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post #11521 of 18140
I have a question for heavy users of series recording. Last week, I had a situation where there were three 10pm shows I wanted to record. One of them was a cable show that is continually reshown throughout the week. It's listed below the other two in my priority listing but was shown as having a conflict with the 10pm slot. Is the software not able to figure out a solution on its own?

A couple of weeks before that, with the same situation, I tried redoing the whole series recording by scheduling the repeat showing at 1am ET but the next week reverted to 10pm. Since I'm far from being a Navigator fan, I may be assuming the worst but I had assumed that there was at least enough logic to the software that it could solve this kind of problem.

Thanks in advance for any input.
post #11522 of 18140
One would think so seeing as how program descriptions are identical except for the "NEW" flag (at least on SARA). The guide should be able to automatically resolve the conflict by finding future recordings and listing them as options to select. I know SARA does not do this and I constantly have to find later showings and manually set them. It really is a pain in the a**!
post #11523 of 18140
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Originally Posted by SVTarHeel View Post

I have a question for heavy users of series recording. Last week, I had a situation where there were three 10pm shows I wanted to record. One of them was a cable show that is continually reshown throughout the week. It's listed below the other two in my priority listing but was shown as having a conflict with the 10pm slot. Is the software not able to figure out a solution on its own?

A couple of weeks before that, with the same situation, I tried redoing the whole series recording by scheduling the repeat showing at 1am ET but the next week reverted to 10pm. Since I'm far from being a Navigator fan, I may be assuming the worst but I had assumed that there was at least enough logic to the software that it could solve this kind of problem.

Thanks in advance for any input.

It will list the conflict until the conflict has passed... THEN it will reschedule the bumped show if it can find another. Just ignore the conflict and it will work itself out as long as your lowest level priority in the conflicting set of shows has an additional showing of that episode.

When you tried forcing it to the 1am showing, did you just pick that showing and hit "record series"? If you do that, it WILL record the first available showing, irrespective of time slot. If you want to always record a particular time slot, then you have to set that as a series recording option.

With 40 or so series set up in my DVR, I only had to resort to specifying a time slot for one show... NFL Live... not because of conflicts, but because with non-episodic programming it will record every showing, repeat or otherwise.
post #11524 of 18140
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Originally Posted by BenJF3 View Post

One would think so seeing as how program descriptions are identical except for the "NEW" flag (at least on SARA). The guide should be able to automatically resolve the conflict by finding future recordings and listing them as options to select. I know SARA does not do this and I constantly have to find later showings and manually set them. It really is a pain in the a**!

It does just that... but not until after the initial conflict has passed. I have several three-show conflicts and it always works out correctly with no user intervention whatsoever.

You ARE, of course, screwed if all three shows are network shows that don't repeat, but that is not the fault of Navigator's conflict resolution system. For those, I just use my old (SD) Panasonic DVR or, more recently, the Media PC plus HD HomeRun network tuner to record a clear QAM broadcast HD or OTA HD. (One HD HomeRun tuner is connected to cable, the other to my attic antenna).
post #11525 of 18140
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

Not for me. Navigator threw back a mess of titles (slowly) that were hard to distinguish between without clicking on each individually.

For example searching "Watchmen" would bring up listings for "Watchmen" and "Watchmen" but you would only know that one was on HBO and the other on HBO Latino when you drilled down into the list.

It might have changed since then but it's dog slow performance and results meant I never used it.

That's mild compared with trying to find a particular game and seeing several dozens of "College Football" headings you need to drill down to.
post #11526 of 18140
Hello,
I was just "upgraded" to Navigator. I have a question on HBO On-Demand.

How do I delete the In-Progress List?

Thanks
post #11527 of 18140
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Originally Posted by timick1 View Post

Hello,
I was just "upgraded" to Navigator. I have a question on HBO On-Demand.

How do I delete the In-Progress List?

Thanks

AFAIK, it just goes away after a certain timeout period (hours, not days). I don't think it's a big deal that it's there unless you are trying to do some "covert" viewing.
post #11528 of 18140
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Originally Posted by jcalabria View Post

AFAIK, it just goes away after a certain timeout period (hours, not days). I don't think it's a big deal that it's there unless you are trying to do some "covert" viewing.

