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post #17791 of 18536
Hey Jack... I last rebooted the 8640 38d21h ago due to flaky FF/REW operation. Although I have experienced the slowdown before, it is running just fine at the moment. Still on 5.2.0_9, with host software version OHT2.0.0.2001_86xxHDC_STD.NOESATA_F.
post #17792 of 18536
Big News from Time Warner! They are going to make their line up available via Roku boxes for streaming!

http://www.tvpredictions.com/twroku010713.htm

Now, this won't have DVR functionality, but you could ditch you Navigator loaded piece of crap box and go with the Roku running the TWC TV app. If the app works like it does on my phone, this will be good. However, there is no indication if they are going to make it available in HD.

I still plan on building my HTPC because I need a solid Whole Home DVR solution, but when the HTPC replaces my Roku, I could move that into another room. If this goes well, Roku could see a run on boxes!
post #17793 of 18536
The problem with that is where you already have Roku you probably already have TWC. It works much better on the iPad which you can take with you around the house.
post #17794 of 18536
Who cares about taking it around the house. The point was that you can replace your Navigator loaded set top, which you wouldn't take around the house anyway. It's a decent solution (if implemented properly) for customers to turn in set tops. They will also save the set top rental fee.
post #17795 of 18536
Mine serves as a kitchen TV and finds its way into bathrooms, porches, etc. So I think the "point" is TV Anywhere using these types of devices, smartphones and media players all of which started replacing the last century fad of HTPCs a while ago.
post #17796 of 18536
And again, you miss the point completely. The app on a Roku player isn't intended to be portable. It's intended to replace the set top. Nothing is replacing an HTPC which isn't even close to being obsolete. Talk to me when your iPad operates as a full fledged DVR. You are comparing apples to oranges. We aren't even talking about the same thing.
post #17797 of 18536
And again, my point is the Roku app is a marginal, insignificant development in the bigger picture. Roku, Apple TV, Google TV, iPads, smartphones, etc. started replacing the STB (to some extent) long before a TWC Roku app. If TWC expected any big STB deactivates from a Roku app it would never be offered. TV Anywhere is still the overriding strategy. TWC sees this as another way to keep you locked into your cable subscription which more than offsets some box deactivates.
post #17798 of 18536
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Originally Posted by BenJF3 View Post

Big News from Time Warner! They are going to make their line up available via Roku boxes for streaming!
http://www.tvpredictions.com/twroku010713.htm
Now, this won't have DVR functionality, but you could ditch you Navigator loaded piece of crap box and go with the Roku running the TWC TV app. If the app works like it does on my phone, this will be good. However, there is no indication if they are going to make it available in HD.
I still plan on building my HTPC because I need a solid Whole Home DVR solution, but when the HTPC replaces my Roku, I could move that into another room. If this goes well, Roku could see a run on boxes!

 

Sounds OK on the face of it, but equipping a whole house with these instead of conventional STBs might just cost you more once you figure out how fast your RoadRunner service will need to be to support them.  If someone will be streaming to several sets simultaneously along with other online activities, I think the starting point would be 30Mb/s service, with the ridiculously expensive 50Mb/s a serious consideration for some folks.  I'm pretty sure TWC is well aware of this and it is part of their master conspiracy to part us from our money.  There are very few here that don't already believe that selling us bandwidth is what TWC has made their priority over traditional video delivery services... this is just another step in that direction.

 

That said, I think it would be a good option for me in a few secondary viewing areas such as in bedrooms and possibly the kitchen.  The $50 cost for the Roku HD is a pretty low hurdle to jump for rooms that currently just have analog/clearQAM, too.  If only my house had as much network cabling as it does coax...when we built it in the early '90s I put in over 3000' of RG-6 and almost 2000' of 12ga speaker cable... but not a single foot of UTP.  Great foresight!!!


Edited by jcalabria - 1/7/13 at 8:47am
post #17799 of 18536
Now they just need to stop blocking rooted android devices, from using the mobile app.
post #17800 of 18536
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Originally Posted by its.mike View Post

Now they just need to stop blocking rooted android devices, from using the mobile app.

i was using it on my rooted sprint sgIII
post #17801 of 18536
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Originally Posted by jcalabria View Post

Sounds OK on the face of it, but equipping a whole house with these instead of conventional STBs might just cost you more once you figure out how fast your RoadRunner service will need to be to support them.  If someone will be streaming to several sets simultaneously along with other online activities, I think the starting point would be 30Mb/s service, with the ridiculously expensive 50Mb/s a serious consideration for some folks.  I'm pretty sure TWC is well aware of this and it is part of their master conspiracy to part us from our money.  There are very few here that don't already believe that selling us bandwidth is what TWC has made their priority over traditional video delivery services... this is just another step in that direction.

That said, I think it would be a good option for me in a few secondary viewing areas such as in bedrooms and possibly the kitchen.  The $50 cost for the Roku HD is a pretty low hurdle to jump for rooms that currently just have analog/clearQAM, too.  If only my house had as much network cabling as it does coax...when we built it in the early '90s I put in over 3000' of RG-6 and almost 2000' of 12ga speaker cable... but not a single foot of UTP.  Great foresight!!!

