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post #601 of 18042
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

I do not believe the GM; that person is a liar following the company's damage control line, or they are totally incompetent.

There's no integrity left anymore. No one is accountable.

I was told that Navigator was an idea from old coots from their corporate ivory towers. The local divisions have no say in the matter and are being forced to switch - Time Warner Cable has paid heavily for developing and shelving, then redesigning the Navigator fifty times to bring it to what it is today. They've spent much more in development (and the word is - may spend probably about $100 million before they get to Navigator for Motorola systems). So the divisions have to be forced into swapping. Never doesn't matter if they lose revenue or customers.

I wonder how all this will go along with their IPO?
post #602 of 18042
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Originally Posted by kcmotwcuser View Post

Since I have both Passport and Navigator in my house, I hooked them up side by side this weekend. I did a few comparisons between the 2. Here are the highlights. This is 8300HD DVR with Passport and SA2100 with Navigator.


Passport v. Navigator (v. SARA)

The differences you cite are the differences I would expect between a SOFTWARE company doing software, and a hardware company and a cable company trying to do software. I calls 'em as I sees 'em.
post #603 of 18042
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Originally Posted by kcmotwcuser View Post

Wonder if they thought of doing that in the design labs, so they know how/what works.

Huh? TWC has a "design lab?"

Based on your excellent comparison, one can only conclude they have no clue what design is all about. Not to mention the efficiency of the software, a really lost art these days.

The ONLY slightly good news is they seem to be holding it back from the DVR...
post #604 of 18042
Any speculation on what one should make of the first sentence in the following article in tomorrow's Lincoln Journal Star?

http://www.journalstar.com/articles/...7768946968.txt
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A Time Warner Cable official said Wednesday the company may return to Passport, the digital cable programming guide it replaced last fall with company-created Navigator.

On all levels, we're looking at every option as what to do now, said Ann Shrewsbury, public affairs director of Time Warner's Nebraska division. Everything is on the table for remedies and solutions.

Shrewsbury's comment came after the city's Cable TV Advisory Board voted 7-0 to create subcommittees to discuss hardware and software issues concerning Navigator and Time Warner's customer service as part of the cable company's performance evaluation.
The evaluation is in response to a recent City Council resolution. The city's franchise agreement with Time Warner allows the advisory board to conduct an annual evaluation.

City Council member Jonathan Cook introduced the resolution in early March after hearing of customer complaints about Time Warner's new Navigator programming guide and software problems relating to it.

The board held a public hearing March 27 and has since solicited public comments via e-mail, mail, faxes and telephone calls. So far, the city has received about 400 responses.

From those responses, the board formed and forwarded about 100 questions to Time Warner. Beth Scarborough, Time Warner Nebraska division president, said she would have answers for the board by April 13.

Advisory board vice chairman Stuart Long summarized some of the subscriber questions in a memo to the board. The questions ranged from specifics about Navigator to why there is no cable competition in Lincoln.

These aren't my questions, he said. These are questions from the customers. These are questions our final report (to the City Council) ought to answer.

Time Warner, the nation's second-largest cable company, has been under fire locally since it dropped the contracted Passport channel guide last fall in favor of Navigator for its digital subscribers.

The cable company changed the guide to make it compatible with other software programs coming down the line.

The change affects 46,000 digital cable subscribers in Southeast Nebraska, including 33,200 in Lincoln.

Time Warner has 110,000 cable television subscribers in Southeast Nebraska, with 75,000 of them in Lincoln.

Subscribers complained that the new guide is inferior to the old one and that they had difficulties with their digital or DVR boxes after the guides were loaded.

I just want it to work right, subscriber Lisa Blakey told the board Wednesday night. I would give anything to go back to what we had before.

The board also discussed looking into an impartial survey of subscribers to gauge satisfaction levels, but took no formal action.

I want to know if every (subscriber) is equally unhappy, board member Laurie Thomas Lee said.

Shrewsbury said after the meeting that Time Warner also plans to survey its customers.

We're taking this all very seriously locally and on the national level, she said. We are listening to our customers and are open to what is best with the least amount of consequences.

The advisory board will meet again at 4 p.m. April 26 at the City County Building to discuss recommendations of the subcommittees, which will meet in the interim.

Could be the result of an overzealous reporter and an eager-to-please Public Affairs director; however Ms. Shrewsbury is usually pretty careful about speaking on substantive issues without company authorization.