LOL, that was probably integrated into Navigator by one of TWC's female engineers trying to catch her husband watching some Katie Morgan shows
post #11529 of 18140
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Originally Posted by PedjaR View Post

That's mild compared with trying to find a particular game and seeing several dozens of "College Football" headings you need to drill down to.

If I could pick one of my major pet peeves with Navigator, the above post illustrates it perfectly! What a PITA! Navigator needs simpler search solutions to deal with these types of issues:

Keyword Search
Ability to search for specific games or teams within a sports category.
An easier to find method, rather than having to open up each tier of a title when multiple listings of a show are involved.

In the example above, looking for College Football, looking for any sport by a title search is too generic. What Navigator should do is BOTH of the following in a future software update:

Keyword Search: So that any part of a game or team will be returned as you key in the game or team name. As you key, the ability to narrow results to make finding what customers want easier.

Update the Theme Category to go like this:

1.) Press B to "Find Shows" enter KeyWord relating to game or sports event OR

2.) Press B a second time for Category Search-Select Theme, Select Sports, Select Football, Baseball, Basketball. But for each team sport category there is a horizontal option that says GAME or TEAM. Scroll to that and you actually get a list of specific games in chronological order that you would want to see on the left side of the screen. Under #2's example above:

2.a. The first option gives you a title of the sports based on the sport selected from a list. (like it is now) BUT.

2.b. A second option in the horizontal scroll menu not yet available, would list games or teams. Selecting that, brings up the chronological list of games or teams showing within the half hour to the next several days for that sport on the left that you want to watch.

Jack
post #11530 of 18140
For those interested, I have a report from the Albany Forum with the build info they deployed to the 8300HD boxes. (Thanks to member UsualNoise)

PTV: v6.14.96.1sp Wed Oct 8 2008
Apps...
Res / DAM: 2.4.6-19-ptv (Mt. Sherman) May 11 2009
PE: 3.13 (MDN 2.5dev) Mar 4 2009
Host: 1.38 MDN 2.4 May 11 2009

These dates are almost a YEAR old? What took so long to get it deployed?

Also for the 8640HDC, member tehmiker added:

I'm in the Albany NY area and I have the new Cisco 8640. The software version is 1.4.5.1205 (date: 10/15/09) for the Image File, 8.5.15.101 (date: 9/30/09) for the OS, and 3.1.3_3 (date: 11/19/09) for ODN. The hard drive is 320GB and the on-screen guide is 4:3, not 16:9. Also, I didn't know this box ran on Linux! It lists the Linux version number in here as 1.2.17.20102, dated 12/31/95.
post #11531 of 18140
I've had the 8300HD-DVR for a few years now. Should I exchange it for a newer model... do the newer models have larger hard drives?
post #11532 of 18140
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Originally Posted by timick1 View Post

I've had the 8300HD-DVR for a few years now. Should I exchange it for a newer model... do the newer models have larger hard drives?

I had the 8300HDC for years as well but yesterday I finally swapped for the new Cisco 8640HDC. It feels faster, has a bigger hard drive (320GB), comes pre-installed with the new Navigator which I like better than SARA, and it just looks way nicer on my shelf than the 8300 did.
post #11533 of 18140
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Originally Posted by timick1 View Post

I've had the 8300HD-DVR for a few years now. Should I exchange it for a newer model... do the newer models have larger hard drives?

NNNNOOOOO!!!!!!!! Keep the 8300HD!!!!!

It runs MDN, which is head over heals faster and less buggy than the ODN ("HDC") boxes.

Unless your area is intentionally blocked, the 8300HD will also work with an external SATA:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=516559
Get a 500-1000 GB "DVR Expander" drive from WD, Iomega or Apricorn....or DIY from what works:
http://www.baseportal.com/baseportal/xnappo/navigator
Note that WD "My Book" does NOT work....
post #11534 of 18140
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Originally Posted by BenJF3 View Post

I have to ask this though:

Wouldn't it just be easier to use the keyboard search to find your show?

