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post #2431 of 6021
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Originally Posted by rick240 View Post

...methinks he just left out the word "wire".

Go check out monoprice and bluejeans; depending on length 12 or 14 gauge will be just fine.

Laugh. Oops. Short attention span.
post #2432 of 6021
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Originally Posted by sivadselim View Post

Laugh. Oops. Short attention span.

I read it the same way you did. My first impression was that he was "milking" people in the KEF thread for advice - mea culpa.


cay5021:
Congrats on the XQ purchase man but next time don't leave out the important bits - we're not too fast on the uptake It's like, "I accidentally my KEFs." We read "words words words KEF words words."
post #2433 of 6021
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Originally Posted by JohnNY-C View Post

.............but next time don't leave out the important bits - we're not too fast on the uptake It's like, "I accidentally my KEFs." We read "words words words KEF words words."

You threw up on your KEFs?
post #2434 of 6021
So over the weekend I made the 2+ hour trip to my closest Kef dealer, and spent some good time auditioning the IQ9's. (they don't have the 90's as of yet). I have to say they lived up to the hype, and then some. I truly was amazed at not only the crispness and clarity they produce, but the fullness as well. They don't sound thin or "tinny" at all. The off-axis performance is second to none. It does lack somewhat in the bass dept compared to a speaker that has 8" drivers in it, but it's not supposed to be a subwoofer, and in my opinion had more than sufficient bass.

I had them turn the Kef Kube on and off so that I could hear what it sounded like with and without a sub, and when you add the sub its pristine.

The music I used for my audition included:
"Beautiful" Christina Aguilera, (the Kef's made me hear things in this song I'd never heard)

"Wicked Garden" Stone Temple Pilots, (I'm big rock guy and to me this one of the greatest energy rock songs ever and can reveal distortion, there was none.)

"316" Van Halen, (acoustic guitar song that really shows the midrange capabilities)

"Freshman" Verve Pipe, (this song encompassed both the speakers great ability to showcase crystal clear vocals as well as the upper range guitar sounds of this song)

"Oh Danny Boy", North Texas State University 1 o'clock lab band, (Had to have some instrumental stuff to check again for "tinny-ness" and fulness, and once again they did not disappoint.)

So, in the end, I'm not sure there is that much difference between the IQ9's and IQ90's, and since a certain authorized dealer/online retailer has them for $700 less, (since they are being discontinued) plus free shipping, it was a deal I couldn't pass up, and I ordered them today! I couldn't be more excited. They should be arriving sometime next week!
post #2435 of 6021
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Originally Posted by snatch View Post

So, in the end, I'm not sure there is that much difference between the IQ9's and IQ90's, and since a certain authorized dealer/online retailer has them for $700 less, (since they are being discontinued) plus free shipping, it was a deal I couldn't pass up, and I ordered them today! I couldn't be more excited. They should be arriving sometime next week!

Invest that $700 in a Rythmik F12 and what a 2.1 system you would have
post #2436 of 6021
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Originally Posted by snatch View Post

So, in the end, I'm not sure there is that much difference between the IQ9's and IQ90's, and since a certain authorized dealer/online retailer has them for $700 less, (since they are being discontinued) plus free shipping, it was a deal I couldn't pass up, and I ordered them today! I couldn't be more excited. They should be arriving sometime next week!

Welcome to the club! Enjoy!
post #2437 of 6021
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Originally Posted by JohnNY-C View Post

I read it the same way you did. My first impression was that he was "milking" people in the KEF thread for advice - mea culpa.


cay5021:
Congrats on the XQ purchase man but next time don't leave out the important bits - we're not too fast on the uptake It's like, "I accidentally my KEFs." We read "words words words KEF words words."

I apologize for the mistake, just got on summer break from college and yet I still forget to proofread after I write. Also don't worry I wouldn't come through a thread to "milk" info either, gotta respect the "Owners thread" title. I appreciate the advice and I will check out mono-price and blue jeans.