I assume that if that's just a misquote, the article will quickly disappear, followed soon after by my post to this AVS forum. If it's real, the next 24 hours might be interesting.
post #605 of 18042
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Originally Posted by Bulldog1975 View Post

Could be the result of an overzealous reporter and an eager-to-please Public Affairs director; however Ms. Shrewsbury is usually pretty careful about speaking on substantive issues without company authorization.

I assume that if that's just a misquote, the article will quickly disappear, followed soon after by my post to this AVS forum. If it's real, the next 24 hours might be interesting.

Could also be a diversionary tactic - their equivalent of "Hey, look over there!" when caught screwing the pooch.
post #606 of 18042
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Originally Posted by Bulldog1975 View Post

Any speculation on what one should make of the first sentence in the following article in tomorrow's Lincoln Journal Star?

http://www.journalstar.com/articles/...7768946968.txt


Could be the result of an overzealous reporter and an eager-to-please Public Affairs director; however Ms. Shrewsbury is usually pretty careful about speaking on substantive issues without company authorization.

I assume that if that's just a misquote, the article will quickly disappear, followed soon after by my post to this AVS forum. If it's real, the next 24 hours might be interesting.

It's misleading,

With regards to "the company official" saying that TWC might return to Passport, was this Ms. Shrewsbury, or someone else? I think it's a load of hot air and that they are just telling customers what they want to hear!

At least I still have Passport on my Pioneer box in Milwaukee WI! I'll keep you guys posted on any changes as best I can.

Jack
post #607 of 18042
It COULD mean they will go back to Passport UNTIL Navigator is "better" than their pre-alpha release. I would NOT count on being able to use Passport for very long, SDV and OCAP are totally the future (although for us, SDV allowing more HD channels to be delivered are BIG pluses, OCAP essentially means they will have new services to SELL to us).
post #608 of 18042
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Originally Posted by Riverside_Guy View Post

It COULD mean they will go back to Passport UNTIL Navigator is "better" than their pre-alpha release. I would NOT count on being able to use Passport for very long, SDV and OCAP are totally the future (although for us, SDV allowing more HD channels to be delivered are BIG pluses, OCAP essentially means they will have new services to SELL to us).

What's the distinction again? HD channels are new services to SELL to us. Like anything that costs a lot of money for a major corporation to do, it's all about profit.
post #609 of 18042
I raised these issues in the Consumer Input Thread about Navigator,

But since this is the official TWC Navigator thread, I will restate some of my thoughts here:

It appears that MOST of the problems with regards to TWC Navigator are originating from TWC's Lincoln Nebraska head-end. However, it is very likely that these issues with Navigator are occurring in other cities where this product has been implemented. The questions that I believe the TWC-Lincoln Nebraska review board should consider are the following:

1.) Are these issues related exclusively to Navigator in Lincoln Nebraska? What is the extent to which other cities and states are having problems with the new system?

2.) How often are the hardware/software elements of TWC's network updated and maintained? Could the Navigator's slow response time and unpredictable rebooting processes be related to compatibility issues on the head-end network as opposed to the software itself? How is updated information transmitted or routed from the signal's head-end to the boxes, regardless of whether they use Passport or Navigator? How often are the routers transmitting the information updated at the head end?

3. What types of problems or compatibility conflicts are occurring with regards to Navigator installed on DVR boxes verses non-DVR boxes?

4. What are the plans for updating the boxes? Is it done by make/model? Location where the customer lives? What can the customer expect during the download/update process? Is there anything that the customer should or should not do to their boxes during the update process? How long does the update take?


Jack
post #610 of 18042
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

What's the distinction again? HD channels are new services to SELL to us. Like anything that costs a lot of money for a major corporation to do, it's all about profit.

HD channels CAN be ones they sell to us, but I'll assume you're talking about SDV. How about all those years when we PAID for HD channels that came with ALL premium packages... but didn't get? Yes in NYC they "added" Starz and Cinemax HD last fall, but customers HAVE been paying for them if they subscribed to those services for years.

Do you really think TWC's carriage deals go down to the neighborhood level? Like their "deal" with MHD, FS NY, and A&E HD says they are "allowed" to carry them to only 5% of the cities population? We pay the same rates as that 5% for again we are already paying for what they won't deliver.