Part of the issue is the search function looks ONLY at the title of the show, as it is listed in the guide. AND the letters you type in can only be found if they are the FIRST letters in said title.

Not to mention most humans listed in the guide are no longer (with a few exceptions). Still, there are NO director names anywhere... so you can't search on Stanley Kubrick like I used to be able to do for the past 5-7 years.

Add in the lost functionality of selecting a show in the guide and with one button press, getting all instances of that show... something I used to do ALL the time in the Passport days! That being said, such a feature seems to have shown up for some... BUT it could be a LONG time before everyone gets that software update.
post #11535 of 18140
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Originally Posted by jcalabria View Post

It will list the conflict until the conflict has passed... THEN it will reschedule the bumped show if it can find another. Just ignore the conflict and it will work itself out as long as your lowest level priority in the conflicting set of shows has an additional showing of that episode.

What I did (got 40-50 of those series recordings!) was take the time to order the priority list... I group it by day, with network shows that do not repeat being listed above cable shows that do have repeats. Makes it a lot easier to deal with once it's ordered.

Not to mention I HAVE on occasion moved that priority to deal with unusual situations. Or in the case of three network shows at the same time (Monday is the worst day) I'll arrange the priority to having an easily found show being the one that really does not get recorded.

I had all sorts of issues with this system at first because I was manually doing resolutions... that is a BAD thing. Use the priority list so the box can make it's own decisions.
post #11536 of 18140
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Originally Posted by jcalabria View Post

It does just that... but not until after the initial conflict has passed. I have several three-show conflicts and it always works out correctly with no user intervention whatsoever.

You ARE, of course, screwed if all three shows are network shows that don't repeat, but that is not the fault of Navigator's conflict resolution system. For those, I just use my old (SD) Panasonic DVR or, more recently, the Media PC plus HD HomeRun network tuner to record a clear QAM broadcast HD or OTA HD. (One HD HomeRun tuner is connected to cable, the other to my attic antenna).

I wish I could do that, but no OTA, nor QAM here (TV is long in the tooth), so I have to resort to finding a digital file. Now that I got a PS3 as a present, I can take that file and play it on the TV and find I am shocked at how good is really looks (this works nicely if you aren't too close to the screen, I'm 8' with a 40" screen).
post #11537 of 18140
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Originally Posted by holl_ands View Post

NNNNOOOOO!!!!!!!! Keep the 8300HD!!!!!

It runs MDN, which is head over heals faster and less buggy than the ODN ("HDC") boxes.

Unless your area is intentionally blocked, the 8300HD will also work with an external SATA:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=516559
Get a 500-1000 GB "DVR Expander" drive from WD, Iomega or Apricorn....or DIY from what works:
http://www.baseportal.com/baseportal/xnappo/navigator
Note that WD "My Book" does NOT work....

100% agree! My 8300HD is quite old, has been in constant service for (I think) 5+ years. Once you separate any issues with the MDN software, it's really a very stable box... I have none of the issues that seem to regularly plague HDC or Sammy users.

For a long time, I was thinking about a Sammie... so I didn't go and get an external HDD that CAN work on a 8300HD/MDN box, but as I waited I saw increasing issues reported that I never see (money is also kind of a factor in my case). I also seemed to drop into a mode of being very aggressive about watching what I record much quicker than most.. so I rarely have more than 4-5 hours waiting to be seen... or less, I think I have 3 hours right now.
post #11538 of 18140
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Originally Posted by Riverside_Guy View Post

What I did (got 40-50 of those series recordings!) was take the time to order the priority list... I group it by day, with network shows that do not repeat being listed above cable shows that do have repeats. Makes it a lot easier to deal with once it's ordered.

Not to mention I HAVE on occasion moved that priority to deal with unusual situations. Or in the case of three network shows at the same time (Monday is the worst day) I'll arrange the priority to having an easily found show being the one that really does not get recorded.

