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post #14581 of 18054
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Originally Posted by BenJF3 View Post
Another request for improvement to Navigator is to make the Search feature usable. That or eliminate it altogether because as it stands it is just useless. Today, I was looking for "The Wedding Singer", so I did a search via the keyboard for "The Wedding Singer". Nothing found. 30 Minutes later, I'm scrolling the guide and there it is on FX - The Wedding Singer. It seems memory could be better put to use if the search can't even search the current guide.

Also, has anyone been updated at all? There are reports here that many boxes rebooted and booted to the default channel. I saw no change in the version number, but Navigator is now even slower than it was prior to this. Hopefully a major update is coming.
With most search programs including Navigator, you ignore words such as THE when it occurs at the beginning. Google spoils us with it's smarts and let's us even misspell words.
post #14582 of 18054
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Originally Posted by rdgcss View Post
With most search programs including Navigator, you ignore words such as THE when it occurs at the beginning. Google spoils us with it's smarts and let's us even misspell words.
True, but Navigator is very picky and it did return many shows with "The" in the title, just not the one I was looking for. It should also have identified the word Wedding and Singer and returned any shows with those. I rarely use search if I have access to my phone or PC as it's far quicker. I just happened to be at a spot where Navigators search option would have been convenient had it actually worked.
post #14583 of 18054
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Originally Posted by Satch Man View Post

Yes,

The Keyboard needs more and better search options. My statement now says an update is coming on or after April 12. They talk about Look Back and that there will be a software update, but do not give specifics.

On the Keyboard, it is still that if the show starts with the word "The" or the letter A, the second word of the title is used. I have seen instances of (using Ben's example) various search results, such as "The Wedding Singer" and "Wedding Singer The" in the Search list.

I have seen very, very subtle improvements to the search engine on Navigator's ODN platform concerning accuracy of program information, but nothing to write home about.

As MDN 3.0 is the last main release for the defunct MDN boxes, TWC may be focusing more on improving the speed and reliability of the ODN platform with these next builds. We are in an approximate six month cycle where it is time for a new release. Watch for an ODN 4.xx extension. What is happening in Charlotte, North Carolina and San Diego California? Check those local forms, they are the first with new Navigator updates, with a general roll out within 1-2 months of their time-frame.

It is rumored that this next ODN build will add the missing feature sets from MDN, which should be cool. The speed issues on the SA/Cisco's remain problematic in Ben's area of Rome New York, not so much with me in Metro-Milwaukee Wisconsin. JC's Gators are fast in North Carolina. This speed inconsistency really needs a top priority from TWC to make it uniform.

Everyone keep us posted. Thanks for all your help with Navigator! Let's see what happens next.

Jack

San Diego is no longer a test platform for ODN, as Rochester was the first to get v4.0.2_4. TWC probably has a new version, but I don't know when that version is coming out. The only recent update in San Diego was the Samsung OS update to v4.5.10 and there hasn't been any plans to update ODN past v4.0.2_4.

Samsung boxes running ODN are quite fast, and maybe it's as fast as MDN, but I don't have an MDN DVR. My Samsung boxes are faster than my Cisco box, but my Cisco box ain't a slouch either.
post #14584 of 18054
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Originally Posted by HDTV View Post

San Diego is no longer a test platform for ODIN, as Rochester was the first to get v4.0.2_4. TC probably has a new version, but I don't know when that version is coming out. The only recent update in San Diego was the Sam sung OS update to v4.5.10 and there hasn't been any plans to update ODIN past v4.0.2_4.

Sam sung boxes running ODIN are quite fast, and maybe it's as fast as MD, but I don't have an MD DR. My Sam sung boxes are faster than my Disco box, but my Disco box ain't a slouch either.

I can confirm that a new version of ODN is in the pipeline, and has gone through several months of testing, but they haven't yet "flipped the switch" for widespread release . This will bring the features of MD 3.0 to the ODN 4.xx dataset and hopefully another speed boost for the SA/Disco boxes that need it.

What I am trying to find out, is when the Alticast Middleware update is coming? Maybe either this release or the next one. They want to get MDN/ODN features to match as closely as possible. That will be in the next ODN update along with a couple of new features.

Do we have information for any test roll-outs for new Navigator releases? Or are they all going to be general roll-outs within about a three month time frame per division? I can tell you that Navigator ODN 4.0.24 was released in September of 2010, and we had it in mid October 2010. It appears that we are getting more of a consolidation of TWC Navigator releases, where one division quickly follows another division in a more realistic time table than in the past.

Jack
post #14585 of 18054
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The only recent update in San Diego was the Samsung OS update to v4.5.10

Is it known what that update did or fixed? Was this a cable card issue? I was hoping it was a new version prep.

Jack
post #14586 of 18054
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Originally Posted by Satch Man View Post

JC's Gators are fast in North Carolina.

