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post #3091 of 6023
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Originally Posted by sivadselim View Post

Nope, no Hypertweeters there. Where did you get those?!?!? Be prepared for a different sound than the current KEFs. HEre's a nice review, btw:

http://www.stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/362/

What finish are yours?

I got the Ref4s (with Ref2s side/Ref200 Center/Q15 Rear/PSW4000 sub) and I love this speaker. I never heard the newer Kef's, but I doubt you'll get a better speaker than the Ref 4s, unless you pay $5k+.
post #3092 of 6023
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Originally Posted by subiefast View Post

I jumped on the iq7 deal. I thought these things were going to dwarf my iq7, but they're not as large as I thought. Ran audyssey, and the receiver set the iq7s to full range while, my iq5s in the same spot were previously set to 80 or 90Hz. So, apparently the iq7's get much deeper. I changed the crossover of the iq7s to 70Hz.

It's good to realize that Audyssey isn't accurate when it comes to crossovers. It identified both my Kef References 4s as well as my Kef Q15s (rear speakers) as 'full range'. In general, I look at the specifications and add +10 Hz a crossover frequency, although I decided to select 'Full Range' for the Ref4s. I suspect they can handle that
post #3093 of 6023
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Originally Posted by exm View Post

It's good to realize that Audyssey isn't accurate when it comes to crossovers. It identified both my Kef References 4s as well as my Kef Q15s (rear speakers) as 'full range'. In general, I look at the specifications and add +10 Hz a crossover frequency, although I decided to select 'Full Range' for the Ref4s. I suspect they can handle that

I have the Audyssey Installer's kit and PC software so I can do everything from setting and testing different crossover points to designing my own curves. I'll play around with the Ref 4s and we'll see how well they can perform in my room with terrible acoustics
post #3094 of 6023
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Originally Posted by exm View Post

It's good to realize that Audyssey isn't accurate when it comes to crossovers. It identified both my Kef References 4s as well as my Kef Q15s (rear speakers) as 'full range'. In general, I look at the specifications and add +10 Hz a crossover frequency, although I decided to select 'Full Range' for the Ref4s. I suspect they can handle that

Well, it's actually not Audyssey, itself, that determines this. The manufacturers themselves dictate which frequency is used as the low-end cutoff for 'full range' and this can vary from manufacturer to manufacturer. Audyssey simply reports the measurements. The manufacturers' hardware/software implementation in their particular products dictates that setting. If, for example, a manufacturer has chosen to use 40Hz as the cut-off and Audyssey measures a -3dB point that is below 40Hz then those speakers will be set to LARGE or 'full range'. Additionally, the room and the speakers' placement within that room can serve to reinforce the lower frequencies which can also, especially when coupled with a relatively high cutoff point, result in the speakers being set to LARGE or 'full range'.
post #3095 of 6023
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Originally Posted by JohnNY-C View Post

I have the Audyssey Installer's kit and PC software so I can do everything from setting and testing different crossover points to designing my own curves. I'll play around with the Ref 4s and we'll see how well they can perform in my room with terrible acoustics

What you probably can't really measure very accurately or with very high resolution with your software and equipment, though, are the subtleties of the performances of the two speakers at the mid to higher frequencies. And that is where and how you would measure what is responsible for the differing characteristic sounds of the two speakers. Additionally, Audyssey's EQ filters are predominately focused on the low frequency performance and that is where it can and will make the most appreciable difference.
post #3096 of 6023
Hello All, My friend has the KEF 3005 speaker system. he wants to buy stands for them ,but the kef stands are $230.00 a pair. will any other generic stand work for them . Thanks in advance
Kevin
post #3097 of 6023
Yeah, a stand with a platform will work.
post #3098 of 6023
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Originally Posted by sivadselim View Post

What you probably can't really measure very accurately or with very high resolution with your software and equipment, though, are the subtleties of the performances of the two speakers at the mid to higher frequencies. And that is where and how you would measure what is responsible for the differing characteristic sounds of the two speakers. Additionally, Audyssey's EQ filters are predominately focused on the low frequency performance and that is where it can and will make the most appreciable difference.

