The Wii should only lose more ground compared ot the PS3/360 as they are all new and at the true start of their abilities.
post #106 of 183
13 dvd devices/players here.

While its not a major issue they said it would be possible and pulled that out at the last minute...I doubt anybody was thinking "Damn I am getting me a Wii to play me some movies"...But I do think at the generation we are at in video games I think a dvd drive inside a game console and no video playback is pretty inexcusable...I am still a bit confused how they can say "We didnt integrate it because it would cost to much" and yet slap the 250 price tag on us its amazing...They should have just said it wasnt necessary for the Wii...

How you not going to have a dvd drive in a console w/ no video playback and the main controller being a remote???
post #107 of 183
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Originally Posted by spinksjinx
13 dvd devices/players here.

While its not a major issue they said it would be possible and pulled that out at the last minute...I doubt anybody was thinking "Damn I am getting me a Wii to play me some movies"...But I do think at the generation we are at in video games I think a dvd drive inside a game console and no video playback is pretty inexcusable...I am still a bit confused how they can say "We didnt integrate it because it would cost to much" and yet slap the 250 price tag on us its amazing...They should have just said it wasnt necessary for the Wii...

How you not going to have a dvd drive in a console w/ no video playback and the main controller being a remote???
You guys do realize that this is a self-loading dual disc size drive right? those are kind of expensive to begin with, to add DVD playback most likely WAS just too much (it self-loads 8cm (GC) or 12cm discs (Wii))

Anyway though... frank, you keep falling back on graphical potential as the measure of a system. That's exactly the mentality that Nintendo is trying to break. Just because 360 or PS3 games get better and better looking, doesn't mean theyre going to be more and more fun than a given Wii title at the same time.

Now some graphical advances DO make advances in gameplay, as I noted before, Dead Rising, or Test Drive Unlimited, or even GR:AW really couldn't have been possible based on the power limitations of old hardware. But in the same token, there's the potential for game's we never thought of to be created based on the control scheme of the Wii, and as I also noted, the potential for the first successful RTS' on a console ever.

Of course this relies on the Wii-mote breaking out of "gimmicky" uses, but that will be up to the developers, and hopefully we'll see that early on.

Graphics being key is right up there with "Nintendo's games are made for kids". Neither argument has any merit, as most of the people who typically define XBOX or PS3 games as "mature" or "adult" do so on the basis of violence or sex, as very few games actually have content that is only understandable to adults otherwise. It usually shows that people with that mentality are in fact the ones that have the childish thought process, while the rest of us can find the amusement in Nintendogs or Brain Age or Wii Sports.

When someone can explain why an adult can't have an absolute blast playing Pokemon or Nintendogs, OTHER than the fact that they'd be embarassed (which is most of the problem right there, people have no self-esteem to say that playing a cartoony game is in fact NOT a childish task), then I'll start to listen.

Because what games out there now actually test your intellect to the point of being considered "mature" otherwise? My bets are you can't point any out.
post #108 of 183
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Originally Posted by aC39
You guys do realize that this is a self-loading dual disc size drive right? those are kind of expensive to begin with, to add DVD playback most likely WAS just too much (it self-loads 8cm (GC) or 12cm discs (Wii))

Anyway though... frank, you keep falling back on graphical potential as the measure of a system. That's exactly the mentality that Nintendo is trying to break. Just because 360 or PS3 games get better and better looking, doesn't mean theyre going to be more and more fun than a given Wii title at the same time.

Now some graphical advances DO make advances in gameplay, as I noted before, Dead Rising, or Test Drive Unlimited, or even GR:AW really couldn't have been possible based on the power limitations of old hardware. But in the same token, there's the potential for game's we never thought of to be created based on the control scheme of the Wii, and as I also noted, the potential for the first successful RTS' on a console ever.

Of course this relies on the Wii-mote breaking out of "gimmicky" uses, but that will be up to the developers, and hopefully we'll see that early on.

