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post #3031 of 18142
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Originally Posted by peter144 View Post

Even Microsoft has the courtesy asks if it is OK to restart your computer so that you have time to complete what you are doing.

Sorry to go off-topic, but this has been a hot button for me for a couple of years now. Sure MS asks if it's ok to reboot now or wait. However, it "waits" all of 10 minutes before asking you again - with a time-out. If you had walked away from the machine or it asks overnight and you never even saw the prompt, you lose. It reboots and everything you had running is lost. How they can get away with something that clearly results in data loss (the #1 cardinal sin in software development) is beyond me.

Anyway, just to had my SA8300HDC experience, I have not had any of the serious issues (audio dropout, lost recordings, etc) described here. I was at my brother-in-law's last night and he too has this box and said he'd had no issues. We both have Navigator 2.4.5_4 and we both have our issues with some of the functionality of Navigator compared to what we had with Passport, but no complaints with regard to stability of the box. I didn't think to ask him, but I have yet to see any attempts to perform a download. They may have occurred overnight, but I've never observed one and certainly not while recording. That would be on-par with what MS does with their updates (to bring this post full circle).
post #3032 of 18142
Also a bit off topic - but this document of a discussion between the cable cos and Tivo is promising for the next generation Tivo:
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/r...ent=6519815501

Page 1 we have already discussed, but the rest has some interesting tidbits about what the future holds. Basically sounds like a reasonable compromise (gasp!) between OCAP and DCR+.

xnappo
post #3033 of 18142
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Originally Posted by robotron2084 View Post

Sorry to go off-topic, but this has been a hot button for me for a couple of years now. Sure MS asks if it's ok to reboot now or wait. However, it "waits" all of 10 minutes before asking you again - with a time-out. If you had walked away from the machine or it asks overnight and you never even saw the prompt, you lose. .

I know we are off topic...but I suggest that you set your computer to have Microsoft NOTIFY you when updates are available but NOT to download or install them. Ditto whatever antivirus software you use. (Norton is a real pain in that regard; once you download/install certain updates, you have to reboot immediately.)

Anyone, once you have the notification, you can decide when to download and if you have to reboot, it will be at your convenience, not theirs.
post #3034 of 18142
Sounds interesting, but I don't like how you have to "switch" between the Tivo DVR and cable. I would like to see a seamless integration between the two that allows for On-Demand access as well, but this is a good starting point. At least Tivo is expressing interest in working with and coming up with a solution.
post #3035 of 18142
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Originally Posted by robotron2084 View Post

Sorry to go off-topic, but this has been a hot button for me for a couple of years now. Sure MS asks if it's ok to reboot now or wait. However, it "waits" all of 10 minutes before asking you again - with a time-out. If you had walked away from the machine or it asks overnight and you never even saw the prompt, you lose. It reboots and everything you had running is lost. How they can get away with something that clearly results in data loss (the #1 cardinal sin in software development) is beyond me.

Um, Microsoft does have an option. (At least in Windows XP)

Control Panel> Automatic Updates>

1) Automatic: Downloads and installs for you

2) Downloads, but let you chose when to install

3) Notify me, but don't automatically download or install.

4) Off (Use Windows Update to install manually)
post #3036 of 18142
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Originally Posted by PedjaR View Post

Oh, that's a pain, but at least it works
So, it gets new new day guide overnight while recording?

PedjaR, just realized this was a question, not a statement... yes it gets the new day guide each night... In the diagnostics, it looks like it is getting it around 4:30 am.
post #3037 of 18142
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Originally Posted by peter144 View Post

I know we are off topic...but I suggest that you set your computer to have Microsoft NOTIFY you when updates are available but NOT to download or install them. Ditto whatever antivirus software you use. (Norton is a real pain in that regard; once you download/install certain updates, you have to reboot immediately.)

Anyone, once you have the notification, you can decide when to download and if you have to reboot, it will be at your convenience, not theirs.

Actually, I should have mentioned that I did eventually do that. But it required getting a tool to hack Windows because when I got my computer it was set to install automatically and the options to change it were all disabled.
post #3038 of 18142
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Originally Posted by BenJF3 View Post

Um, Microsoft does have an option. (At least in Windows XP)

Yes, but as I mentioned, those options were all disabled for me (and many people). Maybe it's something my company did, but it was a bear to re-enable them.