All things are relative, but I wouldn't exactly call the 8640 fast. Manipulating series takes forever on mine, where it was almost instantaneous on the 3090. The other day I added a new series. After adding it, I moved it to the correct priority level and timed how long it took to perform that priority change and its associated conflict checks... 67 seconds with absolutely no progress feedback.
post #14587 of 18054
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Originally Posted by jcalabria View Post

All things are relative, but I wouldn't exactly call the 8640 fast. Manipulating series takes forever on mine, where it was almost instantaneous on the 3090. The other day I added a new series. After adding it, I moved it to the correct priority level and timed how long it took to perform that priority change and its associated conflict checks... 67 seconds with absolutely no progress feedback.

WOW!

Maybe it's because I only have 1-2 series scheduled at a time, but my recordings schedule within 5-10 seconds of sending them to the DVR on my SA-8300HDC. Although not quite as fast as my old SA-8300 which died, it still does not take up to a minute to confirm a series recording.

JC, do you have a lot of series scheduled? Maybe the logarithm logic in Navigator, for whatever reason, requires longer processing time to find spots on the schedule when a lot of shows are set up for recording.

Jack
post #14588 of 18054
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Originally Posted by Satch Man View Post

WOW!

Maybe it's because I only have 1-2 series scheduled at a time, but my recordings schedule within 5-10 seconds of sending them to the DVR on my SA-8300HDC. Although not quite as fast as my old SA-8300 which died, it still does not take up to a minute to confirm a series recording.

JC, do you have a lot of series scheduled? Maybe the logarithm logic in Navigator, for whatever reason, requires longer processing time to find spots on the schedule when a lot of shows are set up for recording.

Jack

Yes I do... that was the 65th series. But the 3090 with the same kind of loading finished the same task in a few seconds (I'm presuming that its checking the schedules for conflicts, because it reports them immediately after this if it finds them).
post #14589 of 18054
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Originally Posted by Satch Man View Post

Is it known what that update did or fixed? Was this a cable card issue? I was hoping it was a new version prep.

Jack

There was an encryption issue with ODN v4.0.2_4 that would cause black screens. This issue that I'm referring to, is the infamous black screen bug on ODN v4.0.2_4. I've gotten it a few times, but v4.5.10 is rather unknown. I still get the E007 HDMI error screen, and the HDMI picture can get garbled.
post #14590 of 18054
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Originally Posted by hdtvfan2005 View Post

There was an encryption issue with ODN v4.0.2_4 that would cause black screens. This issue that I'm referring to, is the infamous black screen bug on ODN v4.0.2_4. I've gotten it a few times, but v4.5.10 is rather unknown. I still get the E007 HDMI error screen, and the HDMI picture can get garbled.

Thanks! Hopefully some division gets an update soon and the rest will follow in a timely fashion!

Jack
post #14591 of 18054
Navigator has been released in North Texas only on the DCX3400M and DCX3200M multiroom DVRs regular DCX's have not been Gatored yet.

So tru2way has been released in North texas the boxes are presumably running 4.0.2.4 with firmware 24.07 or higher.
post #14592 of 18054
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Originally Posted by kevin120 View Post
Navigator has been released in North Texas only on the DCX3400M and DCX3200M multiroom DVRs regular DCX's have not been Gatored yet.

So tru2way has been released in North texas the boxes are presumably running 4.0.2.4 with firmware 24.07 or higher.
Please report back with initial impressions. How does it perform there?
post #14593 of 18054
It appears that Hawaii has started their Navigator transition. One person said his 4250HDC now has it, and he had to reboot his STB to get the HDMI to work properly.
post #14594 of 18054
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Originally Posted by BenJF3 View Post
Please report back with initial impressions. How does it perform there?
Don't have it yet on regular DCX boxes yet but will report back when it does become available to me.

There should be a firmware update to 3.31 or later and possibly a VOD/SDV firmware update these new boxes have the regular DCX boxes do not have.

I believe that they have DSG for signaling so they most likely use the internal cable modem for guide downloads and box updates not 100% sure.

We have wideband which has these frequences that they could be using for box signals:

24.5MHz QAM16
29.5MHz QAM16/QAM64 (needs to be clean upstream)
33MHz QAM16/QAM64 (needs to be clean upstream)
36.5MHz QAM16/QAM64(needs to be clean upstream)

783MHz
789MHz
795MHz
801MHz
post #14595 of 18054
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Originally Posted by hdtvfan2005 View Post

It appears that Hawaii has started their Navigator transition. One person said his 4250HDC now has it, and he had to reboot his STB to get the HDMI to work properly.

Can someone provide URL links with the Navigator transitions here for those areas of Texas, and especially Hawaii, so that we can follow the rollouts? Thanks!