I had all sorts of issues with this system at first because I was manually doing resolutions... that is a BAD thing. Use the priority list so the box can make it's own decisions.

I just have all of the broadcast series at the top, then regular cable series, then pay cable series. Otherwise I never play with them once they are set. The only "trickery" I've resorted to was to schedule some of the pay cable series off of the West feeds... this was not to make the system work but just to get the show recorded sooner (3 hours later instead of waiting for the next East showing).
post #11539 of 18140
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Originally Posted by Riverside_Guy View Post

...Add in the lost functionality of selecting a show in the guide and with one button press, getting all instances of that show... something I used to do ALL the time in the Passport days! That being said, such a feature seems to have shown up for some... BUT it could be a LONG time before everyone gets that software update.

It showed up in ODN 3.2.x. AFAIK, only Charlotte and San Diego have received 3.2 to date.
post #11540 of 18140
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Originally Posted by Satch Man View Post

If I could pick one of my major pet peeves with Navigator, the above post illustrates it perfectly! What a PITA! Navigator needs simpler search solutions to deal with these types of issues:

Keyword Search
Ability to search for specific games or teams within a sports category.
An easier to find method, rather than having to open up each tier of a title when multiple listings of a show are involved.

In the example above, looking for College Football, looking for any sport by a title search is too generic. What Navigator should do is BOTH of the following in a future software update:

Keyword Search: So that any part of a game or team will be returned as you key in the game or team name. As you key, the ability to narrow results to make finding what customers want easier.

Update the Theme Category to go like this:

1.) Press B to "Find Shows" enter KeyWord relating to game or sports event OR

2.) Press B a second time for Category Search-Select Theme, Select Sports, Select Football, Baseball, Basketball. But for each team sport category there is a horizontal option that says GAME or TEAM. Scroll to that and you actually get a list of specific games in chronological order that you would want to see on the left side of the screen. Under #2's example above:

2.a. The first option gives you a title of the sports based on the sport selected from a list. (like it is now) BUT.

2.b. A second option in the horizontal scroll menu not yet available, would list games or teams. Selecting that, brings up the chronological list of games or teams showing within the half hour to the next several days for that sport on the left that you want to watch.

Jack

That seems too complex and sports-only oriented, unlikely to ever get implemented. It would be more than enough to just do what most other DVRs do - allow search through descriptions, so you can just type part of your team's name and see all the games. Of course, a real nice search like Tivo would be great
post #11541 of 18140
One more reason for holding on to 8300HD running MDN:

Any month now, TWC will release their new and deproved IPG for ODN boxes,
with Multi-Room, IPTV?, super-duper hi-rez graphics, lots of different ways to display
the channel grid, search not only programs but also PPV & OnDemand....incl by keyword....

Stand by for EVEN MORE BUGGY Navigator-II Software!!!!
post #11542 of 18140
Quote:
Originally Posted by holl_ands View Post

One more reason for holding on to 8300HD running MDN:

Any month now, TWC will release their new and deproved IPG for ODN boxes,
with Multi-Room, IPTV?, super-duper hi-rez graphics, lots of different ways to display
the channel grid, search not only programs but also PPV & OnDemand....incl by keyword....

Stand by for EVEN MORE BUGGY Navigator-II Software!!!!

Yea,

I have this image of TWC throwing everything to the wall with Navigator 3 for ODN and see what sticks and falls apart saying, "Oh well, we'll work out the bugs later. Customers wanted a new guide so here it is." TWC I could see them thinking, "Maybe they'll shut up now about new features."

However, if they only do it a feature at a time in small doses, doing the ODN first, than checking if it's good enough to add to MDN, I think that will be a better approach.

What customers DON'T want is, "Too much too soon, untested." I mean do we know that everything is going to be released for a new ODN Navigator at once?

Jack
post #11543 of 18140
Article on what's in the works for Navigator:

http://www2.journalnow.com/content/2...entertainment/

Jack
post #11544 of 18140
Question,

Do the SA/Cisco ODN 8240-HDC and the SA/Cisco MDN 8300 have the same amount of RAM?