Graphics being key is right up there with "Nintendo's games are made for kids". Neither argument has any merit, as most of the people who typically define XBOX or PS3 games as "mature" or "adult" do so on the basis of violence or sex, as very few games actually have content that is only understandable to adults otherwise. It usually shows that people with that mentality are in fact the ones that have the childish thought process, while the rest of us can find the amusement in Nintendogs or Brain Age or Wii Sports.

When someone can explain why an adult can't have an absolute blast playing Pokemon or Nintendogs, OTHER than the fact that they'd be embarassed (which is most of the problem right there, people have no self-esteem to say that playing a cartoony game is in fact NOT a childish task), then I'll start to listen.

Because what games out there now actually test your intellect to the point of being considered "mature" otherwise? My bets are you can't point any out.
MOVIE PLAYBACK WAS PROMISED via Dongle....Not a big issue to me and probably nobody else but I mean how can they use the financial excuse???? We are talking about decade old technology in terms of dvd video....

On a side note, Pokemon blue gets played to this day on my GBC!...Not as much so anymore but I keep it in my glovebox of my car when I usually have a drink or two more than I should have and my girlfriend drives us home from the restauraunt...Happy Hour and Pokemon Blue go good together. :D

I could really care less about graphical enhancements ok thats a lie we all do to a degree and as long as games look as good as some of the titles that really pushed the limits (REmake/RE4) I will be satisfied...It isnt like the cube put out crappy looking games...Hell some of the cube/ps2 games look better than some 360 games!
post #109 of 183
aC39 you are buying into the FUD Nintendo is selling.

Nintendo is the Democratic party of gaming.

To them its all doom and gloom. Perfect ex was reggie last night and today.

Nintendo will bring gaming back to the masses. The reality is that more people are gaming than every before. more people game today than on the NES/SNES and N64 combined.

They just are not gaming on Nintendo's consoles.

Good games need to be good games. They do not need special controllers.

Look at the DS. two screens, input thats old (Palm anyone, or how about a Newton?) but Nintendo is selling it as a revolutionary breakthrough for gaming and attributing that to the DS's success. Oddly enough the number one game on DS is a side scroller that could have been done on the SNES.

Great games are fun regardless of what you use to control them.

Halo was an amazing game in every way, despite being controlled by a controller instead of a KB/mouse. While some gamers never got the memo, its the games that matter not the controller.

Nintendo wants you to belive gaming NEEDS their system, they are here to SAVE you from 'bad" games. The reality is there are many fantastic games and the Wiimote will not change that. What it can do is bring more gamers to Nintendo but its certainly not what they say it is. Its not needed in any way for a game to be great fun.

You will always be able to buy great games on the PS3 and 360, you will never be able to play great looking games on the Wii. But thats ok the Wiimote is very interesting and will have some cool games you cannot do elsewhere. But that hardly means they will be half as fun as an online Halo 3 or Resistance Fall of Man for that matter.
post #110 of 183
See Frank that's the problem, sure part of me is buying into Nintendo's crap, but how is that any different than you falling for Microsoft's or Sony's crap? Why is the "different interface" tangent any different than the "better graphics" line of reasoning.

By your own admission, great games will always be great games... so why EVER buy a new console? if NSMB could have been just as good on the SNES, maybe they should have never developed the DS. If Halo 1 and 2 were so great, why not make Halo 3 for the XBOX, and say screw the 360.

I'm not buying into the crap that "this console is going to save me from bad games"... Like I said, i have a 360, I absolutely have a blast with games like ChromeHOUNDS and Dead Rising, which will NEVER be possible on the Wii, that doesn't mean I can't see the potential that is there.

Also if your line of reasoning were correct, then why is the PSP getting trounced by the weaker "gimmicky" "already been done" DS? It has so much more processing power, it has web browsing and video capability, yet the DS continues to be more popular and better supported.

I've never had any company truly make me believe I need ANY of their products, about the only time that will happen is if I need to go on dialisis. But nintendo does a good job of showing me why I'll WANT their product over one of their competitors.