ETA: Here's what I see - everything disabled (though at least I have it set correctly now).
Anyway, I didn't mean to run this thread off-topic.
post #3039 of 18142
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Originally Posted by nmspace View Post

PedjaR, just realized this was a question, not a statement... yes it gets the new day guide each night... In the diagnostics, it looks like it is getting it around 4:30 am.

Thanks for posting this,

Now with Passport, I get updates like this about once a week between 4-5 am. When Navigator comes, I am sure that the updates will be much more frequent but hopefully not too inconvenient. In the 20+ years with cable, and the 5 years with digital boxes cable will do this often.

Remember though that all of this data is very tightly integrated. Meaning that more and more, the updates are affecting not only the cable box/software, but all of the data on the network. (Road Runner, Digital Phone, and Digital Cable if you have all three services from TWC.) I would like to see stronger communication between the customer and the cable company as a common courtesy as to let it be known before updates are done. This is obviously, so people with advance notice of major updates, aren't recording or watching something of critical importance to them. This raises another point, and that is how many people, unknown to them that Navigator requires a longer boot time of 5-10 minutes or more, are thinking that their boxes are "broken" when an update takes an unusually long time?

Jack
post #3040 of 18142
Hmmm, robo.... must be something either the company or manufacturer did because I build systems and install boxed version OS without all the bloated garbage that come pre-installed with manufactured systems (IE: Dell, HP, etc.).
post #3041 of 18142
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Originally Posted by edwarto View Post

does anyone at time warner even look at this feature ? on a 16x9 screen the box is about a 1/3 into the middle of the screen totaly wrong? it should be in the bottom corner or the top? I just cant belive it is sitting where it is you cant use it ?
anyone else see this?

I have the same problem. Techincian was here this week and got instructions from his supervisor at TWC to install an older version of an 8300 non-HDC box. The same problem existed there. So much for supervisor advice. The technician was told that this is a known bug in the Scientific Atlanta software. But, I was not given a potential fix target. So, I had the technician re-install the 8300HDC because the menus were better and more user friendly. Picture is great, but can't fathom why the PIP is recieved in 480p instead of 1080p.

Does anyone else know of a fix??
post #3042 of 18142
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Originally Posted by WFC_Exile View Post

TWC NYC Subscriber - Well I'm glad I found this forum. I'm not crazy after all. TWC refuses to admit there is anything wrong with the new box "C" box. Had two 8300 HD's from day one (running Passport) and they worked very, very well (as long as there were no signal strength problems from the street). Hard drive finally died on one and it was replaced with an 8300 HDC. What a horrible buggy operating system Mystro Navigator is.

It constantly freezes; becomes unresponsive to keypad input; reboots; does not record when it should; erases recorded shows for no (valid) reason; can't rewind a show in progress, if you're recording it as well, without first changing the channel and then going back to it; doesn't automatically search to the show you've highlighted in the program guide; no longer has subtractive keyboard lettering on search; forces you to save no less than three previous episodes of a series recording (Passport allowed one-show save and overwrite) so if (for example) you record a number of evening newscasts each day - your HD gets filled up with days of useless old-news programs that you have to manually delete; it doesn't tell you immediately if you have a recording conflict - you've got to search the list afterwords; the new "TV Guide" program guide no longer tells you if a show is a repeat - only if it is new; can't choose to record a later airing of a program (e.g: if you don't want to record the 9:00 PM version of a new "How It's Made" because you're recording two other shows at that time that only run once - well you're just out of luck unless you change it manually - and you better check the conflict list - b/c it just records the last two shows you scheduled and silently ignores the first one) - and I could go on!

What were they thinking releasing this poorly written piece of software? Not one of these issues existed in the years-old Passport software. Isn't anyone from TW monitoring the BB's? How can they not care? The operating system on the 8300HDC is a giant step backwards! No wonder there's a delay answering your service call due to "excessive call volume."