Jack
post #14596 of 18054
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Originally Posted by Satch Man View Post
Can someone provide URL links with the Navigator transitions here for those areas of Texas, and especially Hawaii, so that we can follow the rollouts? Thanks!

Jack
there really is no transition starting yet at least no information sent out to customers for current DCX boxes in North Texas and they are only deploying ODN 4.0.2.4 on the Motorola Multiroom DVRs as of now.
post #14597 of 18054
We all know that Hawaii's Navigator conversion will end sometime in May. So the transition is going right now starting with the 4250HDC. I think they will go down by box type.
post #14598 of 18054
before i get flamed for lack of research, i actually HAVE researched this question for over an hour. what i am wanting to understand whether my definition of SLOW is comparable to that experienced by others.

i have a Samsung smt-h3090 thru TWC in Charlotte.

when changing channels, sometimes it takes up to 10 seconds...that's correct, TEN seconds to tune the next channel. usually it is "only" 5-6. th

the Guide sometimes takes 5 seconds to respond to arrow movements on the remote. the channel banner is often completely different than what i am seeing on the screen.

i have tried HDMI (direct to TV) and component. it's absolutely unacceptable. i can't figure out any pattern of booting, powering etc that has remotely helped.

my SA8300 i've had for 5 years was a TAD slow, but NOTHING compared to this. WAY WAY faster.

is this normal? it's bad enough that i WILL ditch TWC when my contract is up in Sep if this is the best they've got.
post #14599 of 18054
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Originally Posted by Russianblue View Post

before i get flamed for lack of research, i actually HAVE researched this question for over an hour. what i am wanting to understand whether my definition of SLOW is comparable to that experienced by others.

i have a Samsung smt-h3090 thru TWC in Charlotte.

when changing channels, sometimes it takes up to 10 seconds...that's correct, TEN seconds to tune the next channel. usually it is "only" 5-6. th

the Guide sometimes takes 5 seconds to respond to arrow movements on the remote. the channel banner is often completely different than what i am seeing on the screen.

i have tried HDMI (direct to TV) and component. it's absolutely unacceptable. i can't figure out any pattern of booting, powering etc that has remotely helped.

my SA8300 i've had for 5 years was a TAD slow, but NOTHING compared to this. WAY WAY faster.

is this normal? it's bad enough that i WILL ditch TWC when my contract is up in Sep if this is the best they've got.

Normally, complaints of slow channel changes are related to HDMI handshaking when there are resolution changes as you switch channels, but it seems that you have eliminated that by trying component connections with same result. What you are seeing is not normal, ESPECIALLY for the 3090, which is the rocket ship of TWC DVRs. Only the Samsung 3270 is in the same league.
post #14600 of 18054
Last night I was watching the end of a hockey game, one goal lead, 30 seconds left. And Navigator decides to reboot for no reason. Took about 6 minutes and the game was long over. This reboot on its own happens about once a week or so. When I call TW about it all they want to do is reboot the box or swap out another one. We have two DVR boxes one SA and one Cisco, they both reboot on their own but not at the same time. A good hockey fan will see the irony in my title!
post #14601 of 18054
So I have been away for a while - in TiVo land.

Thinking about going back to Navigator now that the dust has settled.

Can someone please give me a rundown of the boxes that work with external drive, and boxes where an internal swap works?

Thanks,
xnappo
post #14602 of 18054
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Originally Posted by xnappo View Post

So I have been away for a while - in TiVo land.

Thinking about going back to Navigator now that the dust has settled.

Can someone please give me a rundown of the boxes that work with external drive, and boxes where an internal swap works?

Thanks,
xnappo

Not much has changed... Legacy MDN 8300HD is still only reliable eSATA option. 1TB works nicely internally with 8640HDC for the new generation boxes.
post #14603 of 18054
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Originally Posted by Russianblue View Post

before i get flamed for lack of research, i actually HAVE researched this question for over an hour. what i am wanting to understand whether my definition of SLOW is comparable to that experienced by others.

i have a Samsung smt-h3090 thru TWC in Charlotte.

when changing channels, sometimes it takes up to 10 seconds...that's correct, TEN seconds to tune the next channel. usually it is "only" 5-6. th

the Guide sometimes takes 5 seconds to respond to arrow movements on the remote. the channel banner is often completely different than what i am seeing on the screen.

i have tried HDMI (direct to TV) and component. it's absolutely unacceptable. i can't figure out any pattern of booting, powering etc that has remotely helped.

my SA8300 I've had for 5 years was a TAD slow, but NOTHING compared to this. WAY WAY faster.

is this normal? it's bad enough that i WILL ditch TWC when my contract is up in Sep if this is the best they've got.