Indeed it's all about profit, no issue that profits are maximized when you make folks pay for stuff and then don't give them the stuff they are paying for!

Please understand it's the inequity that gets my gander up!
post #611 of 18042
You can only consider yourself to be "paying" for the sub-services from digital tiers that your provider doesn't carry if the price of those tiers went up when they added the HD channel that you're not getting. I saw those channels being added to Cinemax and Starz! and the prices of premium tiers didn't go up in the systems that I was on.

You're paying for what you bargained for--those channels weren't there when you subscribed to Cinemax and Starz!; if they add them, its nice but your cable provider isn't required to spend his bandwidth that way. If you keep those tiers while being pissed off about not getting the HD ones, that's on you. And there's no guarantee that they'll be in any rush to add them when they set up SDV, since they won't make them any more money.

As for me, there's more HDTV on that I'm interested in than I have time to watch, so if I have one or more of those tiers, its only so that I can get the HD channel and it's the only one that I ever watch. Often, it's just so that I can catch one or more series--I just dumped HBO because Rome ended and picked up Showtime for The Tudors.
post #612 of 18042
Have to disagree Mike, the reason prices did NOT go up when we finally got those HD channels very much does mean we HAD been paying for it! When I signed up for HBO and Starz, 100% it was marketed (from HBO and Starz) as having an HD channel AND a On Demand service. TWC did not say "oh, we have decided NOT to supply some of the channels you are paying for so we'll discount your service charges until we DO carry those additional channels."

Even so, what really upsets me far more is what I call inequity. As in treating some of your customers one way while treating others very differently. By their own actions, it's way clear where they actually face some competition, they bend over backwards for those customers. In areas where they have far more lock-in, those customers get the high hard one. 2 examples, we lose a pay extra channel, they swear they will replace it and rates go up AND they do NOT replace it. Upstate from me, they move ESPN HD to a regular tier, add ESPN2 HD and "compensate" everyone with a full year of FREE SHO. Second, they add 3 new HD channels, but only to 5% of my cities population, when they COULD have added it for all of us. BUT, that 5% live in an area where I think 100% can get Direct or Dish. Where I am, I can't get either. This REALLY is the stuff I am furious about!

Anyway, this is way, way off topic so I'll shut up about it now!
post #613 of 18042
By Kirk Ladendorf
AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF
Sunday, April 08, 2007

. . .

Time Warner Cable, the dominant cable company in Texas, has been getting ready for this battle for years. It continues to strengthen its network and expand its digital offerings and is adding capacity for new high-definition channels.

It's developing an interactive video guide service, called Maestro Digital Navigator, that will offer many of the features that AT&T's and Verizon's guides have, including advanced search functions.

. . .

http://www.statesman.com/business/co.../08/8iptv.html
post #614 of 18042
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Originally Posted by RussB View Post

By Kirk Ladendorf
AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF
Sunday, April 08, 2007

. . .

It's developing an interactive video guide service, called Maestro Digital Navigator, that will offer many of the features that AT&T's and Verizon's guides have, including advanced search functions.

. . .

If this AVS thread is any indication, TWC may have showed up at a gun fight with a knife, and a dull one at that.
post #615 of 18042
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Originally Posted by pkscout View Post

If this AVS thread is any indication, TWC may have showed up at a gun fight with a knife, and a dull one at that.

Wow, that is a great thread! Thanks for pointing it out! :P

xnappo
post #616 of 18042
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Originally Posted by xnappo View Post

Wow, that is a great thread! Thanks for pointing it out! :P

Well crap. I thought I made that comment in another thread. Now I have to go check and see if I'm losing my mind of just unable to post properly.

edit: nope, just losing my mind.
post #617 of 18042
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Originally Posted by pkscout View Post

Well crap. I thought I made that comment in another thread. Now I have to go check and see if I'm losing my mind of just unable to post properly.

edit: nope, just losing my mind.

I hate when that happens !

It reminds me of a great quote i saw somewhere - "Of all the things i've lost, i miss my mind the most."
post #618 of 18042
Got an automated call from TWC today saying that they're going to be pushing another Navigator update this week.

Features being added:
Show and Series Prioritization
Conflict Resolution
Hard Drive Gas Gauge
New or Repeat episode indicator
Fast Forward Jump Back

More info at:
http://www.timewarnercable.com/Nebra...ancements.html
post #619 of 18042
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Originally Posted by MattInLincoln View Post

Got an automated call from TWC today saying that they're going to be pushing another Navigator update this week.