Have you found a fix to the recording inconsistencies? I was thinking that maybe the Navigator automatically deletes a recorded show if you attempt to record another one, and there is not enough memory. Is that possible? You've had about one week more experience than I have.
post #3043 of 18142
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Originally Posted by Satch Man View Post

This is a beautifully well worded letter describing all of the bugs that we have talked about. I hope that the division heads are aware of these bugs and annoyances because this REALLY hurts TWC's PR image if they were not informed about these things. Update for me, is that it appears that Navigator has been delayed in my area. (Plans were for deployment by the first of the year.) It has shown up on some non-OCAP boxes, but not on non-OCAP DVR's yet. Here in Wisconsin, we were very fortunate to have the Navigator test roll out last January and at that time, as you might have guessed it was beyond awful. (Although, I have been told not as bad as what happened when the rollout was deployed regardless of box type or model in Lincoln Nebraska.) So far, from what little information I have the recent roll-out to non-DVR's has been OK. (The non-OCAP boxes) The rollout began around the second week of December, and supposedly they are doing each roll out individually by box type to avoid conflicts and problems.

What is still unknown or at least needs further study is. Are the problems:

1.) Exclusive to OCAP (C-Boxes)? Sara uses have reported problems with OCAP. Haven't heard about Passport and OCAP

2.) Related to head ends and state network cable structures that can not handle OCAP technology?

3.) The lack of communication between the functionality of the OS (regardless of Passport, Navigator, or Sara) the OCAP boxes (predominately Scientific Atlanta (SA) ) and the cable companies?

4.) How often the head-ends of a cable system are updated, how the OS and the boxes respond to updates?

5.) The experience and competency of the engineers, programmers, and field techs, which may vary considerably from state to state and even from division to division within a state?

IF Navigator starts getting rolled out on non OCAP boxes with little or no problems than we know that it is most likely the cable cards/design of the OCAP boxes more than Navigator stability. If Navigator is problematic on the non-OCAP boxes, than Navigator is most likely the problem and should be shelved with TWC paying Passport for the updates to support SDV technology.

But having said all of this, people should not be having to go through the problems that they are having trying to be rocket scientists to get a functionally stable new box and IPG. Either TWC, the FCC, SA, or a combination of all three created a foundation and system that clearly was not tested before the deadline of July 1, 2007. This was when the FCC mandated that the cable operators must rent out Integrated Cable Card boxes. Despite what TWC says, nowhere did they say that they HAD to develop Navigator. TWC choose not to pay Passport the licensing fees to support SDV updates, which would have meant later versions of the Passport IPG. To save money, they insisted on developing their own in-house version IPG called Navigator in two versions:

1.) The first version was/is OCAP Digital Navigator, which was developed for TWC OCAP boxes and DVR's. (This is the version that you have with any C-box or DVR unit that has a C in the model number.) It's also the version causing all of the problems in divisions that have reported problems.

2.) The second version is called Mystro Digital Navigator for NON-OCAP (non-C boxes.) This is what is soon to be rolled out to my area on all non-C cable boxes and DVR's. A Milwaukee forum reported that the low memory HD Pioneer boxes get Navigator a few weeks ago downloaded to those boxes. Haven't heard of any problems so far. The early test rollouts last year were for older model Pace, and SA boxes. The download was stopped when my local office heard of the problems with Navigator in other areas. It is unknown whether these test downloads were originally designed for OCAP boxes. The test downloads were aborted in Milwaukee about March of last year due to problems.

2b.) We expect the download of Navigator to non-OCAP DVR's sometime between now and January 31st. Answers on Demand has Passport information and is leaving the line up at the end of January.

3.) A third version of Navigator is RUMORED to be in development for Sara systems sometime later next year. Others have said that TWC may release a Sara update in the interim. Sara supports SDV video now, so a move to Navigator may not be necessary. But TWC really wants one guide that they can control and regulate across state lines. They say it makes updates and consolidation of information easier, but at what expense?

The DVR downloads of Navigator as well as the remaining non-OCAP boxes will tell so much. I will never forget this quote: If technology doesn't work for people, it doesn't work at all. (This was an old advertising TV quote, and I can't remember where it was from, but it is so true!)

Jack

Thanks, Jack for your update. You have addressed all of the issues that I have experienced in the last three days. I had my second 8300HDC installed this week because twc thought the PIP problem was because of my box. WRONG!

Do you know of any work-arounds that will allow us to consistently record our shows? Does the software automatically overwrite a saved program if another program that needs its memory is requested? It would seem reasonable that if one is requesting a program to be recorded, and there is insufficient room in the memory of the box, that the user would be advised that their saved program was in "jeopardy." But, I only wrote programs that worked correctly, when I used to write software.