Should we also never try to alter any of our input mechanisms? are you telling me that a KB+M and console controller are the absolute BEST input that will ever be created just because they work well for us now? To even answer that question would be a statement of ignorance, so you'll bash someone for even giving it a try? that makes loads of sense.

For all I know I'll buy a Wii, and it will fall flat on its face, but you know what? I really don't care. If that happens it happens, they're taking a risk, risk involves the potential for loss, and thats a reality. In some ways Sony is taking a larger risk by staying so much the same.

This is much to me like the Megapixel race in digital cameras... company after company wanting more and more. And while more is better, most people don't NEED more to really be better, they just know morons buy into it, so they produce it... but if someone comes out with a camera at moderate resolution to the competition, but that can take extremely low light shots at amazing shutter speeds with nice zoom and no digital noise... do you think that'd be wrong? because it doesnt enter into the phallic measuring contest that everyone else does?

These are electronics designed for enjoyment, yet people feel they have to have an almost religious faith to the console of their choice. You buy the thing, if it gives YOU joy, then thats great, you don't need to convince everyone else why THEY should enjoy what ENJOY all the same. In fact that's exactly why most people draw the religion-console fanboy relation, because they ARE so similar.

I haven't told you you SHOULDN'T buy a PS3, I just said why I and many others are wanting to buy a Wii. Hell I've praised the capabilities of my 360, and I love it (OK maybe I did say don't buy a PS3, but thats because it really doesn't offer its cost differential value over a 360) but that doesn't mean I cant double-dip and enjoy something completely different, and not expect everyone else to agree with me.

This is usually when someone brings up the PowerGlove, so lets remember, no Nintendo people, that was Mattel :P
post #111 of 183
Visuals are important, they are a quest to reach reality, or realistic looking enviroments anyway. This is why we went from B&W TV to color to VHS to DVD (With LD somewhere in there) to HD.

If grapics were not important the Genesis and SNES would never have existed, graphics are pretty much all they had over the NES. They sure as heck never had as many games.


If you have CH let me ask you this. Do you pay attention to the controller? Are you actually making sure you move the left stick this way while hitting the right trigger and moving the left stick that way?

Having put 130 hour into CH I am going to bet the answer is no. instead you are moving your Hound accross the battlefield and you are scanning for the enemy, then you are dodging their fire and doing your best to hit them with your own.

The point being of course that playing a great game does not need any special input. Sure let shave new ones, I think the Wiimote is GREAT for what it is, a new way to do things. But its not anything more than that. You could play CH with a KB/Mouse, maybe even a Wiimote. But it doe snot really matter since once you get playing you tune out the controls.
post #112 of 183
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Originally Posted by aC39
You guys do realize that this is a self-loading dual disc size drive right? those are kind of expensive to begin with, to add DVD playback most likely WAS
What is a self-loading drive? :confused:
post #113 of 183
But see you're projecting your ideals onto the populus, and that's not the way reality works, very VERY many people do NOT want realistic graphics in all games, and your idea that the genesis and such would'nt have existed in rediculous. A genesis could'nt even do good "cartoon" graphics, so it always had room to grow.

I've been playing games steadily since the original NES, followed by the SNES and Genesis, Gameboy, then the PS1, Xbox, Xbox 360 with the PC starting steadily around 1998 until the present. I've had my fair share of systems, and gone through my OMG GRAFIX phase mostly on the PC (because basically it had, and will continue to have the best graphics at any time outside of console launch years).

The only time I honestly liked "better" graphics was when it accompanied better art direction and style, case in point, World of Warcraft... that game is well behind the curve at this point graphically, yet the world is more believable in its fantasy sense and looks more attractive than most if not all games like it since, and its because of great art direction. That's something that nintendo has always had. No one wants a photorealistic mario, or link... but I'm sure a few want a photorealistic samus... thats besides the point.

