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post #301 of 18536
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Originally Posted by kcmotwcuser View Post

I use the composite connections as I didn't want to spend the bucks for a HDMI cable. Is it really worth the expense, as TWC will only provide composite cables when installing HD in your home.

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Originally Posted by kcmotwcuser View Post

And I thought Navigator was to provide more compliance with new laws.

Having downloadable security is part of the long term objectives of Navigator.
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Originally Posted by kcmotwcuser View Post

I thought by law they are required to have a working DMI or HDMI connection along with 1394 support. So what I am hearing Navigator doesn't support either.

They are required to provide a STB that supports such if the customer requests it. But, from what I have read here, the current Navigator does work with HDMI, the issues that some are having with HDMI are typical of problems with SARA and Passport as well. Most of these issues relate to compatibility with AV receivers and the particular TVs (for example, if the TV signals via HDMI that it can handle only 2 channel, then the 8300 complies).
post #302 of 18536
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Originally Posted by kcmotwcuser View Post

The real push seems to be Daylight Savings time. I don't know why but maybe the old Passport doesn't like the new date for daylight savings time this year and they don't want to pay for a Passport update to fix it.

This is an issue with all versions of SW (SARA, Passport and Navigator). All software will be updated by the time daylight savings time takes place (now 3 weeks earlier).
post #303 of 18536
I thought the base reason for the [pick your software] challenges with HDMI to the TV and optical DD5.1 to the AVR was: the 8300 hardware only has one digital audio path and thus cannot simultaneously send the TV one mix and the optical another. Thus the software writers have to choose, whatever the audio [EDID equivalent] interprets.

Trying to get DD5.1 through the TV via HDMI and the discussion over [first vs. second sinks] would seem to be a more advanced dance around compliance of all the components.

v/r,
C-F
post #304 of 18536
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Originally Posted by kcmotwcuser View Post

I use the composite connections as I didn't want to spend the bucks for a HDMI cable. Is it really worth the expense, as TWC will only provide composite cables when installing HD in your home.

And I thought Navigator was to provide more compliance with new laws. I thought by law they are required to have a working DMI or HDMI connection along with 1394 support. So what I am hearing Navigator doesn't support either.

Whether or not you will see a diff using HDMI or not will really depend on your display. If you have a fixed pixel display (ie, DLP, LCD, Plasma), then you will probably be able to see a difference. I did. If you have an older rear projection tv then most people can't really see the diff. In the end it's personal preference. For me it was worth the money.

My setup is as follows, btw:

Mitsubishi 62" DLP (WD-62725)
Pioneer VSX-84TXSi 7.1 HDMI A/V Receiver
Time Warner Cable Columbus HD-DVR (SA 8300HD Passport 5.0.662)
Toshiba SD-1800 DVD Player
XBOX 360
Monster Reference Powercenter HTS 3500
Axiom Epic 80.500 7.1 Speakers
post #305 of 18536
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Originally Posted by Dorny423 View Post

The one thing I am really starting to miss is the ability to hit a button on the remote and switch from normal to zoom (or stretch). With this you have to go through the menu to change it and then through the menu again to change it back. Unless there is something I am missing and the button changed.


I discovered that the # button works on my remote to change from normal to stretch to zoom.
post #306 of 18536
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Originally Posted by davehancock View Post

This is an issue with all versions of SW (SARA, Passport and Navigator). All software will be updated by the time daylight savings time takes place (now 3 weeks earlier).

Didn't think the IPG software had that much to do with time; from what I see, time comes from what I surmise is a separate process at the head end. If I re-boot my box, the first thing that appears is the time. After it is displayed, the software download process begins. From this it sure would seem that there shouldn't be any issues as the DST/ST dates change this year.
post #307 of 18536
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Originally Posted by nicholc2 View Post

Whether or not you will see a diff using HDMI or not will really depend on your display. If you have a fixed pixel display (ie, DLP, LCD, Plasma), then you will probably be able to see a difference. I did. If you have an older rear projection tv then most people can't really see the diff. In the end it's personal preference. For me it was worth the money.

I think it may be slightly more complicated than that. This sure is one area with a LOT of very different opinions. FWIW, my tests indicate both connections are very similar in color, saturation, sharpness. BUT one significant different is that component is overall darker. At least for me it sure was.