When I left my home today, I had several programs recorded that were waiting to be viewed. I got back from church and found that 5 or 6 of those programs were erased. Yesterday morning the remote froze. So, I rebooted. Seems to be the only way to get around that problem. What junk they coded!! Yet, we've paid for the junk!
post #3044 of 18142
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Originally Posted by break7bg View Post

Thanks, Jack for your update. You have addressed all of the issues that I have experienced in the last three days. I had my second 8300HDC installed this week because twc thought the PIP problem was because of my box. WRONG!

Do you know of any work-arounds that will allow us to consistently record our shows? Does the software automatically overwrite a saved program if another program that needs its memory is requested? It would seem reasonable that if one is requesting a program to be recorded, and there is insufficient room in the memory of the box, that the user would be advised that their saved program was in "jeopardy." But, I only wrote programs that worked correctly, when I used to write software.

When I left my home today, I had several programs recorded that were waiting to be viewed. I got back from church and found that 5 or 6 of those programs were erased. Yesterday morning the remote froze. So, I rebooted. Seems to be the only way to get around that problem. What junk they coded!! Yet, we've paid for the junk!

Glad to help, Break.

Can you post your location in your profile? This helps with troubleshooting/updates as they relate to Navigator's performance. The only thing that I have learned that might address your issues is that for Series Recordings, the default to save is 3. After that, unless you change the defaults, the fourth show gets erased. To change defaults, you have to go under "Record Series With Options" and select the number of episodes to record. Otherwise, the 4th show gets overwritten.

TWC Nebraska recently added a bunch of Navigator updates. I don't think these features are available in all divisions yet, but users should direct their division's management to this link for updates: It sounds like things are getting better for Navigator, but not so much on a national level: Here are some of the new updates:

http://www.timewarnercable.com/Nebra...ancements.html

Users, see what you have and don't have as it relates to your division. It seems more and more that a big problem appears to be the integrated cable cards in the C-boxes.

Few complaints in my Wisconsin division so far regarding Navigator. I think they are doing the non-OCAP (no C) Pioneer and Pace boxes now. The non-C SA boxes I think are next in our area. The DVR's are last to be upgraded, and for Wisconsin, this is scheduled before March 31, 2008. (A slight delay from the original December-January completion date.)

Break, my guess is that you have a C-model DVR for your Navigator box, right?

Jack
post #3045 of 18142
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Originally Posted by edwarto View Post

does anyone at time warner even look at this feature ? on a 16x9 screen the box is about a 1/3 into the middle of the screen totaly wrong? it should be in the bottom corner or the top? I just cant belive it is sitting where it is you cant use it ?
anyone else see this?

This is a hardware issue in the 8300HD and 8300HDC. There is no way to make the software to instruct the hardware to do something it cannot do. In this case, the internally-generated graphics engines inside the 8300HD and 8300HDC can only generate 640x480 graphics and place the scaled video in a window inside that 640x480 grid. The problem is that 640x480 is a 4:3 resolution. You will need to wait for Time Warner Cable to adopt the Scientific Atlanta 8550HDC, whose graphics engine can output 960x540 graphics, which is a 16:9 resolution, and for Navigator to be modified to take advantage of 960x540 graphics to solve this problem.

When reading both OCAP specifications versions 1.0 and 1.1, I noticed that support for both 640x480 and 960x540 resolutions are required by the OCAP specifications, so the 8300HDC's obsolete graphics engine prevents it from attaining OCAP compliance. I am starting to wonder if there are more hardware issues in the 8300HDC that violate the OCAP specifications in more serious ways, causing Navigator to crash due to other hardware limitations that violate OCAP minimum requirements.

The OCAP specifications are found at http://www.opencable.com/ocap/. Be aware that these specifications are written as a series of modification to another specification, so they are hard to read.
post #3046 of 18142
Time Warner, NYC. SA8300HDC box.

Perhaps this has been answered but I'm still having problems.

Sony HD TV set. FOUR inputs - TIVO, DVR, BOSE DVD/Sound system; SA8300HDC box. The HDC box inputs thru HDMI. Everything else inputs thru the usual input jacks.

When I turn on the TV, the first 3 above input sources default to wide screen as they are supposed to per the TV settings for their input.

The cable box defaults to "normal" which means a smaller picture until I push the aspect button on the cable remote, usually 4 times, to get the wide screen on the TV.