Thanks,
Colin
post #2438 of 6021
I just received my PSW4000 subwoofer which will be my standard Sub matching Ref 3/Ref 2/Model 200C/Q10 speakers and I love it. I will put my Kef TDM45B THX subwoofer up for sale on Audiogon.... PM if you're interested.
post #2439 of 6021
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Originally Posted by exm View Post

I just received my PSW4000 subwoofer which will be my standard Sub matching Ref 3/Ref 2/Model 200C/Q10 speakers and I love it. I will put my Kef TDM45B THX subwoofer up for sale on Audiogon.... PM if you're interested.

Yeah, I thought this would be the outcome, here. That PSW4000 is a fine piece of equipment. What finish is yours?

Enjoy!
post #2440 of 6021
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Originally Posted by snatch View Post

So, in the end, I'm not sure there is that much difference between the IQ9's and IQ90's, and since a certain authorized dealer/online retailer has them for $700 less

Which did you get?
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post #2441 of 6021
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Originally Posted by JohnNY-C View Post

My impression of the iQ90s: bliss.

Not to mention there great price point
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post #2442 of 6021
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Originally Posted by sivadselim View Post

Yeah, I thought this would be the outcome, here. That PSW4000 is a fine piece of equipment. What finish is yours?

Enjoy!

Cherry. I love this sub.
post #2443 of 6021
I'd love any input on how a pair of Energy RC Minis would incorporate into my setup as surrounds.

front - iq5 x 2
center - iq6c
sub - Outlaw LFM-1 EX
post #2444 of 6021
newbie question: what subwoofer crossover frequency is the consensus for the IQ90s as fronts (in a 4.1)? i have a decent SVS 12-inch sub. THX seems to recommend 80 HZ but i'd rather my fronts handle anything they can handle cleanly without cabinet rattle or the like.
post #2445 of 6021
Set the LFE to 120Hz
post #2446 of 6021
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Originally Posted by cjv123 View Post

newbie question: what subwoofer crossover frequency is the consensus for the IQ90s as fronts (in a 4.1)? i have a decent SVS 12-inch sub. THX seems to recommend 80 HZ but i'd rather my fronts handle anything they can handle cleanly without cabinet rattle or the like.

If the surround speakers can't handle as much bass as the IQ90's in front, then you should set the crossover so it takes care of the bass frequencies from the surround channels, even if the 90's can go lower. However, if your system allows different crossovers for front and rear, you have more choice.

If you want clean bass and not just distorted sputtering, you're going to get better results from the SVS sub because it's specifically designed for those lower frequencies. And your amp won't be working too hard because the SVS's amp will do much of the heavy lifting.
post #2447 of 6021
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Originally Posted by pbarach View Post

If you want clean bass and not just distorted sputtering, you're going to get better results from the SVS sub because it's specifically designed for those lower frequencies. And your amp won't be working too hard because the SVS's amp will do much of the heavy lifting.


this begs another newbie question: at what frequency, approximately, does the human ear localize sound? i listen to a lot of 2-ch music and i'd really like the sub to remain as diffuse as possible, if that makes sense.
post #2448 of 6021
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Originally Posted by cjv123 View Post

this begs another newbie question: at what frequency, approximately, does the human ear localize sound? i listen to a lot of 2-ch music and i'd really like the sub to remain as diffuse as possible, if that makes sense.

It's somewhere around 120Hz. I'd set the LFE to 120Hz, if you can still localize it, then bump it down to 100Hz, although I wouldn't go any lower than that.

For crossovers for your speakers, 80Hz is a good starting point.
post #2449 of 6021
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Originally Posted by subiefast View Post

It's somewhere around 120Hz. I'd set the LFE to 120Hz, if you can still localize it, then bump it down to 100Hz, although I wouldn't go any lower than that.

For crossovers for your speakers, 80Hz is a good starting point.

I'd stupidly thought there was only 1 crossover, on the AVR, that determined which frequencies were sent to the sub as opposed to the fronts. You suggest there are two.

I'm sorry to interrupt the thread with newbie questions like this.
post #2450 of 6021
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Originally Posted by cjv123 View Post

I'd stupidly thought there was only 1 crossover, on the AVR, that determined which frequencies were sent to the sub as opposed to the fronts. You suggest there are two.

I'm sorry to interrupt the thread with newbie questions like this.