Hi Russian,

No, a 5-10 second pause of channel changes is not normal. My SA-8300 HDC is a little bit slower than my SA-8300HD that died, but not by that much, maybe there is a couple of seconds difference. However, it is absolutely insane how much of a difference there can be with the same boxes, and software, from division to division!

Your options:

1.) Have you switched to Component Cables to see if that makes a difference? Picture and sound settings will need to be adjusted on the box accordingly. That might speed things up, especially if this is an HDMI cable handshaking issue.

2.) Have you tried new fresh batteries in your remote? We have had instances of slow responses from the remotes to the boxes, being improved with fresh batteries.

3.) Have you tried a new HDMI cable, to see if that resolves the slowness issue?

4.) Have you tried a different box, or a different model box?

5.) Are neighbors and friends in your area, experiencing the same issues? If so, this may not be a box problem, but a system node problem.

6.) If you have tried most of these options on the list, you might want to call TWC and Bi-Pass the know-nothing level 1 CSR dolts and specifically request that a "Technical Operations Supervisor" be sent to your home to investigate the issue. You can even say, "I have tried several boxes, new batteries, Component Cables instead of HDMI and nothing has worked."

I just hope you can get some answers, but my friend Ben who posts from Rome New York on here went through all of this ever since they upgraded the Navigator software from ODN 3.2 to ODN 4.0 and all of his boxes are all a slow POS, and he's gone all the way up to Level 3 Supervisory Support, and the best answer that they can give his division is, it's the software.

On the other hand, other people who have gone through the troubleshooting steps have seen improvements. Like I said, it just fluctuates.

Russian, you mentioned that you had a box, (The SA-8300) that was really slow. Did that box have a C in the model number? The C-models run the newer version of Navigator, but can be slower than the non-C boxes. The older SA-8300's (no C) has shown to be very fast. It's the HDC boxes, with the C at the end of the model number, that run the newer version of Navigator, but are slower. In most divisions however, the new Samsungs are pretty fast. The new Samsungs and C boxes run the latest version of Navigator.

Troubleshoot with my list above to see if that makes a difference. If it does not, I would do that supervisor tech call. Your box should not be that slow! I hope you don't have Ben's situation here!

Jack
post #14604 of 18054
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Originally Posted by jcalabria View Post
Normally, complaints of slow channel changes are related to HDMI handshaking when there are resolution changes as you switch channels, but it seems that you have eliminated that by trying component connections with same result. What you are seeing is not normal, ESPECIALLY for the 3090, which is the rocket ship of TWC DVRs. Only the Samsung 3270 is in the same league.
Try a different remote. Some remotes only send the command when the button is released. Subconsciously you might be pressing the button long & hard trying to speed it along

I have 2 8642 DVRs. I use a Harmony One with my primary unit, the standard TWC remote with the secondary unit. The primary seems to be a bit faster. Both units are configured the same and connected via HDMI.
post #14605 of 18054
Fresh batteries do help. 3270's can still garble the HDMI picture, and this has really happened with SW v4.5.10. I still get the HDMI E007 error with out the box saying E007. The 3270 with v4.5.10 has the worst HDMI implementation of any TWC cable box.
post #14606 of 18054
I have a question. I can't access the diagnostic menus anymore on my Samsung 3270. I have TWC Northeast Ohio. I used to be able to do that by pressing select on the remote and holding it for appox. 8 seconds, then pressing the up or down arrow. Now it doesn't work. Can anyone help?
post #14607 of 18054
Try to go to channel 1999 with your remote, it won't show on your channel list but that is what we are doing in this area of SC
post #14608 of 18054
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Originally Posted by kjpjr View Post

Try to go to channel 1999 with your remote, it won't show on your channel list but that is what we are doing in this area of SC

Thanks for trying, but that doesn't work in our area.
post #14609 of 18054
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Originally Posted by kjpjr View Post

Try to go to channel 1999 with your remote, it won't show on your channel list but that is what we are doing in this area of SC

That should work (may be on a different channel in Ohio) but it has a very limited amount of information in comparison to the full hardware ([Select] then [Up]) or ODN ([Select] then [Down]) diagnostics pages. It depends what he's looking to access whether the diagnostic "channel" would be helpful.

Both sets of diagnostics pages still work as they always have here on my 3260s... they should still work for Jacko15's 3270 unless NE Ohio has received a recent update that has disabled them.

San Diego recently received an update to their Samsungs... anybody there also lose diagnostics?
post #14610 of 18054
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Originally Posted by jacko15 View Post

Thanks for trying, but that doesn't work in our area.

Unless you've been switched to the new unified channel lineup, it coould be on a different channel. The diagnostics, installer and other hidden/special channels channel don't show up up in the guide and they get skipped over in a regular Up/Dn channel scan. However, they typically do show up in the favorite channel setup list, so you can identify them there. Also, if you make them a favorite they will get tuned in a fav channel scan.
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