Features being added:
Show and Series Prioritization
Conflict Resolution
Hard Drive Gas Gauge
New or Repeat episode indicator
Fast Forward Jump Back

More info at:
http://www.timewarnercable.com/Nebra...ancements.html

You mean these weren't standard to start with? Nice to see they've caught up with the year 2000 finally.
post #620 of 18042
I've seen the Navigator guides and features and the question that needs to be asked is: How is this different (and/or better) than what we have now with Passport? Unless there's been a recent upgrade, we're (TWC San Diego, this applies to several others as well) on the latest version now (2.6.002).

If it's OCAP compliant, that's one thing, but everything else we pretty much have with Passport (disk usage gauge would be nice!).
post #621 of 18042
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Originally Posted by humdinger70 View Post

I've seen the Navigator guides and features and the question that needs to be asked is: How is this different (and/or better) than what we have now with Passport? Unless there's been a recent upgrade, we're (TWC San Diego, this applies to several others as well) on the latest version now (2.6.002).

If it's OCAP compliant, that's one thing, but everything else we pretty much have with Passport (disk usage gauge would be nice!).

SDV, and hence more HD channels!
post #622 of 18042
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Originally Posted by pkscout View Post

You mean these weren't standard to start with? Nice to see they've caught up with the year 2000 finally.

I couldn't have said it better myself. Months after the launch we're getting this stuff, when you'd think it would have been in software when it was launched here.

On the Time Warner Info channel this morning it said that this was the first of two upgrades that will occur within the next several weeks. No details about what functionality the next update would bring.
post #623 of 18042
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Originally Posted by MattInLincoln View Post

I couldn't have said it better myself. Months after the launch we're getting this stuff, when you'd think it would have been in software when it was launched here.

We need a Ralph Nader.
post #624 of 18042
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Originally Posted by MattInLincoln View Post

Got an automated call from TWC today saying that they're going to be pushing another Navigator update this week.

Features being added:
Show and Series Prioritization
Conflict Resolution
Hard Drive Gas Gauge
New or Repeat episode indicator
Fast Forward Jump Back

More info at:
http://www.timewarnercable.com/Nebra...ancements.html

I got an update today already. The version number is 2.3.32AC-ptv Apr 9 2007.

I haven't messed with it yet to see what is new. I will let you know what I find.

Update: It looks like all of the features mentioned above are there now. I don't really use series recordings (prefer to do it manually). There was an indication of whether a show was new or a repeat before if you hit info while in the guide. Now you don't have to as it is already in the description in bold letters. The fast forward jump back doesn't seem to be very good but I will mess with it more and maybe get used to it. It will at least be better than having to ff at 2x and use the skip back button to resume play. There was already conflict resolution before this so maybe they improved it.
post #625 of 18042
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Originally Posted by humdinger70 View Post

If it's OCAP compliant, that's one thing, but everything else we pretty much have with Passport (disk usage gauge would be nice!).

You can have the "disk usage" or fuel gauge (a SARA feature I understand). But as a Passporter, please leave me the option of getting into the diagnostic area and seeing exactly how much disk space I've used and how much I have left. I can do my own calculations from that point on (and they'll be more accurate).
post #626 of 18042
With SARA 1.89 you have a gauge or can go to the dio screen and figure it out yourself if you want to.Seems Navigator is going to be a blend of the best of SARA and the best of PASSPORT.
post #627 of 18042
Wonder if NAVIGATOR is going to be tested on some poor sara division before it is released nationwide?
post #628 of 18042
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Originally Posted by Crazywoody View Post

With SARA 1.89 you have a gauge or can go to the dio screen and figure it out yourself if you want to.Seems Navigator is going to be a blend of the best of SARA and the best of PASSPORT.

Or the worst and the worst.
post #629 of 18042
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Or the worst and the worst.

One never knows with TWC.Maybe we will ge lucky and get the best.
post #630 of 18042
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Originally Posted by Crazywoody View Post

One never knows with TWC.Maybe we will ge lucky and get the best.

Woody, you may or may not be crazy, but you sure seem to be "crazy optimistic". This is TWC we're talking about. Expect the worst, then at least you won't be too terribly disappointed. So far, Navigator has been a disaster for their customers wherever it's been introduced.
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