There is a separate LFE channel that only goes to the sub. You want to set it to 120Hz which is the max so you send the sub all the signal. There are crossovers for the speakers as well, and this is the "cutoff" frequency for your speakers. The LFE is totally separate, and doesn't affect your speakers. The LFE is the only signal your sub will be receiving regardless of the crossover you set for your speakers.
post #2451 of 6021
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Originally Posted by subiefast View Post

Set the LFE to 120Hz

I'm pretty sure he is asking about the crossover setting, not the LFE low-pass setting.
post #2452 of 6021
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Originally Posted by cjv123 View Post

this begs another newbie question: at what frequency, approximately, does the human ear localize sound? i listen to a lot of 2-ch music and i'd really like the sub to remain as diffuse as possible, if that makes sense.

There is really no correct answer. 80Hz is the oft-cited value, but that is in ideal conditions. It is probably lower than that in most of our listening environments. It is affected by many things.

That said, localization can also be diminished by certain things such as placement. For 2-channel listening, even with a 200Hz crossover, placement of the sub between the front speakers (especially centered) can very effectively reduce the localization that might be otherwise noticed were the sub placed in a front corner, to the side, or to the rear of the room.

In the end, the frequency at which sound becomes localizable is not all that is important. What is also important is the ability of our speakers to still effectively provide the illusion that the brunt of a sound or effect IS localizable exactly where the engineer intended in spite of the fact that some of those frequencies are being rerouted to a subwoofer.

So, there is a lot involved here. If you unplug all your speakers, you may be able to tell where your sub is. Add the speakers back, though, and you may not be able to.
post #2453 of 6021
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Originally Posted by subiefast View Post

The LFE is the only signal your sub will be receiving regardless of the crossover you set for your speakers.

The sub will of course also be sent any info below the crossover setting from any speaker channels to which a crossover is applied (i.e. set to SMALL).
post #2454 of 6021
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Originally Posted by sivadselim View Post

The sub will of course also be sent any info below the crossover setting from any speaker channels to which a crossover is applied (i.e. set to SMALL).

(jethro here trying to cipher this) in the example of an 80HZ crossover for the speakers and a 120 HZ LFE, would the sub also receive the 80-120 HZ work if connected via the sub-out phono jack?
post #2455 of 6021
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Originally Posted by cjv123 View Post

I'd stupidly thought there was only 1 crossover, on the AVR, that determined which frequencies were sent to the sub as opposed to the fronts. You suggest there are two.

I think what you first asked about was the crossover setting and only the crossover setting. Whether your receiver has a separate LPF of LFE setting, I do not know. But if it does, the LPF of LFE (low-pass of LFE) setting determines the upper ceiling of the LFE channel's frequencies. The LFE channel can contain info as high as 120Hz. Under normal circumstances, you probably want to set this to 120Hz so that all of the LFE channel is being reproduced by the sub. There are certain instances where this could cause or exacerbate some localization issues. Like when the subwoofer is located to the rear. In these cases, a lower LPF of LFE setting can be used to alleviate the localization.

The LPF of LFE setting is not affected by the speaker channel crossover settings and vice versa. So, you can crossover your speakers at, for example 80Hz, with only sub-80Hz frequencies being sent to the sub from any crossed-over speaker channels, yet still allow the LFE channel to get through to the sub all the way up to 120Hz.

In the not too distant past, when most AVRs only allowed a single global crossover setting to be applied to all the speaker channels, and there was no separate LPF of LFE setting, the LFE channel was actually truncated at that single global crossover setting. So, if you used an 80Hz crossover, the LFE channel was truncated at 80Hz. Nowadays, with that available LPF of LFE setting, the full LFE channel, all the way up to 120Hz, can be sent to the subwoofer even though a separate and lower than 120Hz crossover setting can be used for the speaker channels.
post #2456 of 6021
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Originally Posted by cjv123 View Post

(jethro here trying to cipher this) in the example of an 80HZ crossover for the speakers and a 120 HZ LFE, would the sub also receive the 80-120 HZ work if connected via the sub-out phono jack?