I'm going to try to get some golden ear in here to A/B as part of a write-up on the NAD M15HD I'm planning on doing. I have a Niles speaker selector on the way and a few different pairs of amps up to the task.
post #3099 of 6023
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Originally Posted by kconroy View Post

Hello All, My friend has the KEF 3005 speaker system. he wants to buy stands for them ,but the kef stands are $230.00 a pair. will any other generic stand work for them . Thanks in advance
Kevin

Look for the weight/$ ratio: you want heavy stands.
post #3100 of 6023
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Originally Posted by subiefast View Post

Yeah, a stand with a platform will work.

BTW, I love the XPA-3 on top of that "low-down-make'n" sub - looks sweet. I had the XPA-3 and I was too hard on it: it's a great amp.
post #3101 of 6023
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Originally Posted by JohnNY-C View Post

I'm going to try to get some golden ear in here to A/B as part of a write-up on the NAD M15HD I'm planning on doing. I have a Niles speaker selector on the way and a few different pairs of amps up to the task.

Well, I'm just saying that you are putting way too much faith in your measuring capabilities. You don't have professional equipment and your environment is far from anechoic.
post #3102 of 6023
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Originally Posted by kconroy View Post

Hello All, My friend has the KEF 3005 speaker system. he wants to buy stands for them ,but the kef stands are $230.00 a pair. will any other generic stand work for them . Thanks in advance
Kevin

I think you are asking specifically about stands which can be used with the eggs' mounting brackets, correct? Yes, there are other generic stands to which the speakers may be able to be adequately affixed. You are going to have to search for them.
post #3103 of 6023
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Originally Posted by JohnNY-C View Post

BTW, I love the XPA-3 on top of that "low-down-make'n" sub - looks sweet. I had the XPA-3 and I was too hard on it: it's a great amp.

It was a larger, and heavier than I thought it was going to be, so it didn't fit in my audio rack. lol. I love it though.
post #3104 of 6023
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Originally Posted by sivadselim View Post

Well, I'm just saying that you are putting way too much faith in your measuring capabilities. You don't have professional equipment and your environment is far from anechoic.

First, I do have professional equipment. I have the Audyssey Installer's kit, the latest Audyssey software on my computer and a pre/pro capable of MultiEQ Pro. Read up on the Installer's kit... Also, the techs at Audyssey bend over backwards to help you achieve professional results.

Second, the fact that my environment is far from anechoic is the feature which makes my write-up unique: I'll be relying heavily on room correction. I believe that we're just reaching the precipice of DSP Power + Software Capability for room correction (I believe the next step, within 5 years, is all of this capability on one IC) and I want to document that achievement.

John
post #3105 of 6023
Hey guys, thanks for the thoughts on the 3005 stands. i am looking for stands that can screw into the bottom of the "egg". I was hoping to find someone who has the 3005 system that found other stands that mount the same way but are much cheaper
Thanks Kevin
post #3106 of 6023
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Originally Posted by kconroy View Post

Hey guys, thanks for the thoughts on the 3005 stands. i am looking for stands that can screw into the bottom of the "egg". I was hoping to find someone who has the 3005 system that found other stands that mount the same way but are much cheaper
Thanks Kevin

The KEF stands are the only ones that work like that.
post #3107 of 6023
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Originally Posted by subiefast View Post

The KEF stands are the only ones that work like that.

You sure about that? Somewhere there has got to be some other stands with some sort of threaded mechanism at the top. Whether the threads match is another issue. Even if there aren't stands with threads atop the posts, it should be possible to rig something to hold those speakers with a similar looking stand.
post #3108 of 6023
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Originally Posted by sivadselim View Post

You sure about that? Somewhere there has got to be some other stands with some sort of threaded mechanism at the top. Whether the threads match is another issue. Even if there aren't stands with threads atop the posts, it should be possible to rig something to hold those speakers with a similar looking stand.

I used to own 3005s. It has some type of proprietary, notched slot where a tube shaped, triangular tipped, piece of metal from the stand is inserted. Then you shoot the bolt through that piece of metal. I'm sure you can make something, but it's going to look jerry rigged. KEF did a good job of making sure you buy their expensive stands. They are nice stands though, but I'm not sure they're worth $200.
post #3109 of 6023
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Originally Posted by subiefast View Post

It has some type of proprietary, notched slot where a tube shaped, triangular tipped, piece of metal from the stand is inserted. Then you shoot the bolt through that piece of metal.

Oh. OK. Maybe not.
post #3110 of 6023
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Originally Posted by subiefast View Post

I don't have any measurements. I just did Audyssey Multi, and an SPL meter... none of that fancy equipment like you.