And don't forget that component is an analog connection; as such, it can be susceptible to various forms or interference, while HDMI should be immune to such things.
post #308 of 18536
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On my system, with a 60" Pioneer plasma, I've done A/B testing with it wired both ways so you can switch back and forth quickly. I can't tell ANY difference between HDMI and component, none. YMMV.
post #309 of 18536
Does anyone know if TWC in NC (greensboro) will have navigator rolled out?
post #310 of 18536
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Originally Posted by Riverside_Guy View Post

Didn't think the IPG software had that much to do with time; from what I see, time comes from what I surmise is a separate process at the head end. If I re-boot my box, the first thing that appears is the time. After it is displayed, the software download process begins. From this it sure would seem that there shouldn't be any issues as the DST/ST dates change this year.

It is apparentl that there are some low level SW housekeeping processes going on that relate to time in the 8300s. These operations incorporate a standard algorithm for daylight savings time. Now that the algorithm is changed (moving 3 weeks sooner and one week later) the software has to be changed. This is not, in itself, related to the IPG - but cable does try to minimize SW updates, because (as with any product) SW updates can generate unexpected problems. As a result, they will try to group these together.
post #311 of 18536
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Originally Posted by jacksonian View Post

On my system, with a 60" Pioneer plasma, I've done A/B testing with it wired both ways so you can switch back and forth quickly. I can't tell ANY difference between HDMI and component, none. YMMV.

It could be as simple as the fact that my tv doesn't handle analog to digital conversion as well as other tvs. Who knows? That's why it's always best to test it out and see. For some it's noticable, for others it's not. If you can get your hands on a cable from a friend (or a store that will let you return it) then you can test and see.
post #312 of 18536
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Originally Posted by jacksonian View Post

On my system, with a 60" Pioneer plasma, I've done A/B testing with it wired both ways so you can switch back and forth quickly. I can't tell ANY difference between HDMI and component, none. YMMV.

In addition to nicholc2's comment, when the display has a native resolution scan rate of 768 (as do most plasmas & LCDs), you never get top resolution with either 720p or 1080i due to the need for scaling. That would make it less likely that you would see a difference on such displays.
post #313 of 18536
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Originally Posted by Riverside_Guy View Post

Didn't think the IPG software had that much to do with time...

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Originally Posted by davehancock View Post

It is apparent that there are some low level SW housekeeping processes going on that relate to time in the 8300s...

And previous versions of PASSPORT had trouble with [series recordings using time-slots] the DST change, so the internal storage of IPG/recording times and translation to the current [head-end time-server] was a problem at that time. Else they could just send a reboot / reload-IPG signal to every box right after the DST time change...

v/r,
C-F
post #314 of 18536
Well, it makes sense. It probably only checks the time with the headend when you boot it. If it's running when DST takes affect, it has to make the adjustment itself, just like Windows. (Of course, XP normally checks a network time server daily, but it would still adjust for DST if it weren't connected to the net).
post #315 of 18536
They probably sync the time every night when they update the IPG too, but it does make sense that it still has to be able to deal with DST on it's own via software or else everyone would have to delete and reschedule all their scheduled recordings.
post #316 of 18536
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On my system, with a 60" Pioneer plasma, I've done A/B testing with it wired both ways so you can switch back and forth quickly. I can't tell ANY difference between HDMI and component, none. YMMV.

When I 1st got my SA8300SD, component & HDMI were both active, so I have HDMI connect to the TV & component connected to my AVR (since it will switch component). With the latest update to Passport component is no longer active when HDMI cable is connected. Do anyone know or can verify that under the new Navigator that both are active at the same time?
post #317 of 18536
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Originally Posted by MTKSU View Post

I discovered that the # button works on my remote to change from normal to stretch to zoom.

Tried that out and it didn't work. Maybe it is the remote, not really sure if it works for you.
post #318 of 18536
Yes, Mystro supports SATA drives. However, you can't choose where your content will be recorded to when setting up a recording, nor can you pull the drive and plug it into another set top box to watch recorded content. Content is keyed to the set top that recorded it.
post #319 of 18536
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Originally Posted by nicholc2 View Post

It could be as simple as the fact that my tv doesn't handle analog to digital conversion as well as other tvs. Who knows? That's why it's always best to test it out and see. For some it's noticable, for others it's not. If you can get your hands on a cable from a friend (or a store that will let you return it) then you can test and see.

On my Panasonic CRT HD TV, using the DVI input provides a dramatically better picture (much better color balance, contrast and black level) than component (with identical settings). I'm sure it is a matter of the TVs inputs, as opposed to output differences from my SA8300HD, but echoing the above, you need to try it out and see.
post #320 of 18536
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Originally Posted by Dorny423 View Post

Tried that out and it didn't work. Maybe it is the remote, not really sure if it works for you.


It works, but I have the newest remote that TWC is giving out with the 8300HD. The model # is: UR5U-8500L-TWL

I looked but can't find a link to it anywhere on the web. It's a nice improvement over the older remote...and the # key does change the screen shape.