The cable box is set for 16 x 9 (matches the TV); and a wide screen output.

How do I always get a wide screen from the cable box when I turn on the TV, regardless of whether I'm dealing with an SD or HD channel?

Thank you.
post #3047 of 18142
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Originally Posted by peter144 View Post

Time Warner, NYC. SA8300HDC box.

Perhaps this has been answered but I'm still having problems.

Sony HD TV set. FOUR inputs - TIVO, DVR, BOSE DVD/Sound system; SA8300HDC box. The HDC box inputs thru HDMI. Everything else inputs thru the usual input jacks.

When I turn on the TV, the first 3 above input sources default to wide screen as they are supposed to per the TV settings for their input.

The cable box defaults to "normal" which means a smaller picture until I push the aspect button on the cable remote, usually 4 times, to get the wide screen on the TV.

The cable box is set for 16 x 9 (matches the TV); and a wide screen output.

How do I always get a wide screen from the cable box when I turn on the TV, regardless of whether I'm dealing with an SD or HD channel?

Thank you.

Mine remembers the setting - I do it through Seetings/Display/Picture Size; maybe it thinks that setting through aspect ratio button is temporary.

Also, it may be a good idea to first turn the TV on (and give it a few seconds to be ready), tune it to the HDMI input, then turn SA8300HDC on; maybe currently SA8300HDC gets no reply through HDMI and defaults to thinking TV is 4:3, then later it realizes it is not and changes that back to 16:9, but by then Picture Size has defaulted back to Normal, and SA8300HDC forgets to change that back.

Or maybe it is just that your box is buggy.
post #3048 of 18142
Jack,
I am in Milwaukee. I have an SA8300HDC model which has Mystro Navigator. I am not concerned about the number of recordings because i have not recorded more than one episode of anything -- just had it a week. However, I have turned on the DVR and TV set, Samsung 40, and have found several of the shows were deleted. Does it possibly erase a program just because you requested to record another in the future? For example, if I have 6 2-hour movies recorded and I set up selections to record 6 more movies, does the DVR delete the currently recorded ones today even though the movies won't be on until next week?

Otherwise, the HDC problems everyone seems to complain about are fairly common. Now, when my technician was here on Thursday, he said the readings at my outside box were too high on the low end reading side and that a field technician would be out to adjust that. I don't know if that contributes to any of the problems. We'll see after theyadjust the low end.

Jack, I am new at reading and adding to the topic, so i don't know exactly how to find your response to my questions. Also, you included a url in your reply to my question. What am I to do with that?
break7bg
post #3049 of 18142
Raleigh, NC, TWC 8300 HD

Just thought I'd add my experiences with the HDC and TWC here, as it might help some folks or at least add another piece of the puzzle.

Just got a new TV a few weeks ago, had them install a new 8300HDC (first with component, then HDMI cable, though I swapped back and forth at times to see if I was having HDMI issues - was not). The first box was complete garbage, audio dropouts, skipping video, bad pixelation at times, and reboots. Didn't have any failed recordings other than those unwatchable due to above mentioned problems.

Swapped it out for another 8300HDC. This box was much better except HD 2 channels didn't come. I went out of town, but my was here for the visit from the tech. He did, per my written request, swap the 8300HDC for the 8300HD, but never checked those 2 channels, which were still not coming in at all. The next day another tech came out (after an annoyed called by me to the support line). He figured out that the 2 missing channels were a result of the coax cable running through a (good quality) surge protector. I am not 100% convinced, but removing the surge protector from the line did solve the issue with those 2 channels so I guess I'll risk lighting frying my TV via coax.

Anyway, not to rub it in, but I am SO much happier with the Passport running 8300HD.

Now, the folks at TWC here in Raleigh keep telling me that "a major upgrade" is due on 1/22. I haven't been able to get a straight answer on whether that means an upgrade to the Navigator software or if everyone is moving to Navigator from Passport. I obviously hope for the former, but time will tell.

Does anyone know of a big Navigator upgrade this month, at least in Raleigh, NC?

-Andrew
post #3050 of 18142
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Originally Posted by break7bg View Post

Jack,
I am in Milwaukee. I have an SA8300HDC model which has Mystro Navigator. I am not concerned about the number of recordings because i have not recorded more than one episode of anything -- just had it a week. However, I have turned on the DVR and TV set, Samsung 40, and have found several of the shows were deleted. Does it possibly erase a program just because you requested to record another in the future? For example, if I have 6 2-hour movies recorded and I set up selections to record 6 more movies, does the DVR delete the currently recorded ones today even though the movies won't be on until next week?