Read the post I just posted above this one. Consider the 2 settings to be separate. The 80Hz crossover setting is what is applied to the speaker channels. The 120Hz low-pass setting is what is applied to the LFE channel and the LFE channel only. So, in this example, the subwoofer would receive:

1.) Any info below 80Hz from any speaker channels to which the 80Hz crossover is applied (i.e. set to SMALL).
2.) Any LFE channel info below 120Hz.
post #2457 of 6021
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Originally Posted by sivadselim View Post

Read the post I just posted above this one. Consider the 2 settings to be separate. The 80Hz crossover setting is what is applied to the speaker channels. The 120Hz low-pass setting is what is applied to the LFE channel and the LFE channel only. So, in this example, the subwoofer would receive:

1.) Any info below 80Hz from any speaker channels to which the 80Hz crossover is applied (i.e. set to SMALL).
2.) Any LFE channel info below 120Hz.

ok, now i understand.

you guys are wonderful, by the way.
post #2458 of 6021
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Originally Posted by snatch View Post

So over the weekend I made the 2+ hour trip to my closest Kef dealer, and spent some good time auditioning the IQ9's. (they don't have the 90's as of yet). I have to say they lived up to the hype, and then some. I truly was amazed at not only the crispness and clarity they produce, but the fullness as well. They don't sound thin or "tinny" at all. The off-axis performance is second to none. It does lack somewhat in the bass dept compared to a speaker that has 8" drivers in it, but it's not supposed to be a subwoofer, and in my opinion had more than sufficient bass.

I had them turn the Kef Kube on and off so that I could hear what it sounded like with and without a sub, and when you add the sub its pristine.

The music I used for my audition included:
"Beautiful" Christina Aguilera, (the Kef's made me hear things in this song I'd never heard)

"Wicked Garden" Stone Temple Pilots, (I'm big rock guy and to me this one of the greatest energy rock songs ever and can reveal distortion, there was none.)

"316" Van Halen, (acoustic guitar song that really shows the midrange capabilities)

"Freshman" Verve Pipe, (this song encompassed both the speakers great ability to showcase crystal clear vocals as well as the upper range guitar sounds of this song)

"Oh Danny Boy", North Texas State University 1 o'clock lab band, (Had to have some instrumental stuff to check again for "tinny-ness" and fulness, and once again they did not disappoint.)

So, in the end, I'm not sure there is that much difference between the IQ9's and IQ90's, and since a certain authorized dealer/online retailer has them for $700 less, (since they are being discontinued) plus free shipping, it was a deal I couldn't pass up, and I ordered them today! I couldn't be more excited. They should be arriving sometime next week!

I'm glad you got to hear the KEFs for yourself because they truly are a joy to listen to. Great choice of music too! I think that the iQ9s and the iQ90s would sound very similar, if not identical. I have the 90s and every review I read for the 9s could easily have been written to describe the 90s.

Question: what amps did you listen to the KEFs with? I still need to pick-up a 2 channel amp for my 90s that will last me for a few rounds of speaker upgrades and I'm really up in the air on which brand/"sound" to go with...


I will start a survey:
What amp are you using with your KEF iQ Series speakers? What are your impressions?


Myself: Emotiva XPA-3. Very happy.
post #2459 of 6021
[quote=JohnNY-C;16507122]I will start a survey:
What amp are you using with your KEF iQ Series speakers? What are your impressions? /QUOTE]

I have a Yamaha RXV-1800 for my iQ3s and iQ1s and they sound great. When I auditioned they were hooked up to a Denon 2808, and I think I liked that a bit better.

I still have to do room EQ, so I imagine they will sound even better
post #2460 of 6021
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Originally Posted by rick240 View Post

Invest that $700 in a Rythmik F12 and what a 2.1 system you would have

You should hear my iQ90s with Bag End Infrasub-12 if you want to hear an amazing 2.1 system for just less than $2k

I got lucky and found the Infra-12 on eBay with no bids for $460 shipped. I've never heard a sub blend more seamlessly with any speakers, ever. It may or may not be as quick as the F12s servo design but it's transparent and precise so I couldn't ask for more.

Personally, I would take the iQ9s + Infra-12 and pick-up a naim NAP 140 and have a remarkable 2.1 system for less than the cost of one KEF Reference 201/2
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