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post #121 of 4928
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Originally Posted by LCD1080 View Post

I'm glad that I bought my HD-DVD movies without ever having bought an HD-DVD player. Now I can get the HD-A2 for about the same price as the A1 but with a much sleeker design, a better remote control, and load times that have been cut in half. The A2 is a full 1.5 inches shorter in height than the A1 which is great. 5.1 outputs mean nothing to me, nor does HDMI 1.3 at this point in time.

Does anyone know how much the A2 weighs?

Hell, why not hold out until the generation 3 players hit the market? Or generation 4? Or you could continue to wait until HD DVD is replaced with a newer format. I mean, where do you draw the line and just buy what you want? If you always continue to wait for the next generation, you will never enjoy anything.

I always find posts like yours quite comical. It really comes across as a guy who wants to appear that he was smarter than everyone else for waiting, but in reality he was jealous of the early adopters the whole time and simply couldn't afford to jump in early.
post #122 of 4928
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Originally Posted by lastxbr960 View Post

http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/hddvd/
On Toshiba's site

What about it?
post #123 of 4928
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Originally Posted by lastxbr960 View Post

They look like consumer dvd players, like my samsung hd860, although I like the smaller height, I think the HD XA1 is the looker of the bunch.


Agreed, the XA1 is a beautiful machine.
post #124 of 4928
I really don't understand the reasoning behind the A2 feature set. The XA2 seems to be a clear upgrade from the XA1 model, making it either equal or better than most announced BD players, while keeping a competitive pricing. But the A2 is borderline unusable. Why did they remove the Analog audio output is beyond me... Most people do not have a HDMI capable receiver, and even the ones available are quite shaky in the HDMI compatibility department. I would rather take a DVI output and a 5.1 analog output than only an HDMI output for the lower-end version.(people buying the XA2 are more likely to have an up-to-date receiver...)

I guess the A2 users will need to rely on a single spdif output for audio... DD/DTS only.

Allan
post #125 of 4928
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Originally Posted by Q of BanditZ View Post

What about it?

It's the official overview from Toshiba.
And it mentions the higher 297MHz 12bit Video DAC on the XA2, which I was wondering about, since this is a new feature, in addition to 1080P, HDMI 1.3, and should give better upscaling of DVD's compared to the other units I believe.
post #126 of 4928
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Originally Posted by lastxbr960 View Post

It's the official overview from Toshiba.
And it mentions the higher 297MHz 12bit Video DAC on the XA2, which I was wondering about, since this is a new feature, in addition to 1080P, HDMI 1.3, and should give better upscaling of DVD's compared to the other units I believe.

Ok.
post #127 of 4928
I just ordered my A1 through Continental. Thanks for all the info, guys!

(it is beyond me why Toshiba dropped the 5.1 analog out).
post #128 of 4928
Thanks Robert for the info.
post #129 of 4928
Anyone know if Toshiba will continue to support the A1/XA1 with firmware updates when needed or will they solely concentrate on only updating the A2/XA2?
post #130 of 4928
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Originally Posted by Maestro J View Post

Anyone know if Toshiba will continue to support the A1/XA1 with firmware updates when needed


Robert said Toshiba will continue to release new firmware for A1/XA1 through 2007/2008.
post #131 of 4928
Thanks, I missed that comment.
Also, what HDMI version does the A1/XA1 have? Is it 1.2?
post #132 of 4928
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Originally Posted by Maestro J View Post

Thanks, I missed that comment.
Also, what HDMI version does the A1/XA1 have? Is it 1.2?


It shouldn't be. According to the pictures, the HDMI transmitter chip in A1/XA1 doesn't even have the bandwidth for 1080p60.
post #133 of 4928
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Originally Posted by LJG View Post

Did you mean the Xa2?

He had to -- we know the XA1 doesn't.

-- Trevor
post #134 of 4928
So naturally one should assume the PQ will be better in the A2 over the A1
post #135 of 4928
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Originally Posted by Maestro J View Post

So naturally one should assume the PQ will be better in the A2 over the A1

Why is that?
post #136 of 4928
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Originally Posted by ninjanki View Post

I really don't understand the reasoning behind the A2 feature set. The XA2 seems to be a clear upgrade from the XA1 model, making it either equal or better than most announced BD players, while keeping a competitive pricing. But the A2 is borderline unusable. Why did they remove the Analog audio output is beyond me... Most people do not have a HDMI capable receiver, and even the ones available are quite shaky in the HDMI compatibility department. I would rather take a DVI output and a 5.1 analog output than only an HDMI output for the lower-end version.(people buying the XA2 are more likely to have an up-to-date receiver...)

I guess the A2 users will need to rely on a single spdif output for audio... DD/DTS only.

Allan

The XA2 is intended as the upgrade for all three players. The A2 is the new entry level and it's intended for new HD-DVD purchasers, not for A1 or XA1 owners.

Regarding the S/PDIF, remember that's good for 640Kbps DD and 1.5Mbps DTS -- definite upgrades over what purchasers are used to hearing with SD DVD.

-- Trevor
post #137 of 4928
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Originally Posted by Maestro J View Post

Thanks, I missed that comment.
Also, what HDMI version does the A1/XA1 have? Is it 1.2?

A1 and XA1 provide HDMI 1.1.

-- Trevor
post #138 of 4928
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Originally Posted by ninjanki View Post

I really don't understand the reasoning behind the A2 feature set. The XA2 seems to be a clear upgrade from the XA1 model, making it either equal or better than most announced BD players, while keeping a competitive pricing. But the A2 is borderline unusable. Why did they remove the Analog audio output is beyond me... Most people do not have a HDMI capable receiver, and even the ones available are quite shaky in the HDMI compatibility department. I would rather take a DVI output and a 5.1 analog output than only an HDMI output for the lower-end version.(people buying the XA2 are more likely to have an up-to-date receiver...)