Jack
post #11545 of 18140
Quote:
Originally Posted by Satch Man View Post

Article on what's in the works for Navigator:

http://www2.journalnow.com/content/2...entertainment/

Jack

Thanks Jack. That was a good read.

Now I have to find what part of the city that room is in.

I still don't know how TWC is going to roll out a multi-room DVR if the Cisco 8640 doesn't have MoCA. Maybe it will be accompanied by a different box?
post #11546 of 18140
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Originally Posted by mfogarty5 View Post

Thanks Jack. That was a good read.

Now I have to find what part of the city that room is in.

I still don't know how TWC is going to roll out a multi-room DVR if the Cisco 8640 doesn't have MoCA. Maybe it will be accompanied by a different box?

Based on what I have heard through the grapevine, an 8500 or higher SA/Cisco or Samsung box will be required:

1.) For multi-room DVR capability.

2.) For the expanded storage (up to 40 hrs of HD)

The other features are planned for both ODN/MDN with ODN getting them first:

1.) Expanded Search and Guide Listings.

2.) Guide Filtering.

3.) Copy to DVD/VCR.

4.) Nearest Tune added to MDN boxes.

5.) Remote DVR Management.

6.) Possible Manual Recording.

Jack
post #11547 of 18140
OK, here's an interesting mind experiment: pick your top 3 from the above list. For me, it's

1. Expanded Storage
2. Multi-Room
3. Remote DVR management

It's easy for me because those three are quite important to me. The other ones would be nice, but they are not in the same class, for me.

Strangely enough, if I had to pick a fourth favorite, it would be Manual Recording. I've had a TWCNY box since the 8000SD, and I've made one, maybe two, manual recordings. Nonetheless, I like the security blanket of having that function available.

-barry
post #11548 of 18140
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Originally Posted by margoba View Post

here's an interesting mind experiment: pick your top 3 from the above list

As it relates to the features list, for me, it would be:

1. Copy to DVD/VCR.
2. Manual Recording.
3. Remote DVR Management.

with #2 being distant to #1, and #3 being even further distant. I'm assuming that these choices would mean keeping my box as is, with just software updates. I pretty much have zero interest in the other 3 features. (If I had a chance to suggest features, a close #2 for me would be SARA's 'skip to end' option during playback.)

If TWC told me tomorrow that a new box would allow those software features as well as additional storage and multi-room viewing, first, I wouldn't believe it, but secondly, I'd probably stop thinking about ditching cable and go directly to a local office and pick up a box with the new options. Heck, I might even do the same if they'd just offer the return of SARA's 'copy to VCR' function.
post #11549 of 18140
For me:

1) Multi Room Viewing

2) Remote DVR Management (IE: Ineternet & iPhone app)

3)Guide Filtering

Third choice was tough because I want a good search option, but in the end I would prefer guide filtering because the majority of the time that is what I'm using anyway.

The first two are no brainers and the others really are nil and would come in time. The added onboard storage is moot when you have eSATA and the extra 20 hours is nice, but still not enough.

I'll be very interested to see what TWC gives us here in CNY. On a side note: I really wish they'd publish a detailed manual of all the features and functions of Navigator as well as version tracking. That should be mandatory! I mean, even my iPhone apps have revision lists when an update is available. We should know what every version is changing or adding as they are deployed.
post #11550 of 18140
Quote:
Originally Posted by Satch Man View Post

Article on what's in the works for Navigator:

http://www2.journalnow.com/content/2...entertainment/

Jack

Hmmm, it sounds like it came right from the TWC PR department. I mean "looking for ways to increase the storage capacity" is a great stumbling block? Something that have to "THINK" about?

I'd bet you the 160s they still put in are special runs... I don't think there's ANY devices today that use such small 3 1/2 inch drives.

Yes, we are seeing dribs and drabs of 320G machines... but 320? I just paid 75 bucks for a 500G 2 1/2 drive in a case with a USB interface. I dare say 500G 3 1/2 drives can be bought dirt cheap... maybe even identical (or a few bucks differential) to 320s.
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