Time Warner Cable Navigator - Page 138

The PS3 is your only 1080p capable source.

I live in Louisville, Oh (near Canton) and I turned on the TV this am... and BOOM... NAVIGATOR!!! What a way to start Monday morning. This is on my SA8300 non-HD box. I didn't check my SA8300HD to see if it switched over. Hopefully it didn't because I don't think I could live with 2 pieces of bad news on this Monday!!

I am tempted to put a list together of the Pros (if any) and Cons of navigator when I'm bored just for fun. I wasn't impressed at all with my 1st encounter with navigator on a SA8300HDC. Maybe they fixed some of the issues... but I'm betting they haven't.
mgd

There aren't that many sources of 1080p output--1080p displays have only been around for a few years. PS3s, Xbox 360s, higher-end Blu-ray and HD DVD players, Apple TV and the VUDU player are a few of the more visible products that can do it.

Since there is no 1080p broadcast television, there's not a whole lot of reason for cable STBs to be capable of outputting the resolution. Of course, there's nothing stopping cable from offering pay or subscription content encoded at 1080p24, so it wouldn't hurt.

Seems it's still a mixed bag with no real rhyme or reason. I first got my SA8300HDC back in December. I used to check the diagnostics quite regularly, and I never had any problems with involuntary reboots. Mind you, I had pulled the plug myself a few times, and since had the box replaced when it actually wouldn't boot, but rarely did it ever reboot on it's own.

I actually had to pull the plug last night. I decided to look through the firmware diagnostics, and several pages actually let you step through "sub-pages" which I hadn't noticed before. Well at some point in stepping through one of these, I noticed the audio stopped (you don't see video in these diagnostics - it's not transparent). When I exited out, the video was frozen. Changing the channels just showed a black screen. After making several other attempts to coax (hmmm, not co-ax ) the video to come back on, I had to finally reboot. Never had a freeze like that before.

Were you on Passport or SARA before Navigator?This information helps us all. SARA 1.89.17.1 here

Cary, is on passport as of 8:00 AM this morning. I expect that to change tonight. I go the same email and I am checking my voice mail now.

Just checked my messages and nothing yet. I guess Cary(or at least my house) will be passport for another day.

8:02pm Pacific Time, Time Warner San Diego - SA-8300HDC rebooted while I was just starting to watch Antique Roadshow on KPBS 711.

Anyone else experience this wonderful auto 'feature' on Crapigator from Crime Warner?

Not a week goes by that I don't have to reboot myself due to loss of sync, video, audio, or have an auto reboot.

TWC should be ASHAMED of releasing this piece of #$%*.

Erik

It looks like all versions of boxes, DVR's, C boxes and non-DVR's reboot. I have had my box for years, non-DVR, maybe 3 reboots. I have had at least 10 in less than a week. Also, airmaxone, you are correct about the search function not working worth a crap. I did the search by name the other day for Scrubs, spelled it out and then search. It said something like there is no programs with this name available. I started tuning up and there was an instance starting in 10 minutes and two starting in 40. How bad is that? Any first day program writer should be able to write something that lets you find that type of thing. Very pitiful!

I was on Passport. Not sure what version or whatever. I am also not sure what Version I have of Navigator on my non high def box or how to check for that.

My High Def box (SA-8300HD) was not converted over to Navigator yet.

Got an automated call from TWC today stating that my Passport software will be updated to Navigator overnight tonight. I have an external HD plugged into it. It better still work tomorrow . Maybe I'll unplug my box every night from now on to avoid the update

Unless I missed it, I don't think we've heard whether legacy boxes (non-C) have had problems with external drives and Navigator. Please let us know after you've gone through the "change".

Might as well leave it plugged in. They're eventually going to getcha.

The reason why that won't work is because when you plug the box back in, it will need to connect to the server, and if the server senses that a node (area where you live) has Navigator instead of Passport, it will download Navigator the next time it updates. All of TWC SE Wisconsin where I live is supposed to have Navigator by the end of the month.

I can relate to the info above, because at one of the local forums, this user had a tech out, he plugged a box in with Passport, and when it was authorized it downloaded Navigator. Good luck!

Jack

KzY, is you box an 8300HD or 8300HDC. Please let us know how it performs after it is "upgraded".

I was just kidding about unplugging the box. I know it won't do any good. I am a network tech and I hate when stuff like this is out of my control!


It's an 8300HD. Had it for about 3 years now. I'll post and let folks know what happens after the update, if it happens at all.

Then you'll get Mystro Navigator (I have version 2.4.1-92 - let us know what you get). By the way, once you've had a chance to get it running you'll find it will be somewhat (somewhat being a bit subjective) more stable than those who get the OCAP Navigator version on the 8300HDC box.

You will, most likely, have to suffer thru a few unexpected reboots (maintenance updates?) but things should be pretty steady after a while.

I got nothing here.

But I'll be unplugging the cable from my DVR just in case. There's nothing I need to record that I can't watch on clear QAM to the TV and I'll hold out until I'm forced to record something on the DVR. Keeping my Passport recordings safe so that I can watch them at my leisure using tried and true Passport control.

I haven't tried running it "unplugged" lately, but in the past, Passport wouldn't work at all unless it was plugged into the cable system (my guess is that it checked to make sure that I was authorized to use the box, period). If that's the case, they'll eventually set things up such that the box won't boot before it can download the "upgrade". I haven't heard of anyone who lost a recording in the transition, so at last that's safe.