I guess the A2 users will need to rely on a single spdif output for audio... DD/DTS only.

Allan

I have no use for the analog 5.1 output. I know my receiver has them, but as far as I'm concerned, I always use the spdif for audio straight to my AV receiver. I know some people gush about why you must have TrueD audio, but for me, I can't even tell why DTS is better than AC3.

My pet peeves with the HD-A1 are as follows :

1. Boot Time waaay too long. (about 30x too long)
2. Load Time waaay too long. (about 15x too long)
3. "HDMI Error 1"
4. Too big
5. Unfriendly remote (can't even read buttons in a home theatre with lights off, too big, ugly).

Based on the HD-A2 loading faster alone, I am tempted to buy my 3rd HD-DVD player. (That will make it one every month).
post #139 of 4928
Toshiba XA2

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Toshiba A2

[IMG][/IMG]

Very Nice!
post #140 of 4928
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Originally Posted by Bill C. View Post

Thank you for spreading the word, Robert. But what's MAP (as opposed to MSRP)?

Manufacturer's advertised price?
post #141 of 4928
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Originally Posted by DigitalfreakNYC View Post

Why is that?

Never mind. Another poster stated that A1's have 1.2 so PQ should be relatively the same.
post #142 of 4928
post #143 of 4928
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Originally Posted by Neo1965 View Post

I have no use for the analog 5.1 output. I know my receiver has them, but as far as I'm concerned, I always use the spdif for audio straight to my AV receiver. I know some people gush about why you must have TrueD audio, but for me, I can't even tell why DTS is better than AC3.

My pet peeves with the HD-A1 are as follows :

1. Boot Time waaay too long. (about 30x too long)
2. Load Time waaay too long. (about 15x too long)
3. "HDMI Error 1"
4. Too big
5. Unfriendly remote (can't even read buttons in a home theatre with lights off, too big, ugly).

Based on the HD-A2 loading faster alone, I am tempted to buy my 3rd HD-DVD player. (That will make it one every month).

Robert's deal on the A2 is very interesting to me. I like having the 5.1 analog outputs, but my processor can only support one set, and I hate to disconnect my SACD/DVD-A player. Fortunately, I'm getting very enjoyable sound via S/PDIF.

The biggest drawback is I'm expecting the component outputs to be a notch behind those of G1. Since I drive my outboard scaler via component, that would be a step in the wrong direction.

Guess I could always consider buying an A2 for my second system -- hmm, now that's a thought.

-- Trevor
post #144 of 4928
Two new players from Toshiba is nice but I'm a bit concerned that no other CE's are supporting HD DVD.
post #145 of 4928
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Originally Posted by Blkout View Post

Hell, why not hold out until the generation 3 players hit the market? Or generation 4? Or you could continue to wait until HD DVD is replaced with a newer format. I mean, where do you draw the line and just buy what you want? If you always continue to wait for the next generation, you will never enjoy anything. I always find posts like yours quite comical. It really comes across as a guy who wants to appear that he was smarter than everyone else for waiting, but in reality he was jealous of the early adopters the whole time and simply couldn't afford to jump in early.

Actually I won't have an HDTV until early October so I wouldn't have had any use for an HD-DVD player up until now. I was going to buy the A1 a few weeks ago in anticipation of my new 1080p LCD-TV. All I'm saying is that I'm glad that I waited because now I can have the A2 with its superior feature set for essentially the same price as the A1.
post #146 of 4928
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Originally Posted by Maestro J View Post

Never mind. Another poster stated that A1's have 1.2 so PQ should be relatively the same.

HDMI picture would probably be the same with 1.3 as well. I understand 1.3 adds some features, but there's no indication the increased color depth capability would be immediately used -- plus it would require the display device support 1.3 as well.

-- Trevor
post #147 of 4928
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Originally Posted by los seres View Post

Toshiba XA2

[IMG][/IMG]

Toshiba A2

[IMG][/IMG]

Very Nice!

I see an SACD logo on the displays??? Though no SACD or DVD-A logo on the casing...

Anyone?
post #148 of 4928
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Originally Posted by Robert D View Post

Two new players from Toshiba is nice but I'm a bit concerned that no other CE's are supporting HD DVD.

Still a couple days to go, we can always hope for more good news.

-- Trevor
post #149 of 4928
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Originally Posted by LCD1080 View Post

Actually I won't have an HDTV until early October so I wouldn't have had any use for an HD-DVD player up until now. I was going to buy the A1 a few weeks ago in anticipation of my new 1080p LCD-TV. All I'm saying is that I'm glad that I waited because now I can have the A2 with its superior feature set for essentially the same price as the A1.

Better in some ways, not better in others -- depends on what you value I guess. I tried to hold out for G2, but after deciding I really did have a "need" for an upscaler, G1 became the obvious choice. Though, fact is, I may be the slowest HD "adopter" on this board -- as of Wednesday, my HD-DVD count climbed all the way up to two .

-- Trevor
post #150 of 4928
So 3 big questions remain:

- How is the 1080p output handled? Which modes are supported (24p, 60p)? If 24p how is it achieved (native from disc or with 60i decoding and IVT) and what happens during IME?

- With the vast majority of European releases having lossless DTS HD Master Audio tracks onboard does at least the HD-XA2 support actually decoding it (or just extracting the DTS Core)?

- Have the G2 players been tested with HD45 triple layer discs and will they be supported - or do we have to buy new players when Triple Layer discs arrive mid of next year? (as hinted/"semi-confirmed" by an Toshiba tech)
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