Otherwise, the HDC problems everyone seems to complain about are fairly common. Now, when my technician was here on Thursday, he said the readings at my outside box were too high on the low end reading side and that a field technician would be out to adjust that. I don't know if that contributes to any of the problems. We'll see after they adjust the low end.

Jack, I am new at reading and adding to the topic, so i don't know exactly how to find your response to my questions. Also, you included a url in your reply to my question. What am I to do with that?
break7bg

Yes,

If the field tech found low signal readings that can cause problems with the box. Let us know when they adjust the signal. Your DVR should not be erasing individual recordings like that. Did the recordings just start erasing? How long has this been happening? Meanwhile, you may want to unplug your box for 10 minutes to clear out any bad data and plug it back in, and wait 5 minutes for the system to reboot.

The URL I provided is a list to updates that Lincoln Nebraska got for Navigator. This is just if you want to compare/contrast what we have with them.

I sent you a PM about your DVR issues.

Jack
post #3051 of 18142
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Originally Posted by Satch Man View Post

Yes,

If the field tech found low signal readings that can cause problems with the box. Let us know when they adjust the signal. Your DVR should not be erasing individual recordings like that. Did the recordings just start erasing? How long has this been happening? Meanwhile, you may want to unplug your box for 10 minutes to clear out any bad data and plug it back in, and wait 5 minutes for the system to reboot.

The URL I provided is a list to updates that Lincoln Nebraska got for Navigator. This is just if you want to compare/contrast what we have with them.

I sent you a PM about your DVR issues.

Jack

I read the PM. Thanks. The recordings got erased two days after it was swapped out for another HDC. I did not do anything to cause it. I have unplugged and re-booted severl times to clear stuff out. I did this when I could not change channels using the remote. That worked fine.

The technician came out last week and gave me a non-C box, but I thought it did not look as clear as the OCAP HDC. It was probably the tears in my eyes. So, he re-swapped the HDC. So, I currently have the HDC. Maybe, this one will work fine and when the field tech comes out to check the outside low end reading and adjusts it properly, maybe we'll all be happy. I will alert you here, if it continues to erase and freeze at times.

In another posting, someone suggested that the SA8550HDC will be the solution to the PIP. Will it also be the solution for all of these other nagging issues?

Break
post #3052 of 18142
My SA8300HDC troubles are over....yesterday I scheduled TW to come to the house to give me an amplifier....I convinced myself that this would solve some of the previous problems I had with 3 navigator boxes that I replaced last week...yes you read that correctly 3 boxes in one week....

The last Navigator Ocap box was working flawlessly....maybe that's because I asked for a new splitter and cord that I had never replaced on the back of all my DVR boxes...its the electrical cord that plugs directly into the box and plugs into the outlet I had used that same cord with all my boxes it was old ....this seemed to solve my problems...

The tech arrived at 9am and when I told him how much I regretted losing my Passport box he mentioned he had one on the truck that was directly from the warehouse...a rare new Passport box ...it even had the see through coating on the read out....I begged him for it and it was mine...woo hoo....I am in heaven...it powers down at night to silence this is the box in my bedroom two feet from my head the constant whirring of the Navigator at night made me unplug it... Passport boxes actually have a hard drive turn off at night when you turn off the box it's in the settings...heaven...it feels so much more stable....I am thrilled...

Today the boss of the tech department called me....he wanted to know first hand my experience with my 3 Ocap boxes in one week....I told him about this forum...I invited him to read all of the posts he will do that ...he told me they too are worried...TW customers are fleeing...he took my name and he is sending it to the Scientific Atlanta...he wants me to tell them my experience and I will....I will represent all of us here who are slaves to this nonsense....

So in essence my Navigator problems are gone...but they are certainly not forgotten...my week of one box not getting any HD content...another not authorizing right off the bat was frustrating and a potential deal buster for staying with TW....I have to admit the gentleman I spoke with today was not at all denying the problems...they are essentially giving customers beta products...how stupid is that...we are not guinea pigs...if I were I would request a bill reduction...so there you have it....I have a happy ending...
post #3053 of 18142
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Originally Posted by llabine1 View Post

My SA8300HDC troubles are over....yesterday I scheduled TW to come to the house to give me an amplifier....I convinced myself that this would solve some of the previous problems I had with 3 navigator boxes that I replaced last week...yes you read that correctly 3 boxes in one week....