Your quest for photorealism in games is the minority outside of spoiled 13 year olds. A current solid example is something like Valve's followup to Team fortress, TF2, this is on one of the best current FPS engines (again, there are some graphically superior, but not as enjoyed or fun, like the Doom 3 engine) out there, and the game its based on DOES do a great job of conveying a "real" gritty world. So what did they do with TF2?

http://blackmage.org/supernorn/TF2/snap6.jpg
http://blackmage.org/supernorn/TF2/snap16.jpg
http://blackmage.org/supernorn/TF2/snap10.jpg

all shots are in-game... because they know that not everything needs to be "OMG REALISTIC"... if people wanted real life, they'd go live it instead of playing video games... Funny enough, a lot of people are bashing TF2 for the same reason you're bashing the Nintendo. It's not mature or "real" enough. This comming from people who argue about video games.
post #114 of 183
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Originally Posted by DaverJ
What is a self-loading drive? :confused:
It will pull the disc from your hand ,so to speak. A lot of car cd players are like this. On my slot loading DVD drive on my PC you have to to push the disc about half way in before it will load.
post #115 of 183
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Originally Posted by DaverJ
What is a self-loading drive? :confused:
Well I thought I was crazy and just not good with terminology, but I can't seem to find another explanation.

Its just a drive that doesn't extend, or have any tray moving parts... just like that of most car head units, you stick the disk in, and it pulls it in, you hit eject, and it pushes it out.

I had heard early on, back when people thought the Wii would have 2 separate drives for just this reason, that ones that support two completely different size discs were expensive and typically unreliable, but I'm guessing they did something good to get it in the system.

EDIT: beaten by darthsrg :)
post #116 of 183
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Originally Posted by aC39
Well I thought I was crazy and just not good with terminology, but I can't seem to find another explanation.

Its just a drive that doesn't extend, or have any tray moving parts... just like that of most car head units, you stick the disk in, and it pulls it in, you hit eject, and it pushes it out.

I had heard early on, back when people thought the Wii would have 2 separate drives for just this reason, that ones that support two completely different size discs were expensive and typically unreliable, but I'm guessing they did something good to get it in the system.

EDIT: beaten by darthsrg :)

Isnt the little slot underneath the dvd drive insert the cube disc drive???
post #117 of 183
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Originally Posted by spinksjinx
Isnt the little slot underneath the dvd drive insert the cube disc drive???
this is straight from their hardware page
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A single self-loading media bay plays single- or double-layered 12-cm optical discs for the Wii console, as well as 8-cm Nintendo GameCube discs
I'm pretty sure the slot you're talking about is actually a door to the GC controller ports and memory card slots
post #118 of 183
aC39 you have tunnel vision. There has been Cel animation since the 1930's or so and we still have it today, and yet we still develop greater quality live action. Billions have been spent to generate digital effects that look as life like as possible. The quest for realism does not mean there is no room for any other style (Look at the last 10 years, naimation has made a huge comeback).


There is a definite drive for realism in gaming from graphics and phisics to story and subject matter. At the same time we have more 'classic" games. They can and do co-exist.

And I daresay there would be a great deal of chaos if people stopped playing games and acted out in real life!

I've looked through the thread and nobody has bashed Nintendo or the Wii really. You just sort of showed up and went into some backlash mode with no reason.

So the Wii is incapable of some things other consoles will do. Whats the big deal? No need to go bonkers becasue of it.
post #119 of 183
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Originally Posted by xxThe Deanxx
Excellent news. I was hoping for a little sooner but pre-thanksgiving is good.
Now they should really start taking pre-orders.


I think this is the only completely positive post in this 4 page thread. LOL :D Gotta love us tech geeks. :p


More then i wanted to pay and later then I wanted it, but, Ill still be making a stop by my gamestop (no pun intended) and trade in my old 360 games i dont play for a nice chunk of that deposite for a Wii.
post #120 of 183
Good news everyone! Nintendo won't be selling component cables!
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When we asked Nintendo about the A/V hookup, they said the system would include an all-in-one composite-component cable much like the one included with the premium Xbox 360.
This is from Cnet.
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