I would guess that if you bring your old one to the TWC office and tell them you'd like a new one you'll get it.
post #321 of 18536
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Originally Posted by kcmotwcuser View Post

I will give that a test when I get Navigator on my 8300HD.

When in CBL mode, the "Video Source" button does exactly what the # key does, switch stretch and zoom modes. We both have passport and while I suppose it's possible yours won't work that way, I'd be surprised if it did NOT work the same.
post #322 of 18536
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Originally Posted by Dorny423 View Post

The HDMI works. I just can't send a Dolby Digital signal to my receiver when I hook the HDMI up directly to my TV. I don't have a receiver that has HDMI so running the HDMI through my receiver and then to the TV wasn't an option. If I had such a receiver there probably wouldn't be a problem.

I have an ancient AVR (6 years old) that has nothing bewtter than S-Video BUT it has both optical and co-ax audio inputs. The 8300 has both forms for audio out. HDMI to the TV, optical to the AVR, set the 8300 Dolby Digital.
post #323 of 18536
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Originally Posted by MTKSU View Post

It works, but I have the newest remote that TWC is giving out with the 8300HD. The model # is: UR5U-8500L-TWL

I looked but can't find a link to it anywhere on the web. It's a nice improvement over the older remote...and the # key does change the screen shape.

I would guess that if you bring your old one to the TWC office and tell them you'd like a new one you'll get it.

Is that the one with the kind of reddish backlighting?
post #324 of 18536
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Originally Posted by Riverside_Guy View Post

I have an ancient AVR (6 years old) that has nothing bewtter than S-Video BUT it has both optical and co-ax audio inputs. The 8300 has both forms for audio out. HDMI to the TV, optical to the AVR, set the 8300 Dolby Digital.

Mine is like that too although I have component on my AVR. I used to do the same thing you are doing when we had passport. Like I said earlier it is an issue with Navigator right now. Passport has it built in where you can shut down the audio going through HDMI and use the coax or optical outs to your AVR (while sending your HDMI directly to your TV) for your audio. Navigator doesn't let you do that or at least it doesn't yet. So I am left with options of using the HDMI and letting my AVR use Pro Logic II to decode the 2 channel audio or using component and getting the DD 5.1.
post #325 of 18536
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Originally Posted by Riverside_Guy View Post

When in CBL mode, the "Video Source" button does exactly what the # key does, switch stretch and zoom modes. We both have passport and while I suppose it's possible yours won't work that way, I'd be surprised if it did NOT work the same.

Whoa, hold on - the question is the '#' key doing stretch/zoom *with Navigator* - MTKSU - are you talking about Navigator or Passport?

Thanks,
xnappo
post #326 of 18536
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Originally Posted by xnappo View Post

Whoa, hold on - the question is the '#' key doing stretch/zoom *with Navigator* - MTKSU - are you talking about Navigator or Passport?

Thanks,
xnappo

To clarify:
Navigator
8300HD
New remote (yes, the one that has a light button that makes it "reddish" so you can see all the buttons in the dark).
Press the # button: stretch/zoom/normal
video source button does nothing as far as I can tell
post #327 of 18536
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Originally Posted by xnappo View Post

Whoa, hold on - the question is the '#' key doing stretch/zoom *with Navigator* - MTKSU - are you talking about Navigator or Passport?

Thanks,
xnappo

Riverside_Guy was responding to something over in the Passport thread (same post is there too)- I suspect he somehow made a reply in the wrong window.
post #328 of 18536
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Originally Posted by davehancock View Post

Riverside_Guy was responding to something over in the Passport thread (same post is there too)- I suspect he somehow made a reply in the wrong window.

Dave, MTKSU - thanks for the clarification.

xnappo
post #329 of 18536
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Originally Posted by davehancock View Post

Riverside_Guy was responding to something over in the Passport thread (same post is there too)- I suspect he somehow made a reply in the wrong window.

You are TOTALLY WRONG. I was responding to a post in this thread, that I correctly quoted.

In your zeal to nitpick anything I say, you have lost track of following the discussion. This constant nitpicking is getting very tiresome.
post #330 of 18536
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Originally Posted by Riverside_Guy View Post

You are TOTALLY WRONG. I was responding to a post in this thread, that I correctly quoted.

In your zeal to nitpick anything I say, you have lost track of following the discussion. This constant nitpicking is getting very tiresome.


Welcome to the club. Dave's really good at mis-reading, mis-quoting, and mis-leading anyone he disagrees with. Don't expect him to change his behavior and/or attitude, though.
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