I really need to figure what's up with my center channel. Dialogue can be harder to hear than it should be, and sometimes the receiver is setting the crossover via audyssey at 120Hz. I'm guessing it's the location of the center, since when I had IQ5s for mains they were set at 80Hz or so.


Did you try throwing Watts at the problem? Send 400+ to that center and see what happens...
post #3111 of 6023
How do I do that?
post #3112 of 6023
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Originally Posted by subiefast View Post

How do I do that?

Big ass used amp that's either mono (expensive) or stereo-bridgeable... I probably have one that fits the bill PM me if you want to borrow it for the cost of shipping.
post #3113 of 6023
I wonder if I can run an rca splitter from the center channel pre-out to my xpa-3 to feed it the power of two amp channels instead of one.
post #3114 of 6023
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Originally Posted by subiefast View Post

I wonder if I can run an rca splitter from the center channel pre-out to my xpa-3 to feed it the power of two amp channels instead of one.

You could, but don't bypass the KEF's internal crossover network. The XPA-3 would be beastly for bi-amping. I think you can remove the straps and just hook up, right? No outboard crossover necessary...
post #3115 of 6023
Yeah, I wasn't going to defeat the crossovers. Just do some passive bi-amping, like an AV receiver does.
post #3116 of 6023
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Originally Posted by subiefast View Post

Yeah, I wasn't going to defeat the crossovers. Just do some passive bi-amping, like an AV receiver does.

Try that because I got a better response curve when I turned up the gain on my McIntosh Mc2105 + iQs and re-ran Audyssey.
post #3117 of 6023
I have a pair of KEF Reference 104.2s, a 200 C, and four Reference 102/2s. All the KEFs are crossed at 80 Hz to a Velodyne HGS-15. Sources are a Sony DVP-S9000ES with video processing turned off for CDs and SACDs, a PS3-80 for DVDs and BDs, and a DirecTV HD-DVR. Video goes via HDMI through a DVDO Edge to my Sony VVPL-50 Pearl in native 1080p. Audio goes through a Proceed PAV/PDSD pre/pro to Proceed Amp 2 and Amp 3, and through a Velodyne SMS-1 sub manager to the sub. Except for the CD/SACD link, all audio is balanced. (When I replace the 9000ES with a SCD-XA5400ES, all will be balanced.)

For stereo, the system generates a well defined 3-dimensional soundstage; 5.1 surround is quite convincing -- the first time I played Master and Commander, I involuntarily ducked as the canon balls crashed through the hull. The 104.2s and HGS-15 merge seamlessly.

I've heard a lot of high-end systems, but I've yet to hear speakers that have made me want to write a check to replace 104.2s.

db
post #3118 of 6023
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Originally Posted by dbphd View Post

I have a pair of KEF Reference 104.2s, a 200 C, and four Reference 102/2s. All the KEFs are crossed at 80 Hz to a Velodyne HGS-15. Sources are a Sony DVP-S9000ES with video processing turned off for CDs and SACDs, a PS3-80 for DVDs and BDs, and a DirecTV HD-DVR. Video goes via HDMI through a DVDO Edge to my Sony VVPL-50 Pearl in native 1080p. Audio goes through a Proceed PAV/PDSD pre/pro to Proceed Amp 2 and Amp 3, and through a Velodyne SMS-1 sub manager to the sub. Except for the CD/SACD link, all audio is balanced. (When I replace the 9000ES with a SCD-XA5400ES, all will be balanced.)

For stereo, the system generates a well defined 3-dimensional soundstage; 5.1 surround is quite convincing -- the first time I played Master and Commander, I involuntarily ducked as the canon balls crashed through the hull. The 104.2s and HGS-15 merge seamlessly.

I've heard a lot of high-end systems, but I've yet to hear speakers that have made me want to write a check to replace 104.2s.

db

That's an awesome system: nice components all-around! I was just lauding the DVDO Edge a minute ago: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17678504#post17678504
post #3119 of 6023
Man, the Reference 4's I purchased got damaged-in-transit...

Moment of silence: please.
post #3120 of 6023
Heads up on 2 KEF deals for people in Canada.

System 1 $999Cdn
2 - IQ7 Towers
2 - IQ3 Bookshelf's
1 - IQ6 Center

System 2 $699Cdn
2 - IQ5 Towers
2 - IQ1 Bookshelf's
1 - IQ2 Center

If you're interested PM for retailer if you can't find it.
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