Exactly. The average joe (no pun intended!) isn't going to replace their set top with a streaming device. However, my point is at least they have another option. It's a nice solution for a kids room or kitchen set, etc. I have to give credit to Time Warner for allowing it. When they do something right, I'll be the first to admit it.
post #17802 of 18536
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Originally Posted by hikouka View Post

i was using it on my rooted sprint sgIII
Odd. I cant get live streaming to work on my Nexus 7 nor my Galaxy Nexus.
post #17803 of 18536
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Originally Posted by its.mike View Post

Odd. I cant get live streaming to work on my Nexus 7 nor my Galaxy Nexus.

what rom's are you using? i'm using strongsteve's odexed blue, might wanna ask over on xda
post #17804 of 18536
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Originally Posted by BenJF3 View Post

And again, you miss the point completely. The app on a Roku player isn't intended to be portable. It's intended to replace the set top. Nothing is replacing an HTPC which isn't even close to being obsolete. Talk to me when your iPad operates as a full fledged DVR. You are comparing apples to oranges. We aren't even talking about the same thing.

WMC has been included in the last few versions of Windows. Windows 8 doesn't include WMC. Microsoft removed it because they felt no one was really interested in it anymore.
post #17805 of 18536
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Originally Posted by jcalabria View Post

Sounds OK on the face of it, but equipping a whole house with these instead of conventional STBs might just cost you more once you figure out how fast your RoadRunner service will need to be to support them.  If someone will be streaming to several sets simultaneously along with other online activities, I think the starting point would be 30Mb/s service, with the ridiculously expensive 50Mb/s a serious consideration for some folks.  I'm pretty sure TWC is well aware of this and it is part of their master conspiracy to part us from our money.  There are very few here that don't already believe that selling us bandwidth is what TWC has made their priority over traditional video delivery services... this is just another step in that direction.

That said, I think it would be a good option for me in a few secondary viewing areas such as in bedrooms and possibly the kitchen.  The $50 cost for the Roku HD is a pretty low hurdle to jump for rooms that currently just have analog/clearQAM, too.  If only my house had as much network cabling as it does coax...when we built it in the early '90s I put in over 3000' of RG-6 and almost 2000' of 12ga speaker cable... but not a single foot of UTP.  Great foresight!!!

Only the top of the line Roku ($99+) has an Ethernet connection, everthing else is wifi only. Your Internet speed quickly becomes unimportant.. Wifi speed is the limiting factor. Try streaming video to 3+ devices and see what you get.
Edited by rdgcss - 1/7/13 at 4:54pm
post #17806 of 18536
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Originally Posted by rdgcss View Post

WMC has been included in the last few versions of Windows. Windows 8 doesn't include WMC. Microsoft removed it because they felt no one was really interested in it anymore.

Many people are. Windows 8 is the new Windows Me with its interface anyway. Most people I'm talking to are staying with Windows 7. Yes, WMC is a niche market but, the HTPC crowd is alive and well as I research my build. Windows 8 is more of a touch screen/tablet OS and that's fine. For PC based users, Windows 7 is better suited.
post #17807 of 18536
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Originally Posted by rdgcss View Post


Only the top of the line Roku ($99+) has an Ethernet connection, everthing else is wifi only. Your Internet speed quickly becomes unimportant.. Wifi speed is the limiting factor. Try streaming video to 3+ devices and see what you get.

Then the hurdle is $99 for me... would not even think of doing it WiFi (and if anybody could, it would be me with three APs covering the house so each area of the house would have its own bandwidth "cell", but I also like the freedom of using that bandwidth to stream live TV wirelessly to our laptops using HDHR/WMC).

post #17808 of 18536
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Originally Posted by jcalabria View Post

Then the hurdle is $99 for me... would not even think of doing it WiFi (and if anybody could, it would be me with three APs covering the house so each area of the house would have its own bandwidth "cell", but I also like the freedom of using that bandwidth to stream live TV wirelessly to our laptops using HDHR/WMC).

Totally agree. I have Sig Home with 10/5 to a Wireless gigabit router, to 2 8 port gigabit switches, one of which is in the den directly behind the equipment. TV, Blu-Ray, Wii, Apple TV, Roku, wireless access point all connected via cat6. Much smoother & reliable than wifi. Wifi reserved for IPad, IPad Mini, IPhone, notebook with XP. To me wifi should only be used for portable devices.
post #17809 of 18536
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Originally Posted by rdgcss View Post

Totally agree. I have Sig Home with 10/5 to a Wireless gigabit router, to 2 8 port gigabit switches, one of which is in the den directly behind the equipment. TV, Blu-Ray, Wii, Apple TV, Roku, wireless access point all connected via cat6. Much smoother & reliable than wifi. Wifi reserved for IPad, IPad Mini, IPhone, notebook with XP. To me wifi should only be used for portable devices.