The last Navigator Ocap box was working flawlessly....maybe that's because I asked for a new splitter and cord that I had never replaced on the back of all my DVR boxes...its the electrical cord that plugs directly into the box and plugs into the outlet I had used that same cord with all my boxes it was old ....this seemed to solve my problems...

The tech arrived at 9am and when I told him how much I regretted losing my Passport box he mentioned he had one on the truck that was directly from the warehouse...a rare new Passport box ...it even had the see through coating on the read out....I begged him for it and it was mine...woo hoo....I am in heaven...it powers down at night to silence this is the box in my bedroom two feet from my head the constant whirring of the Navigator at night made me unplug it... Passport boxes actually have a hard drive turn off at night when you turn off the box it's in the settings...heaven...it feels so much more stable....I am thrilled...

Today the boss of the tech department called me....he wanted to know first hand my experience with my 3 Ocap boxes in one week....I told him about this forum...I invited him to read all of the posts he will do that ...he told me they too are worried...TW customers are fleeing...he took my name and he is sending it to the Scientific Atlanta...he wants me to tell them my experience and I will....I will represent all of us here who are slaves to this nonsense....

So in essence my Navigator problems are gone...but they are certainly not forgotten...my week of one box not getting any HD content...another not authorizing right off the bat was frustrating and a potential deal buster for staying with TW....I have to admit the gentleman I spoke with today was not at all denying the problems...they are essentially giving customers beta products...how stupid is that...we are not guinea pigs...if I were I would request a bill reduction...so there you have it....I have a happy ending...

Wonderful news!!! And even though it's not in my division, let's give 1000 thank you's to the wonderful head tech who helped you!!!! Yes, SA needs to be more aware of the problems with these new C-boxes. There should also be some line of communications between TWC, the FCC, and SA at the national level that says, "Hey, we have to sit down here, because you know what, there are too many of these SA cable (C-Card) boxes, and especially C-DVR's, that aren't working right and something needs to be done about this, that will create an awareness at the national level. A company that has had such wonderful success with Road Runner and Digital Phone is losing business as it appears because of these cable card boxes and that is a shame. Maybe a solution is to have division heads from TWC, the FCC, and SA sit down and say, "Maybe we should go back to the non-C boxes." I don't even think the FCC is aware of the flaws in these C boxes and the loss of business represented by these flaws. SA needs to work out a solution, or go back to non-OCAP hardware until a solution for successful launch of OCAP is found. That solution needs to be positively reflected across divisions for subscribers, as well as understandable, and dependable.

Jack
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Wonderful news!!! And even though it's not in my division, let's give 1000 thank you's to the wonderful head tech who helped you!!!! Yes, SA needs to be more aware of the problems with these new C-boxes. There should also be some line of communications between TWC, the FCC, and SA at the national level that says, "Hey, we have to sit down here, because you know what, there are too many of these SA cable (C-Card) boxes, and especially C-DVR's, that aren't working right and something needs to be done about this, that will create an awareness at the national level. A company that has had such wonderful success with Road Runner and Digital Phone is losing business as it appears because of these cable card boxes and that is a shame. Maybe a solution is to have division heads from TWC, the FCC, and SA sit down and say, "Maybe we should go back to the non-C boxes." I don't even think the FCC is aware of the flaws in these C boxes and the loss of business represented by these flaws. SA needs to work out a solution, or go back to non-OCAP hardware until a solution for successful launch of OCAP is found. That solution needs to be positively reflected across divisions for subscribers, as well as understandable, and dependable.

Jack

Unfortunately, the FCC was stating that the cable industry and its suppliers should have been ready, so it will just tell them to lie in the bed they made by not developing OCAP soon enough and having boxes tested completely in time for the deadline it set. Since the FCC banned integrated security set-top boxes from being sold in the U.S., Scientific Atlanta and Motorola can only sell the boxes that use separable security, which is only provided today in CableCARDs. Therefore, Scientific Atlanta and Motorola cannot go back to old hardware in the U.S. In fact, in a previous post, I showed that the 8300HDC fails to attain full OCAP compliance due to a required internal graphics resolution that the 8300HDC's graphics engine does not support. I do not know if there are any other OCAP violations in the 8300HDC, especially more serious violations. It was a hack job on the 8300HD to meet the FCC separable security requirement. Hopefully, the 8550HDC will fix all of these stability problems we have been encountering that are caused by flaky noncompliant hardware. Its specs look like it was designed from the ground up for OCAP compliance from the ground up as one of its goals as far as I can tell.