I remembered that the box might not function without an active link as well so I tested it a few weeks ago when this started getting closer. It worked fine then and played recordings as normal.

I'll have to make sure I disconnect it early so they don't lock it out.

I just watched the one thing I really didn't want to loose just in case, so now I feel a little better. I go to sleep late so maybe I'll try the "a watched toaster never pops up" method and keep watching so nothing will happen

I'm still trying to figure out all the madness going on with these boxes... but I just wanted to report that I am in Central Florida with Brighthouse Networks, have a SA 8300 HDC running what I believe to be Mystro Navigator and at around 2 AM it shut down and ran a very long upgrade to the CableCard.

Can't notice any differences though... but I figured I'd share for whatever it's worth.

Just got Navigator on my 8300HD DVR (No C)

A couple of observations:

The scrolling speed is indeed a bit slower, but it doesn't seem to be as bad as I was led to believe.

All recordings at least in my Record List carried over.

Favorites were listed accordingly.

Amazingly, I seem to like the idea of having the local news, weather, and sports consolidated in one place.

The downside is that my Closed Captioning still does not work, but considering the armaggedon that I was expecting for months and months, this is hardly a big deal.

I had to change my Banner Duration from Long to Medium.

Here are the things that I don't like:

1.) The graphics look crappy. I only have an SD set, but they just aren't as pleasing to the eyes as Passport was.

2.) TW needs to add a "View This Channel Now" prompt when browsing in the guide!!! This is asinine not to have!

3.) I never really used Series Recording, so I can't say how well or not well that is going to work.

4.) The loss of the C button to instantly tell when Title searches are scheduled over the next few days.

If Passport was an A, I'd give Navigator a C. It's way too early to do specific details. If we get a better title search and view this channel now as an option, that would be a big help.

Right now I would say, not great, but not horrible either. I am even shocked that I am saying this. We'll see what happens when I start recording things.

Oh yea, it did reboot when I made a settings change, but it only took about 4 minutes, not the 10 that I have been hearing about, which surprised me.

Jack

Well, I've been Navigated. I unfortunately don't have time to really check it out before I go to work, but the main thing I was worried about was the external HD. That appears to work. The first thing I saw when I turned it on was "The external drive is now connected to your DVR", so hopefully all is well there. I"ll have more details later, especially about the hard drive.

KzY you may want to look at this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=516559

It seems Navigator works with the external HD but when it goes to "sleep" after 4 hours it locks up and you have to reboot to get it to work again.

I was “Navigatored” last night in the Cary/Raleigh NC Area. Everything seems to be working as designed. I lost a few features but all of my recordings are intact. I also think the PQ may be a little better.

Anyway, I no longer call it “Crapigator” I actually am not that displeased with it now that I have played with it. I did notice that my 8300HD box is faster than my 8300HDC box and my 8300HD box does not appear to have the resolution switching problems that the 8300 HDC box has.

Are you sure that will stop the update? I wouldn't put it past them! I bet they will be at your door step the next day asking you to plug in your cable box!

So far no sleep problems with the box. It looks like it was updated around 3am or so and was fine this morning. When I get home from work I will check it. By then it will have been off for a good 10 hours.

Good...it isn't just me who thinks the picture is a little bit sharper with the new software. My sound volume also seems to have gone up, which is nice.

I got the update to Navigator last night too. Don't seem too bad. Didn't loose any recorded shows or scheduled recordings (drive was only 1/3rd full). Just had to reset the Power On/Off settings like I had before. Although, now I can't jump forward or backwards in 15 minute increments anymore. Can't get in the System Diagnostic screen using 999 anymore like on Passport so no idea what Navigator version I have on my SA8300HD DVR (non-C).

Updated From:
ResApp Version: PASSPORT Echo 2.6.002
OS Version: PowerTV 6.14.74.1sp
Driver Version: 1
ResApp Date: Dec 21 2006
OS Date: May 17 2006
PowerKey: PKEY_3.9.3.2-p +dvrs3
PowerKey Date: May 8 2006

Not sure about the Audio Range setting of Narrow (default), Wide and Normal. My gut says Normal is correct for non-leveled audio but Narrow has the same volume level as with Passport. I think Narrow is suppose to equal the volume across channels reducing louder or softer channel volumes when changing channels. Can anybody shed some light on this setting.

I like how Narrow is the default setting because it balances out sound between commercials and programs. This means that advertisers won't blast us out of the room on commercials that are 3x louder than the program. I think this is a good feature.

Some with external sound systems reported better success with changing this setting from Narrow to Normal. But if you don't have an external sound system, and want the volume to stay centralized on all types of programing on a channel, I would leave it on Narrow.

Jack

Well, my worst fears have finally come true and I got "Navigatored" last night on one of my two SA8300's. Like most people have said, it seems to be a big step down from Passport. I have an expansion drive on the other not-yet-Navigatored box and I'm really scared about all the reports of the drive getting "lost" and needing a reboot.

My first question is: how do we see how much disk space we've used and how much is remaining? Everyone with Passport, on AVS at least, knew about holding the "select" and "exit" buttons down for 5 seconds, then hitting "exit" again to get into the diagnostic area where you could scroll down and find the screen that gave you the information about your hard drive space down to the gigabyte. Does Navigator have a similar way to find this critical information out?