I concur, I try to connect via network cable whenever possible. Years ago I pre-wired some rooms with CAT 5e, but now I have some other runs to do. I'm debating just installing a MoCa network since every room is wired with RG-6.

My daughter was happy when I upgrade from the four port to an 8 port switch in the living room because I was able to connect the Xbox directly which really improved latency on Xbox Live.
post #17810 of 18536
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Originally Posted by its.mike View Post

Odd. I cant get live streaming to work on my Nexus 7 nor my Galaxy Nexus.

This was happening on my rooted nexus 4. The twc tv app checks for superuser.apk on your phone. What i had to do was rename superuser.apk to something different. I went with 'su.apk'. All your rooted apps will still work and superuser will also.
post #17811 of 18536
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Originally Posted by boothmaster View Post

This was happening on my rooted nexus 4. The twc tv app checks for superuser.apk on your phone. What i had to do was rename superuser.apk to something different. I went with 'su.apk'. All your rooted apps will still work and superuser will also.
I'm gonna have to try that. But they shouldn't even check at all. It's not like being rooted will let me get around the fact that when I login the server does all the heavy lifting in terms of verification.
post #17812 of 18536
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Originally Posted by rdgcss View Post

Only the top of the line Roku ($99+) has an Ethernet connection, everthing else is wifi only.

 

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Originally Posted by jcalabria View Post

Then the hurdle is $99 for me...

 

1SaleADay has the top model Roku 2 XS for $49 today... refurbs, of course.

post #17813 of 18536
Dang it. I can't pass that up. I was trying to be frugal since I have a (very slow, annoying) blu-ray player that does pretty much what the roku does.
post #17814 of 18536
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Originally Posted by xcrunner529 View Post

Dang it. I can't pass that up. I was trying to be frugal since I have a (very slow, annoying) blu-ray player that does pretty much what the roku does.

Roku claims to have over 600 channels. You basically have to install an app for each one. There isn't enough memory in any of the units to install anywhere this many. I have no idea how many you can install. The top-of-the-line XS has a micro SD slot that allows you to insert a card and expand the memory. The card slot can't be used for anything else. There is a USB port that can be used to display pictures or view movies stored on a USB stick. Grab one, you will love it.
post #17815 of 18536
Finally have a working CableCard!!!! WMC absolutely smokes Navigator in every conceivable way! Even the tech that swapped the bad card they gave me was amazed with it. He couldn't grasp that the Xbox was streaming content off the network and that I had this beautiful guide with all these options.

Going to do a trial run of it and I'd that goes to plan build my HTPC and convert everything over. The Ceton Echo is working nicely, but sometimes stutters. The Xbox did the same. It very well could be my PC as its loaded with crisp right now. If I build a full on HTPC it will have an SSD for running tasks and an AV drive for storage.

With any luck, I'll be Navigator free shortly!
post #17816 of 18536
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Finally have a working CableCard!!!! WMC absolutely smokes Navigator in every conceivable way! Even the tech that swapped the bad card they gave me was amazed with it. He couldn't grasp that the Xbox was streaming content off the network and that I had this beautiful guide with all these options.

Great Ben! I wish more TWC field techs, and all TWC personnel in fact, could see how competing guides from other companies blow Navigator away! Ben, when you get your whole equipment set-up, you should make a You Tube Video Presentation! Very cool!

Jack


PS. Is the guide and content in HD? (On the HD channels?)
post #17817 of 18536
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

Then get rid of encryption (at least for the 1st tiers) and let the customer use their QAM capable tuner inside their TV that they paid for.
They made their systems so complicated, they are spending $$ on a computerized maze they can't maintain or understand. I'd love to know how many 'truck rolls' are wasted, due to the problem being in the 'head end'?

Sorry you won't see encryption being dropped. In fact FCC gave permission to encrypt even broadcast basic. Expect to see that in urban areas that have high theft rates.
post #17818 of 18536
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Originally Posted by Satch Man View Post

Great Ben! I wish more TWC field techs, and all TWC personnel in fact, could see how competing guides from other companies blow Navigator away! Ben, when you get your whole equipment set-up, you should make a You Tube Video Presentation! Very cool!

Jack


PS. Is the guide and content in HD? (On the HD channels?)
Limitations of Navigator are mostly because of the wide variety of installed boxes some being 10 years old. But honestly what cable company box can compare with WMC?
post #17819 of 18536
The Arris Gateway is closest. At least you get VOD access. Of everything I've compared, I can say that if TWC offered me an Arris System, I would not bother with the hassle and expense of an HTPC as well as stay a Sig Home sub.
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Originally Posted by nyctveng View Post

Limitations of Navigator are mostly because of the wide variety of installed boxes some being 10 years old. But honestly what cable company box can compare with WMC?

There are quite a few of FTTH systems that are using Windows Media for their Middle-ware, I looked into for ours but is cost prohibitive at this time. From what was demo'd to me from Alcatel-Lucent I can tell you that no Cable Companies Middle-ware can touch it.
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