For those FCC bashers among us who want more ammunition, see this editorial on dslreports.com that shows that the FCC chairman has a conflict of interest that causes him to want to harm big cable as often as possible because it competes with the telephone companies, while giving the telephone companies as many breaks as possible.

My personal opinion is that the fault lies somewhat with previous administrations of the FCC willing to give breaks to anyone, the Bush crony who is the current FCC chairman, the cable companies who thought that they could delay separable security indefinitely but did not expect to run into a telephone industry stooge of an FCC chairman, and the equipment suppliers who also ran into the same stooge. I also wish that the next FCC chairman would make fair rules for all telecom companies and would give no breaks to anyone except when there is an extremely good reason like preventing a bankruptcy because compliance will put some company in enough debt that bankruptcy will occur, allowing a bankrupt company to be bought out, or to respond to some emergency that disrupts telecommunications.
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Hi guys,

Hope this is the right thread for this question.....

I wonder if someone out there can help me out. Last week TWC in San Diego forced a firmware upgrade (Navigator, I think) that my 8300HDC (with external 750MB HD) did not react well to. It has required cold reboots evry few hours since then. Well, yesterday the tech came out and swapped my 8300HDC for one of the older 8300HD models. After everything got hooked back up, I noticed that the 8300HD did not appear to recognize the existence of my external HD (diagnostics only showed about 150MB of space). No request to format the drive after reboots either. The diagnostics seemed to suggest that the SATA port was active. Any suggestions??

Thanks.
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Hi guys,

Hope this is the right thread for this question.....

I wonder if someone out there can help me out. Last week TWC in San Diego forced a firmware upgrade (Navigator, I think) that my 8300HDC (with external 750MB HD) did not react well to. It has required cold reboots evry few hours since then. Well, yesterday the tech came out and swapped my 8300HDC for one of the older 8300HD models. After everything got hooked back up, I noticed that the 8300HD did not appear to recognize the existence of my external HD (diagnostics only showed about 150MB of space). No request to format the drive after reboots either. The diagnostics seemed to suggest that the SATA port was active. Any suggestions??

Thanks.

The problem is that your external drive is formatted to work with your previous 8300 so you need to reformat it with the new DVR (sorry all old recordings on it are gone). I don't have the specific directions for this, but suggest you take this question to the external drive forum.
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The problem is that your external drive is formatted to work with your previous 8300 so you need to reformat it with the new DVR (sorry all old recordings on it are gone). I don't have the specific directions for this, but suggest you take this question to the external drive forum.

OK...thanks. WIll do.
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Passport boxes actually have a hard drive turn off at night when you turn off the box it's in the settings...heaven...it feels so much more stable....I am thrilled...

Enjoy your thrills, but you should edit to say "Passport boxes where I live." The Passport TWC boxes us NYC folks have do NOT have any such provision. To get both tuners to stop spinning the HD, each one has to be set to a VOD channel (that does NOT buffer).
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Originally Posted by Riverside_Guy View Post

Enjoy your thrills, but you should edit to say "Passport boxes where I live." The Passport TWC boxes us NYC folks have do NOT have any such provision. To get both tuners to stop spinning the HD, each one has to be set to a VOD channel (that does NOT buffer).

Wow Riverside sorry if I seemed to be gloating about this I had no idea that this was not something we all had...the setting I am speaking of is in Settings...more settings...power manager...hard drive power...mine is set to ..on with power...this turns off the hard drive when you turn off the box when not recording.... this was not originally on my passport boxes...about 3 months ago I saw an upgrade happening and then this setting appeared...quite frankly I have always thought that you guys in the East would get things before us in the West...

I had such a hard time with the Navigator boxes not allowing this that when I regained my Passport I could not help but be happy about it...
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..quite frankly I have always thought that you guys in the East would get things before us in the West....

Just the sun...
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